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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5035789.0
Please I'll like the moderators to go through this thread and tell me if it deserves a red trust
  Any post made my newbies is tagged as merit begging,i only made researches and put down my observations as it could be helpful for newcomers in here
 And I get a red trust...
Please let us be fair

1) This should be in reputation - not meta

2) Trust is un-moderated.  The only one that can remove it is the person who placed it.

3) If he is annoyed with your posting habits then posting these complaint threads are going to be useless.

So anyone can just give out a red trust arbitrarily or at his or her own discretion...wow

Yeah, trust ain't moderated.

But, do you think the thread you created is in anyway contributing? No.

There is nothing to research, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

It's just another spam topic and posting it on Meta makes it look like you're doing it to get merits and not once.

You also did post this topic first on Meta, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034404.msg45979866

What's the purpose of creating multiple threads when you don't have anything new to add? It's just spamming and doing it on Meta is merit spam.

Very funny reasons indeed...
  That's your own discretion,your belief except of course you're a soothsayer,did I ever include I wanted a merit in the post,most times the way you all leap to the defense of the high ranked members is sickening....
  Newbies are always wrong, while you guys are always right....wow,very interesting

Can we for a second stop complaining about merit begging spam, and consider the spam complaining about merit begging spam.
It's all just the same repetitive posts complaining about newbies.

You say that like it's a flaw. That's the entire purpose of the trust system - unmoderated, and at the users' discretion. That's why most DTs have a trust page filled with retaliatory feedback from raging scammers.

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Absolutely. Meta is a shit show right now. Between the merit beggars, those praising the new system in a hope to get merit, those complaining about the new system, those posting guides on how to get merit, and those complaining about all the aforementioned categories, it's hard to find a decent topic.

Just wait a week or two for the rage to pass. It was the same in January/February.

So for a second forget about defending a fellow High ranked member and tell me what the red trust is for on that thread..
  Absolutely no plagiarism,no abusive words,he gave the red trust simply because I said if he doesnt like a thread he should ignore it
  I think rules in here need to be changed.
So I cannot make a post without been tagged a merit beggar huh

At no point did I defend Vod, who is more than capable of defending himself. I simply pointed out that your complaint against unmoderated trust is a moot point because the trust system was purposefully designed to be unmoderated. Whether or not I agree with Vod's rating on you is irrelevant.

I'll love to see him come into this thread and state his biased reason for giving me a red trust..
  This is a vendetta against lower ranked members and it's unacceptable

Do spammers posting intentionally with the purpose of getting merit explicitly add that they want merit? No. It's kind of obvious.

Apart from this thread, "One merited post>15 shit", the two threads you created on Meta were moved to beginners and both having repetitive content. Why create threads when you don't even understand which is the right board to post or is it a spam topic or has already been discussed? And I'm not defending anyone.

A funny fact is these days higher ranked members throw merit about to other higher ranked members for any sarcastic comment against the so called 'merit beggars'. And then turn round and tell lower ranked members, 'go make quality posts or you ain't getting anything'.

The double standard in here is on another level.
Best to stay on read only mode for now.

But couldn't ignore this.
A community where anyone can tag you a potential scammer and you can do nothing about it, since only the person can take it off. Or maybe they expect you'd go and beg the person.
Someone didn't think something through. Buy well let's act like the only issue is the newbies, and how to make the forum unfavorable for them

The thread you created is pointless, but the feedback also seems kinda harsh. I'm sure vod will consider removing it, especially if you contribute something of value here (other than just copy and pasting pointless facts into a nonsense thread).  


I wouldn't say it's a vendetta against lower ranked members, but shitposters, who have single-handedly ruined this forum, so you can understand why some people are frustrated with all the lazy spam here.


I'd rather be entertained than have to read some barely decipherable drivel from someone who is only posting to either gain merit or get paid. Maybe they should join in with the fun. Probably the only way some of these users will actually ever get any merit.


When you get some merit maybe you can throw op one his way?

I think someone doesn't know the purpose of red trust,since the merits system could be reconsidered,i think arbitrary red trust should also fall under the radar...
  Red trust specifically designed to warn and dissuade individuals from trading with supposedly scammers..
  And I get one for making a post,and you say it's unmoderated, wow very interesting,this is an open forum and I think since the new merits system the newbies have always been picked on
  "begging for merit" was the source of my red trust,where did i state in my post that vod should offer me one

Before the 1 merit requirements for newbies we had the occasional newbie wander into Meta.

Now the first two or three pages are filled with newbies making posts with the sole intent of getting merit.

Surely regurgitating statistics that are better displayed on the statistics pages is not of any value to anyone.

I would question whether it isn't plagiarism. It is clearly some copy and pasting from sources that you haven't referenced.

Please can you help us with facts of copy and paste..
  So it's no longer for merit begging but plagiarism..
  Wow,so innovative

That thread was a garbage topic in a thread that's been flooded with garbage topics by noobs who may as well be stating the weather conditions.  I'm tired of it, and apparently Vod was too--enough so that he gave you a neg.  I applaud him for doing that and I hope he continues to do so.

You didn't have to.  Posting a poorly-written thread in Meta regurgitating facts that no one cares to read is the equivalent of begging for merits.

I guess you all can have the forum to yourselfs
  So injustice filled

 It is clearly some copy and pasting from sources that you haven't referenced.

If you copy information from somewhere you have to reference it.

The way it is presented it looks like it is a hurried mish-mash of copy and paste from different un-referenced sources.


Also your previous posts and knowledge of the forum indicate that this is an alt account of a seasoned bounty hunter. Your previous posts in merit related topics show that merit certainly has been on your mind immediately prior to posting that topic.

https://i.imgur.com/eIaIhrl.png

https://i.imgur.com/kcmrv4Y.png

https://i.imgur.com/LDAFV61.png

https://i.imgur.com/BEmjY6j.png

Lack of bounty reports indicate an alt or alts. Tell me I am wrong.  ;D

Oh how I wish that we could. :)

Of course you do,i really wonder who exactly is killing the forum

First your thread isn't belongs to meta. Please move it on Reputation board from lower left. Second trust isn't moderated by forum, so asking to moderators doesn't hold any weight. Third your posted topic that for you got red trust isn't holding much value. You just creat list, there isn't no link to click or no option visit their profile. No clear information on your thread.

Actually Vod should tag you for shitposting. There is nothing informative. You just copy paste total thread. Obviously you just try to gain merit, that's why vod tag you for merit reasone.


Rank isn't important for meriting. Important is quality and useful. Obviously you should made constructive and quality post in order to gain merit. Not post only just for increase activity. To be honest I can't see any meritable post on your profile. Most of post is too short. You made them on 2/3 line cleverly. Actually it could be post only one line. I will consider you one liner.

Correct. But only a few people are on DT. And you won't find many people who disagree with Vod's ratings in general.
From what I've seen, he's very willing to remove some ratings again after a while.

Didn't he do that already? See your trust summary (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2370561).

Sarcasm is a great way to show that you understand what you're talking about. And after many times friendly responses, people do become sarcastic if users keep making dumb posts.

Sure you do...
  So much for a decentralized system
Where high ranked members are always right
 So so nice

It's pretty obvious to all except the spambies. At the moment the forum is on life support, and many of us are trying to ensure that it isn't turned off. It isn't helped by the fact that so many spambies are depriving the boards of oxygen.

This your post is unhelpful and pointless as my thread I guess...
  To be fair you also need a red trust since that's how things work in here

?? Do I need to post more?

You just described my feelings here!!!

To the OP, just don't act so ignorant. There are people in here that have been for years building this site. Of course, they deserve some consideration, even though not all of them are decent ones. Your red-trusted post was an insult to anyone's intelligence. If you can't see that, maybe this is not a place for you to be in, that' s all.

In this thread:

Newbie who has been on the forum for 2 weeks tells users who have helped build the forum for the last 4-7 years that they are "killing the forum".

I rest my case...
  It's impossible to win you guys,you've been here longer..
 I'm leaving this forum for good
  Goodluck!!!

People who say they are leaving a forum never seem to go, they seem to hang on hoping that they will be noticed.

Those who actually leave just go, and they usually shut the door quietly.

What's the purpose of staying in a forum where everything you do is wrong
 You make a post;you are begging for merits
You clear your spam posts; any one without a spam post is looking for merits
 You make a post:you get a red trust
You complain;everyone keeps going round in circles never accepting a high ranked member was wrong..
 It's obvious the forum is for those who've ranked up
 And there is no chance in hell a newbie will make it that far

The question that always comes to mind when I read posts like the above from noobs:  Why are you so concerned about newbies being inhibited from ranking up?  First of all, it isn't true.  We were all newbies at some point and every member you see with a rank higer than Jr. Member has ranked up.  Second, rank is only important here because you can earn more money having a higher rank.  Low-ranked members can still fully contribute and can learn everything there is to know about bitcoin.

Thus, members complaining about how they can't rank up get infinitesimally close to zero in the amount of sympathy they generate.

Lets step back to the 1970s for an analogy.

If you wanted to become a toolmaker, you didn't just turn on a lathe and start chopping away at metal. If you did that you would certainly mess up the work, you could damage the lathe, and you could even lose a hand or your life. What you did was to learn about the tools and their operation. You would take advice and educations from the craftsmen,and start with simple projects.

Gaining the most from Bitcoin Talk requires you to understand the tools that are available here, and to work with the many helpful members to master their use. The fact that it requires mental skills rather than physical skills doesn't really make it any different.

Nope. There are too many members here who climbed up to the top after the Merit System was introduced. They've just used their heads on how they can stand against or stand with the older higher members of these community.

I really hope so too, the registration for new members here on bitcointalk should be paused.

theyoungmillionaire is one example of those who made it on the ranks. I guess you're full of negativities in your mind fella.

@OP , Vod  has described his negative trust removal policy here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=887515.0

-ve trust given by Vod is only removed by Vod. If you keep arguing that your "shitpost" is a very constructive post, I think other DT might also tag you.
Delete that post, go though some Posting Tips (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4667594.0).

You should be happy that you are not reported for Plagiarism , which brings permanent ban.
Excerpts from posting tip thread

Those people do it for attention.

How many times now has Quickseller said he was leaving?   ::)

I doubt he'll be going anywhere. He'll either just create a new account and learn from his mistakes or just abandon this one and fire up one of his half a dozen alts he's been farming.


A truly quality poster would have no problem in rising through the ranks as we saw with nullius, but it's next to impossible for a shitposter to get anywhere past Member now. One merit is easy to get and most will manage that whether they beg, buy, trade or steal it, but they're not going to be able to achieve or afford to buy 100 merits to become a Full Member.

Just stop and think this forum was put here the inform "newbies" "jr members" "members"full members" and so on. making a post the informs someone or educate them on crypto is valued!
complaining and pissing and moaning will get you no where.

Stay read, ask and become informed

Kind of  :D This user just started posting after the new rules announced back in September 17 while the account were created back in August 30. An alt account probably and were trying to receive more than 1 merit to send merits to his/her main account that might be a demoted Jr. Member for now. This is only my instinct but I feel like I'm 100% correct  ;D

So if someone does not do bounty reports they are considered an alt. account? As I have said before I had a signature tag because I supported the project, am I wrong for not doing a bounty report?

No - because your post history clearly shows that you have genuine conversations and a post history that does not appear to coincide with the introduction of the new merit requirement for Jr Members.

The type of posts and complaints the user was making indicate they have been a member for longer than they had their account.

Also have a look at the screenshots I posted of his posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5035816.msg46061810#msg46061810) . He is advising others to clear their spam because it will affect getting merit.

Obsessed with merit + no real posts prior to merit requirement + knowledge on how to manipulate the system = likely alt of a spammer.

Thanks for the great insight! I'm trying learn how to spot scammers and alt. accounts to learn how to judge giving merit to users(learn before doing)