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We need to accept the facts that it's very difficult now to see a coins doing x10 x20 or even doing 50% returns on investment in this bear period.  And nobody knows when the bulls will come. Therefore,  it's will be advisable to exist when your coins do 20% returns or even less. I know some investors will not be satisfied with 20% but we need to be objective and understand this bear period will last longer than expect.

The return on crypto investment entirely depends on when you have entered the market. If you have entered in 2009-2010, you are still a rich man. But if you have entered during late 2017, you are in deep shit! So now it's your time to average out your investment price. It's all about being practical with your hard earned money and your eagerness to prosper in long-term!

If you have looked at bitcoin as get-rich-quick scheme, you were wrong at the very beginning!

Now there are some projects that show a good boost. For example, Fantom, but these tokens were very hard to buy on sale. You need to be lucky. Another example of the Metronome (x3).

Cryptocurrencies have proven that anything can happen in the market. From going to the moon in 24h to crashing within minutes. Nobody can know what the future will bring to us, only speculating. People should now forget about "investment" "break even" and "ROI", they should now watch the adoption and the technologies behind, and hope for a continued improvement.

yes this situation is very unpleasant because it cannot make us feel happy like at the end of 2017, but I am sure that it will come back to such a beautiful time later in 2019 so please be a little patient to enjoy what is.
if there are 20% why not take it, I think a little little game is the same, it counts as profitable, little by little, it will feel a lot, so be smart in playing so that it becomes big and continues.

Right we need to be aware that there will be bearish market,but we can't deny the fact that were hoping that cryptocurrencies price will rise soon.Looking back last year 2017 bitcoins have skyrocketed and these are all investors waiting for.

Yes, I agree with you, I think the market can not have a big pump in short term, so if we have profit then we should sell it and get our profit.
The market is in sideway before have any good news of money flow or have any application is used in the real life :)

Yes ofcourse a short time is not enough...so we are having enough time to make our profit...but we need to be careful about that there will be such a market....and bulls will return and situation will also go wrong.

There are times that cryptocurrency will undergo in ups and downs. If it is in a logical way if you invest in btc and you can't wait enough for the run and you don't want to be bankrupt it is good to sell your coins with a profit at least. But if you have the patience and still believe that it will skyrocket i suggest that hodl and enjoy the blessings if you sell in the run. There's always regret if you don't choose well.

This is one of the reason why ICO dont want to be listed in major exchanges as this early moment.
they want to get the bear season away first. We can't see x10 now because of many people are just holding their tokens/coins.
some of them are in panic attack also which sell the tokens fast with out seeing th price.

Yes, it is true. Until the next moment when you can do x 10 or more, it's still very far. There is even a possibility that in principle this will not happen. On the other hand ... Is x2 bad for money? Yes, almost in no business sector such money in such a short period of time is not done. I think some people are completely insolent for a certain period of market growth ... it's time to get used to the changes

Well, generally I invest for the long-term and it doesn't make any sense to look at the charts for the purpose of taking any exit decision (as the primary investment is meant to hold for the long run). On the other hand, I believe that movement is a growth and hence if we are really expecting some growth for this sector then there is no option other than spending the coins we have as a payment system instead of looking at it as a speculative instrument in the first place itself.

I believe you mean to say exit when they're getting around 20% appreciation, which according to me is not a great idea. If you observe past returns given by bitcoins, this is very less and I am not really sure why would people settle for less. As for the bear periods do remember they won't last forever, sooner bulls will be back and one will definitely earn more than 20%.

That's a bold thing to say. The cryptocurrency market is unpredictable, so objectively, anything can happen, even in the current state of the market there can be a sudden upward movements that will make investors regret selling their coins for a measly 20% ROI when they could've seen bigger profits should they have waited a bit longer.

In such unpredictable market, best thing to do during a bear season is to either hold your coins or buy some more while prices are low, if you're patient enough, those 20% would look like a joke in the long run.

I think it depends on their way, because everyone is different how to play, you need to pay attention back 20% is not easy to do, it needs an expected process.

So the point is we have to take advantage of the slightest opportunity, if there is any small profit, then we must immediately attract because nowadays there is rarely a new coin with a very productive price, from thousands of coins in circulation, maybe only 5 really successful coin.

The bull and the bear market are part and parcel of the cryptocurrency market and at that it will be very hard for investors to be able to be objective on the percentage to cash out due to the high volatility of the system, while some investors will be OK with a 20%to30% return or even less some others will prefer to hold till they fixed percentage is reached before they sale.

The market situation right now is not really good. My folio is decreaaing everyday. And the bearish months as you is longer than we expected but I am still holding my coins as I know it wiml be back to normal. I Don't know what should I suggest to others but me it is too late to cut off my losses already. So I am still waiting for the right time to sell.

1. i sold a paper clip. it cost me 1penny i sold it for 3 pennies.. YAY 3x
2. that was yesterday, today no one wanted another paper clip..

lesson. it may happen once to a certain asset. doesnt mean it will repeat every time

1. i had a blue chain of paperclips this time. i sold 1 for 3pennies YAY 3x for every new paperclip ICO premine day one sale
2. that was yesterday, today no one wanted another paper clip..

lesson. it may happen once to a certain asset. doesnt mean it will repeat every time
most ICO's are boring no-utility, over hyped PoS(no cost to create) crap.

bitcoin has (so far) got merchant utility. got a known presence and has an actual underlying cost of production(PoW)
so bitcoin if you ignore the cubs and calves(the small bulls and bears) and look at the long term view.. yep that means zooming out of daily/wekly charting and look at the 3 year chart

2016: >$300
2017: >$900
2018: >$5800
bitcoin is a 6x BULL so far this year.

have a nice day

Definitey. x1000 is simply not going to happen now, people should be happy if they even get 2-3x within a short period of time. The market is not in good shape right now so even modest gains should be grabbed and exited as soon as possible. Don't hold out for more than 15% a month or you are likely to lose a lot more.

Exactly, so many people are still in the denial stage. We need to face the reality that it might take a while for the market to bounce back. I'm sure that everyone really wanted to see the price going on a massive bull run similar to last year, but no, I't won't happening. That's why I don't put too much emphasize on a all-time-high, I already accepted that fact.

I just look at it in a year-to-year basis. We are definitely up from last year, so I advise specially newbies that if you are not comfortable with what you see today, before wait it out so that you won't regret entering today because you might not see your investment grow as you would have expected it to be.

I agree, the company is difficult.But any profit is better than no profit or loss.Competent investors understand this and use this picture in their favor.During the crisis, someone is always poor, and someone is enriched.Our task is to be those who are smarter and richer as a result)))No tantrums straight to victory.Everything will be decided next year.

Lol.. but those that started before 2017 were not rich at the beginning, they were also in too much doubt and with time, their fears were taken away as price began to appreciate and increase.

In cryptocurrency and with what I'm seeing, no time is late to enter the market, we just have to know when price is low, you buy and hodl. Longtime hodling will always be a nice decision if patient will be embraced.

Most people are in for the gain, so they rush without considering the pros and cons of there investment.it is worrisome.

I really cherish your advice but the issue will that 20% come untine. Then you should note that, the 20% will depend greatly on the time the investment is made.

I think a 20% return is very good. You should understand then investing is not  ''become rich overnight'' scheme. I know for some of us it has happened last year, but it is like a lottery. Normally a profit of 10% in a month per your investment is a great result.

Yes, you're absolutely right. The price can not grow forever and bullish rally will always be followed by a bearish correction, we just needs to wait.

your are very mistaken. altcoin pumps are already taking place. there is no pause button or "bear period" for altcoin pump and dumps. they will always get pumped and dumped every day. why do you think there is nearly 2000 altcoins available? it is because pumpers want to have as many options for pumping as possible.

in depends on which coin you are talking about.
bitcoin will start rising pretty soon, possibly next month as we put ETF behind us and the market starts up with freshness.
altcoins as I said above have been getting pumped this year too, you just haven't been looking at the pumped coins but you were stuck with the top coins that are actually getting dumped.

Rather than lost indeed 20% or less is the realistic of percentages currently but for bitcoin i believe if you have more patience then get 10x from your initial investment is not impossible but this is not happened for short term period because this year all of crypto users still face up difficult year even we are almost near to end of year but there is no sign for upcoming big pump

Now you can see such big ups, but they are very few. And in most cases they are difficult to predict. Usually so take off coins from which you do not expect at all.

Or how about you look at the long term and hold these investments because you actually believe in the projects.
I keep a portion of my investments in Bitcoin, not because I think I'll make a big profit out of it, but because I believe in the long term success of Bitcoin.

Might be hard to believe for some people, but I've been keeping this investment since 2013.
Now, I did take some profit during the last ATH at around 20k, but have since then all bought it back at a lower price.

All other altcoins I've purchased are because of POS rewards, so it makes more sense to keep them instead of cashing out at a small profit.

I saw last year that one altcoin increased by 1500% per week with my own eyes. So you never told me that it would never happen again. There's always this potential.

Before joining the bitcoin investment, everybody must know the pros and cons, the risks and understand everything about it. Now the price is declining but that doesn't mean it is the end, bitcoin is the future of money. Just invest the amount you can afford to lose.

When it comes to btc, that's not that bad. It will grow with time, and you will get good returns in a few years. But it's not soo good with "badcoins," as most of them failed or will fail, especially those having no working product. So we must be very selective and careful with alts. Good altcoins may go up in future, as they at least have some ground except for pure speculation, but that won't happen with coins without a working coin economy.

Last year thousands of new people joined a day. Crypto was a breath of fresh air for people. Now the situation is opposite, so we need time to recover, and also a push from big boys.

before starting investing with crypto currencies I think investors must understand and understand with all the risks investors will get in the investment

As the price of cryptocurrency is rising and falling that we observe in the year 2017, investment of bitcoin in this field is needed to increase profit. Bitcoin's value is getting improved by mining for what we need to invest bitcoin.

Cryptocurrency market is going to be satisfying position for the people who are investing bitcoin for getting profit. It is clear to see that the mining is getting increase which ultimate result is to invest bitcoin for profit. So, objective attitudes towards bitcoin is a bright way to see.

In the first place, becoming rich quickly should not be the main purpose for investing in Bitcoin. It will come with patience and monitoring. It's knowing how to balance the movements. If 20% is what you think the best it can do for now, then go for it but balance it. Don't play all out.

Mining bitcoin and investment this on a satisfying rate is needed for everyone like me. investment is a way to be connected in this network where it creates a great deal of profit. The thing which is proven in the field of cryptocurrency is a considering issue also.

Its very normal as all they depends from BTC so if BTC is in bear its dificult for project be in bull and make x13 or even more as what is market its people who but or sell.

I think that most of the investors objective in doing investing btc and alts is basically to earn profit. It involves the investors patience how they really manage to extend to it since those who don't have any patience will do panic selling which is very wrong. As an investor, you should know how to analyze the market situation.

Most people are here to make millions with the inveatment of 100 or 1000$. This is not going to happen. The time of 100x or More on any investment is gone. In my opinion, even 2x is good when you compare it to stock market where you get not more than 30-40% in a year that too when you are extremely lucky.

If I'm getting 30%  in few weeks in crypto, I'm damn happy.

This is sure a good thing to consider. We need to be objective, and if we say objective it must have been a proof. You can base your judgement to the reliable things. We need to be smart in every decision we will make, with this you can surely earn big pr huge amount of profit.

There are a lot of new altcoin. So, I understand what your aunt is saying. Markets are experiencing difficulties with bitcoin prices continuing to fall. So we are completely satisfied with the 20% interest from virtual currency bought.

Investing in bitcoin is a high risk. However, such a position can become a huge drawback, as many investors do not want to feel that they have missed an important and significant investment opportunity.

Some financial advisers have already faced investors complaining about the missed opportunity for investment in bitcoin. Nevertheless, many financial theorists call for extreme caution, since no one can unambiguously answer the question about the price of bitcoin in 2018.

Some experts predict a rate increase to an incredible level. experts of the investment bank Morgan Stanley believe that the bitcoin rate can collapse to zero if the world does not begin to accept it as a full-fledged means of payment. At the moment, the main crypto currency shows a downtrend.

LOL. Altcoins born and then die a natural death. Why would you invest on something that will eventually die? I don't think that we have issues with bitcoin, its that 2018 investors thought that the price could go on parabolic rise. They are the one who keeps saying that bitcoin investment is no good, but do they have any other options? Altcoins? Nah, I don't think so.


20%? Probably its advisable, but can we really target this ROI in this bear market? I guess it depends on what coins you play this days. Altcoins, short term squeeze and still Bitcoin for your long term goals.

the objective fact is that bitcoin is one of the best investments statistically
2015-2016 average price was 250$ 2016-2017 800-1000$ , 2018 6000$
25x your investments in 3 years I would say is pretty good
but people expect to enter the market now and get same 25x-ain't happening, at least not in the short term
be patient and smart and do not treat bitcoin or crypto investment as a get rich scheme

In recent time so many new good projects are available in the market like Fantom and Metronome but you need also luck if you want to buy or sell these projects.

We can't know when bulls will come. If you want to earn profit you need to choose a good coin. If you are a new investor then you need some time to become rich.

I would suggest everyone to stick to their strategy. The cryptocurrency market has always faced the pumps and dumps. We should not panic with the bear market. Rather we should stick to our strategy and concentrate on long term investments

To me, the long term investments are always profitable. The ups and downs price of cryptocurrency has always prevailed in the market. We need to be more specific of our goals and try to be patient if ever bearish trend starts.

I agree with you. The cryptocurrency market is very unpredictable and the bear market does not seem to end. We need to have faith on our coins and concentrate on our investment strategy.

The market will have its ups and downs. If you do not want to lose all the coins and a constant fear that there is a chance for you of going bankrupt, then it will be a better move to sell the coins instead of living in constant fear.

Cryptocurrencies have proven that anything can happen in the market. From going to the moon in 24h to crashing within minutes. Nobody can know what the future will bring to us, only speculating. People should now forget about "investment" "break even" and "ROI", they should now watch the adoption and the technologies behind, and hope for a continued improvement.

There will be tough times and there will be good times in the market. But this does not mean that the market is dying and will not recover. There are good projects that are being underway and will have potential in the future too.

i am not surprised that this bear is happening because there is always ups and downs in a trading market. a sad thing is just for those who bought at the top, they wont be able to sell at loss .  this year has really been red for crypto and people have been trapped as a result of waiting for bull run ever since the dip started. i hope we can see some bull soon but it might not really come the way and when we want it. lets be prepared for more.

Crypto's value is very constant now because of how much publicity it has gained and now because of so much media attention and the amount of people who has tried to leverage crypto it caused the bubble to burst and now crypto is at a standstill showing low increase/decrease. Old investors of crypto are rich but people who want to get into it now would make not that feasible profits. it is very hard to determine when the market will gain traction but for now R.O.I is not much.

Indeed, with so little profit obtained it will not be easy to attract the attention of investors to immediately take that decision. So what we know all along, is that patience is really needed in this matter.

Cryptographic forms of money have demonstrated that anything can occur in the market. From heading off to the moon in 24h to slamming inside minutes. It's not possible for anyone to realize what the future will convey to us, just estimating.

The digital currency showcase is unusual, so equitably, anything can happen, even in the present condition of the market, there can be a sudden upward development that will influence speculators to lament offering their coins for a measly 20% ROI when they could've seen greater benefits should they have held up somewhat more.

If you one to be objective you need to know history, similar things happened before, not once, not twice, many times, so tell me why wouldn`t we expect to happen again?

I can`t tell how many times I saw `with cryptocurrencies anything can happen`! It has been repeated here so many times and people still don`t get it. If anything is possible where is the limit? Only sky and maybe above, there are so many people who still don`t know nothing about bitcoins and cryptocurrencies. Maybe changes will not come tomorrow, maybe not even next year, but most of us see cryptocurrencies in the future, we all know that every new year brings more excitement, lets wait this new year and we will see what will happen and than we will make our judgments.

Actually i believe that to survive in this crypto world we need to be very strategic. We have to when to enter and when leave. And these thing are not possible without lot of researches.

You guys shouldn't look at cryptos as being an easy and fast way to make more fiat money. The real fun with cryptocurrencies will begin when we're able to go to any local store and spend it and when you see the price tags for crypto payments to be lower than normal fiat ones. And this is going to happen pretty soon because card providers like visa take a percentage of every transactions via the terminal. The shop owners actually are forced to increase the prices if they're using a card terminal. This won't be a case with BTC. Trust me 20% gain is nothing. When the next bull market comes (which will surely happen within 2 years) you'll be looking at 10k USD and thinking it used to be a bargain.

This is only applicable for newbies and not for long time holders. Since you cannot predict the market it is still use best to hold as long as you bought your coin at a very low price. For example if I bought my coins last 2015 there is no need to panic since I know this bear market will be over soon.

I completely agree with you. I believe that the market will pump in short time. So we can sell to get profit and we also hold to get extra amount. The market grow straight line before the money flow it also have the application in real life.

I personally when I started trading was aiming for 10% and less, fortunately I have made some money by doing that and whenever I started expecting more than that I experienced huge loses.

Selling coins after a 20% profit is what some traders are always doing and it's not something new. Only professional people can be successful in trading. Holding the coins is still some people prefer to do it.
No one knows what will happen. Prices might start to rise suddenly and holders receive their profit too.

The profit and loss depends on the time when you had invested. So yeah i also think that in the bearish market we can just look for a minimum profit. Otherwise big losses can happen.

Bearish is a very critical time. Every steps should be taken very carefully. The market is highly volatile so it we do not stay careful, we will make wrong decisions.

Actually it depends on many things and specially on timing. The market is completely uncertain. It can be pump up in 24hrs or can finish you in 1 minute. Recently the market is in bearish period for a while but very soon the bulls run will start.

that is normal this is a normal investment if there is a loss and fortunately I still believe bitcoin will benefit this is still the beginning of a long journey of bitcoin even though I am losing now but I still hold it because I am sure to invest here

You are right, while the bear run has been bad for the crypto market in general I believe the informed and experienced traded have been the one to benefit the most. Instead of waiting for their coins to do 100× they sell for a little profit, buy again when it dips and sell again when the rises. Just like that.

I think that i can invest in coins like btc and ether now and I will get much profit later, to my mind, it is better to invest in them because soon their price will become much better and we will earn

Actually no one can exactly predict when this market will turn to be positive. If anyone can get 10%-20% profit anyway, he/she should grab that chance. He/she can invest again at the price dip and it will increase the chance of making another profit.

Yes, I agree with you, and I think that by making a profit, it is already amazing at this time, because the current market is very difficult for Altcoin to up to 10x the price of the ICO.

As the market is going through price dip, investors should make some compromises about their profit return. This bearish period might take long time to recover. So, I think people need to be realistic about their expectation of profit.

Cryptocurrency has already showed its extreme volatile nature and it is now unpredictable when the price will take positive turn for market. So investors should face the real situation and act accordingly.

Let us just wait for more.  I know the market will pump soon.  This is just the fist Ber month and we are just going for the last quarter of the year.  Let us extend our patience guys.

"We expect more advantages in investing bitcoins.If we can not get the perfect result then we can not invest our valuable bitcoins.The advantages of bitcoins' investment should be on our expectations.

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Right we should know that there will be bearish market but we can't deny the way that were trusting that digital forms of money cost will rise soon. Looking back a year ago 2017 bitcoins have soar and these are for the most part financial specialists sitting tight for.

Yeah i think it's almost imposible to get 10x profit or more except with a group pump.
Market condition is not good and many investors leave, but we hope new investors coming with a bag of money to develop crypto

Bitcoin investing is sure exciting and yes you are right we should have an objective approach for it, it is not like buying it and overnight you will get rich, it is not like that.

Yes. You should be objective with your investment.  You know,  bitcoin investment can be great but without any objective, you are not going to enjoy it as you should.

you are right, i am agree with you because market now going ups and down it's not stable that's why we can not say it is bull run. i think market should take more time for big pum but if we have profit then we should sell it and get our profit.

I agree with you,market can not have a big pump in short term it will take a time. if we want to big pum we should wait for a time, so if we have profit then we should sell it and get our profit.

i think the market can not have a big pump in short term,it will take a time to big pum and it will take more time for market stable and make bull run. so if we have profit then we should sell it and get our profit.

You won't see it at least for now because the current market is still low, although there are some rising movements.
Even achieving 20% returns will be hard because there are no sign of bull market.
for now, i think it is better for investors to hold their coins, except they are just a traders.

Though bitcoin is hard to predict, there are still ways for us to get a hint of bitcoin will perform a bear or bull run. Indicators and signals for examples. They are a good help to still predict the market. On the other hand, be updated on the news to also know if the expected way of bitcoin will be suddenly affected by these news.