Title: To cryptonight-xmr and progpow developers how about a new algo mash up? Post by: philipma1957 on October 02, 2018, 02:29:20 PM Okay progpow seems to work okay to prevent or slow asics.
And CNv2 will be coming out. So how about a mashup algo. Use both algos and on the last day of every month check to last block made for it tx hash and flip back and forth the two algos. So a gpu only needs to switch from one software to the next. Every asic needs two machine one for cn2 algo the other for progpow algo. And every FPGA would need a flashing to switch. How hard would it be to do this? I realize it could cause a stability issue in the chain but it seems doable. Title: Re: To cryptonight-xmr and progpow developers how about a new algo mash up? Post by: Marvell2 on October 03, 2018, 12:39:40 AM man pure genius, I was thinking about this but had no good way to articulate it forking every much is too much but i wouls line to see cn7 implement some of the progpow calulations to reuce the power of fpgas https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/4218#issuecomment-425971822 thats the link on the cryptonite fork discussion Title: Re: To cryptonight-xmr and progpow developers how about a new algo mash up? Post by: philipma1957 on October 03, 2018, 04:46:45 PM man pure genius, I was thinking about this but had no good way to articulate it forking every much is too much but i would like to see cn7 implement some of the progpow calulations to reduce the power of fpgas https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/4218#issuecomment-425971822 thats the link on the cryptonite fork discussion Seems to me that a monthly flip flop or not flip flop based on the hash of last block of the month. Would be a P.I.T.A. for all miners but GPU--- Bad FPGA-- Worse Asic---- Worst You need 2 asic chips one for progpow and one for CNv2 so it would hurt asics 2x You need to flash your fpga and would hurt it somewhat as fpga flashing is not super easy You need to switch from one program to another on your gpus takes under 1 minute per gpu My developing skills are small but I am a good idea guy. Anything to hurt asics should be good. And this idea could be expanded. If you have 4 hard algos and hash tx for a block is hexi- decimal 4 numbers for algo 1 4 numbers for algo 2 4 numbers for algo 3 4 numbers for algo 4 that would really hurt asic mining big time as you need 4 separate chips one for each algo Title: Re: To cryptonight-xmr and progpow developers how about a new algo mash up? Post by: almonk on October 03, 2018, 09:10:56 PM One flip flop switch is probably not enough to stop ASIC makers. They will make new optimized chip for both algos combined. The new algo has to change itself based on random inputs from blockchain data. It has to be even tough to run on GPUs. In this case ASIC makers will have to recreate GPU functionalities in their ASICs. The new algo has to be highly dynamic but at the same time provide stable hashing speeds and security. GPUs were originally made for highly parallel complex computations such as computer graphics.
Some current algos such as ethash rely on limitations of memory bandwidth. It looks like it is still not enough to fight ASICs. Title: Re: To cryptonight-xmr and progpow developers how about a new algo mash up? Post by: philipma1957 on October 03, 2018, 09:22:00 PM One flip flop switch is probably not enough to stop ASIC makers. They will make new optimized chip for both algos combined. The new algo has to change itself based on random inputs from blockchain data. It has to be even tough to run on GPUs. In this case ASIC makers will have to recreate GPU functionalities in their ASICs. The new algo has to be highly dynamic but at the same time provide stable hashing speeds and security. GPUs were originally made for highly parallel complex computations such as computer graphics. Some current algos such as ethash rely on limitations of memory bandwidth. It looks like it is still not enough to fight ASICs. Well since tx hash is hex coded and there are 16 symbols 4 algo do the trick. 1 can be the current eth algo with a tweak (bigger dag say 8gb) 1 can be progpow 1 can be CNv2 1 can be the new ebwf algo with a tweak (more ram say 8gb) that asic would be pretty wastefull it would not be 1 chip it would be 4 chips with a switch so only ¼ is used at a time And the first of each month a gpu miner simply switches. the game is race to the bottom with out gpu's making some money. and gpus make for millions of adapters of coins. since millions of gpus are used for other shit |