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Here is something I have observed as regard ICOs raising funds and why many are trading at below ICO price soon after listing on exchanges. The reason could well be the fact that project teams are making ICO tokens too expensive, almost at same level with what we had at the bullish market.Meanwhile,the market is now 25% of its usually market.
Project teams implement better funds management strategies, avoid wastages and unnecessary  expense and thus have a cheaper ICO, I personally believe that they can reduce their expense by at least 50 percent and thus ask for less, cheaper tokens as such, that way, investors will be better make returns on their investments.

I am quite concerned with the current situation when the token after the ICO sale is complete. Price Tojken /2,/3../10 against the price of ICO. This will make investors not psychologically buy when ICO but wait list exchange and buy cheap. This will cause the ICO project to die.

Some of those who are trading below ICO price are bounty hunters. They just wait for the token to get listed on any exchange and then dump it right away at any price. I don't think serious investors who bought the tokens at ICO price would do the same. Unless they have lost faith in the project all together and want to cut losses.

Icos are not really expensive to my knowledge
I think the most important aspect is the fact that they dump ridiculous once listed on exchange
Imagine buying 1 eth for 30000 tokens

Then after listing on exchange, the 30,000 tokens is worth just 20$
That’s the most ridiculous thing regarding icos

I have seen such before, that is over 95 percent drop in price, I wonder how the investor of such projects will feel, that is not something that will recover easily

The irony is that if there are no ICOs ,there will not be tokens to be listed, in recent times, those who buy at ICOs seem to be those who will lose cash

Well, most of the concern for many projects is how they're going to grow their user, client or investor base. The blockchain industry is definitely an advertising heavy industry, I think that it's quite necessary to have a reasonable marketing budget otherwise client onboarding with be quite difficult. That being said, a lot of these projects are requesting unbelievable soft caps, typically requiring up to $10m to build often relatively simple products.... Very poor money management going on, as VERY few softwares cost $10m to build.

I have to agree; ICOs are too expensive. Projects became too expensive easyly and with the current downswing in the markets it minds loses for investors. My sugerence? Ask to the dev team about their funds management; many times, they include their profit in the ICO prize.

Most of the time good ICO team do the huge funds as a investment and make the payment together in the market well. So I suggest you to have the work goes well with the best ICO if you want to invest.
Henceforth you will not worry about the ICO listed with the big value since it has the growth and price bump soon.

it depends on what ico, you may look on some ico which has good projects and find it cheap
but sometimes expensive one has good profits , i remember an ico before that give us high returns
and change me and my buddy's lives we almost can't afford it but we try to buy few pieces
and turn out to be a good pick, sometimes you need to check first if they have solid projects and
people around them that will be a game changer

Mostly, if the project is good they set an expensive price for their project but after seeing those coin on the exchange the price suddenly drops below the ICO price. So if the ICO are too expensive, better wait for that token on the exchange because the price will surely dump, even if its a good project.

I have been waiting to buy into ICO's in 2018 as well.  It's not like the gold days of 2016.  If you like a project wait for it to ICO, then crash.  Buy in a few weeks after the launch.  I have had great success with this strategy.   

I don't think ICO's are expensive.

I don't think investor who bought an ICOs at a specific price would want to sell at that same price or lower.

The bonuses for private sale, pre-sale, airdrop if any and bounty play a part to the price of the token.

The private/pre sale investors who received bonus during the sale are selling off the bonuses to get their capital back at least.

Also, ICO with good fundamentals would go high and there would be a lot of people waiting to get some on the exchange.

I'd say the timing of the ICO release is the main problem. Releasing an ICO in this Bear market has and will make it almost certain for a lower trading price than the ICO cost. Its easier to hype a non existent coin as an "idea" than selling a coin after the release.

On the contrary, i don't think ICOs are too expensive but rather i see it as the best level to make an investment. Though some tokens might be too expensive to acquire during ICO, but it still present its value low as compared to what it would be after ICO. Most ICOs are scams, no doubt, but you have to invest in the ones that has potentials.

They are expensive, after all, the team behind the project doesn't want you to spend just a few pennies when there is a lot of tokens to give.

I have a problem with ICOs requesting ridiculous amounts in both their softcap and hardcap. Personally believe a project should not be asking for more than between $15,000 - $20,000. They end up making so much for themselves while their tokens stand a huge chance of tanking upon listing on exchange

I've only investing in one ICO in 2018, and they too didn't do well in the exchange. The coins are almost becoming dust in my wallet. Just like you, buying when they tank at the exchange has been renewed strategy and it's working for me

I don't think so.
Have you noticed now more ICOs have token price under 1 cent, and also have huge supply as 1 billion total supply for token now is a common thing.
my assume is those presale and private sale investor dump their token coz they get token under ICO price

ICOs are not expensive in my own experience, some ICOs may be offering you a lot of expenses, however I don't think that all ICOs do this kind of thing, some ICOs are scams and some are definitely reliable, based on my experience last 2017, I invested on 2 ICOs and they didn't let me down, I earned a decent profit and was glad I did not get scammed.

Price of token when ICO is very cheap and the price was going down because low demand in the market, although the team developer set the price when on ICO to lowest price of ETH like 0.00000001 will be not going up if there no demand. The fundamental of the project also will become factor the demand will increase or not.

The price of some ICO is 2-3 times lower than the ICO price is understandable when the whole market is quite gloomy. Deepening of liquidity due to Bitcoin's move is not clear. This is probably the time to hold long

I leave for joining ico project today and focus only on bounty campaign project because I think more better for joining bounty campaign than ico project. I will get free by joining at bounty campaign without have invest at ico and earn free coins.

It is true that the price of a token when exchanged is cheaper than at the time of ico, it could somehow be the case, but there were also many investors who bought the token at ico. maybe it is part of the strategy when investing in ico.

ICOs cannot be termed to be generally expensive considering the fact that all ICOs are not similar in their operations. While others are expensive, some are not. But the problem remains that, most project developers nowadays don't buy back some of these tokens thus leading to a massive dump on the price.

The reason for the price dump is their investors who want to immediately sell their coins after listed on exchanges because they got bonus tokens so they even sell below the market prices so if you knows that it is potential project the the price will increase again so hold until that.

The price of the ICO tokens after listing on exchanges is below the ICO price because there are many bounty hunters dump their token after they received the tokens from bounty, it makes the price fall. After 2-3 months, the price will be back to ICO price IF the project make a new or big update about the project.

They are which is why you see that the money that they are going for are always very high. Once they have better strategies like you said then they would not be using os much but then again, it could be intentional that they are doing that just so that they can have an excuse to try to raise higher amounts of money

I think if they offer an expensive ICO price then the ICO's supply will be lower. It will always be balanced. And with the status now after being listed in exchange, the price is always lower than the ICO price. Because investors and bounty hunters will sell all of them

Yes and this is just becsue a whole lot of new projects are selling their tokens or coins above the actual market value

A lot of ICO  will trade below ico price after listing because they have nothing new to offer to the market

Yes all the new icos are too expensive because most of the team only care about their own purse and this is why at the end of the day the price dip of all this new projects is always huge

When is bear market often more cheap to buy coins after ICO on the exchanges
Even good coin is dip

Well, if ICO is good then it is explainable, development costs a lot. You talk about professionals in the sphere where there really paid top dollar. I found good project, called OSA DC, think that it is a good project to invest in!

Some project teams really ignore advertising soon after they get their tokens listed, and over time, they loose their community as new persons are not joining

Should we say that they are too expensive? Even if their prices are so low, they will still like sell below ICO price after listing, because market dictates price.

Agree. I also invested in this project, there is good team.

Exchange price seem to be cheaper even for the good coins as you said, i guess that is the major reasons projects are finding it difficult to raise cash through ICOs

Yes. I also think than on market like now should be more careful with investments in ICO

Interesting topic! ICOs is indeed expensive and… giving risks too. I have turned my back on ICO long time ago.

I mean the token price is kinda irrelevant, their hard cap/total supply has much higher significance. But I agree with this sentiment, they should take into account the current market conditions and lower their funding goals.

icos are what they are i think that in our worls everything is expensive and we should live with that right now

not all of them are unbearably expensive but some ofnthem are of course i think that the prices will only rise in the future

The price of a token on ICO must be conditioned by something, it isn't just assigned based on the current market realities. The price is formed out of the token functionality.Another factor that affects the price − the uniqueness. The more interesting the project will be and depending on how urgent the problem it intends to solve — the more popularity from investor side will be. The project, which doesn't offer anything new, will simply die out and the price of the token even in 1 Satoshi will hardly save it.

Definately ICOs are too expensive in crypto because when the ICO does not complete and you don't get success till then you can nothing, you have to wait the ICO success and and listed for coin in a market which could you invest and earn profit.

Rather than starting from the cheap price and it doesn't make sense to see there was a lot of icos are putting expensive price for each of coin just like token pay and another ico. they have been putting more than $1 for each token and does it make sense to you? for me that's not. Rise or not depend on the result of their development progress.

I think one of the reasons why ICOs are pretty expensive lately is a direct reaction to the bearish market.
Since there isn't that much volume and ICO investment going on, ICOs are worried they won't get as many investors.
So, to make up the money, they mark up their token.

Yeah, that is a terrible business move that doom the ICO before it even becomes official.
Last year, ICO prices were almost always around one cent to 5 cents.
Rarely, you will see one over that but the supply of coins would be much lower.

Now, it is common to see one dollar coins even at presale prices.
There's a reason why the ICO market has crashed and a lot of it has to do with startups making horrible decisions regarding their fundraising.

But, in the long run, I want the ICO craze to stabalize so a good crash will weed out a lot of the terrible ICOs so in the long run, we win.

what makes ICO expensive is because after listing on the market, the price drops
so investors feel sorry when they invest in certain ICOs
but within the next few weeks there are even cheaper prices

The point here is not the cost of purchasing an ICO but the underline condition of cryptocurrency market. The negative sentiment in the market is affecting everything. People just sell to prevailing sentiments!

indeed fund management is an important thing in an ico, if the developer is not smart in planning, their project will not develop. but the developer must be able to anticipate the price of the token that falls when the token is listed on the exchange, because of the large dump that occurs.

In this bear market ICOs are having a tough time to raise funds for their projects. This is why no sooner it lists on the exchange people exchange it for Bitcoin or Ethereum and then the token price dives down. Many ICOs have paused their token sales due to this reason.

That's not true. ICO is extremely cheap if it succeeds, because when you buy the ICO's price and when it succeeds, its price is x10 or x100, so great is not it. If you think the ICO price is too expensive then you can refer to Buddy's project and consider its ICO price.

I know the price usually matter for an investor but considering if such ICO is a legitimate one and can assure to give good return of investment, then I would say go for it. The bottom line is that you had not invested on a scam ICO where most of the other investor's had been a victim for such scam projects. Nowadays, legit ICO's are hard to find if you never do your thing to make some background check if such ICO has a potential to hit in the crypto market in terms of pre token sale. It would be great that after the token sale, the ICO token will be seen in the exchange sites such as DDEX, IDEX and other great sites like CMC.

This is one of the reasons why I and other investors prefer to buy their token when they hit the exchange, they are 50% much lower than their ICO price, you are going to lose your portfolio, bounty hunters are also dumping their bounty making the price very low and people losing trust on the project.

I think the word you are looking for is not expensive but rarther, overrated or overvalued in comparison to its actual or intrinsict value. Especially that there are some coins out there which are really worthless.

I am agree with you now days every ICO goes down after listing. I also invested in some of ICO but prices goes down dramatically and I stuck and waiting for market recovery.

and in my opinion, ICO prices too high because well where a developer to listing token I think they exist certain price which could be a major early investors opportunities to sell back (but, subject to the holder investor types exist long term) and the timing side there are certain price and lock it up all well enough for investors to sell back over 1 month after the release will be seen at point of token value

But if the communities no support a project, no active users, plan developer in the future and too slow realization I think their project nothing see new an investor

ICO today is not actually expensive its just that the price of bitcoin and ethereum is dumped meaning the lower price of these coins the higher target of some ICOs want to reach. Theyre raising their target because the price is not that good today. Its a good thing because if that investment come along and the prices rises up. Your money will be double up

This is pretty true everything that you have stated, but trust me if you go for altcoins, this shall not happen at all. You just have to be sure that the coins are safe. Go for XRP, EOS, PRG etc.

I think ICO will change soon. Because ICO can not live in this form like now

Guys, do you know for ideal ICO prices
(So it was an extraordinary project outside or very good)

I think the public now smart to choose contribution in ICO. because now more ICO  up with WP, technical, as well as its implementation is bad so the look of the website

Public ICO as a way of collecting money is dead now! Only those projects, which attract large funds and have collected fiat money (USD, EUR, etc), will survive! Today's market may be changed only in a revolutionary way!

Your offer isn't pointless. This approach may be good for some projects, but it won't change the market for the better! The ICO market depends only on expectations, justifications, and promises! The reckoning will be even crueler than everybody thinks!

Ethereum is still one of the best blockchain we have and the ICO did not cost as much as a lot of Blockchain projects will cost this days.
It is a ripoff for projects to be asking for as much $35-50 million on a Blockchain project.. I also heard of ICOs that reduced their hard cap mostly due to complains of how high it is, what this points out is that a lot of projects team and managers who have become greedy and ask for astronomical figures as their hardcap.

Icos maybe or maybe not expensive, depending on the strategy/plan setup for its promoting. A lot  of persons believe that the success of an iCO depends on how much funds the team puts in it, while some have contrary opinions. I think that regardless of what amount you have for your ICO, with proper planning a,d strategies, it would be a success.

I would not say ICO is too expensive right now, compared to few years ago, when ICO is not as popular as now, the majority of ICO cost $1-2 for a single token and the minimum investment is around $300-$800. When ICO funding gaining popularity, and this year there are tons of ICO, I see a lot of very very cheap ICO, some are 0,1$ or even less than that. And the minimum investment also reduced in most of ICO, now with only $100 you can invest, even some ICOs have minimum investment of $50. Moreover they always gives much bonus and special offer.

Yes, I think that they should make the price more reasonable especially this bear market that projects are taking a beating from the bears. I also believe that they can lower expenses but maybe they are just used to knowing how easy it is to conduct an ICO so they don't mind the expenses that much. However not all are practicing this in my little observation.

Maximum Time good ICO team do the huge funds as a investment and make the payment together in the market well. So I suggest you to have the work goes well with the best ICO if you want to invest.ICO with good fundamentals would go high and there would be a lot of people waiting to get some on the exchange