Bitcoin Forum

Other => Beginners & Help => Topic started by: andyBernard on February 25, 2014, 07:27:43 PM



Title: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: andyBernard on February 25, 2014, 07:27:43 PM
it seems like the great depression with banks?


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Alley on February 25, 2014, 07:32:41 PM
Whats mt goth?


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: SebastianJu on February 25, 2014, 07:34:13 PM
Would you sell all your bitcoins now? If not then there is no reason to fear a real crash.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: ISAWHIM on February 25, 2014, 07:35:57 PM
Whats mt goth?

It's the new band... You have not heard of them... They are like the Beatles, but more depressing...

Banks are the depression. We are the ones in the hole. (Play on words, both ways. I swing like that.)


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Starscream on February 25, 2014, 07:36:10 PM
Whats mt goth?

http://www.hugheshelpdesk.com/photo_gallery/images/P6180003.JPG

Gothic Mountain, elevation 12,631 ft (3,850 m), is a summit in the Elk Mountains of western Colorado. The mountain is north of Crested Butte in Gunnison County.

Gothic Mountain takes its name from pinnacles said to resemble Gothic architecture.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Meuh6879 on February 25, 2014, 07:37:31 PM
bitcoin is not mtgox.





why all noobs is here !?!

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Surprise+attack.+snuggle+snuggle_dd7843_4571681.gif


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: ISAWHIM on February 25, 2014, 07:37:47 PM
That's not a mountain... that's the BTC/USD charts.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: max. on February 25, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
In no way bitcoin is dead with this.

What is dead for me are exchange companies that they always will try to make a lot of money even if their customers loose everything.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: AnnInter on February 25, 2014, 08:01:52 PM
I really hope it is not dead now, i am getting in this only now.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: ChuckBuck on February 25, 2014, 08:01:57 PM
To all noobs reading, Mt Gox is not Bitcoin and vice versa.  

Mt. Gox just happened to be the first online exchange dealing with Bitcoin, but for the last couple of years have proven to be an incompetent business run by a greedy greedy man.  Hacked wallets, impossible to withdraw money, prices way out of range, poor customer support and service,, terrible software and wallet implementation.

Mt. Gox =\= Bitcoin and has been for awhile.  When thinking of real, solvent exchanges please refer to Bitstamp, BTC-E, Kraken, etc, but do not consider Mt. Gox a real one anymore.

Mt. Gox shutdown and ouster of Mark Karpeles can only be a good thing for Bitcoin and the community.



Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: CtrlAltDefeated on February 25, 2014, 08:06:47 PM
Hope its not dead I've got a few goxcoins :P


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: croato on February 25, 2014, 08:10:50 PM
Bitcoin will survive for sure, no worry mates. There was few incidents lately but all of them just show strenght of Bitcoin network.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: hilariousandco on February 25, 2014, 08:11:42 PM
I really hope it is not dead now, i am getting in this only now.

It isn't. Don't listen to FUDsters. Bitcoin is bigger than one shoddy exchange and it always bounces back.

Whats mt goth?

Haha, I did laugh at that.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: manoamano on February 25, 2014, 08:15:00 PM
Whats mt goth?

Mt.gox I guess :)


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: willowfoot on February 25, 2014, 09:00:09 PM
yes all the bitscoins have died & Mr. Goth has run away to some unknown mountain hideout!


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Kiki112 on February 25, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
how much of the same posts will we have going on and on with the same question?


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: hilariousandco on February 25, 2014, 10:01:53 PM
how much of the same posts will we have going on and on with the same question?

How many posts have you seen about mt goth today?  :P


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Mr.Bitty on February 25, 2014, 10:04:56 PM
https://i.imgur.com/73snBNd.png

No Im still here and wont let Evil Gox destroy me.  My Guardian Shibee Saved us.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on February 25, 2014, 10:21:34 PM

nice pic  :D


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Kiki112 on February 25, 2014, 10:41:36 PM
how much of the same posts will we have going on and on with the same question?

How many posts have you seen about mt goth today?  :P

hahah, I didn't notice that :D

http://global3.memecdn.com/grammar-nazis-start-crying-when-they-see-your-posts_o_334445.gif


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: SifuPhil on February 26, 2014, 12:26:45 AM
how much of the same posts will we have going on and on with the same question?

Well, I get the feeling if you didn't hang out in the Beginner's section you wouldn't see too much of it.

We're here because we're trying to learn, and when I came in I didn't see any gated community.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: raspcoin on February 26, 2014, 01:36:02 AM
Is Bitscoin another altcoin? I must admit that the name has some potential.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: blgussiaas@gmail.com on February 26, 2014, 02:38:49 AM
Does anyone know what the exact security loop hole it was that brought these guys down, was it a Finney attack of some kind?  I thought it was something to do with people making it look like they were deposits on the block chain but they weren't actually getting deposited.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: cz_miner on February 26, 2014, 02:21:08 PM
Does anyone know what the exact security loop hole it was that brought these guys down, was it a Finney attack of some kind?  I thought it was something to do with people making it look like they were deposits on the block chain but they weren't actually getting deposited.

I think that security issue was just a bad excuse for the company. They claimed that users manually requested double spending, but anyone, who had experience with mtgox's support knows that it takes more then a week for them to get back with an answer to any question. I can not imagine they loose that much on this security flow. Something was wrong with a company for a long time, they just passed the point of no return and closed the service. Its a pity people lost so much fiat and coins with gox.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: hilariousandco on February 26, 2014, 02:30:27 PM
Is Bitscoin another altcoin? I must admit that the name has some potential.

Mt. Goth only deals in Bitscoin. They're supposedly adding Litscoin soon though  ;D.

Does anyone know what the exact security loop hole it was that brought these guys down, was it a Finney attack of some kind?  I thought it was something to do with people making it look like they were deposits on the block chain but they weren't actually getting deposited.

I think that security issue was just a bad excuse for the company. They claimed that users manually requested double spending, but anyone, who had experience with mtgox's support knows that it takes more then a week for them to get back with an answer to any question. I can not imagine they loose that much on this security flow. Something was wrong with a company for a long time, they just passed the point of no return and closed the service. Its a pity people lost so much fiat and coins with gox.


Yup, it was just their pure incompetence and shoddily run business.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Kiki112 on February 26, 2014, 08:04:45 PM
Is Bitscoin another altcoin? I must admit that the name has some potential.

haha
that is very true :D

when someone posts, selling  my bitscoins for 200$ he would earn a lot :D


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: moriartypants on February 26, 2014, 08:19:23 PM
This thread made my day.

It sounds like what my mom would ask after hearing about on the local news.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: MicroCC on February 27, 2014, 04:09:05 AM
prices are trending down. every one says its rising we're going to the moon but every week theres a new floor that's lower then the ;ast. This is how the floors look from January to now.... $800...700....650....600....560...next week or two it will be 470...400... and on and on. Seems to me like whales are slowly exiting this crypto thing


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: moriartypants on February 27, 2014, 02:01:25 PM
This has been a persistent threat to bitcoin speculation.   

If you have 10000 bitcoin you got four years ago, why wait ? cash out now and live large.  No reason to hope for $10000 bitcoin.
If bitcoin can survive the fallout from Gox folding (and I think it can) this is only good for newcomers if after the whales are exhausted then bitcoin will bounce back. 


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: SebastianJu on February 27, 2014, 08:36:50 PM
The whales for sure wont cash out because they most probably are in bitcoin since a couple years already. Because of that they arent in fear because its quite normal and happened often that bitcoin crashed. Whales dont lose trust in bitcoins because of such thing for sure.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Kiki112 on February 27, 2014, 08:58:02 PM
time = experience
experience = trust
trust = no sale on crash

so yes, they will wait for a rise to sell if they really want to sell..

bitcoin is a very volatile currency and it has plenty of ups and downs, only newer members might panic and sell their coins now..

I mean, what's the point?

The fall stopped, bitcoin is stable again, now we can only wait for an up..

the worst is behind us :)


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: lemfuture on February 27, 2014, 08:59:30 PM
it seems like the great depression with banks?
yes give your bitcoins to me


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Chemistry1988 on March 01, 2014, 08:08:43 AM

lol


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Biomech on March 01, 2014, 09:59:43 AM
Does anyone know what the exact security loop hole it was that brought these guys down, was it a Finney attack of some kind?  I thought it was something to do with people making it look like they were deposits on the block chain but they weren't actually getting deposited.

Nah, it's a very old exploit. Dates back at least to the bronze age.

Sticky Fingers.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: tanzislam on March 01, 2014, 10:11:45 AM
This Mt.Gox fiasco is actually turning out in my favour. There are several escrow-based Bitcoin exchange sites (e.g. BitBargain, Localbitcoins, etc.) where many sellers set their asking prices based on the Mt.Gox exchange rate --- which has plummeted and has made it easy for me to buy Bitcoins at these places.

Obviously Mt.Gox-independent exchanges like BTC-e and BitStamp still have high and stable selling prices.

Arbitrage!


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: vnvizow on March 01, 2014, 10:31:08 AM
Just because an exchange is shutdown doesn't mean the currency is, have you ever see a dollar exchange center shutdown and dollar loses all it's value? no


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Biomech on March 01, 2014, 10:41:03 AM
Just because an exchange is shutdown doesn't mean the currency is, have you ever see a dollar exchange center shutdown and dollar loses all it's value? no
well... in 1913 a dollar was worth 1/20th of an ounce of pure gold. Then they opened up this joint called the Federal Reserve. Now a dollar is worth less than the paper it's printed on...

However, bitcoin isn't a centrally controlled entity. If the coins are REALLY locked up, then the coin just got more valuable, as there will only ever be 21 million of 'em. Take away 800 grand from that total, and scarcity just got better. OTOH, if they were stolen, then they are still potentially in circulation. Sucks for Gox, damn their incompetent hides, and anyone who didn't read "mene, mene, tekel, uparshin" on their front page two years ago, but it's probably a net gain for Bitcoin. In either case. They have been a festering pustule on bitcoin for quite some time. I hear tales that they were once something great, but those days were past before I got involved a couple years back.

Me, I'm sittin' back and watching. Every time in the past when the price of bitcoin dropped like this, it came back to even greater heights. Now that Gox has declared bankruptcy, I consider the matter largely closed. Those who held coins in Gox got screwed. Sucks, but it is what it is. Some will possibly recover some damages in the disbursement of the court, but the community can now move on. I'm thinking the next peak will be 1500 USD, and it will be soon. Then it'll drop back to around a grand.

I ain't got no crystal ball, and that's just my opinion, but it is based on the observed pattern of bitcoin over the last approximately two years.


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: vnvizow on March 01, 2014, 10:47:15 AM
Just because an exchange is shutdown doesn't mean the currency is, have you ever see a dollar exchange center shutdown and dollar loses all it's value? no
well... in 1913 a dollar was worth 1/20th of an ounce of pure gold. Then they opened up this joint called the Federal Reserve. Now a dollar is worth less than the paper it's printed on...

However, bitcoin isn't a centrally controlled entity. If the coins are REALLY locked up, then the coin just got more valuable, as there will only ever be 21 million of 'em. Take away 800 grand from that total, and scarcity just got better. OTOH, if they were stolen, then they are still potentially in circulation. Sucks for Gox, damn their incompetent hides, and anyone who didn't read "mene, mene, tekel, uparshin" on their front page two years ago, but it's probably a net gain for Bitcoin. In either case. They have been a festering pustule on bitcoin for quite some time. I hear tales that they were once something great, but those days were past before I got involved a couple years back.

Me, I'm sittin' back and watching. Every time in the past when the price of bitcoin dropped like this, it came back to even greater heights. Now that Gox has declared bankruptcy, I consider the matter largely closed. Those who held coins in Gox got screwed. Sucks, but it is what it is. Some will possibly recover some damages in the disbursement of the court, but the community can now move on. I'm thinking the next peak will be 1500 USD, and it will be soon. Then it'll drop back to around a grand.

I ain't got no crystal ball, and that's just my opinion, but it is based on the observed pattern of bitcoin over the last approximately two years.
Agreed, but next peak will definitely be higher that $2000


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Biomech on March 01, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
Just because an exchange is shutdown doesn't mean the currency is, have you ever see a dollar exchange center shutdown and dollar loses all it's value? no
well... in 1913 a dollar was worth 1/20th of an ounce of pure gold. Then they opened up this joint called the Federal Reserve. Now a dollar is worth less than the paper it's printed on...

However, bitcoin isn't a centrally controlled entity. If the coins are REALLY locked up, then the coin just got more valuable, as there will only ever be 21 million of 'em. Take away 800 grand from that total, and scarcity just got better. OTOH, if they were stolen, then they are still potentially in circulation. Sucks for Gox, damn their incompetent hides, and anyone who didn't read "mene, mene, tekel, uparshin" on their front page two years ago, but it's probably a net gain for Bitcoin. In either case. They have been a festering pustule on bitcoin for quite some time. I hear tales that they were once something great, but those days were past before I got involved a couple years back.

Me, I'm sittin' back and watching. Every time in the past when the price of bitcoin dropped like this, it came back to even greater heights. Now that Gox has declared bankruptcy, I consider the matter largely closed. Those who held coins in Gox got screwed. Sucks, but it is what it is. Some will possibly recover some damages in the disbursement of the court, but the community can now move on. I'm thinking the next peak will be 1500 USD, and it will be soon. Then it'll drop back to around a grand.

I ain't got no crystal ball, and that's just my opinion, but it is based on the observed pattern of bitcoin over the last approximately two years.
Agreed, but next peak will definitely be higher that $2000
I sincerely hope you're right :D But for the sake of purchasing some miners, I hope it waits a couple weeks...


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Kiki112 on March 01, 2014, 10:59:00 AM
Just because an exchange is shutdown doesn't mean the currency is, have you ever see a dollar exchange center shutdown and dollar loses all it's value? no
well... in 1913 a dollar was worth 1/20th of an ounce of pure gold. Then they opened up this joint called the Federal Reserve. Now a dollar is worth less than the paper it's printed on...

However, bitcoin isn't a centrally controlled entity. If the coins are REALLY locked up, then the coin just got more valuable, as there will only ever be 21 million of 'em. Take away 800 grand from that total, and scarcity just got better. OTOH, if they were stolen, then they are still potentially in circulation. Sucks for Gox, damn their incompetent hides, and anyone who didn't read "mene, mene, tekel, uparshin" on their front page two years ago, but it's probably a net gain for Bitcoin. In either case. They have been a festering pustule on bitcoin for quite some time. I hear tales that they were once something great, but those days were past before I got involved a couple years back.

Me, I'm sittin' back and watching. Every time in the past when the price of bitcoin dropped like this, it came back to even greater heights. Now that Gox has declared bankruptcy, I consider the matter largely closed. Those who held coins in Gox got screwed. Sucks, but it is what it is. Some will possibly recover some damages in the disbursement of the court, but the community can now move on. I'm thinking the next peak will be 1500 USD, and it will be soon. Then it'll drop back to around a grand.

I ain't got no crystal ball, and that's just my opinion, but it is based on the observed pattern of bitcoin over the last approximately two years.
Agreed, but next peak will definitely be higher that $2000
I sincerely hope you're right :D But for the sake of purchasing some miners, I hope it waits a couple weeks...

don't worry, the next up is coming in a few months not weeks :D
it's good as long as it's coming :)


Title: Re: Is Bitscoins dead with this Mt. Goth Scandal?
Post by: Biomech on March 01, 2014, 11:02:47 AM
Just because an exchange is shutdown doesn't mean the currency is, have you ever see a dollar exchange center shutdown and dollar loses all it's value? no
well... in 1913 a dollar was worth 1/20th of an ounce of pure gold. Then they opened up this joint called the Federal Reserve. Now a dollar is worth less than the paper it's printed on...

However, bitcoin isn't a centrally controlled entity. If the coins are REALLY locked up, then the coin just got more valuable, as there will only ever be 21 million of 'em. Take away 800 grand from that total, and scarcity just got better. OTOH, if they were stolen, then they are still potentially in circulation. Sucks for Gox, damn their incompetent hides, and anyone who didn't read "mene, mene, tekel, uparshin" on their front page two years ago, but it's probably a net gain for Bitcoin. In either case. They have been a festering pustule on bitcoin for quite some time. I hear tales that they were once something great, but those days were past before I got involved a couple years back.

Me, I'm sittin' back and watching. Every time in the past when the price of bitcoin dropped like this, it came back to even greater heights. Now that Gox has declared bankruptcy, I consider the matter largely closed. Those who held coins in Gox got screwed. Sucks, but it is what it is. Some will possibly recover some damages in the disbursement of the court, but the community can now move on. I'm thinking the next peak will be 1500 USD, and it will be soon. Then it'll drop back to around a grand.

I ain't got no crystal ball, and that's just my opinion, but it is based on the observed pattern of bitcoin over the last approximately two years.
Agreed, but next peak will definitely be higher that $2000
I sincerely hope you're right :D But for the sake of purchasing some miners, I hope it waits a couple weeks...

don't worry, the next up is coming in a few months not weeks :D
it's good as long as it's coming :)
Again, I hope you're right. The rise to 1200 was quick, and the fall was sedate, until 6 percent of the supply got goxed. Still, the floor seems to be around 550. Coinbase is at 567 as I type this, and it has been bobbling around that all day. If it can stay there for about two weeks I can get a pair of Ants :D If not, I can probably still get one. That'll put me at about 300 GH/s.