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Is anyone else experiencing this right now?

 ???

yep seems down..

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/glbse.com

Internet confirms.

machine is still alive, web port closed, though:

#> nmap glbse.com
PORT    STATE  SERVICE
22/tcp  open   ssh
80/tcp  closed http
443/tcp closed https

noone in #bitcoin or #glbse reacts to my inquiries

I'd really like to know what's up, got a lot of coins there.

Well, lets give it some time...

I so hope they are not having a mybitcoin moment...  because honestly this is the last thing we need now.

Nice link  8)

still down right now  :(

Didn't they post a few days ago to say that they would be going offline for a couple of days for upgrade work? Or did I dream that?

Someone bumped an old thread from last month where Nefario did say they would be down for a couple of days. I haven't seen a new one, but I definitely could have missed it.

Ah yes, you are right. I couldn't remember who the owner of glbse was (I've never had dealings with glbse). I just checked his posts, and he hasn't been on this forum for a month or so.

So is it up?

Please refer to:

Looks down from there!

Still down. GLBSE has had similar problems in the past, but it has always come back up eventually.

I think this post is getting glanced over.   Not sure if people consider IRC a valid form of communication lol

http://blog.glbse.com/ hasn't been updated
http://twitter.com/#!/GLBSE is running a script

Some people from their contact page, that I honestly wouldn't start worrying about anything unless one of the below people starts worrying

it's back!

down ?

yeah, probably bitcoind borked, nefario away :(

Still down, can't check balance or anything else data wise.

Nope, it just went down recently. Database locked up. Whenever Nefario or ColdHardMetal notices, it'll be fixed.

Working for me now.

:)

The web client is still down for me

+1, still down

Yup...balance isn't updating on glbse.com and can't navigate through the fields :(

From Vladimir's forum

This means he will notice the problem somewhere between now and Nov 14th or so. Hmm....

Also: most of the people that got on my nerves seem to have left ;). I seldomly see "this post is ignored" any more ;)

starting to go through glbse widthdrawl... *twitch*

Whew.. thought it was just me..


Its useless to me now.. :(

oh well





(twitch)

+1

Dont do what i did and deleted my browser cookies which deleted my glbse account at the same time.

The new account I started wont accept the password I used either.

Yes.  Be very careful to backup your keys any time you create a new account.

I had backed it up. It wont accept the backup as valid.

The same issue Im having with my asswords.

Try adding a p

don't worry it is down, it will probably accept them later, I dont think adding the accounts is client side :)


isn't that a worry off your shoulder

Accounts are client side.  The server never sees your private key.  I've exported and imported my keys just fine.  Most likely the password is incorrect.

AH well that sucks :/

yes, thanks nefario!!!

It is still down for me.

Maybe try to log out completely and re-enter the password?

It won't bring me to the login page. It only asks for a PW without a UN.

UN?

This page: https://glbse.com/client/glbse/index.html always loaded for me, even when glbse was "down" (was just the backend).

What do you mean by "login page"?

UN = username. I get a password page. It accepts my password, then it goes to the account management page, but shows no account. All I can do is register, import, export and clear. Maybe my account was hacked?

[edit] It appears I did not understand the procedure regarding backing up the private key. Ah well, I did not have many bitcoin invested. I still do not understand the procedure for recovery even if I had backed up the private key.

It's unlikely your account got hacked. Afaik the password asked is only used locally to en-/de-crypt local storage of keys.

Did you export the account keys/id/... before using the Export feature?

Maybe you deleted the local storage of your browser somehow which contains the keys and ids for the account (don't know exactly in what way this is done). That would be bad if you didn't export them.

Yep, that's what happened.

You need not only the private key, but also the public key (can probably be derived from the private one) and the account id.

If you had these, you could make a new account and paste the keys and id into the form and you'd have access.

In my mind, all this should be explained somewhere, preferrably right on the respective pages. I remember how confused I was when I first started using this. I wasn't even aware the keys were stored in browser somehow and I didn't use the export feature until much later. I stored the private key, though. But that is not enough, you also need the account id.

And here I thought I only needed the username and secure password.

Exactly. Very confusing. Although once I understood how the system worked, I started to like it.

You will be among the very few that will understand it or like it.

I understand and actually love the system and don't think it should change.  If the GLBSE ever grows into something big, there will be brokers.. those broker websites can be all nice and fluffy with a friendly UI, but for the backend / raw glbse client / api, security should be top priority at the expense of convenience.  That being said, aside from the security, the UI does need some major functionality changes.

I love it.  Besides, if someone wanted, they could make a front end site that stores people's accouts for them.  I wouldn't sacrifice my privacy or security to use it, but I could see where others might.

Bitcoin transfers without resorting to the command line client would be nice.

When Nefario gets settled, perhaps he can help me recover the lost account.

Now only if charts.glbse.com would stop saying out of coins.  :P

charts down for everyone else too?

It'd probably help to send some coins to the displayed donation address.

Just to be clear as far as I know, the "out of coins" message is their version of a 500 html error

Ha!  Ok I sent them a coin because I have used the crap out of that, hopefully coin karma makes the http 500 go away.

:P

Am I missing something? Where do you see a 500? The page is completely static, doesn't look like it loads anything via ajax, does it?

Maybe I'm naive, but I seriously assumed this was a way to collect donations.

They said it in a forum post somewhere I beleive..  I  remember seeing it and I guess I wasn't dreaming because avoid3d there said the same thing.. It's like maybe 1 out of every 30 tries you might get the markets page up.. there is some intermittent problem with their webserver or data feed.. i guess.

Nono I was absolutely sure that "out of coins" meant a 5xx error. I was unsure if everyone else knew this

Thanks for telling us.

Maybe he discovered this would increase donations (because people make the same wrong assumption as I made) and now he'll be slow in fixing stuff ;)

Is it down again?

yes.

The repeated outages for the GLBSE are not good.

I would like to get an offering going but this has been happening more frequently.  ???

Maybeh updates ?  ;D

Yup, performed a couple trades with JL421 this way.

He gave me an address to send coins to, which he retains for me that I can deposit to at any time.  Once the address receives coins, JL421 then moves the equal amount of shares into my user ID for GLBSE.

This helped because some shareholders were undercutting the IPO price, but I wanted to ensure my BTC went to the company.

I believe this is essentially what Goat is doing, correct me if I'm wrong.

I think I just broke GLBSE. Looks to be down again.

I've been thinking alot about it.... and It really wouldn't be too difficult to have the same security measures.

I'd like to hear the answer to this too.  An exchange with a much more intuitive interface could be made.

I think the effort should be put into a decentralized stock exchange, not another autonomous one.  One where the tickers, issues, portfolios, contracts, etc are all kept in a blockchain type system.  The entry nodes are merely market makers much like the real stock exchange, you could also route your orders through a preferred market maker etc.. Your portfolio, balance, etc is not actually stored on any of the sites, but in the blockchain unlocked only by your private key.  There is obvious logistics issues to work out here, but I think through the use of PKC and the blockchain system, it is all doable.

I really do love the GLBSE, but it obviously needs alot of work, and the centralization is a blatant problem especially given the politics involved.  However, I think the just like cryptocurrency we are in the infancy on this idea and the development of an idea like i stated above is more or less natural progression given what we know about p2p / decentralization and how it has been implemented in the cryptocurrency world.


I would love to get involved in such a project someday and would be willing to throw some resources at it.

Good idea. We should start a thread on that so it can be discussed.

For a decentralized stock exchange, one could consider basing it on Open-Transactions:

https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions

Discussion here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52494.new#new

I'm not sore sure I would be. GLBSE has a good security model. They (he?) just seem to need some help keeping bitcoind up or whatever the issue is.

I'd prefer seeing the GLBSE "managment issues" fixed and someone (or more than one) make a better web interface or improve the existing one (it's not bad, just needs a few improvements in my mind)

GLBSE worked for me about 8 hours ago, but now it's down again. :(

I want to keep supporting the GLBSE, but nefario boycotting this site makes it difficult.

+1

I'd be willing to research(extra security options) and program the website.

I don't think centralization is the problem. the problem lies with a poor business model. It seems their business model is goaled directly at only security. Thats not a bad thing at all - in fact far from it.

But a business can not survive on just security alone.

It needs
constant maintenance,
Easily modifiable code for quick changes,
Q/A team for website and public view of the services onions and frustrations.
and most importantly and easy to use interface that is highly verbose.

I don't know that a new centralized solution is needed/wanted.  If we want a centralized stock exchange, just improved/maintain GLBSE.  I think a decentralized, peer-to-peer solution would be a step in the right direction though.  Just my opinion though.  I too am a software developer, and it would be quite interesting to be involved with either solution.

It's down for me as well.

http://companies.herokuapp.com/ is the glbse site that glbse.com forwards to.  Looks like their DNS is having some issues.

It's down.

I can ping glbse.com, but it won't load in my browser.

Yes. Site loads, but stays at "Refreshing..." when you try to view portfolio.

I would move halve my trading and cash there. The competition - in terms of price, reliability and redundancy of both exchanges - would be great for traders.

GLBSE were great in the beginning but I am becoming less and less convinced they should remain the sole exchange now.
Competition is good for everyone, it gives buyers of services alternatives and drives sellers of services to do better.

"User account does not exist, try a different public_id"

does anyone else get the same error?

Yup, I'm getting the same message.

ok, thank you!

me too

Me three...

WAHHHHHHHHHH  :'(

Its officially viral, me four.

I am back in too. Whatever magic the good Doctor performed, seems to have worked.

REALLY glad to hear a new interface is on the way :D

Down again?

looks like..

Yup, for at least the last five hours for me. I have found shooting a PM to nefario often speeds up the fix, now that he is out in the West.

It's such a repetitive problem...can it not be prevented from occurring in the future ?

If I remember correctly, the problem is from bitcoind exiting/failing and needs to be restarted.  Simple watchdog script would halt this.

+1 mmonit.com/monit

who runs GLBSE?!

.. the page fucks around with me and i have NO CLUE what it should do and what it shouldnt.

Fact: i transfered 9.3 BTC to it but it does not show up. just the ever annoying "Balance: retrieving.." and "refreshing.." but no move at all.

normal?

Unfortunately, this is normal.  The GLBSE could use some stability improvements.  All you can do is wait for it to come back up.

recently, when GLBSE is up, it seems to be very slow for me. hmmm.

the positive side of the fact GLBSE is down so much: I don't panic when it is ;)

Appears the db is down again? I can get in, but BTC balance stuck @ "Retrieving...." and can't retrieve either account or asset info.

Yes, same for me.
And its more than 12 hours I am facing this problem :(

Back up, for now.

Been down for a few hours.

Back up.

Down again...

I get a error that says "Users account does not exist, try a different public_id" and this is making me worried, is anyone else having the same problem?

//DeaDTerra

same here.  it's happened before, i wouldn't worry too much.

Weird, I've never seen that error before personally. I just got the same thing.

I'll email Nefario and let him know he needs to take a look.

Okay thanks I have my key both public and private saved, so if it turns out something has happened I will just email Nefario to prove that I own the account :) Hopefully it's just a little bug that will be fixed soon

What an Adventure GLBSE is!

Glad i'm not the only one with problems then, was worried for a bit there.

various problems happen with different frequency on glbse.

I've grown to accept it for now and refuse to worry.

I know the feeling! as long as my FPGA.contract shares don't vanish I'm happy. (I know how hard them FPGA guys work ;))

DNS issues ? 

Working for me.

good on my end

I see it on and off again. Mostly off (unreachable).

Anyone know why charts.glbse.com has been flaking alot lately?

it's been a while, but it seems glbse is down again ;|

It's getting ridiculous, one of the mining co.s pays divs Friday evening/Sat morning, and the site goes down, comes up, next mining co, down, repeat until Monday maybe Tuesday.

I do hope GLBSE 2.0 has database and bitcoind monitoring - it can't be that difficult to have a script that periodically polls to notice whether either is down and restart them.

But then again maybe the only way is if someone PMs nefario.


marked, (puts away sledgehammer)

I'm sure he has the means to do this himself. Don't know why he doesn't... maybe he did and it's not working fully.

is up.

Wouldn't help - the web server and pages are generally always available. It is the backend (bitcoind and/or database) that seems to fall over.

Because of the nature of the method used to access the accounts it would be difficult to verify using standard monitoring/logging tools. They generally use auth mechanisms that are standard over http or https. It would require a custom plugin that uses the bmc commandline tools to use.

Alternatively you could follow the GLBSE twitter feed and if no trades have occurred in 30 mins/1hour see if it is down. Or even have a dummy account and tradeable item that is sold and bought every couple of minutes, which isn't visible to general users.


marked

unless nefario fixes 0 volume trades you can test by simply selling anything for .01 and pollute a bit the twitter stream and that's asset trade history

could just be a private twitter stream, alternatively buying and selling a 1 share asset.

marked

I got your point of having a dedicated QA asset that could just be 'not public' and use that for trading / testing of glbse.
i want to avoid that because once we have play assets, we can also have play money within glbse and once that money leaks and ends up circulating for real assets, we've invented fractional reserves. the less fake assets the better. fake money should be taboo

Reasonable point.

It could be just a 1 share for an asset value of 1 satoshi. (0.00000001BTC). It is just something that could be implemented immediately for little work.

Thinking about it a little more it would require an ability to limit trades to certain User IDs as well which I don't know if GLBSE supports?

marked

if we get asset with ask .0000002 and bid .00000001 total 1000 issues we could sell back and forth with any user even w/o additional code.
wait, someone could buy up all the stock and screw the test script ... it could work however if we behave and/or the test script would check if there is open sell order an release ~5 shares each hour for testing ... if we keep talking satoshi valued stock, should be no problem to fund such tests with real bitcoin and follow official rules. just maybe tweak the twitter stream not to publish this asset. anyway it would be probably a bit of working (and maybe twitter QA msgs would be appreciated if it's reasonable amount per day, like only make a trade if there was no activity last 60 minutes; assuming such a script would be run hourly)

er no, that asset issues 1 share only, traded at 1 satoshi. Therefore only one can be sold, and thus bought. No need for any more or for it to be public. It can only be sold/bought by 2 userids.

Actually I remembered you can transfer assets, which I don't think shows on the twitter stream. Do frozen assets show as anything different? and can they be transferred (I haven't seen what if any difference occurs on v1 against 2.0) That should be better all round, without the messing of buying / selling. Two independently running scripts monitoring the two accounts, to transfer and validate alternately. The script should be run at least every minute, 5 minutes at most.

marked

actually transfers work fine, thus if user A can transfer to user B glbse is up
and we don't need the QA sathoshi valued asset and limitations around it
who can and who can't trade it : ) if test would be based on transfer use case

Watching  :P

the most innovative approach to monitor own site's uptime
one more reason to use glbse

Being perfectly honest, this is one of the reasons I'm working on GLBSE 2.0, to get rid of this problem. And on that note, I'm almost ready to put up the latest changes to dev.glbse.com, which has basically just be user input validation.

thumbs up for improvements on that (input validation), is badly needed ;)

while whining over the soon to be gone design of the 1.0 web client I was thinking if the API would be powerful enough to allow custom clients and the reimplementation of the current design (or something of comparably elegant and simple) as I can't get used to the new look & feel. let's see what the dev version brings and post a handful of new bugs found (I know at leas one more dedicated user who's willing to sync and perform coordinated testing once you release something new).

would you mind to indicate & update the version already since software is in this pre-release state? it would help the guerrilla testers to better reference bugs' affect/fix versions and allow better focus on what needs to be retested between the site updates. without release notes it's hard to track versions of what is to be tested. it would also help to know where you version the code and maybe add some lyrics //comments to your code if it's going to be public. not volunteering developing but willing to help with the release mgmt folklore and QA in general.
either as a date/timestamp of the code that you install in glbse or incrementing in old fashioned way 2.01, 2.02 etc.

the uptime checking of glbse 1.0 would not be that difficult. I strongly humbly recommend using it as long as possible. because
1) i like it more ;)
2) it has great record of security (not yet been compromised afaik, surely not only due to the epic downtimes but also because of the quality of the current code, and the use of webkeys -  should be pretty hard to brute force)
3) has only minor defects which do not affect functionality (create buy or sell that is paired immediately and it won't display list of tx that result from that closing; one has them the other not, not sure which one is which. history in web client is limited to 10 entries; the python client can browse full history. some history pages sort newest first, some sort the other way.)

GLBSE's greatest strength, our epic downtime.

We'll I think v1 still has some merit, and I'd like to be able to continue to support it once 2.0 is out, but I simply don't have the resources, my time is stretched already as it is.

What I will do is release GLBSE 1.0 as opensource, then you get to laugh at my code as well as the downtime :P

I'd like to remind you that a day has 24 hours and if you cant finish your tasks during the day, work at night as well
;)

I read this
as 2.0 is closed source, 1.0 is closed source but will be open sourced.

would you also indicate (at least) release date as datum somewhere on the dev.glbse site? for more accurate tracking of bugs and better knowing when new testing is due.

I write this mila at 3:51am :P

Yes you read that right, 1.0 is currently closed sourced but will be made opensource, 2.0 will remain closed. Really 2.0 is nothing special, just a standard webapp(I even try to not use any JavaScript).

1.0 is actually interesting from an application infrastructure and security point of view, it works...securely at least.

As per your request I've added a header at the top with the date that the latest update was made, for all intents and purposes, thats the version number.

So the latest updates are out there, validation has been added to EVERYTHING. Go and try to break it.

Also post bugs here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60489.0).

Nefario.

is down for me
(glbse 1.0 prod)

Sorry, back now.

is down for me (1.0 prod)

Servers been restarted.
crap, this is going to take me a couple of mins, but thanks for the heads up.

is up!
thanks for the fast response. also charts started report data from today.

Ja it was good timing, I thought I'd check the forums before I went out, saw your message....didn't go out.

Nefario, it's really good to see you apparently have a lot more time now to attend to glbse.

I also see you post a lot.

This is nice to see.

charts.glbse.com down again, better part of a week this time i think..

It's not like I've been doing nothing. Some things (dev work) don't always mean I look active, I just go off to a cave and come back after a few days/weeks with something.

On charts.glbse.com, don't recommend people use that for the moment. On glbse.com the link for charts actually points to the twitter feed of trades.

We're making the final push for GLBSE2.0 production, we're so close, just a few things, the goal is to launch on Monday.

It's going to be pep pills all weekend.

Nefario.

Verify excited for updates..! After mondays release(or when ever you release) I won't give GLBSE a hard time any more, hopefully... :P

You've been giving us a hard time?

charts.glbse.com has been giving me a hard time recently - cause it did not work at all :(

Yep, it's not updating anymore.

Until 2.0 is launched, you will need  to see our twitter stream (https://twitter.com/#!/GLBSE) for the latest trades.

To see asks and bids you'll need to log into GLBSE, go to the Asset section and enter the name of the asset you're looking for.

GLBSE2.0 will be out in a few days and this will be rectified.

Nefario.