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Title: Flexcoin Hacked?
Post by: Bonio on March 04, 2014, 08:22:18 AM
http://flexcoin.com
Via reddit


Title: Re: Flexcoin Hacked?
Post by: TheFootMan on March 04, 2014, 08:27:19 AM
http://flexcoin.com
Via reddit

No details released = first suspect will be the operator.

Copy of police report, and details about how it happened is the least the community should demand.


Title: Re: Flexcoin Hacked?
Post by: Gaukler on March 04, 2014, 08:33:18 AM
Is that now the new business ? Open an exchange and if you have enough coins, tell everyone "ohh...ohhh we are hacked and all coins was stolen"


Title: Re: Flexcoin Hacked?
Post by: EvilPanda on March 04, 2014, 08:37:20 AM
Never heard of this exchange, most of these little ones turn out to be a scam or have security problems.


Title: Re: Flexcoin Hacked?
Post by: TheFootMan on March 04, 2014, 08:46:23 AM
Never heard of this exchange, most of these little ones turn out to be a scam or have security problems.

Well, if you think of it, it's quite handy to lose the coins now, in the shadow of MtGox. But differently to MtGox they did not lose the cold wallet. So people having coins in cold wallet will get it back.

Here's their wiki entry:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Flexcoin

Also an interesting thing is that anybody running a Bitcoin exchange can claim that their money were lost, esp. from the hot wallet, without it being very easy to prove otherwise. Also it is very easy to rig it so that it seems a hacker stole everything, while in reality it is the operator and conspirators that conducted the theft.

It's sad for those genuine operators that genuinely tried their best and got robbed, but I would think that the majority of cases entails robbery done by insiders, and therefore a very sharp light must be put on people running the exchange.

And asking law enforcement to help... Do law enforcement, apart from the most resourceful units actually have bitcoin competence?

They claim 896 btc is gone. That is about 0.6Million USD with todays exchange rate. Should be large enough to investigate by law enforcement, but I guess the specialist in any country have even bigger cases on their plate, so it's not sure it will be investigated by all, so some users got robbed, operators apparently appologize and everything blows over, and some person(s) now have significantly increased their wealth, be it the operator(s) or the thiefs.


Title: Re: Flexcoin Hacked?
Post by: EvilPanda on March 04, 2014, 09:01:16 AM
Never heard of this exchange, most of these little ones turn out to be a scam or have security problems.

Well, if you think of it, it's quite handy to lose the coins now, in the shadow of MtGox. But differently to MtGox they did not lose the cold wallet. So people having coins in cold wallet will get it back.

Here's their wiki entry:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Flexcoin

Also an interesting thing is that anybody running a Bitcoin exchange can claim that their money were lost, esp. from the hot wallet, without it being very easy to prove otherwise. Also it is very easy to rig it so that it seems a hacker stole everything, while in reality it is the operator and conspirators that conducted the theft.

It's sad for those genuine operators that genuinely tried their best and got robbed, but I would think that the majority of cases entails robbery done by insiders, and therefore a very sharp light must be put on people running the exchange.

And asking law enforcement to help... Do law enforcement, apart from the most resourceful units actually have bitcoin competence?

They claim 896 btc is gone. That is about 0.6Million USD with todays exchange rate. Should be large enough to investigate by law enforcement, but I guess the specialist in any country have even bigger cases on their plate, so it's not sure it will be investigated by all, so some users got robbed, operators apparently appologize and everything blows over, and some person(s) now have significantly increased their wealth, be it the operator(s) or the thiefs.
Appology means nothing, if they continue to operate, they should use their profits to gradually pay back stolen coins. Maybe in future someone builds an exchange with virtual trading, meaning that the main server will be dealing only in numbers, and not have a hot wallet, the wallets will be kept on 2nd server not engaged in trading, which will be used only to process withdrawals. A small ammounts of BTC would be sent to it every hour from the cold storage. I know this would increase the withdrawal time, but honestly gox used to take weeks to process those and I'd rather be safe then sorry.


Title: Re: Flexcoin Hacked?
Post by: TheFootMan on March 04, 2014, 09:06:55 AM
Never heard of this exchange, most of these little ones turn out to be a scam or have security problems.

Well, if you think of it, it's quite handy to lose the coins now, in the shadow of MtGox. But differently to MtGox they did not lose the cold wallet. So people having coins in cold wallet will get it back.

Here's their wiki entry:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Flexcoin

Also an interesting thing is that anybody running a Bitcoin exchange can claim that their money were lost, esp. from the hot wallet, without it being very easy to prove otherwise. Also it is very easy to rig it so that it seems a hacker stole everything, while in reality it is the operator and conspirators that conducted the theft.

It's sad for those genuine operators that genuinely tried their best and got robbed, but I would think that the majority of cases entails robbery done by insiders, and therefor very sharp light must be put on people running the exchange.

And asking law enforcement to help... Do law enforcement, apart from the most resourceful units actually have bitcoin competence?

They claim 896 btc is gone. That is about 0.6Million USD with todays exchange rate. Should be large enough to investigate by law enforcement, but I guess the specialist in any country have even bigger cases on their plate, so it's not sure it will be investigated by all, so some users got robbed, operators apparently appologize and everything blows over, and some person(s) now have significantly increased their wealth, be it the operator(s) or the thiefs.
Appology means nothing, if they continue to operate, they should use their profits to gradually pay back stolen coins. Maybe in future someone builds an exchange with virtual trading, meaning that the main server will be dealing only in numbers, and not have a hot wallet, the wallets will be kept on 2nd server not engaged in trading, which will be used only to process withdrawals. A small ammounts of BTC would be sent to it every hour from the cold storage. I know this would increase the withdrawal time, but honestly gox used to take weeks to process those and I'd rather be safe then sorry.

A compromize of the web server should not mean the hot wallet is compromized, i would think that's standard security.