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Have you guys watched latest Tone Videos? He's very peculiar about all of it but predicts 5000 and maybe 1300

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS1JQWtGaiM

i have also received an insider news and i will mention here so you can keep track of it for future tips.

big pump on on 15th October  to $8000

cheers.

Posting the source or links make this fud news a little more convincing.


Sarcasm works like gems. Cheers

October 15th is my birthday. That alone would make the price change a +-1000$.

I have real inside news about a massive 90% bitcoin price dump on 15th October,followed by a 1000% pump on the day after that.I can't post any links whatsoever,because it's super secret.Don't tell anybody. ;D
By yhe way,that 5000 USD prediction by the middle of October is not so unrealistic.I actually think that it might happen.The OP's post about "insider info" was funny and I couldn't resist to make a joke about it.

Source for that insider? we've got plenty of insiders here but most of them says positive will come on 15th.  ;)

@OP is that news came from the paid signal you've joined with their VIP treat? keep us updated but don't be so gullible if someone spreads FUD.

The guy is probably just making stuff up for fun.

However coincidentally imagine if he is correct on those 2 dates which wouldn't be all that impossible then he gets a phone call from the SEC for insider trading.

Hence if someone knows about insider trading they never make it public because it's a crime.

sometimes people do these things to gain possible points in the future. for example imagine for a moment that what if price did actually reached the price what OP is talking about now. he will come back and start taking advantage of that guess he made a couple of days back and pretend that his guess was legit and milk it as much as he can.

I have seen this multiple times so far. usually people go with predicting the price in a much more vague manner than OP though so that they are not giving it away and sometimes they even predict both ways (a rise and a fall for instance) to have the opportunity to say "I told you so" either way!

Yeah but the likelihood is against his prediction. He may gain some point in someone’s eyes but he will lose many points if the prediction fails. Although if that is the case, I suppose he won’t come back here.

well the only thing is that when this type of "guess" doesn't come true, everyone simply forgets the person who made that guess because he is only one in hundreds who were making such random guesses. for example do you remember those who were saying price will go back down to $200 back when price reached the ATH of that time at $1200? I don't remember single account names but I remember at least a dozen of them even using charts and tried to convince us that the chart of $1200 in 2017 looks exactly like $1200 in 2013 and price should fall down to $200.

This name of the section and the title of this thread is definitely connected to each other,  i don't want to troll but i guess all of this speculation are true i am also a part of a group wherein they share analysis,  but i guess it's not true, op can share also the group so i can block or report it :D

Wait, are we talking about a big dump as you titled the thread or small dump to 6k (10%? Come on, your insider can do better than that). This really matters because big dumps need huge rolls of toilet paper... Er, bills to buy now before the 15th.

Instead of tracking, why not do a short now, liquidate your BTC and set your Tether for 6001 buys. You will be rich!


Your insider must be the same as mine, but my other insider got the news ahead of this insider, so he's arranging it for the 16th instead. Did I say "he"? I meant he/she/it/they.

As Pursuer says, watch out for his "I told you so" thread, or his silent slinking into the shadows.

It seems the guy below you didn't see the sarcasm in your comment that he is looking for the source as to whether to start buying more so that by 15th October, he can make maximum "return" on his investment.


There is no point watching the video because doing that would be causing more harm to the market out of getting panic about seeing the current position of $6000+ as a better point than the speculated $5000 while he would be getting richer because the higher the number of views he get, the higher the payout as that would surely be a channel. Let him continue to make his prediction while people like me, would continue to ignore as reason posited are only mere expression of opinion that can be done by anybody.

Never forget that Tone Vays also predicted $7500 as best case scenario for a peak last december, needless to say it more than doubled his prediction... so he was off by a long shot.

Simply apply that situation again to the current bear market. We may have already bottomed, and these analysts predicting $5000 to $1300 are the overly pessimistic ones, similar to how they were overly pessimistic during the bull run.

I don't really care, im ready for lower prices may they come, the question is, are fiat bagholders ready to assume this may be the dip and they still own no bitcoin.

lol. this board is so funny sometimes with all the guessworks that people call speculation hence my sarcasm.
p.s. based on the edit OP did later to his starting post it seems like his "insider" has been a Youtube video he watched from someone making money by creating videos where he mostly guesses... something like CNBC where he goes with the flow turning bullish and bearish whichever the wind is blowing.
i still don't know why he called it "insider" though :D

this is not because of pessimism, there was a good point in above comment. these are mostly said for future credibility in case they happened.
it is not a big deal if he predicted $7500 to be the top last year, you remember it but you don't call him a total idiot for making that prediction but if he "guessed" the $20k as the top you would automatically give him more credit. which is what he is doing now too.

I think $5000 is understandble but $1300 is what I disagree.  We have not see the bottom yet and bitcoin need to get there before we could see another bullish trend.  The market has been in sideways and a break out on both side may push bitcoin in either bullish or bearish directions.

I guess we are all starting to have insider news sarcastically now, don't we ;D ?

I only pity people that listen to this and then follow it gullible, and when the market starts rising on that date, they start asking what's up with the insider news they heard about. This is just some dude trying to just have his fun by coming up with a story he has cooked up in his mind.

Even though, like you said, anything can happen after or before that date and $5k is unrealistic as that has actually always been the point I have been looking forward to for reversal anyway, I would still say at the same time, the only thing that give us any news at the moment, is the price action on the chart.

it's time to buy bitcoin, because on the 15th we will get a profit of $ 1500. the question is how confident are you with what you say? if you are very confident, you will buy now and wait until the 15th.

This. Bitcoin has have several attempts breaking below $6000 and has failed each time. Partly because there are institutional bidders sitting just below the $6000 level.

Tone Vays looks and sounds like a pro chart analyzer but there are often time his price predictions are not correct. Even though I am still new in watching his videos I know part of it is his promotion on his workshops, where he gets his main income on (not in trading) as 1 slot of the workshop is worth .1BTC which is about 650$ in today's prices. Even though there is no structure on when and where in the video he promotes his website he shows it a few times in order to show you that he will be having workshops with this places.

. This is a good news!!  thanks for sharing this positive news man. I hope it will continue to grow up again  like what happened before. Well im so excited and probably this is the right time to ride for this upcoming  especial event of  BTC. "TO THE MOON! " lolz

I think if you spew enough bullshit in the end you can be right eventually. Even a stopped clock can be right twice a day. I am sorry but if you say that bitcoin will be $5k eventually or it can be $9k eventually, you have a big chance of being right in both cases, it CAN do any of that.

However, I see nothing happening to these guys when they are wrong, they just come up with a new version of their "target" next time and go on living their life. They go like "but I revised it later and said it would go up" and whatever when they realize they are wrong. Don't listen to these guys, never. Do your own research.

Well, on what we saw untill now there are a lot of chances for that to happen. Bitcoin has dropped a lot this year and its still going down and not up. Its not goona go up, Tone Vays is having right about this , bitcoin will reach 5000$ or maybe he is even gonna drop more than that.

Insider news indeed, like all have said, at least share the source or this is just another FUD post. There is much going for the market, and sure, no one knows how the market is going to go in the short, mid or long term no matter the insider news you are getting.

At this stage, it is obvious anyone would just want to assume anything in their head, because of that, ends up having a dream about it and then come here to tell us it is insider news. From where? I would rather look at the price action on the chat than focus on any insider news at the moment.

Anything is understandable, it is speculation and for what it is worth, I really do not care. It is the future, no one knows it, the market can decide to go lower than $5k, or $3k or even get as low as $1300, the most important thing is that this gives me a chance to keep buying lower as that is what is most important at this stage.

It all depends on whatever anyone decides to do with the information they have, but what is important the most is to focus on the long term and take advantage of the present moment. If Tone Vays says it is going to be $1300, which is his cup of tea as it changes nothing and it is not like anyone can really tell what the future holds anyway.

I don't need to watch the video. I'm used to seeing Tone's predictions and analysis as he is hell bent on BTC below $5k and even <$1300. Once expressed his wish/hatred to see ETH at $1. Left to me, I would leave the market to decide the fate of BTC. However the higher it goes, the better it is for the market

that is just the main thing and I have seen for so many reasons that listening to predictions like this over the years have always clouded a lot of people's judgment on what to do and what not to do. What anyone should be bothered about now is to have more money to be able to buy the dips when they come and having more money now to even buy more at this stage that we are in.

Personally, I have never cared either how low the market goes as long as I believe in the future and that is what counts the most. Trying to pick the right price or trying to imagine what the peak would be will only make you limit yourself somehow.

Being a student of the cryptocurrency I learned that markets are tried to be speculated by many people at different time. We have been listening to it plenty of the time when some so called experts talk about the pump and others of dump. Which mean that there is a possibility of both to go high or to drop down. I think these things shouldn't be trusted without a proper analysis by self. Listen to everyone but make your decisions by your own. After all it's your money and no one is going to pay for your losses.

5000 is not impossible or even lower just save some usd to buy back more cheap coins

Do not listen to Tone Vays. Him and some Bitcoiners' level of Bitcoin maximalism has become so absurd that being the same kind of Bitcoiner as them would be like joining a cult.

It would not matter much if you believe in crypto and its future gain. This all predication is just so that the market crashes and all such big investors come into play and will buy huge qty at lower level and thus with the rise they will make money and sell. Thus small investors will lose the money in process.

$1300 is not possible. It would be if we had fallen to $3k in June, but we didnt.

What I think it is possible is a $4800 bottom. However, this price wont last long.

Unless you are going to buy a full bitcoin, theres not much difference between the current price and $4800. Just remember that the ATH was near $20k, so even if you buy now, you are guaranteed a nice profit when we go back to the previous ATH.

You posted one hour stream. Who will watch all that?  Yes. he believes that price of Bitcoin will drop greatly and more then you put in title. But then i see you posted here also #1300. There is huge difference between $5000 and $1300.  $1300 will never happen. There are tiny chances Bitcoin goes under $4000 and almost none it will go under $3000.

He is already backpeddling a bit by claiming that we may be stuck on the current price ranges for months, which I believe too, the difference is I don't ask 0.1 BTC an hour to people for that. We all know we may be stuck in the current price range or we may dip lower.

But what's funny is, we have BAKKT coming this november, if we get another FOMO and we really high soon his reputation may get really damaged after predicting $7500 as the 2017 top.

Tone Vays thought that $7500 was the top? Then he must have panic bought and did some FOMO after he sold. Hahaha.

Plus do day traders really listen to him?

What really happening now many speculation. My speculation is just simple what happened several years back would probably happen this year and that's my hgh hope because for sure the end of the year would be another excitement as what had happened last year.

Tone is doing a very limited TA by comparing the last bear market, drawing fibonacci retracements on it, and moving those retracements onto the current chart.
This would work if that bear market was caused by the same thing as the previous one but it wasn't. The last bear market was started by Karpeles and his trading bot, this time there was no bankruptcy, no fundamental flaw, just a correction.

I never believed in predictions. These people have no idea about the future investment and price depends upon investment capital. If more and more people put their money in bitcoin, the price will go up and if there is no investment the price will ever go up. Predictors can analyze the current situation of the market but cannot guess the people’s mind.

Yes, I remember and to be fair I was one of them who was thinking that price would fall always, for me it was very funny when someone was saying how bitcoin would reach 10K next year and etc. Seems I was wrong, people who were dreamers in my eye, were 100% true. From this I learnt that I have to listen such people because in the end their predicts are true.

great. But in my view it's another bulltrap again for sure if the progress stop on that value within days like what happened before because of manipulation from big holders that always gain quick profits nowadays which is reason why growth rate always swing back after the small pump  . So much better to stay alert and keep monitoring the growth rate to ensured our profits is safe if however  that speculation happens  during 15th of October.  

Investors and traders are getting wiser from day to day, just in case that this pumped happen make sure that you have alternative plans just in case
the pumped accompanied by a massive dumped after, those whales who are enjoying riding with the news and keep gaining from a weak holders and
fomo investors are just waiting for the perfect timing to work inside the market.

A pump to $8000 is not enough to start a bull market.

We need 12k to start talking about it. Also, it should be fast, in a matter of two weeks.

Yeah you are right. There are many predictors who know nothing and give their views about the upcoming situation of the market. I think that investors should observe the market by themselves and never believe in predictions of people like Vays. In these days there is no or very little demand for bitcoin and that is the bug reason for no increase in the price.

In my opinion the price will remain the same as it is today because if we observe the price increasing and decreasing and this situation will continue for more time till bitcoin not find more investors. Many investors disheartened and they do not want to put their investment in bitcoin due to huge volatility. When the market cap remains the same the price will also remain the same.

Huge bump occurred just one time and that was in the last year. You are also waiting for such bump in the price these years, but I think it will not happen again. Now the demand is very low and with low demand the price will not go up. Manipulators also wonder and don’t know what to do because investors are withdrawing or converting their money to Altcoin.

Is this the trade made from the analysis the OP is talking about?

https://twitter.com/tonevays/status/1051131445517975552


Was he was using Bitfinex for this trade? Then I believe his account liquidation was triggered yesterday! Hahaha.