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Domain Name: lketc.com
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Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.hichina.com
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this looks like a good plan as long as escrow is provided for the purchase.

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I can confirm that after contacting pcfli, I decided to join his hosting plan and http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1FZBjyY878gjqJdg7r2D55uonN48mf3KFJ is my address.

Now I have mining assets on three continents!  If someone in Australia or Africa offer hosting, I may go for that as well. :)

Here is proof that I own the address:

Message:

The address 1FZBjyY878gjqJdg7r2D55uonN48mf3KFJ belongs to sudoku.

Signature:
GzOWUoInHU9jH8YmrgMBLoySZT/TeteUPm4e68VEMlRFIW9a+NaTf+0nzye4TxNlvXL2dMLk0g6U3bZcAFmo3qI=

I am interested in the avalon 210 GH hosted option and I may also be interested in the 1Th option as well. My btc address is



17xLXeeBryKZ3iDBShDBx9HvPtG5GvraN

it seems like that there is already one miner mine for you in this address, please create one blank btc address and post here, so hash rate can be displayed clearly

I want to join this. My btc address :
12WPkySbPnScqF29TSru4fkV27QpJWB5CS

Thanks.

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I'd really like to join this but some kind of escrow would be needed to pull me over the line unfortunately....

Would you be willing to consider escrow? I am sure many others would like to see this offered as a service as well. Because let's be fair, it's really hard to judge if you will deliver just from sitting behind a computer screen and having blind faith you will do so.

It would really take the stress out of making the buying decision and wondering every second whether I was a fool to do so in the first place.

Thanks.

EDIT: Would you be willing to work with a service like this? I have no problem with paying the fees myself.
https://www.escrow.com/services/milestone-escrow.aspx (https://www.escrow.com/services/milestone-escrow.aspx)

All newbs.  Watch out!
These two guys who said they wanted to join never discussed payment to the OP, what address to send it to, how  much, receive or not.  OP just gave them an address to see a miner going right away. 
Both of the joiners are newbs like the OP. 

This is a very questionable deal.  Especially given no response to the call for escrow.

OP offered 2 days of free mining to anyone, that's probably what's going on with those two guys. But I would agree on this being a questionable deal, OP needs to step up with escrow.

If anyone wants free escrow feel comfortable to send me a message.

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I'll try. 1NkKgGzgJg14Bdppf9mr5KoqAFyckzyUVV

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1Ls5FpWRR9AZVQY8arUVdAMrwiXfT2W3eS

I'll bite and see how it goes.

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i think I may be too new a member?

(just positng this to see what I even am)

How are you splitting the group buy? how much is each member putting in?

I donot want to split one unit, you need to buy one miner by yourself, but you can choose what you want to buy, 200G avalon with the price of 650$(mine for you immediately after requirement and one day test provided ), 1T miner with the price of 5300$ right now(only 3 unit are available), and the price will decrease to 4950$ in march 10,

2 days mining, and then I send you $5000 without escrow?


is that the deal?

I would be interested in renting the 1TH power on a weekly basis instead of purchasing and hosting it with you.

Do you think that is possible?

If yes, at what price?

I think you should consider my offer as it will attract more buyers since not everyone can afford $6K

Maybe we can make a deal, as I'm talking it through on skype.

I can break my purchase up with other people....if this is legit!

Well, find out and let us know ;)

interested in this too

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niceone

I would love to replace my Ant farm with Dragon 1T units due to the increased power efficiency (over 2x as efficient), but can't justify paying 50% more for the same amount of hashrate.

When the price of these Dragon 1T units comes down a bit and is closer to Ants I'm in for a few units...

My new address for the miner is 1E8Sv2gdT93Mj63cCYQ3XqwFjhBrhANL6M  Sorry about the other miner mining at the other address. Thanks!

The miner left have several broken chips, so it will not be able to achieve the hash rate of 200G, i have four miners arrive tomorrow and will point one of them mine for you for 24 hours by then, sorry for the delay

Keep an eye on this post, the price of dragon 1 T miner will decrease for sure in future

What is the price right now, looking through your posts/site I find multiple prices and I don't know which is correct right now

The price is 9.524 btc for1 T miner today as i posted in the first topic of this thread, sorry for the misunderstanding, there are some price for pre-order and sell,  and i have wipe them off in this topic now

yep, price -must- get lower to be competive

see: 9,524 wouldbe 7 Ants, shipped in 48hr

even with double power draw, the need for a psu and a 8 port switch
thats still 400GH more or 800€ saved when using server supplies

I'll take a look into it 15wcZB3SF1G85EGgBkgr5AN8VmYy8r4URY can use this address. :D

I would like to try out.
Here is my BTC-address: 16EjAzEFUZWVwqBGZ6VdaTSHkpCPz11AJ8

this is a SCAM be warned newbies and oldies

100 days to Break Even with no change in difficulty. With 35 %-70 % increase in difficulty per month ( Best case and Real case scenario ) , Break Even = Never

Who is gonna buy this miner ?

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why?

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Please mine me some BTC 8)

1G6pni8AoanvQbHs1QfTuU9p5jUv9NQLAp

Thanks!

not available right now, i will switch one miner to your account when available

Is it possible to show pics with your btctalk user name written on paper held up of the mining hosted area as well as the miners? Its pretty standard to have that in the thread. Also I am interested in seeing the avalon miners you are using for this test.

good suggestion, i will do that

I'm waiting on above pics + confirmation of how some details and I will be purchasing 1 miner

If anyone is interested in sharing it somehow PM me,already had 2 pms about it but open to offers.

Hi,

I am interested in 2 of these. I am a Senior Member here. We discussed over PM the possibility of purchasing 2 units, but since you are new to forum, I would like some assurance you actually have the miners in hand, and can ship them this week to NYC, USA. I have a good escrow agent/member here who works for tips, SebastianJu, he is quick to work with.

Here is my BTC address here: 19CRA5EvncT35KFG7vtT7CYJcWCdNaCeGT

If this is legit, I would continue to purchase more to make my Antminer farm more efficient.

Thanks.

So I see the price has been changed today and has delivery for 10 miners in 48 hours! I received the email this am and i thought I would share so we can see some proof and get this guy some credit where it is hopefully due. This is a huge milestone in bitcoin mining!


Email I got was::: Hello every, here is a good news for you
The factory has informed me to adjust the price of dragon 1T miner to 9 btc for hosing and 9.428 btc for shipping,  only 10 unit available and can deliver in 48 hours after payment

bullshit scam thread speaking in chinese then in good american make youre mind up where your from you scam bull shitter

no one credable vouches for you and a pretend sale to another newbie come on for fucks sake people open the eyes

obieonekinobe says fuck this scam be warned and ignore or bee sorryful o great one

Add me on skype:skypepcfli or send me an email:peicaili@gmail.com, i have raised the money to pay the factory and thus i can accept escrow right now.

I am working on the setting of one internet camera , should get it work in one or two days, then you will be able to see your host miners anytime you want

If these are the Dragon 1 TH units, their website lists them now for 19999 Yuan = $3255 USD. Will prices be lowered to the current figure?

--> Again, would you be willing to work out a escrow deal via:
https://www.escrow.com/services/milestone-escrow.aspx (https://www.escrow.com/services/milestone-escrow.aspx)?

Is that something we can talk about? I'll happily pay the fees as well....

I am not familiar with this website, but i do accept escrow from reputable moderator in bitcointalk, please contact me via PM or send a maill to peicaili@gmail.com for detail information

I am more interested in the price of 19999 Yuan approximately = $3264 plus shipping on March 18.  I would be interested in that deal with escrow from a reputable member of this site.

This price is not included the shipment fee, also i need some profit to cover the risk of through custom, Anyway, send me a email to peicaili@gmail.com, i will inform you the newest price at the first time

If anyone is interested, I have provided escrow for a buyer who successfully completed a deal with pcfli and received the miner as promised.

Thanks for the great help in this deal, ogNasty, we cannot complete this deal without your escrow. The honest people like you make the bitcoin much better and  much useful.

Same here. One of the easiest escrow transactions I've handled -- smooth sailing.

Thannks kluge, it is your honest make the btc world better.

5000$,!  The last call for the order of dragon 1T miners delivered in 10 March.
　　
Hello, every one , this is the last call for the order of dragon 1 T miners delivered in 10 March, The price is 5000$ for the miners delivered and 4400 for the miners host.

This batch will arrive in my place in 9 March, and i will send it to you in 10 March.I have done four delivery deal and one host deal by now, and all of them will get 100$ discount in this batch if you make the order,
With the release of money held in the last deal and some financial help from my bank, i can provide 5 deal with escrow.

If you want to buy one or just want to learn more about dragon 1T miner, contact me via PM, email:peicaili@gmail.com or skype: skypepcfli.

I want to join this(DRAGON 1T). My btc address :
1Pp5PEDEZ9sVAknodxoPFcovYnMm6s35zX

if you want to test the 1 T miner, send a email to peicaili@gmail.com or add me on skype:skypepcfli, free test is closed, because most of the people will not send back the btc mined

Looking forward to getting my hands on a Dragon Miner.  Can't wait pcfli.

http://i58.tinypic.com/xpqbe8.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/sgigm0.jpg

150 units of dragon 1T miner are brought into farms and another 400 unit will be added soon.

https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/2314c18bac138ca9a5a82d5b586e97317f2aa11bdbcdca9a1a2976e3b5551e35/analysis/1394356201/


and
https://www.virustotal.com/en/ip-address/218.87.96.160/information/

You've been warned

This seller is scam? Anyone buy?

bobsag3 got a miner from them I think.

Ask him.

i got one too.. but that site is what got me ..

So you ordered one and it was delivered to you and working as it says it is?
So why be suspicious?

ya know .. you would rather i dont  say that site is hosting malware and have someone find out the hard way ?
i could have just said nothing .. .

and i believe he doesnt have anything to do with the site... it may be just where he gets them from.

You should know that most legit Chinese sellers here are actually agents.

But thanks for giving a heads up for the malware  ;)

Not from him directly, but I have 4 on order with escrow thru him.

Fair enough, I just know that you have your hands on these babies  ;D

Are they good?

Worth the investment?

Im happy with the one I got 3 weeks ago, no problems yet.

Thanks for the reply.
Worth looking into  ;)

thanks bitcointalk Let be here these scammers !

Did you even read the notice from the board moderators?

It is not their fault if you cannot make the right decision.
It is your money so it is your responsibility not to allow someone to walk away with it.

Nice guy, I got my miner 2 days ago yet no complaints, all right.

I have no idea what you are talking, i never receive any btc from you, as a matter of fact, spiccioli send me more than 20 btc directly for joining my host plan, and i have let the miner mine for him today as i promise, i have no reason to cheat you here, i paste our completely chat record here, and i have warned you that you maybe cheated by someone else,

 [2014/3/9 4:13:23] fire juan: Hi! me interesed miners
[2014/3/9 5:16:18] *** skypepcfli has shared contact details with fire juan. ***
[2014/3/9 5:21:40] fire juan: Hi
[2014/3/9 5:23:51] skypepcfli: hi
[2014/3/9 5:24:06] skypepcfli: i have seen your eamil and just reply it
[2014/3/9 5:25:42] fire juan: ok I see
[2014/3/9 5:26:16] fire juan: I am firejuan on [Suspicious link removed] with title March Bitcoin. Thanks
[2014/3/9 5:26:33] skypepcfli: ok
[2014/3/9 5:27:54] skypepcfli: sent
[2014/3/9 5:28:26] skypepcfli: you said you have talked to me in skype and pay partial payment
[2014/3/9 5:28:34] skypepcfli: are you cheated by some people
[2014/3/9 5:28:59] skypepcfli: it seems like i just add you as contact this morning
[2014/3/9 5:29:28] fire juan: no this is me
[2014/3/9 5:29:37] fire juan: you confused
[2014/3/9 5:29:53] fire juan: I'm just confused
[2014/3/9 5:37:18] skypepcfli: on what
[2014/3/9 5:38:14] fire juan: I have another seller paid for the part of the miner and mixed it with you
[2014/3/9 5:38:17] fire juan: alright
[2014/3/9 5:43:51] skypepcfli: ok
[2014/3/9 5:43:55] skypepcfli: i understand
[2014/3/9 5:44:45] fire juan: I write to you in the evening and we'll talk to order, now you need to go
[2014/3/9 5:44:47] fire juan: (handshake)
[2014/3/9 5:52:05] skypepcfli: ok
[2014/3/9 5:52:17] skypepcfli: so you want buy two unit from me
[2014/3/9 5:52:20] skypepcfli: am i right
[2014/3/9 5:52:40] skypepcfli: the price now is 5000$ and the miner will send to you before 11 March
[2014/3/9 7:31:15] skypepcfli:  do you want to buy miners today

I will also confirm I have purchased units with escrow, and I already have tracking. He said he would ship monday- not only is he paying me .13 to make up for a small delay, but I will have them tomorrow.

this is fucking scammer !


http://i61.tinypic.com/1zdb3wi.png

WOW that is a lot of miners!!

it is true that my name is peicai Li and from nantong china, and my id No. is 410223198209174051, and the ID number of my car is 苏F82C15, so if anyone want to learn more information about me, i will be very happy to provide.  As for you, helmax,  i have asked escrow.ms, he confirm that it is some one else fake his name just like they fake my name,

I understand your felling of lost money, and i have send 0.1 btc today to you for comfort, i also promise i will send 0.1 btc to you for every deal i make until you get your money back , i also promise you can get 200$ discount for every miner you bought from me. why you still keep yelling to me.

I don't want to judge your decision, but it is clearly a scamer if some one claim that you can buy one 1 T miner at the price of 4 btc today, if it is true, i guess the miners will be sold out in few hours.

That is not his Skype account.

I can confirm this, got on a video call with him a little while ago when we were considering a gb.  His account name is in all lowercase

Edit: This isn't a vouch for pcfli, I'm simply saying the Skype account isn't the one I talked to.  If that PM is real than it does look like a scam.  Always use escrow and PM them on here first ;)

is always same guy!! doesn't matter name on skype is always same guy

also ecscrow.ms fake is him

http://i57.tinypic.com/i5yck8.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/1263cz7.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/30i9rbc.jpg

that is what happened, this guy called fire juan add me as contact in 9-March, i never talked to him before that you can see the auto-sent messenger from skype in the beginning of the chat,   he asked me to send him a PM and i do it as he wish, then i have realized at that time that there is something wrong because he said that he have sent me part of payment but i never see and i have warned him. he explained that it is other seller that he confused.

Firejuan, what is the complaint here?

Scammers should be outed, but can you please show some evidence of a failed transaction.

The 1th are not shipping yet, did you order the 200gh units?
FYI the fourm shows GMT time so while its the 10th where I am, it says 11th already.
I don't see anything yet to found any accusations.

Screen cap of the order confirmed, or blockchiain payment record would be great.

That caused by the different time zone, China are 8 hours ahead the time used in the forum, the local time is 9:55 AM when i post this reply, but it is 1:55 AM as shown in forum

Was going to say this. Pretty normal... skype displays your local time not their time. Same with the forum (although not everyone bothers to set the forum time...)

And looks like I should get my 3 units tomorrow, and I was promised .13btc per day x3 for the delay... will report back.

send our money fucking scammer!!

@firejuan you can post my screenshot if you want burn this scammer

id card and id number car is not same province

Please explain, the screen caps you posted don't say much......
Did you have a confirmed order?
what exactly did you order and when?

Your convo he qutoed 2@5000ea, so your 3.6 btc is confusing. Help me and others figure out if this is legit or not.

wow, well this is bad for business... :-\

I hope everything works out for everyone.

Got my 3 in today, setting up and testing now.

http://imgur.com/YsUbNwY&fmBv6lk&YlHJabS&MBz4YZX&BDj1yKr#0

Has anyone here taken up the hosting package? Is it as expected? Obviously one can't easily do escrow for several months hashing.

I've seen my name on a couple of screenshots and so I need to clarify that:

- I have three units hosted with user pcfli which I've paid in full on march 8th, so if he is a scammer I'm in a worse position than most here.
- Units started hashing March 10th around 10:00 AM GMT+1, so they have been working for a day and a half.

So far my experience with pcfli has been good, units are working and started working the day they had to.

I'd say scammers take a few orders and then disappear, here instead it seems that pcfli has already sent several units abroad and keeps sending them.

Something does not add up.

spiccioli

Bro WTF?????

You signed up on the 19th of Feb and ALL your posts are scam accusations.

Can you elaborate?

Competition  ???

Seriously though, I have no idea whether pcfli is legit or not, but no one really brought up anything substantial against him, except one guy whose wife told him to get a refund ;D

While pcfli could do better explaining his side of the story, I still don't see how shouting in big red letters is helping anyone. Twitter generation can't seem to put together a single coherent sentence.

My question wasn't directed to you juan.
It was at the newbie that just came in shouting in bold red letters that this is a scam.

I do not know what to say to you other than: maybe next time use escrow?
No1 rule. Make sure that your investment is solid.
If you can't do that, get out of the game.
You probably know first hand by now that this is a tough game.

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to put you down or something but once you have sent the money it is gone.
Make sure you know where your BTC is sent.

That is all I am trying to say.

Let's be fair, screenshots are about as easy to fake as anything else on the interwebpipes. Could you please just simply lay out the timeline of events and why you think pcfli is scammer, i.e.

1) who contacted whom first? Wednesday? via Skype? why?
2) there was an exchange of PMs? why? just to prove you and/or him are who you claim you are?
3) then money changed hands? blockchain link? what exactly was promised to be delivered and when?
4) you decided to get a refund, what did pcfli tell you?
5) at what point did you decide pcfli was scamming you? where does his supposedly "fake" skype conversation come in?

I have reviewed all your posts, which are essentially a couple of screenshots repeated over and over again and I still can't make any sense of it, mainly because the sequence of events as you describe them just don't connect. You are also accusing pcfli of posting doctored skype logs, although his seem to be as legit as yours. You also seem to be trolling some other threads with scam accusations, why?

Other supposed victims haven't explained anything at all, and pcfli is not saying much either. By the way Skype names are not case sensitive. That, and the weird "accent" your "character" has in pcfli's screenshot seem to support you case. So if you want this to be taken seriously please spend a few minutes and put together the full story. Thanks!

I fully agree with suchmoon

please firejuan just tell full story from A to Z
that exactly where and when first time you contacted with pcfli

and yes skype id not case sensitive.

so just start your new thread on scam section and post all story from start

whom contact first? you ? or pcfli?

you claimed that you was sent pm on forum to pcfli right? and they replied you and confirm you that they same guy as you talking with skype id with capital S? so before pm on forum you was already sent them any BTC?

why you NOT use escrow for deal?

if you used escrow already so that mean you also use faked escrow skype id? mean you so silly to got scammed via NOT one but 2 fake skype ids of scammer? and you only know this after you sent all your BTCs?

please post all transaction ids of BTC sent via blockchain.info links

and please make very clear large screen short of pm message you received from pcfli?

and also not sure how other guy "Helmax" on forum also got scammed? I requested this other guy "Helmax" please come here and write full story too

so everyone can decide if this guy pcfli is scammer or not

but I thing there is some thing wrong with this guy pcfli as how its possible 2 guys lost arround 13 BTCs via same guy pcfli so called fake ids and this guy pcfli still shows its innocent?

most important thing is how first contact start and how your skype id got by some fake scammer id? while firejuan skype id only known to pcfli?
and also Helmax how your skype id got by some scammer?

please post all story so all thing may be clear that what exactly happened??

thanks

hi helmax

I just seen you got scammed by pcfli

I replied as above

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488372.msg5654437#msg5654437

please post full story how and where you contacted with pcfli first time?

and A to Z story so if this guy scammer then must be banned or got red negative ratings to avoid others to got scammed same as you

waiting for you
thanks

my story

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=508790.0

It's still not very clear exactly what happened. How did you get the skype contact?

tell us the whole story in clear steps.

how do you get contacts skypes?

bahh this is guy is scammer
If you want to believe you believe otherwise if not is your problem

i lost my money is big pain already warning
tired...

I don't know, there's lots of different ways, that's why I asked.

I never said I didn't believe you, I just said an ordered structured explaenation of exactly what went on would help.

Clearly you had ecsrow.ms, not escrow.ms as a Skype contact.

How you got that contact is really important in this case.

We would if we had more credible information, but right now you are not doing any favors to yourself or to other potential buyers by refusing to elaborate on your story. It's up to you really, I'm just not sure what you expected from this, other than vent your frustration.

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you are so perfect scammer stupid!

no ? serious you are scammer right but stupid scammer

i am also stupid because not follow the rulles when do this fake bunisses

but you cant clean your shit




https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKLFMt3B.jpg&t=538&c=__ENTp4VYdLGaA

Even if FireJuan were lying (which I don't think is the case here) his story lines up with what scammer says better than what scammer actually says.

FireJuan thinks skype he was talking to was under control by scammer. Scammer verified this by posting about their interactions here.
Scammer states that account was different because of a capital letter. That is complete bullshit, skype does not operate that way. Scammer still owns Skype acct in question.
FireJuan says he/friend sent coin to scammer on address scammer provided. Little weird, but not really pertinent to this analysis.
Scammer says that he didn't get coin, even though he provided address in skype to FireJuan. I can't verify he got it, or that FireJuan sent it, but scammer has already been proven a liar at this point.

TL:DR  FireJuan could be lying or telling the truth about sending coin it really doesn't matter, the scammer would have to be lying at least about the Skype account and possibly about receiving payment already too.

Unless I am missing something, this is what I see.
Edited: to put FireJuan in place of Helmax.

The more I see new accounts posting that this is scam the more I think that it is not.

WTF??????

In the end, bobsag ordered 3 units using escrow and he got them....

To clarify Skype names to those who are not familiar with the service:

What you see in all these screenshots provided by firejuan, helmax etc are NOT skype usernames. What you see are "display" names, such as first/last name, or pseudonym. And these can be duplicated, there could be many users named "John Smith" or "skypepcfli". To see the actual user ID you need to right-click on the display name and choose "View Profile" (that's in the desktop version, not sure about mobile). These user IDs are unique, and case insensitive (AFAIK). I don't believe there were any screenshots posted with the actual Skype user IDs, but there was at least one screenshot with both "Skypepcfli" and "skypepcfli" display names in it, showing the possible duplication: http://imgur.com/3yz1hlx (look at the left side of that image)

So looking at Skype display names can't prove anything. It's is possible if somewhat improbable that someone searched for "skypepcfli", contacted the wrong person, and got scammed. This still doesn't line up with some other statements made earlier in this thread, but until the supposed victims come up with some sort of coherent story that's all we got.

@s4vv4s
You have a newer account than I my friend!
Kinda funny that's your truth gauge but to each his own I suppose, lol.

I guess I should start with...
I am a miner since the awesome avalon boxes.
Kept buying a little hardware here and there to keep making a few bucks.
I was looking for KnC competition since I have some money in them right now, and found this ad for the 1T.
I hate being lied to, BFL, Josh and that whole crew have really made me hate scammers and liars  (same thing in my book) even more than your normal person.

I was going to write up a huge post about all the inconsistencies in the story (both sides) but then realized just one piece of info is actually in contention here.

His own words. 

I suppose in hindsight that this could be a typo, not realizing that it was a capital vs regular, not thinking that this would be a problem etc. 
Per suchmoon that doesn't even matter because it is a display name not an actual skype ID.

@ suchmoon:
Good call, I am not a normal skype user, didn't realize display vs ID.
That screenshot, is of Helmax not of FireJuan, I believe.
If it is Fire's, that is pretty damning evidence of him being in contact with the "real" Pcfli and the "Scammer" Pcfli. Weird he also has Escrow.ms in there (not .ns or ecsrow interestingly enough)
But for this to be the case, and the scammer not be the real pcfli, Fire would have had to sent out 2 messages to two different skypes requesting proof on Bitcointalk.
I guess more info is needed of Fire.

Since I am not that fluent in skype I have a few formatting questions as well.
I noticed in one post here that the dates seem a little loopy.
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.tinypic.com%2Fi5yck8.jpg&t=538&c=tTubmnTyG7qCBA
 (https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.tinypic.com%2Fi5yck8.jpg&t=538&c=tTubmnTyG7qCBA) Is it normal for "yesterdays" conversation to be on the 5th but then having a date of the 9th?

But that screenshot  you posted does show that it was on march 5th (screenshots are not evidence)
https://blockchain.info/address/1LpsXbirDYE6qz1YHfJgU6nKKrqKNJWe9D (https://blockchain.info/address/1LpsXbirDYE6qz1YHfJgU6nKKrqKNJWe9D)
When going through the address he (helmax) posted there is no 4.7 BTC transfer either

These are blockchain addresses pulled from each persons posts here.

real Pcfli addy     1BNwtEPanWJ9VLdiJebtykQJgk3eEZFh52
Scam   Pcfli        1Fyx2kNB4Uov3cDxPSxPoJPZstTLDhYHXc
hellmax addy     1LpsXbirDYE6qz1YHfJgU6nKKrqKNJWe9D
Fire                   1BxfGpHkgKvZWoQHZN1NzagE3hTpjm33LX
Fire2nd             17cg5SSUcqr1f7i2rvEyqrQh49sTfCgSM2

Fire sends coin to Scammer addy.  https://blockchain.info/tx/ed4af3d96e9aa510fa580016ae2cd85d3efb79fb8747c6747d40d8c3a3d6c026 (https://blockchain.info/tx/ed4af3d96e9aa510fa580016ae2cd85d3efb79fb8747c6747d40d8c3a3d6c026)
But hell receives coin from scammer address   https://blockchain.info/tx/a3358ce0af52c760c1f30660f44394067fd1f6409ebb405fa0f4f6f6a6a1b224 (https://blockchain.info/tx/a3358ce0af52c760c1f30660f44394067fd1f6409ebb405fa0f4f6f6a6a1b224)
Can someone 2x check to make sure I didn't screw something up?

The more I dig, the less I think I know.
Nothing is adding up here.

Firejuan: Scammer! got me for 3.6 btc
Helmax: Scammer! Got me for 4.6? btc
Forum: Really? show us details please
Shown many pics of confusion, even in "first" convo firejuan admitted he was confusing two people.

I think so far that from what is shown,
 that pcfli makes deals through escrow and honors them. <- not being disputed

Fire juan and helmax sent money thinking it was pcfli, however no-one has shown a bad deal.
ex, "yeah i'll sell you X for _$/btc, pay here...." then OK ship to___ payment sent on___date and TXid is...."

Show us a bad deal, but so far i see pcfli as innocent and someone has used his ad/name likeness for scamming people.

Show me different.


Read this again, I editied for ease of reading and added puncuation. no words changed.

skypepcfli: you said you have talked to me in skype and pay partial payment, are you cheated by some people?
 it seems like i just add you as contact this morning?


 fire juan: no this is me,  you confused,  I'm just confused

 skypepcfli: on what?

 fire juan: I have another seller paid for the part of the miner and mixed it with you alright?

 skypepcfli: i understand.

 fire juan: I write to you in the evening and we'll talk to order, now you need to go
 fire juan: (handshake)

 skypepcfli: ok
 so you want buy two unit from me?  am i right? the price now is 5000$ and the miner will send to you before 11 March.
2 hours later  do you want to buy miners today?

You have registered an account before me yes.
But you have only posted twice and this is the second time and both at the same thread.
What gives?

Listen, I couldn't care less if you lost money ( I am being honest here) because it is your responsibility to make sure that you don't.
But when you show up here and start accusing people you yourself should be a bit more "legit" let's say.

That being said,
A fool and his money.....

If you lost money, I am sorry but you are stupid and that is why you lost it.
It means you shouldn't have had it in the first place because you DIDN'T RESPECT IT.

Don't get me wrong and don't get started.
It is the hard cold truth.

Yes, that screenshot of "skypepcfli" + "Skypepcfli" was from helmax, sorry, I should have made it clear. Doesn't prove that firejuan contacted two different Skype users, just suggests a possibility.

As for Skype's "Yesterday" screenshot, it seems to be legit. The first line shows options to click on, i.e. show messages from Yesterday, 7 days, etc and the last option is "From Beginning". When you click on "From Beginning" it shows the date of whatever Skype considers the beginning of that message log, and then all messages grouped by day. So in this case it does not mean that "Yesterday" was 2014-03-05. It just means that 2014-03-05 was probably less than 7 days ago (since there is no 7 days or other options to click on) and that Skype is showing messages STARTING from 2014-03-05. Here is an example of a longer conversation history:
http://i.snag.gy/547LW.jpg

Compare to pcfli's version:
http://i.snag.gy/qFQbH.jpg

So it would seem to show that there were no messages between 2014-03-05 and 2014-03-08 and they first shared contact details on 2014-03-09.

I'm still just as confused on him as before, lol.




Yea that weird language bothered me also.
between fire and pcfli the pics they posted have different dates, which also means OG contact dates were edited.
someone edited something, who is the question!
that pcfli makes deals through escrow and honors them. This is the only fact I have seen thus far, lol.



I pasted it here for ya this time!
I guess I should start with...
I am a miner since the awesome avalon boxes.
Kept buying a little hardware here and there to keep making a few bucks.
I was looking for KnC competition since I have some money in them right now, and found this ad for the 1T.
I hate being lied to, BFL, Josh and that whole crew have really made me hate scammers and liars  (same thing in my book) even more than your normal person.

Lost isn't the same as unrealized otherwise I would probably be all up in BFL and that suit, but that is neither here nor there.
Peoples grandparents that lost their savings in the stock market, all the fellow coiners (myself included) that got goxxed , hidden fees on peoples bank accounts, They are all stupid huh?
You have already started and you are already wrong, so I can't get you to either place. :)



Fire Juan where did that BTC address you sent BCT to come from?
I think that would be most helpful to know.



Would message log begin before contact is made?
Is 03/05 signup date or something else maybe?

Apparently it can begin before first contact, and it's not a fixed date, can be different depending on when you look at it and/or what you clicked to get there. Skype is clunky like that. But this at least shows that either a) the screenshots are legit; or b) the screenshots were doctored with an incredible attention to detail  ;)

Still waiting..

free test is closed, because nobody send the btc mined back to me, lost about 0.5 btc, so no free test are provided now

Either way: that’s pretty lame

The S2 is out: https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201403150259438234hgMrx380699

I ordered 1 miner with pcfli. It is now up and hashing on my pool. Happy with that so far.

Antminer S2 is coming, the price is 3899$ and promise to ship before 1 Apr,
Here is the description of AntMiner S2 SPEC:
https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140314135446510cxXNeYAy06E5
* Hash rate: more than 1,000GH/s
* Power consumption: 1,000W from the wall
* Power efficiency: 1Watt/GH/s
* PSU: 1000W produced by Enermax, 80PLUS gold
* 4U Rack
* PSU inside
* Plug and Mining
* Stable and quiet

Now you can see whether the dragon 1T miner shipped in 19 March priced 4100$ is worth to buy, only less than 10 unit is available now

I mean no disrespect but Bitmain is trustworthy.

Do you have the JT miner as well?  I wonder how the two brands compare.  Would love to see a report!

I respect bitmain, they had built their reputation in the last year, but please keep an eye on me and dragon 1T miner, the factory producing dragon 1T is just as reputable as antminer in china

I haven't seen this machine yet, but as i know, dragon 1T sells much better than JT miner in china, let's say, most of the 1T miner you can find in china is dragon 1T, that definitely prove something

Be competitive.
Offer something that Bitmain can't.
Then you might have me as your customer.
Once again I mean no disrespect.

 

bitmain did a great work in the last year, i respect them, they deserve additional price for their reputation.  I will follow them this year and try my best to provide stable miner with competitive price. For now, i can provide two special thing, first: i accept escrow and paypal, second, i provide compensate if the delivery is delayed

bitmain is sold out, so it's moot.

I am back with lee group round 3 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=514758.0

Batch 2 is still open.  But that ships Apr 10.  So far pcfli has the better deal.  Once pcfli has established more trust, his business will boom!

You are the man who i want to thank mostly for your trust and send me more than 10 btc directly even i was a newbie in forum. I have post the hash rate of your hosting miner at the top of my thread as advertisement, it is a proof of my honest.

i never see your btc,  if what you said is ture, it seems like that we are both  fooled by the same scammer, i have notice that two people have send me email from different email address and said it is fire juan, one is  firejuanchen@gmail.com and another firejuan22@hotmail.com and there are two people in my skype contact too named fire juan, but the real skype name is xantrax125rus and live:firejuan22. so the case is that scammer faked both my id and your id and fool us at the same time.   if it is the case, the pm i send to you does loose your security, and responisble partly for your loose.

so post your transaction id to prove that you did lose btc and i will pay you 0.1 btc as compensate right now, and pay you more with my profit in future until you get back 1/2 of your lost.

The compensate plan for fire juan

Several days ago, i was involved in one scam issue against me raised by fire juan, and after overview the whole thing in detail, we find out the scammer faked both i and his skype id, email and fooled us at the same time.

because I send a PM to firejuan following the scammer’s requirement loose his security and thus i am partly responsible for his lost. As a compensate, i set this plan with him.
 
Fire Juan lost 3.61 btc in total in the following two transactions
88a5ca66df3391bf1ed16b0d7f423690464da4657651d88f23f830dde398b463 and 88a5ca66df3391bf1ed16b0d7f423690464da4657651d88f23f830dde398b463

So i will give him 10 coupons and each valued 125$ (total value 1250$ or 2 btc ) and can be used to buy 1T miner from me, but only one coupon can be used for one miner and can not be used with other discount together. After all these 10 coupons are used, i will give him another 20 coupons and each value 50$(total value 1000$ or 1.6 btc) with the same use limit.

This is all the thing i can do to help him out of the pain of lost btc. i have benefit a lot from the honest moderator in forum, i cannot sell even one miner without their help and the people’s trust on me. So i do not want any people lost their faith on btc because of the scammer, the faith is the base of btc world, Hope my little effort will make the btc world better.

Thanks for all people who concern this issue and thanks for all the people who support me in this issue and thanks for the people who trust me and send btc to me directly even know i am involved in the scam issue.

+1, Also I got 3 more of my units yesterday :) This guy has THE fastest shipping I have seen. I get the tracking friday morning my time, packages are at my facility monday at noon.

Thank you, pcfli.  I sincerely apologize for my accusations against you.  I greatly appreciate your generosity,assistance in this issue.  I have removed my negative trust feedback on pcfli.  I also want to apologize to bitcointalk.org staff and forum members for some of my posts over the past week.  I have already begun the process of removing some of those posts and will continue clean up more.  I will post  more on how we can get these coupons sold and get some miners moving!

you are welcome, help people are more meaningful than own several btc.

It's great that you have arrived at a good  resolution. Congrats.

Hai there,

I am planning to buy http://www.lketc.com/goods/show-356.aspx
Is this the same adress where you guys bought the Dragon?

Or else, where did you buy the Dragen 1 TH?

Can you guys show some photos?

Awesome, glad to see you guys worked it out.
I freggin hate scammers and liars.

I have 9 $125 coupons left.
1 coupon = $100
2 coupons = $185
3 coupons = $280

if transferable i would be interested in one.

a little concerned by the skype scamming so can anyone confirm miners successfully delivered to north america or canada, and what sort of import costs?

you can ask the buyer i list in the head of this topic for help, i have delivered more than 20 unit successfully by now.

I am lowering the price of the $125 coupons to $75. That is a $50 savings.

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book one for me.