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Title: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: Hanbok on September 18, 2018, 03:39:14 PM
Google Translate is allowed or not?
When i am writing this article i am using Google Translate, Because I can not use English fluently.
I know English is a popular language in the world, but not everyone can use them, so why are most people unhappy about them? I know using google translation is not right, it's not full of meaning but there is no other way when english is not our native tongue. I would also like to accompany and develop with the people on this forum, but my article uses gg translators to be able to speak out my mind. But some members are not satisfied. I do not know whether to continue or not
https://i.imgur.com/G5aq03p.png


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: DdmrDdmr on September 18, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
See the rules: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

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27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

The anwer is therefore simply no..

Note: Even though you redacted the image, TMAN is recognizable from miles away...


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: OmegaStarScream on September 18, 2018, 03:51:33 PM
Sections were created to organize the forums. If you can't speak English properly, just post in your local board.

If you make some mistakes, that's fine but using Google translate for the whole thing will just result in having a non understandable post.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: Hanbok on September 18, 2018, 03:57:21 PM
See the rules: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

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27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

The anwer is therefore simply no..

Note: Even though you redacted the image, TMAN is recognizable from miles away...


I also understand that is the rule but they do not ban because too many people can not use english, so it is mandatory to use google translate

so that you can also recognize.
https://i.imgur.com/LFOle9M.jpg


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: DdmrDdmr on September 18, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
Recently I has a chat with some people that went to Japan for their holidays. Command of English is apparently very low or non-existent for many people there, and the people I chatted with used google translate on their phones to communicate (and seemed to get away with it). In some contexts, the tool is great and even I’ve needed it for an occasional word that I want to use, but that comes to my mind in Spanish rather than in English. It can help you to a certain degree for sure.

Nevertheless, the point is that, to post on an English board, you have to be understood well enough the first time round. Nobody want’s to go around second guessing what the OP wants to say, as will likely happen when using an automated translator. The tool often chooses words that are correct, but semantically or grammatically misplaced. That throws everyone off their feet. If command of English is not fairly good, it is best to stick to local boards. A mean, I would not go and try to post in the Russian section for example, using google translate, and expect to have a round of applause. I would use it to go to Japan or to help me out with a specific word every now and then.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: Theb on September 18, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Any kind of translation tool is bad even the ones from Google as it fails to make your sentence construction right it only translates your language to English word for word but it doesn't adjust their positions or correct the grammar of what you are trying to say making your translated text hard to understand to other people. Any incomprehensible post brought by the translation tool is really not contributing anything to the forum and members would more than likely take time to understand what you are saying which most of them fail to do so and they are not the ones to be blamed at it.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: rhomelmabini on September 18, 2018, 04:53:50 PM
I guess I do read that topic somewhere in Meta section and it's from TMAN. He's just stating not to purely rely on Google Translate and I guess in regards with English proficiency many good Samaritans here in forum do some initiative to overcome it by posting or giving some tutorials, you can rely on Jet Cash's thread about it. Give some time to learn English especially in written communication but you can do verbal if you want. I guess it may not be a must but it somehow an obligation as this forum is reliant on English language(you may exclude local sections)

Edit: https://fittotalk.com/english-talk/index.php credits to Jet Cash


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: dee_x17 on September 18, 2018, 05:10:56 PM
things you've should know, Google Translate is bad for comunicating. This forum want to minimalize using Bad Language (misunderstanding).
you can try private lesson or try talking english in your real life.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: MandexTer on September 19, 2018, 11:29:42 AM
things you've should know, Google Translate is bad for comunicating. This forum want to minimalize using Bad Language (misunderstanding).
you can try private lesson or try talking english in your real life.
Well. What should I do? I want to join the bounty campaign.  ANN TOPIC and  BOUNTY TOPIC written in english. No russian translation. How can I ask a question and get an answer? Keep in mind - no more than 10% of all topics have russian translation. What should I do? I use Google translator.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: jerick06 on September 19, 2018, 12:37:52 PM
I guess I do read that topic somewhere in Meta section and it's from TMAN. He's just stating not to purely rely on Google Translate
I agree to this. Do not rely on google translate because it doesn't give you a proper english translation of a certain phrase. They often give you wrong grammatical phrases and sometimes the meaning of the phrase that you translated is different from what you are about to express. I use google translate when I forgot an english word of a certain word and I find google translate useful for this circumtances. I advise you to use grammarly for grammar checking.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: nastyagav on October 21, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
The question is really good, I think that using a translator when you do not know English is very good.
I myself use this option, as you can see, everything works fine.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: S_Therapist on October 22, 2018, 04:37:59 AM
For writing, no translator can give you the exact texts what you have meant. Most of the time, the whole meaning of the input text will be changed and sometimes there might be something so wrong that people will misunderstand you.
So, it's better not to use any kinda translator. You should try yourself. Also, if you feel your English isn't so good, you can get help from fittotalk by Jet Cash.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: Comino on October 22, 2018, 06:08:12 AM
The post you made here uses quite simple and useable phrases, which are well understood and correctly translated. But as soon as you will start posting on specific themes with thermonology, the translation will be so ridiculous.. As soon as you can see that and make it readable enough, I guess, that is ok. Otherwise, no one wants to read absurd texts.
Try, pull up you language, make it one of your crypto-goals! Good luck!


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: vphasitha01 on October 22, 2018, 06:56:24 AM
English should be the main language since bitcointalk is an international forum. So what I'm suggesting is try to learn English rather complaining about its difficulty. You don't need to be a master of English language in order to participate in the discussions going on the forum. Following links will help you to learn English. 

  • Collections for someone who would like to improve English skills (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3864751.0) (by tbct_mt2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1096237))
  • https://www.duolingo.com/course/en/ar/Learn-English-Online (https://www.duolingo.com/course/en/ar/Learn-English-Online)

Install Grammarly Chrome extension (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/grammarly-for-chrome/kbfnbcaeplbcioakkpcpgfkobkghlhen?hl=en) for your chrome browser and it also would help you to correct the grammar mistakes.

BTW English is also not my native language



Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: Steinway-Bobb on October 22, 2018, 07:20:23 AM
Not to worried about that , google can not completely translate for you with perfect word or grammar , but people can understand what your main mean,


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: odolvlobo on October 22, 2018, 08:59:11 AM
I find that posts translated by google translate are frequently hard to read and I don't feel like spending the time it takes to unscramble the translated text.

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Я нaxoжy, чтo cooбщeния, пepeвeдeнныe google translate, чacтo тpyднo читaть, и я нe xoчy тpaтить вpeмя, зaтpaчивaeмoe нa paзбopкy пepeвeдeннoгo тeкcтa.

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我发现谷歌翻译翻译的帖子经常难以阅读,我不想花时间解读翻译的文本

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Nakikita ko na ang mga post na naisalin sa pamamagitan ng google translate ay madalas na mahirap basahin at hindi ko nais na gumugol ng oras na kinakailangan upang ipaliwanag ang isinalin na teksto.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: BQ on October 22, 2018, 09:10:11 AM
things you've should know, Google Translate is bad for comunicating. This forum want to minimalize using Bad Language (misunderstanding).
you can try private lesson or try talking english in your real life.
Well. What should I do? I want to join the bounty campaign.  ANN TOPIC and  BOUNTY TOPIC written in english. No russian translation. How can I ask a question and get an answer? Keep in mind - no more than 10% of all topics have russian translation. What should I do? I use Google translator.

well while it's a odd situation, if the rules state that you are not allowed to use automated translations, it's for a reason. probably because a complete translation 90% of the time makes little to no sense.
so, perhaps it's time to realize that the content you post obviously is supposed to be read by Other People, and if they can't understand it, it's not a good post.
it's not just about posting to increase your post count.


Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: stompix on October 22, 2018, 09:30:57 AM
The question is really good, I think that using a translator when you do not know English is very good.
I myself use this option, as you can see, everything works fine.

Everything is fine?

A simple rule, a friend, respect other users on the forum, do not be hamy, do not affect other nationalities - and no one will ever bury you like that. And if they are touched, write on the forum that they respected others and did not touch anyone - and they will unban you. Good luck on the forum, brother ;)

It's so obvious you're doing it and it's so obvious you have simply no clue what you've just posted there!!
Hamy, bury, touch...what's this, a guide to necrophilia?







Title: Re: Google Translate, what is wrong when I can not use fluent English
Post by: gentlemand on October 22, 2018, 10:10:17 AM
The question is really good, I think that using a translator when you do not know English is very good.
I myself use this option, as you can see, everything works fine.

It is not fine, really.

Looking at your other posts, they're all shite. And the thing is that you have no way of knowing they're shit but it's painfully obvious to the several hundred million people out there who actually can use English.

It's always obvious when someone is using translation tools. If I came to the foreign language boards and started doing the same I'd quickly be told to go away.