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Title: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Vaccaria on August 13, 2018, 09:01:36 AM
There's some ICO which announce crowd sale that lasted longer than others. What does it signify?

Following that question, would you consider the duration of the different stages of an ICO sale? (e.g. a long angel round, or a pre-ICO sale that is very short)

Does it make a difference to you?

UPDATE: From the answers so far, many sees it as a case of the ICO team extending the duration of sale. But "extension" is not the only scenario that can happen.

Here are two examples:
1. An ICO ABCD at first announce a sale lasting X days. But when it gets close to the start of the sale, they extend the duration of the sale.
2. An ICO WXYZ announce their sale, and it is a long period (e.g. maybe 1.5 times longer than normal main sale period?)

So if you see these two ICOs, what would you think?


(EDIT: After reading some responses, I edited/updated this post to clarify and present a clearer case.)


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Mohamme on August 13, 2018, 09:05:52 AM
Yes, if sales take too long, as the price of tokens changes, that could make a big difference in the cost to different investors.
So I don't think it's good news that I would avoid investing in these projects.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: hewbrowden on August 13, 2018, 09:11:18 AM
There's some ICO which announce crowd sale that lasted longer than others. What does it signify?

Following that question, would you consider the duration of the different stages of an ICO sale? (e.g. a long angel round, or a pre-ICO sale that is very short)

Does it make a difference to you?
I think that in good ICO projects change the terms of different periods because the creators see that they can not raise a certain amount during this time. And maybe they believe that over time the price will grow even more.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Babyhouse on August 13, 2018, 09:14:43 AM
There's some ICO which announce crowd sale that lasted longer than others. What does it signify?

Following that question, would you consider the duration of the different stages of an ICO sale? (e.g. a long angel round, or a pre-ICO sale that is very short)

Does it make a difference to you?

I think they are making sure to that the number of tokens will be sold with a higher amounts. This could lead more investors to know about their project and also some of it is in line with their road map.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: haryatiposton01 on August 13, 2018, 09:14:53 AM
I like short-term sales, I think long-term sales are a good step but it makes us wait too long, sometimes we don't know what will happen to Crypto, because cryptocurrency is like an ocean, it is very difficult to guess what will happen , I think you should consider this problem well


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: DikkieD on August 13, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
Not a big fan of long duration of ICO's, but I can understand why some chose to extend/postpone or prolong yes. Times are harsh. When they started their adventure, funding would seem the last of their worries. However, times changed, funding is not that easy anymore. Some projects still try and get as much as possible, for this they extend...hoping for better times. Also, it gives them more time to work on their project/product...which by the time things get better, they will pick up more momentum, since they have progressed a lot in those months...


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: dadatosin01 on August 13, 2018, 09:29:36 AM
There's some ICO which announce crowd sale that lasted longer than others. What does it signify?

Following that question, would you consider the duration of the different stages of an ICO sale? (e.g. a long angel round, or a pre-ICO sale that is very short)

Does it make a difference to you?

Some project ICO could take longer time than expected because of the fund they plan to raise during the ICO. It depends on how quick they were able to raise the soft cap and hard cap. As for me, it doesn't matter how long the crowd sales lasted, once am satisfied with everything about the project. I will give them time to raise enough fund for the success of the project.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Qirtov on August 13, 2018, 09:34:52 AM
Too long duration of ICO sounds not interesting for me. If I join its bounty campaign, it will take a long time for waiting the distribution. I also think it is not effective way to attract investors. If the duration of ICO is up to a year, it will spend too much funds and time.   


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: bamb on August 13, 2018, 09:37:37 AM
It is simple and straight, when ICO drags for long time, such ICO has not been able to raise needed fund or the ICO is looking for more fund to compliment what has already been raised!


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: taiwww on August 13, 2018, 09:38:34 AM
There's some ICO which announce crowd sale that lasted longer than others. What does it signify?

Following that question, would you consider the duration of the different stages of an ICO sale? (e.g. a long angel round, or a pre-ICO sale that is very short)

Does it make a difference to you?

I believe such projects are big failures because they were unable to collect the funds quickly due to no marketing strategies or no proper investors base. Any new projects which has ability to raise funds very quickly is the one who is most popular and trustworthy in the market. If such coins are to be invested then they get reached to soft cap by the time of private sale only. This tells us the potential of those projects and how big they are in the real world. Considering most of them are running for very long time means one more thing, people are being ambiguous about ICO investments and there are more than 100's of them coming into the market everyday. So most probably its diluted investment too.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: VogueaNON on August 16, 2018, 04:50:07 AM
A long sale just means that the ICO was not able to raise enough amount that they initially thought they could. That is why, they went for the long sale.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: LateMoveR52 on August 16, 2018, 02:14:16 PM
Too long ICO period means the team is unable to raise fund and people dont like their project because of not having enough potential and a huge chance of scam also.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Vaccaria on August 17, 2018, 03:57:58 AM
Interesting, thanks for all the responses.

From the answers so far, many sees it as a case of the ICO team extending the duration of sale.

I have another scenario though. Let's say two ICOs begin at the same time. But the duration of their sales are different. (Note that in this case, its not extending.)

How would you look at it then?


(I will add this into the original post.)


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: gasparyu on August 17, 2018, 04:58:02 AM
I think it is really simple. When you don't raise the fund you intended to, you extend the sale to get to that mark. Projects that doesn't sale that much and not very popular usually are the ones that extends since they dont reach their softcap with the time they expected to.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Benabod on August 17, 2018, 05:09:20 AM
Major reason why some ICO takes longer sales period than others is because they couldn't raise enough fund without which they won't be able to bring their idea to life as it is in their whitepaper and roadmap so they extend the sale period and could take that as an opportunity to fully develop their products but I don't like ICOs that takes forever to finish token sale, I prefer short term ICOs


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: jessd7 on August 17, 2018, 05:20:55 AM
Long sale periods of ICOs sometimes can get too tedious in a sense, it sometimes loses hype and excitement in the part of investors. However, I guess some ICOs do this so that they can get more investors and get more time to market the platform. Personally, I don't like extended sales of ICOs, you sometimes lose track because of the number of ICOs popping out once in a while.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: askmecrypto on August 17, 2018, 06:22:28 AM
There's some ICO which announce crowd sale that lasted longer than others. What does it signify?

Following that question, would you consider the duration of the different stages of an ICO sale? (e.g. a long angel round, or a pre-ICO sale that is very short)

Does it make a difference to you?

UPDATE: From the answers so far, many sees it as a case of the ICO team extending the duration of sale. But "extension" is not the only scenario that can happen.

Here are two examples:
1. An ICO ABCD at first announce a sale lasting X days. But when it gets close to the start of the sale, they extend the duration of the sale.
2. An ICO WXYZ announce their sale, and it is a long period (e.g. maybe 1.5 times longer than normal main sale period?)

So if you see these two ICOs, what would you think?


(EDIT: After reading some responses, I edited/updated this post to clarify and present a clearer case.)


There could be multiple reasons for extension of an existing defined sale date:

1. Project makers are considering market is not good to have a sale and they may loose potential investors
2. Legal reasons, they are not fully compliant and ready to start the sale and they are waiting for updates from there lawyers.
3. Other internal issue like team management, re-organization, re-structuring.

For the second example:
It is well known fact that there are ICOs which want to raise a big amount of money for there project and they are expecting that the project will take longer period of time then other ICOs to raise the funds they require, so they make the ICO sale for a long period of time.

For both the cases, these are not the factors for considering if the project is good or bad.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: slaman29 on August 17, 2018, 09:35:22 AM
I think it is not so much the duration of the sale period that makes a problem for investors confidence, rather than that when they keep changing or delaying or postponing that affects confidence.

For me, if ABC says they will do 3 months presale, 3 months public sale and etc, I have no problems. But if they say 1 month and then suddenly becomes 5 months, or if they say 1 Jan but delay to 1 Jun, then I have a problem because if they can't even do ICO to schedule, then what about their roadmap?

Even 1 year is okay for me. But not EOS 1 year where there was no cap!


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Outeriesself on August 17, 2018, 10:41:06 AM
it can be a positive side for the project. Taking a long time for the project can result increase of the price of tokens and investors get more profit than expected. Many ICOs take time to gather the proper investments for the project.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: SweetSin on August 17, 2018, 11:23:14 AM
ICOs really need to think about reaching their soft cap now. 2017 was a great year for ICOs and most of the ICOs raised good money. But the situation has changed now and gathering funds is really tough. So, ICOs tend to be longer than before. I don’t think that the time span of raising funds actually affects the potentiality of the project.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: GreotDollyce on August 18, 2018, 12:22:12 PM
I think it is negative impression created over the ICOs as investors think anything can be happened at the extra times. Many fraud ICOs take longer time and steal the money of investors. So I suggest to the ICOs to not take longer time than promised.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: ShiftLocker on August 18, 2018, 05:24:49 PM
Many ICO projects take longer time because they want to raise the full targeted fund and price of the tokens. Many times it has been seen that taking long time has increased the token price and investors were benefitted better.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: cryptocooper57 on August 19, 2018, 08:23:43 AM
Many newbie  felt  interest about  ICO projects to invest and then they invest on them and maximum of them are not benefitted because of lack exprience. So be careful.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: cryptoVinc5599 on August 19, 2018, 11:30:22 AM
I don't really prefer the long duration ICO. projects. The long duration ICO projects pay you after longer duration. The reason maybe because they need more time to raise their funds.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: redrose8226 on August 19, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
It all boils down to how quickly they were able to raise the softcap. Some projects take longer periods of time, while the others take way shorter.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Sissebrahima on August 21, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
I have not participated in Bounty programs yet, but I want to participate in short campaigns, 8-10 weeks. If the Bounty passes for such a period, then the project has a great product and a professional team. If the bounty lasts longer than the initial deadline, I will immediately abandon this project and start looking for new projects. If long periods of ICO sales, then I think they will not pay or very little pay.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: hasmukh_rawal on August 21, 2018, 02:36:20 PM
There's some ICO which announce crowd sale that lasted longer than others. What does it signify?

Following that question, would you consider the duration of the different stages of an ICO sale? (e.g. a long angel round, or a pre-ICO sale that is very short)

Does it make a difference to you?

UPDATE: From the answers so far, many sees it as a case of the ICO team extending the duration of sale. But "extension" is not the only scenario that can happen.

Here are two examples:
1. An ICO ABCD at first announce a sale lasting X days. But when it gets close to the start of the sale, they extend the duration of the sale.
2. An ICO WXYZ announce their sale, and it is a long period (e.g. maybe 1.5 times longer than normal main sale period?)

So if you see these two ICOs, what would you think?


(EDIT: After reading some responses, I edited/updated this post to clarify and present a clearer case.)
In the first case the ICO ABCD might have chances that they have not raised enough amount of money to develop the their project further which is why they had extended the duration of ICO. It may also be that they are not ready with the platform yet which might have lead to the extension of the ICO.
In the second case it might be that the ICO WXYZ have a bigger project to develop which is why they have took enough time to plan and develop the platform and hence this would have made them to plan a longer ICO period than usual.
If we take it as a negative side then in both the cases the chances for the ICO to extend the ICO period just to collect more money from the people and scam them are higher too.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: bolshojkush on August 21, 2018, 02:46:20 PM
The extension of the ICO, says the lack of interest of investors. If there is no interest, then there are no fees. If the ICO collects little money, then who will be interested in this project in the future?? After all, tomorrow there will be better and more powerful projects with their ICO and people will invest in them.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: icalical on August 21, 2018, 02:51:46 PM
There are two possibilities why ICO do a long sale period, first of all, they believe that their token got high demand, and they will provide longer time, so they can get as many investors as they can. This happened to UBEX, they extend their ICO sale, for one month, UBEX does that because they already reach 85% of their hard-cap and they might really reach it if they extend their ICO sale. Other than that, some ICO extends their ICO sale because they do not even reach the soft-cap which is required to continue their project.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: matchi2011 on August 21, 2018, 03:02:15 PM
The extension of the ICO, says the lack of interest of investors. If there is no interest, then there are no fees. If the ICO collects little money, then who will be interested in this project in the future?? After all, tomorrow there will be better and more powerful projects with their ICO and people will invest in them.
Community's participation defines how ico's will proceed, the more investors that will support the project the shorter the ico period will take, developers needs to have enough funding to develop their project they needed to meet the target amount to collect before they can proceed and make the project /system to be more successful, that's why extension is frequently been done by most developers to meet the target capital.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: mrhood on August 22, 2018, 08:55:35 AM
I don't consider that the connection between them is too strong so it is not very significant, icos could be too profitable but the period can be different as well.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: phuong0011 on August 22, 2018, 08:57:46 AM
As for me, it doesn't matter how long the crowd sales lasted, once am satisfied with everything about the project. I will give them time to raise enough fund for the success of the project  :-[ :-[ :-[


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Dianaarrah on August 22, 2018, 08:59:57 AM
I would not recommend on joining this kind of ICO since they are just focusing to earn more profit even though NO developments will be done. They will just use the bounty hunters and the refferal thing to make it popular and making a bounty that has value even thought its not really gonna happen when it listed on a cheap exchange.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Razick on August 25, 2018, 11:34:35 AM
The longer the ICO then it means that the people behind it are just trying to get even more money from it. It is not always good to make yourself a part of such a project as they could be scammers who are just trying to buy time to get as much money as possible before they leave. But in a bear, it could be that the ICO have not hit their target so they are trying to hit it.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: jfederkins on August 28, 2018, 09:03:59 AM
Long sales say about ICO's large amount of cap and there are a lot of time to get it and to involve many investors with different parts of investing sum.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Vaccaria on August 28, 2018, 09:30:27 AM
From the opinions and replies, I see three types of views people have. I picked some of the replies above and share them here. (Note: I chose these replies because they are easier to understand. But the other replies are equally informative and everyone should read through every replies.)

Here are what people think of ICO with long sale periods:
View #1. It is understandable. A long sale period can be something that is necessary for a the project to run smoothly down the line.

There could be multiple reasons for extension of an existing defined sale date:

1. Project makers are considering market is not good to have a sale and they may loose potential investors
2. Legal reasons, they are not fully compliant and ready to start the sale and they are waiting for updates from there lawyers.
3. Other internal issue like team management, re-organization, re-structuring.

For the second example:
It is well known fact that there are ICOs which want to raise a big amount of money for there project and they are expecting that the project will take longer period of time then other ICOs to raise the funds they require, so they make the ICO sale for a long period of time.

For both the cases, these are not the factors for considering if the project is good or bad.

I think it is not so much the duration of the sale period that makes a problem for investors confidence, rather than that when they keep changing or delaying or postponing that affects confidence.

For me, if ABC says they will do 3 months presale, 3 months public sale and etc, I have no problems. But if they say 1 month and then suddenly becomes 5 months, or if they say 1 Jan but delay to 1 Jun, then I have a problem because if they can't even do ICO to schedule, then what about their roadmap?

Even 1 year is okay for me. But not EOS 1 year where there was no cap!

ICOs really need to think about reaching their soft cap now. 2017 was a great year for ICOs and most of the ICOs raised good money. But the situation has changed now and gathering funds is really tough. So, ICOs tend to be longer than before. I don’t think that the time span of raising funds actually affects the potentiality of the project.

View #2. Longer duration of sale makes it less appealing (in terms of profit).

I don't really prefer the long duration ICO. projects. The long duration ICO projects pay you after longer duration. The reason maybe because they need more time to raise their funds.


I have not participated in Bounty programs yet, but I want to participate in short campaigns, 8-10 weeks. If the Bounty passes for such a period, then the project has a great product and a professional team. If the bounty lasts longer than the initial deadline, I will immediately abandon this project and start looking for new projects. If long periods of ICO sales, then I think they will not pay or very little pay.

The extension of the ICO, says the lack of interest of investors. If there is no interest, then there are no fees. If the ICO collects little money, then who will be interested in this project in the future?? After all, tomorrow there will be better and more powerful projects with their ICO and people will invest in them.

View #3. It will seem like a fraud if the duration is too long.

I think it is negative impression created over the ICOs as investors think anything can be happened at the extra times. Many fraud ICOs take longer time and steal the money of investors. So I suggest to the ICOs to not take longer time than promised.

In the first case the ICO ABCD might have chances that they have not raised enough amount of money to develop the their project further which is why they had extended the duration of ICO. It may also be that they are not ready with the platform yet which might have lead to the extension of the ICO.
In the second case it might be that the ICO WXYZ have a bigger project to develop which is why they have took enough time to plan and develop the platform and hence this would have made them to plan a longer ICO period than usual.
If we take it as a negative side then in both the cases the chances for the ICO to extend the ICO period just to collect more money from the people and scam them are higher too.

The longer the ICO then it means that the people behind it are just trying to get even more money from it. It is not always good to make yourself a part of such a project as they could be scammers who are just trying to buy time to get as much money as possible before they leave. But in a bear, it could be that the ICO have not hit their target so they are trying to hit it.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Transformbitz on August 28, 2018, 09:37:50 AM
Actually if they extend the token sale the maximum amount they wanted to achieve wasn't achieve so on investing coins you should have little bit patience. But it doesn't mean it's a scam project but a legit one.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: NUnuasod on August 28, 2018, 09:38:04 AM
Good ICO always reach its hard cap before their sale stage. ICO runs more than 6 months longs sale term is almost scam and they can't meet their sale target.


Title: Re: What does long sale periods say about the ICO?
Post by: Xxmodded on August 28, 2018, 09:38:35 AM
There's some ICO which announce crowd sale that lasted longer than others. What does it signify?

Following that question, would you consider the duration of the different stages of an ICO sale? (e.g. a long angel round, or a pre-ICO sale that is very short)

Does it make a difference to you?

UPDATE: From the answers so far, many sees it as a case of the ICO team extending the duration of sale. But "extension" is not the only scenario that can happen.

Here are two examples:
1. An ICO ABCD at first announce a sale lasting X days. But when it gets close to the start of the sale, they extend the duration of the sale.
2. An ICO WXYZ announce their sale, and it is a long period (e.g. maybe 1.5 times longer than normal main sale period?)

So if you see these two ICOs, what would you think?


(EDIT: After reading some responses, I edited/updated this post to clarify and present a clearer case.)



wiser if you try to read it again and try to understand it. actually this is easy if you try to focus more on each reading, and I think friends here have explained it with different points of view. so the point is, you have to explore every knowledge you can get other than just asking.