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Title: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 06:28:25 AM 6.11.2018 HODLER TECH hardware wallet will make an airdrop of 2,000 USD worth of bitcoin for testers.
About the project: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032817 Telegram group for the Airdrop https://t.me/HODLER_TECH_IN ** COPY & PASTE from the rules in Telegram https://t.me/HODLER_TECH_IN We'd like to invite you all to take part in the HODLER Wallet infrastructure tests. The total sum to be won this time is 2,000 USD worth of bitcoin. Every one of you has an equal chance to grab some of this money. On 6.11.2018 in we will publish backups (including passwords) to 100 wallets, with 20USD worth of bitcoin on each of them. The total sum of the prizes is 2,000 USD. All you have to do in order to win this money is join our Telegram group where the backups will be published ( https://telegram.me/HODLER_TECH_IN ), have HODLER Wallet installed, use it to restore a backup as fast as you can, and send the stored money to your own address. There's no limit to how many wallets one person can take funds from, so if you're quick there's a lot of money to be made. The minimum number of people required for these tests to start is 5,000, but for them to give fully reliable results we would like around 10,000 people to participate. That's why we encourage you to share this information about the tests everywhere you can. ** FEEL FREE TO GIVE FEEDBACK EDIT The team say: We will also publish wallet backups on Twitter, but in the first place they will be on Telegram https://twitter.com/HODLER_TECH http://webmasteren.dk/hodler.jpg Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: mocacinno on September 27, 2018, 06:33:29 AM I'm defenately interested in testing your wallet, however i don't use telegram (don't like to give out my phone number, don't like to use a fake number either).
Is there any other way to see the rules and/or register? Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 07:00:48 AM I'm defenately interested in testing your wallet, however i don't use telegram (don't like to give out my phone number, don't like to use a fake number either). Is there any other way to see the rules and/or register? It is not to get sign up etc to Telegram. But because all the wallets get posted there in one big drop. I will ask the team if they could post other places as well. You can see the Telegram without signing up I think. But will be a little harder to be there in time if you don't have alert. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: NeuroticFish on September 27, 2018, 07:10:10 AM 10k users is quite a big goal. I don't have right now access to telegram to see the rules, but you'll have to enforce there's no fraud. Maybe escrowing your funds too.
Also, you should make your mind or make it clear. You wrote 1 week at start and 2-3 weeks later. PS. Of course, I'm interested by the new wallet and I may test it. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 07:12:54 AM The team say:
We will also publish wallet backups on Twitter, but in the first place they will be on Telegram https://twitter.com/HODLER_TECH Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 07:17:53 AM >10k users is quite a big goal.
Yes in my eyes to optimistic. But a goal is sometimes what you hope for ;D >Maybe escrowing your funds too. They have paid me so many times that I am not that worried about that. Sometimes escrowing just give a extra layer where things could go wrong. Would be a little weird to risk a million $ project for 2000$. Can say they testet with less users a month back. All wallets had the funds and was claimed på different users from bitcointalk. But will ask. I find out with the weeks confusion. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 07:23:46 AM On request here are the rules from Telegram:
We'd like to invite you all to take part in the HODLER Wallet infrastructure tests. The total sum to be won this time is 2,000 USD worth of bitcoin. Every one of you has an equal chance to grab some of this money. On 6.11.2018 in we will publish backups (including passwords) to 100 wallets, with 20USD worth of bitcoin on each of them. The total sum of the prizes is 2,000 USD. All you have to do in order to win this money is join our Telegram group where the backups will be published (https://telegram.me/HODLER_TECH_IN ), have HODLER Wallet installed, use it to restore a backup as fast as you can, and send the stored money to your own address. There's no limit to how many wallets one person can take funds from, so if you're quick there's a lot of money to be made. The minimum number of people required for these tests to start is 5,000, but for them to give fully reliable results we would like around 10,000 people to participate. That's why we encourage you to share this information about the tests everywhere you can. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 07:27:52 AM This is exact date: 6.11.2018
Sorry for confusion I have fixed the dates. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: LoyceV on September 27, 2018, 07:33:42 AM I'm defenately interested in testing your wallet You should probably read this and other warnings in their thread before installing software from untrusted sources:Being "Controled by Linux OS" provides no security. Please go into the more technical details of your security process (assuming you have one) My bet: This is going to be some Android phone (Linux) with as many Wallet apps from Google Play installed as possible. Their whitepaper is full of marketing bs, or they are just very uninformed. Let's begin: Quote The current market of hardware wallets, generally considered the safest format of all available, is dominated by Ledger Nano S and Trezor. Unfortunately, they both require connecting to a computer, which is often inconvenient and can compromise security, as the computer is the security weak link. Both the Ledger and Trezor are safe with infected computers, due to their design. Provide some info about why the computer is the weak link, and tell me why no viruses have been written to steal coins from my Trezor so far (minus phishing). Why are the only vulnerabilities (now patched) require physical address to the device, doing things such as freezing it, (https://medium.com/@Zero404Cool/frozen-trezor-data-remanence-attacks-de4d70c9ee8c) or opening it up? (https://medium.com/@Zero404Cool/trezor-security-glitches-reveal-your-private-keys-761eeab03ff8) Why are people bothering with hacking the hardware using somewhat extreme cases instead of just making a program? Quote A user has fallen prey to phishing and installed spyware on the device. This is not possible with HODLER. The device cannot install third party applications, thanks to a specially designed operating system. With time, and a Wifi accessible device, surely a bypass could be found? Nintendo Switch was designed to not allow 3rd party applications, yet people have had success getting Linux working on it. (https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/2/19/17029916/nintendo-switch-hack-linux-fail0verflow) Quote Private keys have been stolen from the backup in the cloud. Again, not possible with HODLER something something Bitfinex hack something something shapeshift hack something something coincheck hack something something etc Claiming something in the cloud isn't hackable is wrong. Quote Private keys have been stolen during the execution of a backup from unsecured public WIFI network. Impossible. The channel used to transfer the backup is point-to-point encrypted. Point to point encryption has been cracked in the past. (https://www.computerworld.com/article/2505117/cyberwarfare/tools-released-at-defcon-can-crack-widely-used-pptp-encryption-in-under-a-day.html) What future knowledge do you have to know that your encryption is safe from everything, even quantum computing and space aliens? Quote Breaking into a device through the network. Unrealistic, due to a dedicated operating system with its own very restrictive security features and automatic ‘switch offline’ mode between payments. Surprised you didn't call this one impossible. Care to elaborate on the security measures used? (archive of thread, as I left negative trust feedback) (https://archive.is/66J9H) I consider this extremely shady, or intentionally misleading investors and customers at the very least. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: CoolWave on September 27, 2018, 07:37:11 AM The team say: We will also publish wallet backups on Twitter, but in the first place they will be on Telegram https://twitter.com/HODLER_TECH I am going to download and test it but this LINK (https://hodler.tech/download/Windows/) should have some good graphics . I will updated this post with some reviews . 10k is indeed a big goal . I always support companies having own blockchain . @LoyceV Quote You should probably read this and other warnings in their thread before installing software from untrusted sources: So this flaw can be recognised by AVS antivirus ? Update : Windows wallet downloaded, looks good as of now . https://i.imgur.com/lGshMpI.png Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 07:38:02 AM @LoyceV
The source code are open source. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032817 I have not looked because I don't have the skills. Have seen a few very skilled people look. The info you post are from ICO where people is more skeptical. Of course. Have followed the project because I invested and earned tokens for small tasks. I my eyes they build more and more trust. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: mocacinno on September 27, 2018, 07:38:37 AM I'm defenately interested in testing your wallet You should probably read this and other warnings in their thread before installing software from untrusted sources:Thanks for the warning... I usually install untrusted apps on an old phone whose speaker died a long time ago tough, so it shouldn't be a real issue to test out their wallet :) But you're right: as a public announcement i'd like to state that it's not because i'm willing to test an app on an old phone that it should be considered safe for other people to do the same!!! Use your own judgement before installing anything on a phone that is being actively used! Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 07:46:09 AM I am going to download and test it but this LINK (https://hodler.tech/download/Windows/) should have some good graphics . I will updated this post with some reviews . 10k is indeed a big goal. I always support companies having own blockchain. Link for download https://hodler.tech >I always support companies having own blockchain. If you mean the HDL tokens. It is ERC20. NO FUNDS OF ANY KIND NEEDED TO GET THE BTC DROP. They post the keys etc and the fast and skilled just claim it and transfer it where they want. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 07:59:30 AM I will updated this post with some reviews 8) If possible could you post the reviews here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032817 Of cause if any problems and worries here is fine as well. But to get feedback on your review please use https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032817 Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: CoolWave on September 27, 2018, 08:30:12 AM I will updated this post with some reviews 8) If possible could you post the reviews here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032817 Of cause if any problems and worries here is fine as well. But to get feedback on your review please use https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032817 I have made a review here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032817.new#new I wish you all the best , please take care of the above quote by @LoyceV and add more security to that wallet . Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 08:33:03 AM I have made a review here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032817.new#new I wish you all the best , please take care of the above quote by @LoyceV and add more security to that wallet . I know the team appreciate all feedback. Hope you join the BTC Airdrop later. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: DarkStar_ on September 27, 2018, 03:19:01 PM Anyone know what permissions the Android app requires?
Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 03:31:23 PM Anyone know what permissions the Android app requires? I have asked team to reply Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 27, 2018, 03:52:36 PM Anyone know what permissions the Android app requires? One from team say Camera Internet Read Write Internal Storage Vibrate Exact list is available in Google Play description In Android 6.0+ these permissions are switchable at runtime So you can deny or allow eg. Camera permission while accessing qr code reader Reply here https://t.me/HODLER_TECH_IN Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: NeuroticFish on September 28, 2018, 06:08:44 AM You should probably read this and other warnings in their thread before installing software from untrusted sources: Thanks for the warnings and concerns. I also wanted to install onto an older phone I don't use anymore, but after reading this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3070336) I decided it doesn't worth my time. Not very important, however, also the way they give out the prizes is easy to abuse. There's a great chance all the prizes will be redeemed by the same person, possibly from their own team. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 28, 2018, 06:20:35 AM What is needed to gain trust for the competition?
How should a team member claim the BTC? Wallets will be posted public so can’t see how to cheat. One person could get more than one thats right. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: mocacinno on September 28, 2018, 06:51:29 AM What is needed to gain trust for the competition? How should a team member claim the BTC? Wallets will be posted public so can’t see how to cheat. One person could get more than one thats right. Well, there's always the possibility the team already exported all private keys before the wallets were posted, maybe even generated transactions beforehand to spend all unspent outputs controlled by those 100 wallets but didn't broadcast them yet. After all, they were the ones that generated those wallets and funded them... So they have the wallet file and the password, nobody can prove wether or not they exported any keys. If they wait 10 or 15 seconds after they've published the wallets untill they broadcast the pregenerated spending transactions, nobody will be able to prove they claimed everything themselfs. After all, it could be a member of the public who wrote a script to download the wallet files, decrypt them, export the private keys, generate a spending transaction and broadcast these transactions just a couple of seconds after the wallets were posted. The wallet is open source, it shouldn't be to hard to reverse engineer the encryption and write a script to decrypt those password protected wallets + rip the xprv or private keys automatically. I'm not saying that this is what they'll do, i'm just listing a potential abuse scenario... There are ways to create a fair distribution, i'm not convinced this one. Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 28, 2018, 06:58:05 AM So the team use +100 hours promoting to take 2k$ they already have?
Come on guys 😀 Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: mocacinno on September 28, 2018, 08:00:07 AM So the team use +100 hours promoting to take 2k$ they already have? Come on guys 😀 I'm defenately not accusing them, and I'm pretty sure they mean well... However, I don't think that the fact they've invested a lot of their time is a valid argument for a flawed airdrop distribution model. $2k is $2k, and since there is no "provable fair" distribution method (as a matter of fact it's pretty easy for them to cheat) there is no way of being sure everything is distributed fairly. I also think the argument of "some people being able to claim a couple wallets" is not just. I'm not going to invest my time in cheating, but i guess it wouldn't be to hard to: - write a bot that monitors the project's telegram channel - as soon as the wallets are posted, the bot will download them, together with the passwords - as soon as a wallet is downloaded, he can use a script to automatically decrypt the wallet and export the xprv and first private key - the script can then create a transaction that spends all funds in the wallet, and immediately broadcast said transaction to a lot of nodes. I'm pretty sure that if a dedicated, knowledgeable thirth world programmer (because, let's face it, for somebody in a first world country, the $2k might not be worth the time you'd have to invest) really put his mind to this, he could grab all hundred wallets before honest participants even get the chance to download, open and spend from a single wallet... Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: JanEmil on September 28, 2018, 08:17:47 AM Not that simple. I tried to claim last time. It was complicated.
Some QR, some Hodler wallet passwords, some privat keys. And some thing I did not find out. Monday I will try to ask if some lucky/smart people from last time could post here. Budget year ending at work to day. So time is limited to day. If you scroll up here you can see it https://t.me/HODLER_TECH_IN Title: Re: Testers needed for wallet - no payment - but prize money to win (2000$) Post by: HODLER_TECH on October 01, 2018, 07:24:51 PM We are sorry that you think that the competition may be unfair. During previous competitions with smaller amounts, they were organized in such a way that the amounts in the wallets did not have any confirmations, which gave equal opportunities to everyone. We are currently planning to publish the first few backups in the same way and the rest in one roll. If the transaction is unconfirmed, each person has an equal chance of sending a transaction to his address, if we send 50 backups at once, no one is able to open them simultaneously, even our developers.
We care about honest competition, the amount is not huge, but for many people it is good money, for us it is a low price for testing the performance of servers loaded with real users. These types of social tests will be repeated regularly. We hope you will join us. |
