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I think every project done with their ico and listing on exchanges need to remember the holders the last stage price of their ice.
I observed that most investors complain about airdrop and bounty hunters, that they're the ones who dump the price always.
I think when the project team are about to announce the listing of their project on a particular exchange, if on twitter and Telegram they should attach a sentence like "Remember our ico price is $0.5"
I noticed that most airdrop and bounty hunters don't bother to know what the ico price was all they need is making something out of it.
What do you think guys?

Not only that
Obviously bounty hunters never have enough tokens to dump or destabilize the price of a project
Mostly it’s done by investors, the early investors because they buy cheap with huge bonus which makes it convenient for them to dump ridiculously

Do you really think bounty hunters care about what the ICO price was? They know that if they don't sell out quick, some other bounty hunter will come along and sell their tokens for less. This mentality leads to hundreds of bounty hunters dumping their tokens lower than the previous guy. If there isn't enough market demand to soak those tokens up, this lead to the market crashing.

The best way to fix this is to lock bounty payments for 6 months to a year, or release them gradually so there's a consistent flow to exchanges.

I think bounty and airdrop tokens must be distributed 3-4 weeks delayed from the listing on Exchanges and price stabilization to prevent dump of selling airdrop and bounty tokens.

I think this is absurd.What's basically a bounty pool?1-2% or even limited.Of this, 1% more than half of the bounty participants do not sell their tokens at once.It is a fact.Therefore, we can conclude that the participants of the bounty just physically can not reset the price of tokens

It's difficult to control the price once a coin get listed even if there is a ICO price reminder. Some investor might even sell at a little loss if the are in urgent need of their fund or see something better to invest in.
On Airdrops and bounty hunters, it would have been the best idea to lock up the coins/token for a period of time. But remember we can't put a blame on them for price drop cause they constitute a small % of the circulating supply.

This brings us to the team and developers,  some of them get greedy and sell part of their stake. 

With this need to something to do. Indeed, our fault sometimes falls price.

I agree with you buddy to avoid dumping is postpone bounty payment or pay gradually , even though the role of investors also influences the price fluctuations in the market .

Most of the time the listing price is less than the ICO price. I suggest Airdrop and Bounty hunters token should be locked for a period of time to avoid being dumped on investors.

I don't think bounty hunters have power here since the coin that they got is a just small percent from the supply comparing to the coin that the investor bought, usually less than 10 %. Once a coin launched, the team don't have any control to manipulate the price, the Investor has control over their money they can do whatever they want whether to sell or not, early investor usually doing a sell in the beginning.

Its not the bounty hunters who controls the price of the coin rather than those early investors who has a lot of coin to get their ROI. The allocation of bounty pool is usually 2% of the supply.

The price of the ICO only has utility for those who invested that value. This price is usually decided in an arbitrary way. It does not have to be remembered for who wants to invest later as this information is easily found.

So many times it's worth nothing for us. A lot of these guys lack of knowledge about how the ico trade work. Just try to get into the stage that will give you a huge bonus just like privatesell and then you can try to accumulate the price with your bonus and then even if the price only reached the ico price and you can try to dump it directly and that's the only problem.

Do you really think that 2% token that Bounty hunters have can disrupt 98% of the market. What about the projects that experience price gains after the ICO? Do their bounty hunter forget to sell?
It is human tendency to blame other for their shortcomings.

That's good news for whales, They wait for bounty hunters to dump their earned tokens to start their real trades and manipulation :D Most of the ICO tokens go down after the listing, That's not always the bounty hunters trying to dump, Some of them are the investors.
That's only temporary, Yes they can disrupt the market for a few hours maybe.

I don't think that bounty hunter can dump or disturbing the price of tokens or coins. In fact that tokens or coins are commonly distributed after the listing on exchange whereas the price is down when exchange. Let imagine how the minority or small amount tokens can disturb the huge amount of tokens. I think the dump price is not caused of bounty hunters, but it is form the ICO itself or even the investor manipulate the price.

It is not a right way because everyone expecting some profit in our investment so we should alert ourself or we should suggest the listing time period. If they announced the information of exact date and time most of the peoples are sell the token. But we should buying more and more in listing period it will going to moon so we should think positive it will help for the future journey.

ICo price and listing price is something that doesn't tally, most coins always list below ICO price, which puts investors at loss.

It is not right to just put the blame on the bounty hunters because they have very few percentage of the supply token compared to the investors who received a huge bonuses during sales. Bounty just want to get paid because of their effort and hard work to promote the project in which hard work is not free.Therefore they just making the hunters as their excuse which is not fair.

The problem is that investors who fear the price drops too deep so that all tokens are sold as a whole and make prices fall

are you serious? it is about the bounty hunters bro, do you think that investors who put their money in a certain project and in the end they will sell their coins to lose some part of their money? Also you should think that the bounty hunters is not limited to a multiple people it composes many people so once most of the bounty hunters sell their coin the price will drops.

6 months is overkill; 3 months is enough for a project to have its actual vaulation in the market. And I think you're getting a bit one sided here. The bounty pool for most of the projects are far less than the pool for investors. So do you think delaying the distribution will do anything about the dump? I doubt it.

At present, the market is quite different (maybe several times), even yesterday, Moneytoken project was very strong PR on CMC also sold off at lower price than ICO =))

Hi, by mentioning the ICO price of $ 0.5 will it change the state of the bounty and airdrop hunters not to dump? I don't think that will be effective.
it is better for a project to "token buy-back program" guarantee token value is maintained regardless of cryptocurrency market fluctuations or platform performance.

Is a mistake from both investor and bounty hunter, if they don't have the mindset " Get quick buck ASAP " and have the patience to wait they will never dump their tokens/coins...
Unfortunately, there are too many crypto citizens who have the mindset " Get quick buck ASAP " than the crypto holder. That's why when the tokens/coins at beginning of listing on exchanges always get dumped and lower than ICO price...
 :-\

many occur in price does not correspond to the value of the ICO. in fact, it's far from that could be expected. prices fall much even not half of the value of the ICO. This is indeed a lot of unsettling investors because certainly the price they expect dai value investing far from their estimates. the obvious disadvantage of this course and also make investors will probably be exhausted in this case.

Let's take this scenario for an example: An ICO started a campaign and they were able to sell 6 million token of it's ICO. They incur 600 hundred thousand for advertising through bounty hunters. How do one percent of total supply affect the price. I don't think bounty Hunters are to blame for price dump in all cases!

Yes you are right, either the investors dumps at ico or below ico value
They always make profit
And that is an inevitable situation for the crypto space

Let’s see if there will be changes before the incoming bull run

Yes, from the beginning of 2018, almost all altcoins are priced lower after the exchange. I no longer believe in ICO projects, though I have missed out and I have always been waiting for the good price to sell, not knowing when the market invited to recover.

I think some projects simply dump their tokens and lie about team tokens being locked up. Not all bounty hunters dump their tokens, I think the real problem lies with pre-sale investors, who get tokens even possibly at 10% the public sale price.

Thanks for this, I think you get what I meant in the post, no investor will ever want to lose out is gain, it all lies in the hand of the project team to address the bounty hunters the price they should go with, apart from that I don't think there can be correction to the dumping issue.

You are right, but I think the problem is that most of them are not aware what the exact price of the ico looks likes which leads to them dumping at their own convenience time. Don't you think the project team needs to tag the last ico price to the listing News, because we all know every project announced it listing.

This time ico and price listing was too delayed because of the bearish and volatile market, and the business developers were afraid to launch their market due to sudden possiblity of price fall down. That's why listings also took over long time to be listed in the exchange sites.

I think if investors sell some of the bonuses they get then they will never lose money. buy and get an 80% bonus then sell 40% bonus will it make investors lose the money they invest ??? try to think if all investors do that, who makes the dump price ???. investor or bounty hunter who only has a few coins

I don't see airdrop and bounty participants as the cause of falling in price of project below the ICO price after the project been listed on exchanges because most project owners usually give 5-10% of their max. token or coin supply to airdrop and bounty participants. Tell me how would 10% out of total supply causes dump in price?

Most often after placing on the stock exchange the price of the token falls. This can be caused by several reasons, but do not get upset.

I would say that some big investors are the reason why token price drops rapidly once listed in the exchange market. Or shall we those greedy people or cheaters who had taken part in a bounty campaign with multiple accounts which were not detected during the campaign because they usually dump their tokens if it is already available in the market causing it to reduce half the price or more from its ICO price.

The listing price is absolutely irrelevant, since the market itself is just offer and demand. In fact you could list at 5 and there will be no offers, so it will drop instantly.

If bounty hunters/airdrops are going to dump their tokens i think it would not affect the price of such ICO because in the first place bounty allocation is so small and if they sell that at low value then somebody would buy it until it is depleted. Investors/team got the bulk of the supply so they have the capability of changing the price of tokens, that is my thinking.

Well I should say you are right because had been the project team as include the price to their ico to the listing announcement at least 40% of the bounty hunters will stick to the price and want more profit by selling at the price or above the given price, but to be sincere if the amount allocated for bounty hunter is as little as 1% they can still make a downward change to the price believe me.

Not really. The price someone paid for their coins is useless information. Just like the price you paid for building or buying your house. The important information should be the value of the asset. Of course you can try to have some reference when it is a coin, not an asset, but even coins have their own proper valuation.

That is never going to work, it seems that you forgot that most icos disappear after just a few months or a year, a bounty hunter that knows that information is never going to promote an ico that forces him to hold his coins for a year, so an ico trying to implement such a system will simply fail since they will never find enough people to promote it while all the icos that do not implement that strategy get all the promotion.

That's right and the big problem the majority of them didn't even know about that and they are blindly blaming the bounty hunters. Basically the result of the ico will based on the demand. these guys never try to realized that it will be so difficult to attract these investors and speculators.

You're definitely right and I also believe that's one of the strategy some token or coin owners ought to apply. Besides, listing of new token or coin on one good exchange site is better than two or more exchange listing, due to my research cause I have a lot of new listed token on CMC which were listed on a good single exchange site and they were doing good.

This is a big difference in price, for one reason, because interest in crypto-currencies today is not as big as it wants, because bitcoin does not grow in price, it's obvious things that the forum participants understand today.

I agree with you. Bounty hunters make up only 1-2% of the tokens. So they can not be dumping, dumping comes from investors who do not want to stick with that project and those who are criticized are the bounty hunters.

I saw since last year lot of ICOs come to exchange but there listing price dumping more than ico or Pre sale prices. So iam still not yet invested thats ICO's.

Recently, there was a trend that many projects after entering the exchange received a sharp drop in the price of their token. But it seems to me that this trend will not last long. This was all due to the fact that recently there was a bear market.

I think it's not effective to avoid dump but it doesn't hurt to try, dump is not a mistake from bounty hunters or investors but it is a consequence for ICO projects that can't convince their community to hold their tokens, it's not easy but in fact there are many projects that can establish good relations with their communities and their tokens are not dumped when have debuted on the exchange

Actually i don not think the problem here is the airdrop and bounty hunters. The main issue here is ICO's being truthful, Today they say that ICO price is $0.4 and later they list x2 below the promised ICO price. As for the bounty hunter. a hunter is one who works for a project by promoting it and expect his or her reward. and this reward depends on the ICO price

There is a fact that the two prices are determined in a very different situation. Of course, quality projects are more profitable, but if you need to talk about price determination, there are two fixed prices for each project. The ICO price is unfortunately not determined by the supply-demand balance, which is the price determined by the project team at the end of the ICO. But the listing price on the stock exchange does not come up this way and therefore we face both positive and negative prices. When ICO projects begin trading on the stock market, this time the price is completely determined by supply-demand balance and transaction volume. So this time, not the project team, the investor has determined the price. Although the real market is operating in this way, ICO projects are a must.

If the project is really profitable and good this would not be a problem. Bounty hunters hold only the smallest percentage in the whole pool. If a project dumps with small movement then maybe it is not yet ready to be traded.

Should have locked the token to protect investors and even holders like hunters. (I mean they will be forced to hold because it is locked)

It seems that people in this forum do not understand what cryptocurrencies are about, this is about the free market we do not want a third party telling us how to use or to spend our coins so any system that relies on that to try to avoid that the price of their coins to go down is simply going to fail, we must let the free market to decide what is the value of a coin and if that value is zero then you need accept that.

Tokens are released to the stock exchanges at a fixed price, which was at the ICO. After all, users themselves artificially create demand, which entails a decrease or increase in price. The project does not have the authority to fix a fixed price on the exchange.

2018 has been an year of low price which caused ICO price stay either stable or below its price. Too much lose to the investors.

They dont care about it because they are anyways in the profits because they have gotten the tokens from the bounties as part of reward system. If they are calling themselves bounty hunters then they surely get themselves involved into various bounties at the same time and thus they just care about how much money they are getting from it each time. Even with small amount of money they have gotten they will just go on selling as they have chance to grab these small amounts from huge number of different bounties that they are entering into.  :D

If the bounty has a fixed predetermined percentage for the bounty and the project does not sell so many tokens and therefore this percentage is impacting the total number of tokens sold, we can find ourselves in a situation in which the bounty hunters actually can affect the market for the coin, but this is difficult to come by often when you reach the soft cap and the number of tokens for the hunters is too high, this number is reduced drastically to avoid the dump.
But this rarely happens, the initial dump is usually done by the whales that they buy with a big initial bonus, careless of the project for pure profit and selling soon after when coin hit exchange.

Almost half of the projects who started an Initial Coin Offering (ICO) didn’t have any development work done prior to the fundraising event, research shows. The majority of projects which got listed on a cryptocurrency exchange traded below the ICO price. I think the listing price most time goes lower than ico price

It's annoying when all the bounty hunters go on telegram and keep asking when it will list on an exchange, don't see much asking about the ICO price, those are the ones that will dump at any price. Hard to avoid those guys, i think they are the social media bounties who apply for everything

the price after ico naturally goes down. growth is worth waiting for after those who bought on pre-sale

I do not think that bounty hunters are able to collapse the price, this is confirmed by the fact that prices often fall much earlier than the payments reach to bounty hunters. It seems to me that prices are falling against the background of the overall market position and directly because of the ICOs product itself.

Those are their coins, they can do whatever they want with their coins, in my opinion the reason of why many coins go below the ico price is simply that the coins are very overvalued, the developers put a price to their coins independently from the will of the market so it's natural that the price crashes after is listed in an exchange, I have seen projects that let the market decide what was going to be its ico price and it's obvious those coins never crashed.

Bonus, airdrop, bounty will reduce the value of ico project tokens already on the exchange. But if we are patient, the value of the coin will recover if the market recovers.

infact i so much like this topic,,firstly i dont know what is wrong with some project,,during their project you are going to see good and  entizing ico prices,,maybe i will suggest that they are just making this to lure peoplr  so they can work for them or i dont know,,,it was after their listing on exchange the prices will now depreciate ten times of their ico,,,i wonder why they are making such a things to happen,,what will now be the gain of those they invest in such coin

No they are getting this thing wrong I don't think bounty hunters and airdropers are the one crashing the price but I see it that most of this new tokens or coins have nothing new to offer so nothing important about it and most time too developers / team do dump.

interesting topic,,firstly it all do with some coins,,their are some coinsthat have neither valve nor potential,,so during their ico the prices will be huge in other to have many participant that will involve in or some investor may even wanted to invest because of the ico they see,,so after through with their project the prices will fall ten times of ico,,so it depends on project

there is no other way than to sell it, because no one believes that the ICO price will return. IIC's price is only an advertisement for investors to be interested in, and after that they spend it far from the ICO price. Bounty hunters just think of making money quickly and projects are not their priority.

if you look at ico's price comparison and when in the market there are indeed more projects that hold ico and when their tokens enter the market the price falls below ico's price. but i think investors who invest in ico have their own ways for this and if you see the bonus given to investors when ico in my opinion the bonus given is quite a lot so the bonus can be used to increase profits even if you have to hold the token for quite a while

support! usually hunters are paid up to 3 percent of the total amount collected, not all of them immediately merge their tokens upon completion of the project. Even if you imagine that everything, then three percent - too small a sum so that it could significantly affect the price of a coin on the exchange.
But unfulfilled promises or announcements from developers that have not been confirmed - this is what drops the price of tokens abruptly and lowly
Well, when the market is in the "depression" stage, almost any token is doomed))) wait for the best times

Yes, it is true that bounty hunters and airdrop participants are dumping the coin as soon as possible, but the project has to be strong to survive that.

The market this year has turn down many projects to dead, the listing price is more lower than ICO price, which is not supposed to be

I don't believe that the reason for dumping coins is not unto bounty hunters or airdrop hunters. The allocation for bounty program of lot of projects is less than 5% from total cap of that coin. And also this bear market is another reason for dumping coins when listing on exchanges. I Think when market recovers this problem will be solved.

The saddest part is that, the tokens are traded under the ICO price set already even after when an ICO successfully gets into an exchange paying a  huge amount of fee. This causes a huge loss to the investors as well as the ICOs. When the loss situation is spread across, the ICO is tend to loose more investors. This is the another reason for tokens and coins stay stagnant without much circulation. I would say this is the one who trades first on the exchange sets the value. I appreciate the trading should start above the ICO price from the beginning and this is what everyone expects to happen so.

You do not seem to understand once the token is in an exchange platform the price is going to be determined by the laws of supply and demand, it doesn't matter if you are the first one into the exchange and ask for a price higher than the ico, if no one wants to pay that price then you're never going to sell your coins, in my opinion the reason for the drop in the price of icos after entering the exchange are the developers themselves that sold overvalued coins.

now listing prices  is too small, but if think that price ICO and need to minus the bonuses which team always given - it will be real price of coin

Completely agree with the fact that tokens are overvalued on the selling step, in addition to this lots of factors are the reason of this -  the early investors that sponsored the project before they started to do something at all.

The developers can ask whatever price they want for their tokens that is their right, but I have seen some icos that instead of setting a specific price they decided to let the market figure out the value of their tokens from the very beginning, and as you can guess the projects that went for that model never had any kind of crash in their price because from the beginning the price of the coins was fair and determined by the market.

LOL

If that is done and certainly the bounty hunters will not follow it.
Very fraudulent for that and certainly if the Dump price when listing, investors will become troublemakers.

The number of coins from the bounty hunters does not allow them to drop the price, these are all fairy tales. The price is dropped by investors buying with huge bonuses. In addition, the ICO price is often too high. The market determines the true state of things.

When there was a lot of daily trade volume and that will be so easy for boun hunters to make the price gets dumped a lot. just try to see the fact that mostly of social media bounty hunters are dumpers. that sucks but it's reality they will always try to dump their coin whatever the price is.

I strongly disagree with you, no one can say categorically that bounty hunters are the ones dumping their tokens because I have a point to back that up, some ICO release tokens to investors and team and the price drops from 0.5 to 0.02 few days to the time scheduled to release bounty hunters tokens, obviously that kind of coin price is not cause to crash by bounty hunters but investors and the team, the ICO I'm talking about precisely is "CCL" Cyclean

of course, this might be the wrong thing, but also a bounty hunter and also airdrop is not entirely wrong will decline in value. many of them because it is too often see prices falling after ICO and enter in the market makes them speculated that while the price is still high then sell from on must arrive in new low price sells. they may indeed be too hasty and that many harms related parties regarding the ICO including investors.

But not all hunters immediately sell their coins. Some believe in the project enough to hold and wait for development.

indeed a dilemma if the ICO price falls at the start of the launch in the market, it is not necessarily the fault of the bounty hunters, there must be other factors, and indeed there are also hunters who sell it below the ICO price because they think they have been paid for their work.

If a bounty hunter is able to significantly reduce the price of a token by a small volume of sales, then this means that he is doing the right thing when he sells this shitcoin.

Bounty hunters should definitely care about ICO price. But sometimes, it is not easy to tell, what exactly was the ICO price. For example, we can say 0,5$, but if Ethereum was pledged at 1000$, the 0,5$ is not really true.

Usually the amount of the allocation for bounties is only about 2% of the number of tokens sold. Even though that affects, but that's just a little because there are still many people out there who have a larger number of tokens. Unstable market conditions are used by investors and traiders with their strategies to get big profits by ignoring ICO prices.
The thing that determines the success or failure of coins that enter the market is how the team strategies and maintain investor confidence to hodl their coins.

Don't blame bounty hunters for the reason of dumping token price after ICO, it's the failure of the project.

It is so easy to blame bounty hunters for a low listing price of an ICO. The price of an ICO is only determined by every participants who invented, invested, and supported according to their share and bounty hunters have the smallest part of it. Before to blame the others, it is better to think about your own fault.

Why bounty and airdrop hunters do such is because they did not buy. But as an investment hold your coin for awhile and allow them to sell theirs. After they might have done so, the price will rise again. When i do not have need for money, i allow bounty and airdrop hunters to exhaust theirs first before i think of going to the market to sell mine.

I adhere to the opinion that everything depends directly on the project, because the percentage of tokens that are allocated for conducting a bounty campaign is not so large as to affect the price of the token, and besides, not all participants sell immediately after receiving it, believe in the project and hope for an increase in prices in the future.

Although they have a small percentage of total supply, It is true that bounty hunters and airdrop participants dump the prices because new coins-tokens are getting listed on small exchanges. But investors affect prices more than bounty hunters. They generally sell their bonus tokens. In addition to this, usually, bounty hunters and airdrop participant receive their rewards later than investors. And lastly, project team rises listing price too much. If the latest phase of ICO is 10 cent, they are listing it 50 cents. Dumping is inevitable with low market caps.

I think my thoughts are different from yours.
1.  I think ICO's listing price reduction is not caused by bounty hunters. We don't know how many professional bounty hunters exist in this market, but I rarely see a bounty event that can gather hundreds of bounty hunters. Maybe some of the projects in 2017 have such appeal, but I have hardly seen such a situation this year.
2. the rewards that bounty hunters receive are actually not many, and the market price decline is the one who is the cornerstone investor. They get the most coins at the lowest cost, those prices are completely lower than the ICO price, so they have There is plenty of room to sell them for those coins.

actually if the team and dev have a skill, there will be no significant dump. remember the reward for the bounty campaign is only 1 or 2 percent of the total. and for investors today are more likely to want to get quick profits than the process and function. well, this problem is not only for bounty.

Many investors are blaming the behavior of hunters, but I don't think this is our fault. The profit ratio I get from each activity is only 0.01-0.05 of the total amount. Can such a small amount make me break the price? ?

I don't think these are Bounty hunters who influence much the prices. Advisors are those who are to blame cause they get more cryptocurrencies and are first who sell them. We may avoid this by freezing different parts of tokens for different periods. I guess we have to adopt this idea!

In most cases, the fall in prices is caused by early investors or white list investors, they buy tokens with a maximum discount, and when they enter the exchanger, they immediately merge, receiving good profits and capital turnover.

Well you do have a point but what if that is done and you still find the price going down before the distribution day, then we think of the next dumpers which are mostly the investor who claims they don't since they came in with their fund,  it's mostly caused by the early investors who have enough to sell and it won't affect is investing price. These people also needs to be take care of by letting them know when and what to do with their giant coin.

This may currently be resolved in a manner that distributes many advances to investors so that it would not have affected against the actions that will be faced by the bounty hunter. Indeed it is natural when the bounty hunter is a maker of chaotic price because surely they want to immediately enjoy the results of what they are doing. but when the investor section of precedence sure they would be able to control the market from the beginning.

Besides of this fact people also decide to sell when they get their bounty earnings. If we count this both facts is it logical that th ICO price go down.

 Hi,
I think this is illogical. The main reasons are in most of the ICOs the bounty allocation is less than or equal to 1-2 percent and in this lot of them are failed to claim. I seriously doubt about their capacity to dump and another thing is most of the bounty hunters will hold the tokens expecting high returns in the future.
Thanks.

The prices very strongly differ. I saw several successful projects which gave X. All others cost cheaper than on sales

It will be difficult for the team to control the coin price after listing in exchanges. It is the market demand that decide the price, so I don’t think it make any difference if the team post a reminder on ICO price.

The price of listing is very often overstated from actual cost. It is favorable to everything to sell the coins more expensively.

The fact is that in any project the pool that is allocated is not enough to collapse the price of tokens, so it seems to me that this is a myth and excuses!

Unfortunately there are many hunters who do not care about the price of ico
They sell as soon as they are inserted
But in contrast, what is the proportion of Tokens in the possession of the hunters?


I personally will never sell without good prices.

If the project is good and there is a good demand for the token and it already depends on marketing, then the token will have an ICO price and will grow, but when there is a distribution for work to people, the price falls but do not forget that at such moments you need to prepare and start buying these coins !