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Is Ludji (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=944083) running spam service?

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Strange they don't offer ICO bumping service  ::)


I would really like to hear opinions about this.

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I got asked about him, and yeah he's basically offering spam and other dishonest services, in so far as fake likes and views are dishonest.

I don't think what he's offering here rises to the level of deserving a negative, though.  If he did indeed offer something like an ICO bumping brigade, then it'd be a different story.  That's my opinion, but I certainly would respect someone who didn't view it that way.  Ludji is kind of a miserable little troll, looking to do the easiest job in life behind a keyboard--very much like bounty spammers do.

Everyone should be wary of these things that can be manipulated online, like product reviews, likes, eBay trust, and all of that.  I tend to be very skeptical, but I'm sure lots of people take things at face value.

It is unclear whether there is precedence here. Do you know of any accounts tagged for any of the listed services?

So selling anything is bad here? I try to help the forum as much as I can and you accuse me of selling spam services? These are services any internet marketer needs and I see no reason to not offer them. Fuck you guys honestly. I haven't cheated anyone, haven't done anything dishonest, haven't claimed anything that's not true in my threads and you decide to make a thread about me? Well done, this forum is really going places.

I really wanted to be a valuable member for your information, but now I don't care anymore. Give me neg trust if you want, I don't plan on contributing anymore. Good luck with having a forum of 10 people if that's what you want.

Also, half the high ranking members have gambling sites in their signature and everybody is fine with that. I'm a hard opposer of gambling, but I don't fcking make threads about those members, even though it's not moral at all and illegal in some states!. So it's better to advertise gambling than Social Media Services?

I see marlboroza also likes gambling, thread from 2017 where he is looking for the best way to promote a gambling site:

 I need best ad network for gambling site (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1971614.msg19617388#msg19617388)

Fucking loser, people lose homes to gambling and that's okay with you. But fake followers are not?

Well where have these email addresses come from and how were they obtained? I'd say there's a very good chance they were obtained in some nefarious and shady way and the users on them probably didn't consent to them being sold on to anyone who is willing to pay for them. If they did consent then I guess that's on them.


I've tagged plenty that have spammed my email address with ICO offers as they have clearly bought the hacked account email dump from this forum from somewhere.

Does anyone have the list he was selling? If my email from this forum is on there I would certainly leave negative feedback.

I haven't sold it to anyone, 0 sales. It was obtained from a marketing agency, has nothing to do with this forum. Also, as I've said, feel free to tag me, I'm done here. Huge disappointment.

But then where did they get the list from? You probably have no idea where the emails originally came from and it's very likely the were collected/collated without the users consent. The agency probably got it from either some dodgy crypto site or ICO that required emails and sold them on or the hacked forum database or any of the other multiple bitcoin sites or exchanges that have been hacked or breached in the past.

I don't know how they got them, but I doubt it's anything hacked or they would go out of business pretty soon, as everyone has those lists.

Also, what is this supposed to mean?


You outright insult me and that's okay with everyone?

This type of list is never obtained with the consent of the email owner. It's not even something hidden and everyone knows this. You have to be naive to believe in something else. Such lists are usually collected by scrapers, hacked accounts lists, or bought from another business.
Most of the agencies online use such methods

I understand and already acknowledged my mistake in another thread. But by all means, is this a reason to outright insult me and start a thread? If you notice I've also already locked the e-mail thread. I made 0 sales and I'm glad I did, it was a mistake. I have a marketing background and saw nothing wrong in the act of selling them as it's quite common.

But why are people being hypocrites? Everyone here is so moral and perfect, yet everyone has advertised gambling, which they seem to think is great, including the OP. It's illegal in some states, why is nobody talking about it? Yeah, it's much easier to attack me(a Jr. Member) than one of the higher ranking guys, I totally agree. So enjoy, insult me like Pharmacist or call me out like marloboroza, I'm fine with both. I have my moral compass straight and I'm sure of that. The OP, on the other hand, might want to rethink his life seeing as he enjoys advertising gambling sites so he can earn a few bucks of commission from them.

Man, this forum is brutal.  A couple years ago I was on the receiving end of a smackdown by some senior members (though I don't have a link for it) and in addition I had TECSHARE chasing me all over the forum--including on my trust page--after some disagreement, the details of which I don't even recall.  

You either roll with it and grow or you give up.  I chose not to give up.  So far I don't think you've done anything that would irreparably damage your reputation here, but you have to realize that bitcointalk isn't the dark market where people appreciate e-mail lists being sold or spam services being offered.  It might not be against the rules, but it goes against the etiquette of the forum.  This could change, of course, just like account selling used to be A-OK, but right now the stuff you're trying to sell is frowned upon.

The troll comment was for that other thread with you arguing with Lauda.  

This thread is not about me but I want to tell you, I started off here in kind of the same fashion:


....then I mellowed out over time and stopped the trolling behavior after I got a clear picture of what bitcointalk is all about.  In my early days I had quite a few posts being deleted, too.  In your case, though, I would advise you not to try to sell stuff that could be looked at as having even the hint of being shady.  

It might seem like an oppressive place, but many members here are just trying to clean it up and not have it be spammy or scammy.

Edit:
Fair enough.  And the only reason I took the time to write the above post was because I don't think you're beyond what this forum considers redemption--and you're not a typical shitposter, either.

I think you are a very aggressive and rude person. I've seen your other posts, you can't stand not calling someone names. Just because the "forum is brutal" doesn't mean you shouldn't have manners, which you obviously don't, at least on this forum. Still, I appreciate you typing this out and understand your message. I already wrote in the reply above that I locked the thread recently and am sorry for selling it here. Also, I wasn't just called out for the e-mails, so I still think this is a total joke.

Also, you say this is not the dark market(followers are not sold on the dark market lol, neither are mailing lists for advertising purposes), but still you advertise a mixer in your signature? Hillarious. You realize very well for what that's used mainly since normal users do not require that level of "privacy". Like I've said, don't be hypocrites guys.

But please, I'd like an answer from the OP regarding what I told him about gambling and about his moral compass or am I not allowed to question his behaviour?  ::)

Still waiting for the response.

Obviously his service consider spam for me. Especially selling email list. Question is from where  he got list. He is permitted to sold others email ? Usually email form any ICO or crypto related website. Email collected from scam ICO or hacked database. And it's not really a decent service.


There is not different sold and seeking for sold. You are advertising your service for sale. Where you buy from but question what is the source. It's can be handover. Just like you bought form others than you are seeking for sale. Do you have writing permission from that agency to sale email list ? Than same question will goes to agency. Eventually question goes to end user, I mean owner of email. Than obviously answers will no. Someone will never give permission to sale his email. On the other hand how you confirm that all email user is crypto user ?

I answered all of your questions in the above posts. Actually, there is a very big difference between selling and wanting to sell if you are already bringing that point up, but it's not important now. I've said what I had to say if someone really thinks this deserves a neg, so be it. Meanwhile, still waiting for the OP to answer me since he believes he's the right person to go around accusing people..

I would suggest everyone not to respond to Ludji's post, as they are trying to move this topic in other direction.

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Well, for something similar.

Before I opened this topic I looked something in my trust wall and I have found this account poutintsev (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1268093) which was tagged for buying such service(well, not by me, i tagged them for something similar...).

Reference(3 out of 4) is pointing to this thread:


It seems Ludji sold this service to poutintsev(account isn't mentioned):


I've found this post:

And also, Ludji is selling reddit accounts(it is somewhere in links provided in first post):


What is difference between seller and buyer in this case?

Yeah, I'm asking you to answer me, not anyone else. Nothing needs moving in another direction, members can say what they want about my case I can't stop them lol. I'm just interested in your answer? How is advertising gambling sites for money moral(since it's not legal in some places), but fake followers are not?

EDIT: Ah, thanks Lauda. I see you are the first to tag me. Good job losing another member.

Relative privation fallacy, false equivalence fallacy, appeal to emotion; you name it. ::)

There really isn't; buying or selling fraudulent market should face similar consequences.

I'm not sure why a thread was opened against this specific user but there are tons of similar threads in the Digital Goods/Services sections which offer exact same services. @Op, you should probably check them out and get them tagged as well.

Because they don't even know what they are doing. Let them have their power trip in peace since they don't even bother answering my question. This forum is going downhill for sure.

That's a non-argument. At any given point in time, there is an overwhelming amount of users that need to be tagged (but still aren't). If you have free time and are willing to, compile a list and post it here.

Will be my only reply here.

Gambling (and advertising it) isn't considered immoral. Everything is clear, and known in advance. Players expect to lose, some can win.
It's the player with himself only, really. Most (if not all) of crypto-related gambling websites, are provably fair.

Fake followers give a wrong, falsely boosted, picture of the project, and hence this is a deceitful strategy.
This is what crooks do, really. Deceive people.  ::)

Selling other people's personal details (in this case, their email address), without their knowledge or consent is inherently untrustworthy.

Fake views/likes/upvotes are exactly that - fake. Their only purpose is to deceive other users, which is again inherently untrustworthy.

Other users deserve a warning about this before conducting business with Ludji. The red trust is warranted IMO.



You still can be. You are not being banned.

You're a joke Lauda, your deflecting and avoiding any real answers has been brought to perfection. There's nothing to compile, all you have to do is type followers in the search bar. Your behavior is outright disgraceful and just shows how you long for authority and power. I'm glad I wasn't around when you were a staff member, that must have been a pain to watch.


It actually is. I don't know where you got that picture, maybe it helps you sleep at night since you also advertise them. The damage gambling does is horrific, maybe you'll learn that someday. Addicts are sick and you are fueling their addiction for a couple of bucks? "He'll gamble anyway" is not a valid argument. It's very possible for an addict to see your signature and relapse, believe it or not, so stop hiding behind statements like those.

Same can be said for drugs, you know what you're doing, nothing is hidden, "it's the player with himself only"?  ::) See the resemblance?


It's called marketing. Every fucking brand in the world has fake followers, but that's wrong it seems. I'm not to be trusted because I run a legit business, never scammed anyone, don't have negative reviews. Sure. What's the point of contributing when a wild DT member can piss on you whenever they want. Should I run an escrow service like Lauda? Should I join a gambling signature campaign if I want to earn money? This forum is a joke, the real cancer here are the power-hungry DT members, who can't stand anyone else with an opinion.


EDIT: Even the mods deleted my question to Lauda and marloboroza in this thread. It seems I stepped on someone toes here.

Here's a thread where a few Hero and Legendary members buy or ask about SMM services: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1937884.0


When will you tag them?

Nice work on avoiding the point that's painful to you, you culprit.
Keep up the work. You're gonna go far, kid.

Whatever makes you sleep better, buddy. Culprit? Kid?

You're a joke, the same is this forum. You attack me, but I just posted a thread where Legendary and Hero members do the same. Cowards and keyboard warriors, that's what the bunch of you are. Stroke your e-penis somewhere else loser.

EDIT: Hey yogg, so you were an account seller back in the day huh?  ::) Very nice!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1428184.msg14465685#msg14465685

You are free to read the whole thread this quote is from.
If you look long enough into anybody's history, you'll find probably always find things, as controversial they may be.
Your short lived history is already filled with things, and it isn't like you're saying "Oh okay, I thought I helped, just picked up implications, sorry" and move on.
If you would have been around back in the days, you'd know that trading accounts was pretty common.
It gradually became more and more controversial as the quantity of scams skyrocketed on the board. (Scams that your "service" is helping, by the way...)

Since then, never touched another account than mine (and my alt that I have tagued with a neutral from my main account, that I use from my phone).
I trade, I help around, I do stuff that makes people happy around me in an ethical way.

Can't really say the same about you, heh ?
Stop seeing the mote in other's eyes and look at the beam in your own. Trying to bring the focus from you and your spam service to other's won't work.

So now you're all better and ready to accuse other members who make the same mistake? You auctioned it off, you didn't care who you sold it to and that user got negged to the ground later, while you remain clean. Yeah, there were no scams back in the day, everyone was legit lol. You're full of shit mate and I just proved it. You just wait and wait, ready to jump at any new thread about someone, ready to give your "valuable" opinion. At least I never auctioned off a forum acc to the highest bidder.



Kind of got you there buddy.

Yeah, super legit to sell likes and spam. ::) and you did it like, now ? This wasn't 3 years ago.. and yes, account sales gradually became controversial, sorry to teach you that fact, kiddo.
Since you are so passionate about watching users, so you can talk about them, what about you ?
What else do you do, except from pumping scams on a massive scale considering the amount of different threads you made, and social media you deal with ?
If I'm full of shit, I wonder what that makes you full of, "mate" ?
This is an open forum. I am free to post whatever opinion I have, it hurts me to know it isn't "valuable" to your eyes.

I'm not sure. Given you know all that stuff, whose alt are you ? Hmm geez I wonder ...

You cannot compare what cannot be compared.

Account sales gradually became controversial? So you only oppose something if the circle jerk gang is against it? You don't have an opinion or moral compass of your own? Also, if you're trying to make a point using the word "kiddo", I don't get it.

Pumping scams on a massive scale? That's a bold statement and I don't see any proof to your claims.

Yes, you are free to post an opinion. But let me remind you:





Your 3 years ago might be mine now, but guess I don't deserve that chace, huh? Better call me a culprit, scam supporter and spammer now. You truly have grown over the years  ;)

Your service is deceiving people with fake comments, fake likes, fake upvotes.

Gambling is still legal in most countries in the world, as for countries with restrictions and/or where online/real gambling is illegal and for countries where bitcoin is illegal, this is irrelevant, as they are not allowed to play/gamble with bitcoin anyway.

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Thanks for your opinions, locking this topic because it is spammed with off topic replies.