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Title: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Sifon on August 21, 2018, 12:12:57 AM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Silent26 on August 21, 2018, 12:32:14 AM
There are two different ways you should do when you've confronted a topic that you didn't know nor related.

First, if you would like to reply on it, make sure its not "off-topic" so in order to give a reply, read the whole discussion first (OP and all replies) and if the discussion didn't not satisfied you then its tome to make some research about the topic. In this method you will be able to catch up on the discussion.

Second one is, if you have confronted a topic you doesn't know, instead of replying "spam post" or "off-topic post", it will be much better if you just ignore the thread :)
No one is forcing you to reply on a thread that you doesn't know what its all about.

Sometimes, some topic/thread does not need your opinions if it's just nonsense.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Vod on August 21, 2018, 12:37:07 AM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

Is there anything wrong with a forum wanting intelligent and thoughtful posts?   :-\


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: HiDevin on August 21, 2018, 01:39:09 AM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

Is there anything wrong with a forum wanting intelligent and thoughtful posts?   :-\

Not really, I think lower ranks just find it hard like Sifon said, to have a normal conversation ( like text message speaking ) while having a useful post at the same time, which is why I don't really say anything on the forums that much, all I do is lurk around and read.


This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

This happens to me all the time, I want to say something on the topic at hand, but I don't want to be seen as just butting into the topic, and/or being informal. For example I would say ( lol maybe if you didn't blah blah. ) < --  starting sentence with lol, didn't end sentence with period, etc. etc.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: darklus123 on August 21, 2018, 03:07:46 AM
Hmm, Personally I  don't reply to topics that I have not understood in the first place. Unless I want to ask question to gain more knowledge about the said topics.  You can still have your thoughts even if you don't fully understood the topic or just leave it as is.

I guess the most important aspect here is that why would you reply to a certain topic that is not clear to you?
Now if that topic interest you then a research is really needed so you can contribute something to that certain discussion.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: BALIK on August 21, 2018, 03:34:02 AM
The answer is no. If there's a question on a forum that I don't know the answer to, then I don't have any right answering it. Unless of course, the thread already has no replies and the OP is in genuine need of help, then I might contribute my Google-fu to assist with finding the answer. However, I wouldn't already commit to posting before I have determined the situation.

I think what you describe is only partially complete, unfortunately. It tends to be most people on this forum commit only half of the two steps you mentioned, they click reply, but they don't even bother to do the research to actually produce a compelling response or even contribute anything of value to the discussion. The typical outcome is they'll regurgitate the crap that somebody else has already said earlier in the thread in order to boost their point count for some signature campaign.



Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: TMAN on August 21, 2018, 06:10:04 AM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

Is there anything wrong with a forum wanting intelligent and thoughtful posts?   :-\

The question should be... what would this place be like without any intelligent or thoughtful posts?



Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 21, 2018, 08:48:24 AM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place.
People who make idiotic threads do often get trolled heavily in Meta. However in Bitcoin Discussion and Economics and sadly Trading Discussion recently, members make repeated comments about the same thing without putting in any effort o write something new or discuss some points on the discussion.

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Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.
Not always. People can be noob at times.

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This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?
Maybe its just you. I pick replies of people in topics which I feel need to be discussed and try to keep the discussion on topic. What I get irritated at is the amount of shitposting by the bottomfeeders in the community. Merit does stop them from ranking up but it does not control their shitpost vomiting habits.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: vlad230 on August 21, 2018, 08:54:49 AM
I think it depends on the people who are on this forum and the time they would like to invest in this activity.

Personally, if I see a thread where I don't really know anything about it and I don't have time to "dig deeper" into the subject I refrain from posting. I think this is basic common sense.

On the other hand, some people just want to increase post count for bounty/signature campaigns or they are simply ignorant.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: cryptofarid10 on August 21, 2018, 09:17:06 AM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?
I think you are Bengali, so this is wrong in English. Post it properly in English. ;D


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: r1s2g3 on August 21, 2018, 06:51:41 PM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

I am happy that you spot this very early as a newbie.


This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

Do not do this until you do not have a talent to explain in a better way, There is high probability that your answer is plagiarized then and you can be banned.  Better to provide the direct source link in these cases.

Reading will help and feel free to ask your question in correct forum boards. Make yourself aware with all the stickied post in the board you are posting and most topic start having duplicate replies after third page (until it is not an active discussion between OP and others) so yo can leave them.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: markdario112616 on August 22, 2018, 09:20:45 AM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

I am happy that you spot this very early as a newbie.

Maybe just maybe, That OP had been in this forum from quite sometime now.

Do not do this until you do not have a talent to explain in a better way, There is high probability that your answer is plagiarized then and you can be banned.  Better to provide the direct source link in these cases.

I don't get where does this plagiarized answer came from. It's somehow a question, on how'd you handle on a such scenario.

This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

There are some topics where I did conduct a research especially when I think that the topic is not fully answered and/or a thought is still missing, though not all topics deserves our response. Sometimes being observant is the best thing to do.




Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Shitcointalk on August 22, 2018, 09:28:39 AM
Seriously ? Shouldn't it go like this:
1/ You read topics that might interest you.
2/ You have something to say, you click on reply, or
3/ You don't have anything to say, you move on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I really have some hard time to understand what we are even talking about here...


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Silent26 on August 22, 2018, 11:11:38 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I really have some hard time to understand what we are even talking about here...
Then you should just did what you have said in your reply.
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3/ You don't have anything to say, you move on.
How can other members will follow what you've said if you can't even do it yourself :)


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Shitcointalk on August 22, 2018, 11:25:39 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I really have some hard time to understand what we are even talking about here...
Then you should just did what you have said in your reply.
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3/ You don't have anything to say, you move on.
How can other members will follow what you've said if you can't even do it yourself :)

Haha ! I deserve that.

My point was: When clicking the reply button, you should already have something to say. Not the way around: clicking and then force yourself to write something (eg. for a bounty) because obviously it won't be either useful or funny.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: NavI_027 on August 22, 2018, 12:38:55 PM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.
Yeah! Not only eradicating the shitposters but also having more intellectual people was a big help to further improve the status of our forum. Anyway, being intellect doesn't mean you should become a genius or a crypto technical expert first; just becoming a decent, obedient, and determined knowledge-seeker is already enough to be qualified here (IMO).

Quality standards should be maintained inside the forum because I'm pretty sure that nobody wants this beloved place of ours be filled with trash-like users, right? :)
This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?
Of course, that's what I always do every time I'm not well knowledged regarding the topic. But when I feel that a little search will not be enough to reply then I refuse to do so because pushing my luck might result to a spam which will be criticized later by the other members. I don't want it to happen.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: jackg on August 22, 2018, 01:12:11 PM
This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

I've kind of done this but you need some sort of vague knowledge on the subject in order to work out the reliable sources that can give you the answer. Sometimes if I look at the technical support boards and someone mentions a BIP I haven't heard of then yes, I'd search it in the process of replying.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Sifon on August 22, 2018, 01:22:30 PM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?
I think you are Bengali, so this is wrong in English. Post it properly in English. ;D

While I'm having a pretty hard time understanding what you remotely mean by this, except there's another English language I'm not familiar with, I did post in English sir. Again, maybe I don't get the joke if it's one.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: HeRetiK on August 22, 2018, 01:34:22 PM
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This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

Not quite. When I'm a bit hazy on the details I'll check google to refresh my memories and recheck whether I remember things correctly. Sometimes this gives me links to provide as further reference. Sometimes it turns out I know jackshit after all, at which point I have a new thread to watch (rather than to post to). It's a win win either way.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Helana on August 22, 2018, 04:38:30 PM


This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

Yes, absolutely. I've been in here for quite a time now, just as a guest, reading the forum, learning and seeking for information. To me was a huge step to make an account and to start posting -in fact, this is my very second post-. Well, why? Because this place is huge, and it has a lot of information and a lot of informed people. I didn't want just to run into it blindly and make others lose their time by reading whatever nonsense came fast to my mind.

But, well, maybe this is just a matter of respect and education. I'm not a child, neither a teenager, so I can just imagine how much time a person can put into a thread to create something useful. So, in order to be respectful, I consider that it is better to remain silent if you just don't have any to add or, if you do have something to say, just to take your time, like the thread' s author did.



Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: r1s2g3 on August 22, 2018, 05:19:08 PM

Do not do this until you do not have a talent to explain in a better way, There is high probability that your answer is plagiarized then and you can be banned.  Better to provide the direct source link in these cases.

I don't get where does this plagiarized answer came from. It's somehow a question, on how'd you handle on a such scenario.


Reading the topic so that you will able to reply in that post (if you are fully ignorant of that subject beforehand) is not a correct approach. Your answer will be heavily influenced by the the site that you have just read. Not being the native speaker your words and sentences might also be influenced.  I am saying just put the source link and do not try to paraphrase the answer or answer something that you are not really confident of.

PS: You do not become expert by just reading something. sometime you need to rethink and churn your thoughts.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: detector on August 22, 2018, 05:52:35 PM
It's almost difficult to find the "best quality" forum ever.
But AFAIK, this forum ever had the most insightful discussion on early year of bct early born.
Maybe you can find some topic on year 2011-2014


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: jackg on August 22, 2018, 06:00:24 PM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?
I think you are Bengali, so this is wrong in English. Post it properly in English. ;D

Makes perfect sense to me.

Not entirely sure waht you're insinuating here but it seems to make sense and I'd probably suggest you @cryptofarid10 could do with improving your understanding of English.

Jet Cash created a forum fittotalk.com/english-talk that you are free to join if you find English challenging and you can post there ans we will add corrections to your post and produce discussion there also (obviously) - just be sure to use the same username as you use here.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on August 22, 2018, 06:07:46 PM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.

This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

Not exactly. If I don’t know enough I usually don’t reply, as others have said. However, you can give your opinion at certain times even if you don’t know a lot about something, but without shitposting, please.

As I can recall, that’s happened to me some specific times, but what is more frequent is that I search for more information about the subject but without replying.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Baofeng on August 22, 2018, 09:14:02 PM
One of my weakness is Economy thread, although its overrun by spammers, you can find a lot of topics to read, you just have to go through the junk because interesting discussions are somewhat buried. And most of time I do some research because debates involves US economy. I'm not a US citizen, so its really hard for me to comment unless I do some digging and churn my opinion and contribute to a healthy conversation.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 23, 2018, 09:13:53 AM
It's almost difficult to find the "best quality" forum ever.
Maybe if people didnt come here with the "Who does not like free money" attitude then the conditions would be better. ::)

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But AFAIK, this forum ever had the most insightful discussion on early year of bct early born.
Maybe you can find some topic on year 2011-2014
But opening those topics again would be necroposting dont you think? Starting new topics of similar things only leads to more spammers. Tough to accept but the best way to prevent it is by reporting all such posts.

One of my weakness is Economy thread, although its overrun by spammers, you can find a lot of topics to read, you just have to go through the junk because interesting discussions are somewhat buried. And most of time I do some research because debates involves US economy. I'm not a US citizen, so its really hard for me to comment unless I do some digging and churn my opinion and contribute to a healthy conversation.
Economics and Bitcoin Discussion are the top few shitposted sections of the forum. Its the lovecave of the spammers where they keep wanking to the same topic in order to get their posts done for a week. I sometimes pick up things and try to explain/point of things. Sometimes few people reply back which are worth discussion but majority is just spam. Forget about Altcoin Discussion. That section is a huge pile of shit.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: vphasitha01 on August 23, 2018, 10:07:11 AM
Fact remains that in order to be of any relevance and of any use to this forum, some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed especially with the current merit system in place. Topics/posts have to be seen to well thought out and meaningful.
I think we all can "use" this forum regardless of our ranks. It's a knowledge hub and like a free encyclopedia for me. Sometimes members misunderstand the word "use", we shouldn't take "use" as an ability to post but reading too. Some level of intelligence and knowledge is needed When it comes to replying or starting a thread and I think its nothing to do with the Merit system. I think we all need to think twice before starting a thread. I have seen that most of the Newbies and Jr. Members (I didn't say that others won't, but the majority is from newbies and Jr. members) are starting threads without using the "search" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=search) function to check wether that topic has been discussed in the forum before or not. It didn't say that we shouldn't start any thread regarding a matter which previously discussed, but some of the facts that discussed previously are true at all times and no need to discuss again and again (eg:- How to add images to a post?, Forum rules, What is activity and merit?...etc).

Merit matters when it comes to ranking up. So members need to put extra effort when starting a thread or giving a reply. Your contribution to the forum appreciated by other members by giving away their sMerits. Those Merits under your username will help other members to scrape the valuable members from the shitposters. So everybody tends to thought twice before starting a thread or reply, isn't that cool? (who didn't like to be ranked up while helping other members and by sharing your knowledge :P)

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This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?
Either way its beneficial for the forum member who looking for answers and the member who do research more about the subject that going to be answered. Both parties get educated due to this introduction of the merit system. Otherwise, what will happen, people, just open threads and giving away answers even they didn't know about that topic at all.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Gembul0705 on August 24, 2018, 01:21:32 AM
This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

Yes, if i have some interest with some topic/threads I must do some research or i just go to search engine when i interest with some topic that can make me get a lot of information or maybe I ask my friend who knows better than me since i am still new at here but before i reply i must have to make sure that my post is not just spamming but can be useful for another member if not i will just read and get some information that i didn't have. And at here i can learn about english too that make me more excited


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: jerick06 on August 24, 2018, 10:58:42 AM


This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

Why would you choose one topic that you didn't know. Ofcourse, the first step you will do is read and learn. Don't push yourself if you don't know a thing because it might be a spam reply or off topic but It is somewhat good to learn by force.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: nngella on August 24, 2018, 02:17:13 PM


This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

Why would you choose one topic that you didn't know. Ofcourse, the first step you will do is read and learn. Don't push yourself if you don't know a thing because it might be a spam reply or off topic but It is somewhat good to learn by force.

I do agree that at first, meddle on the topic that you are quite knowledge.  However, sooner or later, you need to read new topics/things to learn new things.  If you will only read the topics that you know already, (aside from replying your knowledge to help others) what will it profit you ?

It is always wonderful to explore and learn more.  I think the Merit System encourages people to "read/research before you click".  It is a win-win scenario where one benefits by learning something and when that someone shares his/her learning then others will benefit.


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Sifon on August 25, 2018, 12:07:13 AM
Thanks for the replies so far, especially from the veterans, I've really learnt a lot. Hoping to be like y'all some day, but until then, baby steps...


Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Crypto Girl on August 25, 2018, 08:26:18 AM

This makes me wonder, have you been ever confronted with a topic where you click the 'reply' tab and without a clue as to how to what to type in response and how to contribute meaningful, and this forced you to research some more about the subject matter before returning to post a reply?

That maybe happened me before, yeah I'm clueless that time but the topic was very interesting and it caught my eye so what I did was is to research it and find myself hooked and in fact researching doesn't hurt. Honestly, if we dig posts in previous years we'll feel like this should be the one that deserve more replies and that was this forum is all about.

Why would you choose one topic that you didn't know. Ofcourse, the first step you will do is read and learn. Don't push yourself if you don't know a thing because it might be a spam reply or off topic but It is somewhat good to learn by force.

Not knowing the topic doesn't mean you can't research and study it. It shouldn't be a hindrance of learning because surely you'll learn something you didn't expect



Title: Re: The Place of Knowledge in post replies
Post by: Strufmbae on August 25, 2018, 08:55:55 AM
If you search for an additional information to a certain question then you can clearly explain your opinion base to what you read,  not all the time,  everybody knows what can be a suited reply,  but by discussing the the topic and connecting to the title then everybody can adjust, so in order for other to participate, much better to think and search for a while if needed. Take time for better purpose.