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Title: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on September 29, 2018, 02:58:02 PM
http://fortune.com/2018/09/28/house-3-8-trillion-tax-cut-passes/

Jesus christ.

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The House’s new bill takes effect starting in 2025, and would add $600 billion to the national debt within the next decade, and then $3.2 trillion in the 10 years after that, according to Howard Gleckman of the Tax Policy Center.
Fucking GOP man, the fiscally conservative group are literally looting the coffers. These guys need to get the fuck out of office. Some of these corrupt fuckers needed hanged.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: Spendulus on September 29, 2018, 04:26:15 PM
http://fortune.com/2018/09/28/house-3-8-trillion-tax-cut-passes/

Jesus christ.

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The House’s new bill takes effect starting in 2025, and would add $600 billion to the national debt within the next decade, and then $3.2 trillion in the 10 years after that, according to Howard Gleckman of the Tax Policy Center.
Fucking GOP man, the fiscally conservative group are literally looting the coffers. These guys need to get the fuck out of office. Some of these corrupt fuckers needed hanged.
Good work, you fucking used fuck in every fucking sentence.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on September 29, 2018, 08:24:58 PM
http://fortune.com/2018/09/28/house-3-8-trillion-tax-cut-passes/

Jesus christ.

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The House’s new bill takes effect starting in 2025, and would add $600 billion to the national debt within the next decade, and then $3.2 trillion in the 10 years after that, according to Howard Gleckman of the Tax Policy Center.
Fucking GOP man, the fiscally conservative group are literally looting the coffers. These guys need to get the fuck out of office. Some of these corrupt fuckers needed hanged.
Good work, you fucking used fuck in every fucking sentence.

Fucking Jesus Christ.

You're not entirely wrong. Hopefully the senate stops this shit. Probably not, because the simple majority consists of fucking assclowns.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: Dig Bicks on October 01, 2018, 12:54:54 AM
Is this really a surprise? Democrats and Republicans are the same, they just put on a show for all the stupid sheep.  They want big military and they only serve interests of corporations and wealthy billionaires.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on October 01, 2018, 01:04:35 AM
Is this really a surprise? Democrats and Republicans are the same, they just put on a show for all the stupid sheep.  They want big military and they only serve interests of corporations and wealthy billionaires.

The false equivalency argument is getting kinda annoying. When one party overwhelming and continuously votes one way and the other party votes the other way, it's pretty fucking obvious who to blame.

When people say "oh no! it's both sides" and throw their hands up in the air, they're just giving up for no real reason. They're fall to the status quo and people shouldn't just accept the status quo.

It's pretty interesting that one party's trying to progress and the other party's trying to revert.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: Dig Bicks on October 01, 2018, 01:18:08 AM
Is this really a surprise? Democrats and Republicans are the same, they just put on a show for all the stupid sheep.  They want big military and they only serve interests of corporations and wealthy billionaires.

The false equivalency argument is getting kinda annoying. When one party overwhelming and continuously votes one way and the other party votes the other way, it's pretty fucking obvious who to blame.

When people say "oh no! it's both sides" and throw their hands up in the air, they're just giving up for no real reason. They're fall to the status quo and people shouldn't just accept the status quo.

It's pretty interesting that one party's trying to progress and the other party's trying to revert.

Your wrong, they are the same.  The different voting is all just a show they put on.

In the end they wll want big military and to keep the fiat fractional lending bullshit monetary system.

You know who really makes the laws? Billionaires like the Koch Brothers


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on October 01, 2018, 02:01:26 AM
Is this really a surprise? Democrats and Republicans are the same, they just put on a show for all the stupid sheep.  They want big military and they only serve interests of corporations and wealthy billionaires.

The false equivalency argument is getting kinda annoying. When one party overwhelming and continuously votes one way and the other party votes the other way, it's pretty fucking obvious who to blame.

When people say "oh no! it's both sides" and throw their hands up in the air, they're just giving up for no real reason. They're fall to the status quo and people shouldn't just accept the status quo.

It's pretty interesting that one party's trying to progress and the other party's trying to revert.

Your wrong, they are the same.  The different voting is all just a show they put on.

In the end they wll want big military and to keep the fiat fractional lending bullshit monetary system.

You know who really makes the laws? Billionaires like the Koch Brothers

Follow the money you. When one party receives tens of millions of dollars and the other party receives hundreds of thousands of dollars, you say both parties are equal, when in reality, they're really not.

If you look at actual voting records, you'll see the GOP are the baddies. Democrats have some baddies, but the GOP is literally all baddies.

https://i.redd.it/wp7mps8ungp11.jpg


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 11, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/defense-debt-us-spending-trump-medicaid-treasury-federal-health-care-interest-1210907

https://i.imgur.com/pEYfqk1.png

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This is a great time to remind everyone that if it wasn't for Bush and Trump tax cuts and our wars in the Middle East, we would be running a surplus for the past 20 years.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: Spendulus on November 11, 2018, 09:12:26 PM
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Follow the money you. When one party receives tens of millions of dollars and the other party receives hundreds of thousands of dollars, you say both parties are equal, when in reality, they're really not.
....

You really want to follow the money, or you want to slide away from this issue and quickly move to another subject?


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 11, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
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Follow the money you. When one party receives tens of millions of dollars and the other party receives hundreds of thousands of dollars, you say both parties are equal, when in reality, they're really not.
....

You really want to follow the money, or you want to slide away from this issue and quickly move to another subject?

Topic's about the GOP looting the coffers. Leaving all the debt. The newly posted link is totally on topic, your shit-tier troll comment isn't on topic.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: Spendulus on November 11, 2018, 09:24:22 PM
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Follow the money you. When one party receives tens of millions of dollars and the other party receives hundreds of thousands of dollars, you say both parties are equal, when in reality, they're really not.
....

You really want to follow the money, or you want to slide away from this issue and quickly move to another subject?

Topic's about the GOP looting the coffers. Leaving all the debt. The newly posted link is totally on topic, your shit-tier troll comment isn't on topic.

I'm on topic, dude. Where is the tens of millions vs the hundreds of thousands?


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 11, 2018, 11:11:59 PM
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Follow the money you. When one party receives tens of millions of dollars and the other party receives hundreds of thousands of dollars, you say both parties are equal, when in reality, they're really not.
....

You really want to follow the money, or you want to slide away from this issue and quickly move to another subject?

Topic's about the GOP looting the coffers. Leaving all the debt. The newly posted link is totally on topic, your shit-tier troll comment isn't on topic.

I'm on topic, dude. Where is the tens of millions vs the hundreds of thousands?
https://www.opensecrets.org/

 ::)

I recommend looking into Jill Stein first.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: Spendulus on November 11, 2018, 11:43:44 PM
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Follow the money you. When one party receives tens of millions of dollars and the other party receives hundreds of thousands of dollars, you say both parties are equal, when in reality, they're really not.
....

You really want to follow the money, or you want to slide away from this issue and quickly move to another subject?

Topic's about the GOP looting the coffers. Leaving all the debt. The newly posted link is totally on topic, your shit-tier troll comment isn't on topic.

I'm on topic, dude. Where is the tens of millions vs the hundreds of thousands?
https://www.opensecrets.org/

 ::)

I recommend looking into Jill Stein first.

No ducking and dodging, please. You made the assertion, please support it. Open secrets is a pretty big cloud of data. It's no better than a response like "Google it."


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 12, 2018, 02:23:57 AM
No ducking and dodging, please. You made the assertion, please support it. Open secrets is a pretty big cloud of data. It's no better than a response like "Google it."

https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/nov/05/tammy-baldwin/ten-times-more-dark-money-has-been-spent-2016-elec/

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Some 86 percent was spent by conservative groups, 11 percent by liberal groups and 3 percent by other groups.

"BUT WHERE'S THE SOURCE!!!"

Opensecrets, if you're actually wanting to compare records conservatives vs liberals. Now that Republicans have passed bills making certain political donations entirely anonymous, we're going to lose this transparency.

Way to go assclowns looting the coffers.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: TECSHARE on November 12, 2018, 03:26:37 AM
Cool story bro: https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293


Yeah, who do they think they are letting us keep more of our own money? That money belongs to the government by all rights!


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 12, 2018, 09:47:55 AM
https://i.imgur.com/gEUulHh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RfZv5z4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tMwoEt1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0WTUrVW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9JB4gaO.png

https://i.imgur.com/G6Ju0Ap.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kWPUSeN.png

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You cannot trust Republican with money ever.



Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: TECSHARE on November 12, 2018, 01:44:09 PM
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You cannot trust Republican with money ever.

Clinton never had a surplus. Also any success he has was a direct result of the massive real estate fraud which eventually caused the 2008 collapse, as well as tax revenue from the dot com bubble. Also you'll notice on your charts the Republicans send us back in the right direction and the Democrats are the ones to turn it back around every time.

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

https://newrepublic.com/article/76709/who-created-the-1990s-surplus-clinton-or-the-gop

http://www.tommullen.net/featured/the-bill-clinton-myth-finally-debunked/



Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 12, 2018, 02:04:31 PM
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You cannot trust Republican with money ever.
Also you'll notice on your charts the Republicans send us back in the right direction and the Democrats are the ones to turn it back around every time.

You do know those charts are highlighting growth of debt? So, when the chart goes up, that's a BAD thing. When the charts go down, that's a good thing.

I'm amazed that you can't even read basic charts.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: TECSHARE on November 12, 2018, 02:11:47 PM
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You cannot trust Republican with money ever.
Also you'll notice on your charts the Republicans send us back in the right direction and the Democrats are the ones to turn it back around every time.

You do know those charts are highlighting growth of debt? So, when the chart goes up, that's a BAD thing. When the charts go down, that's a good thing.

I'm amazed that you can't even read basic charts.


https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRfZv5z4.jpg&t=594&c=stDd7EQ39MTtpQ

Tell me more.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 12, 2018, 02:22:59 PM

Cause words are hard for you, I know; but see at the top there where it says "deficit / surplus", right?

Deficit is when it's in the negatives, surplus when it's in the positives. Of course a child can understand these charts. I don't understand why your reading comprehension skills are so sub-par. I think you're just acting like an idiot on purpose to get a rise out others.

::)


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: Spendulus on November 13, 2018, 01:53:54 AM
..... a child can understand these charts....
Big pictures sure do help, don't they?


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: Spendulus on November 13, 2018, 04:47:05 AM

deleted garbage chart

Tell me more.
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It is unfortunate the amount of cognitive dissonance you seem to be able to just wash away. Your own words contradict themselves, but I am the one who is wrong. Ok.
I am also sorry you feel the need to shotgun reports any time you make yourself look stupid and I point it out, knowing the moderator will take any opportunity to silence opinions he doesn't agree with (as long as he has plausible deniability).

this is a rather interesting group of summaries of the budgets, the deficits, and the national debt, organized by president.

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

Nobody gets anywhere close to the looting done by Obama.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 13, 2018, 05:50:44 AM
Nobody gets anywhere close to the looting done by Obama.

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President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $5.683 trillion, as much in one term as Obama accumulated in two.

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

Thanks for proving my argument...


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: TECSHARE on November 13, 2018, 01:44:29 PM
Nobody gets anywhere close to the looting done by Obama.

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President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $5.683 trillion, as much in one term as Obama accumulated in two.

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

Thanks for proving my argument...

Except he didn't lol. You are absolutely delusional.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: Spendulus on November 13, 2018, 03:04:33 PM
Nobody gets anywhere close to the looting done by Obama.

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President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $5.683 trillion, as much in one term as Obama accumulated in two.

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

Thanks for proving my argument...

Except he didn't lol. You are absolutely delusional.

Whatever argument that was.

I think my argument is the one that stands as true.

"Nobody gets anywhere close to the looting done by Obama."

You must look at the bank bailouts, the "infrastructure spending" and other handouts which are giveaways to the political interests. Basically, that's looting. Spending on medicare and military, like it or not, isn't looting for the most part.

So far I have not seen ANY bank bailouts, quantitative easing nonsense, nothing of the sort from Trump.

He's gotten the economy doing quite well, and without any fakery.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 13, 2018, 07:20:43 PM
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President Barack Obama
President Obama had the largest deficits. By the end of his final budget, FY 2017, his deficits were $6.690 trillion. Obama took office during the Great Recession. He immediately needed to spend billions to stop it. He convinced Congress to add the $787 billion economic stimulus package to Bush’s FY 2009 budget. This added $253 billion to the FY 2009 budget. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act added another $534 billion over the rest of Obama’s terms.

In 2010, the Obama tax cut added $858 billion to the debt in its first two years. Obama increased defense spending, adding as much as $800 billion a year. Federal income decreased due to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis.

Both Presidents Bush and Obama suffered from higher mandatory spending than their predecessors did. Social Security and Medicare benefits were eating up more of the budget. Health care costs were rising as the American population aged. In 2010, Obama launched the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It sought to reduce health care spending. This reduction would lower the debt by $143 billion by 2020. In total, $983 billion was added to the national debt under Obama.


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Trump promised to reduce the national debt. But the debt by president reveals that Trump will increase the debt by $8.3 trillion in just one term. His plan to reduce the debt relies on increasing economic growth to 6 percent. Like most Republicans, he used tax cuts to spur that level of growth.

So, last I checked, $8.3 trillion is greater than $983 billion...

I don't even understand you denying what your own source says. It says it plainly on the page you linked.

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President Donald Trump: Total Actual plus Budgeted = $5.683 trillion, almost as much in one term as Obama accumulated in two.

So, yeah, the GOP are looting the government coffers...

art.

So far I have not seen ANY bank bailouts, quantitative easing nonsense, nothing of the sort from Trump.



Pretty much the GOP cut tax income; so instead of getting a surplus of income, there's way less income. Bailout for the ultra wealthy...

To put it simply:

It's like Obama going to buy a house and car while earning $100k a year. The house/car only costs $190k, so only $90k in debt.

Trump pretty much only bought a house (the trade war) which was like $150k, but then quit his current job and took a job only making $15k / year. So, now he has  $135k in debt, and it'll take him much longer to pay off the debt than what Obama would have.


Title: Re: GOP looting government coffers
Post by: bluefirecorp_ on November 14, 2018, 09:00:16 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-13/u-s-budget-gap-jumps-to-100-billion-at-start-of-fiscal-year

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In Trump’s first full fiscal year that ended in September, the budget gap grew to $779 billion, the highest level since 2012.