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Do you remember the times when Bitcoin prices were all over the place and price swings of $300 to $500 in any direction was

normal.  ::)  Well, back then, everyone were moaning and complaining about the high volatility and how this negatively

impacted the merchants and using Bitcoin as a payment option.

How things have changed in a matter of 1 to 2 years is astonishing, because now people are complaining about the lack of

volatility and how boring Bitcoin has become.  ::)


Do we know what we want or are we divided in our goals, since more speculators have entered the Bitcoin scene in 2017.  ???

Let's discuss.  ;)

There might be divided opinions, but I think a more stable coin favours most.
I'm still fairly new to bitcoin and have enjoyed the sustained stability of recent months. It shows bitcoin as an asset is maturing and would no longer be referred to as a pump and dump scheme.
It is also less subsceptible to price manipulations. This encourages investors to hodl.
Those looking for excitement can try alts.

haha, there is always going to be a group of people that are not satisfied with things everywhere you look and in every community. in bitcoin things are the same. when price is volatile people complain, when it is stable they complain again. when it is rising they bitch about how they wish it was lower so they could buy, when it drops they cry about why it is dropping and not rising....

it is a never ending whine in my opinion. of course sometimes there is some merits to it too but usually it is just that whining because they didn't meet their dreams with bitcoin.

Different people use Bitcoins for different purposes. In high volatility, one part is happy and in low volatility, other part is happy. In both causes, unhappy part is moaning...

Exactly my thought some days ago, OP. I was wondering if those "crying babies" now have their profits since the volatility of bitcoin has been caged. This present scenario points to that saying, "Be careful what you wish." They have their wish of steady btc price with or without volatility but are they truly happy now?

Lol yeah there's hardly any movement right and this is probably a preview of how btc will be when it get's mre transactional. For the mean time, do i think it will stay this way? Probably not. It's still too early for bitcoin to be stagnant for good though i think those that got stuck above the 10k level are happy with this stability.

I don't think we have less Bitcoin volatility, let's see the graph from January to today:


The variance still there, but now isn't between $300 and $500, now we are playing with bigger numbers, this way i think the risk is bigger because because the floor is far away and if wehit it would mean a really dam crash, would be really disgusting for those ones to buy at $15k to see bitcoin going down to $500. And it could happen, i'm sure lot of us will be really happy if it happens but whould be a pain in the ass for those ones who buy at those crazy big prices.

volatility will keep doing his thing, bitcoin will not stay calm, at end that's how it rolls.

In Bitcoin's case, people advocating for Bitcoin to be a currency, wants the price to be stable and the people using it for trading

wants it to be volatile, because they make the most profits with a very volatile price. The question I posed is actually twofold,

because a definite shift has happened since the speculators has entered the market. In my opinion, more people want Bitcoin

to be more volatile, because they want to increase their profits.  ::)

This won't last. Usually such low volume periods are calm before the storm. Also, if you draw a downtrend and support lines on the chart you'll see that these two lines cross in the beginning of November. From experience I know that a move always happens before the cross. People never wait until the last moment so you can expect manipulation attempts and eventually a breakout within the next 3 weeks.
Also, a consolidation period is always a time of low volatility, so this should be good news for those who await a reversal.

In my view people complaining about high volatility because they fear sometimes bitcoin price dropped almost a half from initial price and they do not want to lost  their money but very different when volatility happened when bitcoin price jumping rapidly last year that they were looks happy with those volatility because most of us have already get decent profit during that time and they expect bitcoin price continue to rise up again without down which is this is impossible

Lower volatility is good for everyone. There is really no reason to complain about lower volatility. A real trader would just increase their leverage.

Consider fiat currency trading. A forex trader makes (or loses) money when the value of a currency changes by $0.0001.

Pointed very accurately!! The group of people complaining about less volatility are speculators who trade on cryptos and leveraged the volatility aspect of it. But I see no harm in it because speculators are also an integral part of the eco system. Without them, the crypto market have never experienced such momentum.

But I personally think that stability will do more good in longer term. Less volatility will lead the sustainable growth for the future where increased adoption rate will fuel the growth!

Even though the main roadblock for sustainable growth is the unclear legal framework. But having a stable price will make a lot if merchants interested in accepting cryptos as a method of payment.

I also think the Bakkt thing is going to spark a new interest in Bitcoin and the injection of institutional capital are going to

cause a lot more volatility in the near future. In any way, most merchants started to shift to the use of payment processors,

so the volatility is not a issue for them anymore.  ::)  Bitcoin is never boring, even when it takes a breather to correct a

major bubble.  ;D

Bitcoin continues the monthly upward movement, the cardiogram of the heart is leveling, the volatility is critically low as well as the volume of trading.

Probably soon we will see a move to either 6.2K or 7.2K.

Less volatility is the better outcome really.
The ideal situation is a rise in value with minimal volatility, thats a long term
outlook but there are those who dont want a "long term" outlook. I would
imagine traders would be less enthusiastic with low volatility.

Volatility is a risk. Some risky things are good. The problem comes when there is too much volatility or risk regarding their desired use. People have different uses for bitcoins. Many start with a valuable store or new transaction method as the most popular. If price volatility is too high, it is difficult to perform one of these actions.

Bitcoin volatility is at its lowest level in the last 17 months. The reason is the lack of important news and low trading volumes. Some investors even believe that this is evidence of the "formation" of the cryptomarket. However, the debate about the impact of Bitcoin stability on its future is still ongoing.

Since the 2017 Bull market, many people have come into the crypto community only to earn money. They never think about the facts. Bitcoin price is almost stable at 6-6500 USD, some people started complaining why bitcoin stuck at 6K, when will it grow, when will start the next bull run! Actually, they want a bull run to sell their coins to make high profits, they don't want a stable price of bitcoin now. But If Bitcoin price will go 10K USD up then they will pray for the stable it. Now, I think we are getting what we wanted, less bitcoin volatility.

Who wanted less volatility? Not me. Then again, I guess I'm not a merchant with fiat-denominated overheads. I think the volatility is one of the things that attracted me to Bitcoin, as someone who loves studying markets.

Anyway, I think of this stable period more like the "eye of the storm" than anything else. Volatility isn't gone. It's just hibernating. ;)

i dont think that the price have been settle down its just consolidation once the volume spike up it will be volatile again, just last night the 24hour volume spike upto more than 1 billion, isnt it volatile?  ::)

zoom in and check how the price has been acting for the past 2 or 3 months and you can see that i has reached a good stability specially in past months. and make sure to look at percentage of the changes not the amount because $500 change at this point is a tiny change of 5-6% and in bitcoin that is considered stable.

as for the "floor", floor is not 0 but floor is considered a price where the bottom is. in other words where the buy support is strong enough that it can not go below it. and that price has so far been at $5800-$6000

Yes, I think we got exactly what we asked for, because I was one of the people who were complaining about Bitcoin volatility back then. At the time, I were buying & selling goods internationally and I was paying with bitcoins and the volatility messed with my profitability, because I had to deal with huge price variations on a daily basis.

In the end, I gave up on paying the suppliers directly with bitcoin and decided to opt for payment via payment processors. The added fees were less than the losses from volatility.  ::)

I guess there's only a small fraction who complain Bitcoin recent less volatility. I bet these are traders since they will make less profit if Bitcoin is more stable. It's been great for me, stabilizing around 6K, for now, is fair. I can accumulate a lot from my monthly earning. I wish Bitcoin could be like this till it hits the next halving.

I know, it is hard time imagine just a short while ago checking your portfolio was exciting but now it has been stables for what seems to  be a long long time.

There are still altcoins for those wanting volatility but even altcoins seem to have stagnated.

Volatility is why we still don't have an ETF but that will soon change in the coming months. It is probably kept intentionally boring by whales who can see the bigger picture

Volatility of bitcoin has been an interesting character trait of the bitcoin market. Crypto coins fluctuate in values at highly volatile rates and thus it leads to an unstable market. But this instability of the market prices is the reason why we are able to reap some profits out of the market.

Bitcoin fluctuates and thus rates go up and down and thus the day traders and speculators and the investors are able to fulfill their short term market objectives.

Everyone is not always of the same opinion. Some people want the Bitcoin to keep going down to fill their bags even more and others are tired of being attractive and would like bitcoin to make a big pump. The lack of volume shows that the majority of people are waiting for Bitcoin to come down even more.

There are 2 types of people in the Bitcoin circle voicing out at 2 very different times. When the price of Bitcoin was volatile, traders are profiting off this and kept quiet while merchants who are looking to adopt Bitcoin as a means of transaction are skeptical and had to voice out. Now that Bitcoin is at a stable point in time the tables have turned  ;D  :P

yes we got it. we got a stable bitcoin but now the investors are even more dissatisfied with it ;D

Dunno about the others but I still think that the price right now, having less volatility and at a lower level compared last year, is the best possible situation right now. Bitcoin's price needs to grow "organically" so investors new to this market will have more chance to stay since it has become more newbie friendly.

You are right, there are always people who are dissatisfied with something, but in fact, I believe that Bitcoin and the market as a whole will still be volatile, now it’s just a waiting mode, due to the fact that the market is controlled by bears.

But then your real trader would need to transact a derivative instrument, not a real thing, effectively making him not a bitcoin user or bitcoin trader, but a derivative trader.

And anytime soon it will awake and it will either give us losses nor profit, so hang on.
While we're not seeing the volatility as we feel like something is missing, and that's the good profit that we longing for the past few months. We're just actually used to have a decent profit, don't we?

Though I don't see this as a threat and sure thing that it will be back to its usual movement.

You made a good point here. There is a third category, of course, "hodlers", very similar to traders (traders buy and sell bitcoin to earn money on price moves), but different in this regard that they don't sell (until certain satisfactory level, of course). They don't want the price to get stagnant, either.


The never ending bitching we are hearing comes from different directions, you see. In times of high volatility people who want bitcoin as currency are not satisfied, and in times of stabilized prices traders and hodlers are unhappy.

It is only those that keep bitcoin as long term investment that don't benefit from high volatility of bitcoin. Experience traders benefit greatly from high volatility of bitcoin. Traders are looking for that again.

Just looked Bitcoin graph from previous 3 months. On 9th of July BTC was $6700, today 3 months later it is $6600. Looks very stable.

It's true, now bitcoin shows stability, which has not been for a long time. The price does not fluctuate much and at the same time remains at about 6500. People got what they wanted. But now people constantly complain due to the fact that its price is not rising, but this is also volatility :) ;D

I don't think bitcoin is less volatile. Yes, he does not jump to $ 20,000, but this does not prevent him from swinging up and down. And I like this bitcion more than the one that jumps high. It dispersed speculators from the market!

We are all accustomed to the fact that a Bank Deposit is one of the most reliable, although low-income ways to keep their savings. Interest rates on deposits in Russia fluctuate around the level of inflation.

It seems to me that volatility has not decreased.The volatility is enough to trade on a daily basis.

The nice thing of this is that most people are saying that the correction phase has run it's course and that the price bottomed

out now. We might still see a little drop in the price, but it is the end of the "wild" volatility that we saw since the beginning of

January/February. The only way for Bitcoin now, must be to go up again to where it was back in December of 2017 and far

beyond that.  ::)  Let's work harder to reach our next all time high for 2018. (Q4)  ;D

The present condition seems to potray the outcry of many. Researchers are saying bitcoin's price will increase again.

It's kind of boring, bitcoin price staying like this. But it's better than a continuous drop. Also, if you are amused with last year's bubble, rest assured, I can confirm you that it is not good for business.

People use bitcoin for different reason. The complaining depends on the purpose they are using bitcoin for. But I think most of the people prefer less volatility.

The market is always volatile. As people use Bitcoin for different purpose, the rate of volatility can be pleasant to someone while being painful to another. Since the opinion and comfort-zone differs, it will impossible to get what all of us have asked for.

Different people use Bitcoin for different purposes. People advocating for bitcoin to be a currency,wants the price to be stable and the people using it for trading.

So true. You can't please everyone, btw those moaners who don't like volatility should convert to stable cryptos.

Previously I found a lot of people who gave a statement that with a volatile price of bitcoin, there would be a few investors who would spend their money to invest in and also, someone who gave a statement that with a volatile bitcoin price it would provide a great advantage for people who really know the gap to get profit.

This is just a contradiction that will always be found in a forum, there will always be pros and cons against something. However, both of them have strong reasons why they want bitcoin prices should be volatile and they want bitcoin prices that shouldn't be volatile.

This kind of thing happens because there are not a specific definition of what Bitcoin is supposed to be. Some governments define it as a commodity and others like Japan acknowledge that it might be used as a currency. I think this might be why people/merchants are undecided on what they want Bitcoin to be.  ::)

I do not place Bitcoin in a specific box, because I feel bitcoins should be used for whatever use case is needed by it's owner.  ;) This will also dictate what kind of volatility is needed by the person using bitcoins for that purpose.  :P

Good point, bitcoin has more than one use at the moment and the people using
bitcoin for their own use want different levels of volatility, never thought of it
like that.

I suppose the question is should we be getting hung up on volatility?

Well volatility in the price of bitcoin is the fun part of bitcoin as it allow for an unpredictable movement in the price of bitcoin and at that most users and investors are left only to predictions. But the most essential part of this all is that bitcoin can never deviate from it nature just because of how it users feels or thought towards it bitcoin is volatile and so it will remain.

we got what we wanted but now we are unhappy about it and want to make Bitcoin snvoa start to grow ;D

Volatility of bitcoin makes it more attractive and interesting for investors to invest in. People are making big amount of profit because of this volatility and this is the reason why people keep investing in bitcoin even though they experience losses, but now that Bitcoin is becoming stable and the price is not that volatile unlike before, I think some investors will start to feel bored and will lose their interest in Bitcoin. Some may also feel comfort that their assets doesn't have to go to roller coaster experience because of bitcoin's high volatility.

something interesting to consider regarding this is to take a look at the charts and see whether bitcoin has really been that volatile and also see how long does the high volatile states last. for example if you look at the charts for the past 5 years you can see that the stability stages and low volatility stages when price moves up slowly are the majority of the times in past 5 years.
the high volatile stages are usually end of the bubble and the correction of that (like 2013) and then we are left with much more stable market where price is either stable or is moving upwards slowly (like 2015-2018) and (2018-...)

Bitcoin volatility has both pros and corns. Once it price pump huge amount, all bitcoin holders became very happy.On the contrary, if it dump huge amount, bitcoin holders became upset. So those who like to take risk for a huge profit, bitcoin volatility will be blessing for them.

In the past several months, I think that btc has started to stabilize it's market @ $6.5K where it normally played at this level. In the coming months to come, the expected market may soon the flourish as there will be an expected bullish run that may take place and many are waiting for it to take place. I believe that volatility is still experienced in the crypto market as this is already part of of the crypto  ecosystem and I consider it as a normal thing for btc market.

i just learnt that there is an underlying secret information on why the price of bitcoin have stabilize and consolidates this past few weeks, first there this thing we callled OTC or bitcoin buying over the counter where big institution like yale university invested millions of dollar recently in btc, so the price wont fluctuate in exchanges, 2nd its price intended to stabilize because the etf approval is on the edge, etf will be rejected if its still volatile.

Hello,

Differents opinion according of the investissors profile, traders love volatility as holders prefer smooth but constant increase.

I think that less volatility is better for long term as it will give less fears and more trusts means more people to join then increase of the price with good potential for BTC.

Cryptocurrency enthusiast and investors I think really cannot complain about volatility,as that remains a veritable means of earning huge bucks,buy little,wait for a pump and sell to make huge profits,thats where the advantage of volatility comes in,the astronomical rise can be possible at any given time

But merchants really do not favor volatility and you really cannot blame them,they are all about everyday profits,and cannot really accept payments in no exact price(cryptocurrency),they obviously should prefer the more stable fiat..

But generally for the sake of mass adoption,i think less volatility would increase the traffic In this technology,as more and more investments and companies would endorse the bitcoin and other crptocurrencies

Bitcoin has not been "caged."
Bitcoin is not like gold or silver. Things can be corrected if we want to.  Artificially induced stability means it has been successfully penetrated.. . Technically it is under central control at the moment. People's bitcoins could be rendered useless if they want to (if I can remember, Bitcoin was created due to financial crisis which was probably man-made). There will be lots of other negative consequences in the future.
Hope this is fixed before it's too late.

It seems to me that this situation arose due to the fact that at first Bitcoin rose in its price to $ 20,000 and many bought it almost at the peak of its price and therefore they do not like that Bitcoin stopped in price after its fall. This category wants Bitcoin to return to the previous price record in order not to lose. If bitcoin would simply grow in value and would stop in its growth, it seems to me that we would not see such a picture.

People are always not satisfied with what is)a Small price bad,a big price bad.Small oscillations bad,large fluctuations bad)))just Need to calm down and enjoy the process.Unfortunately, we cannot change the situation with our minds and hands.But we can change our attitude to it.You just need to agree that we will not give up,but will quietly and calmly promote bitcoin to the appointed goal.If we are certainly interested in development and do not want to lose the latter.

everyone has their own ideas, in my view, we can't completely change the volatility of bitcoin as prices in the market go up and down , no ones can predict what exactly the prices is. Therefore, it make the specific of bitcoin.

No, this is not price stability in Bitcoin. This is still his temporary stay in this price range. Many Bitcoin owners are unhappy with its current price, as they bought it at a much higher price and now expect growth from it to the previous price record. In addition, Bitcoin will not be able to stand for a long time without a significant rise or fall in its price. This is contrary to its nature.

It is very common that when we talk about crypto the volatility comes first in our mind and bitcoin volatility is always in the crypto market for it's decentralized nature. Crypto market is expanded through out the world and it is very rare that people pay online payments through banks.

For people, there is always something wrong. I feel great when the price of Bitcoin does not fluctuate much.

I think upside down with you. In my opinion, currently, bitcoin has good price stability, of course in the future the price will probably move back up or down because bitcoin continues to grow and it is impossible to keep quiet in place.

We did a very huge change on bitcoin because of many speculation, keep in mind that without speculation the value of bitcoin will not rise at all and will be less volatile. It is really great having a king on the cryptomarket with $6000 value as of now. Maybe those who complains with the value of bitcoin is those people who just came for money because of hype last year.

Indeed, the value might grow up or fall back to whatever reasons, this temporary position might be the turning point on what would be best value
that bitcoin will take, there's still a lots of chances that bitcoin will jumped high again and will make much higher ath,  volatility will stay as traders
and investors will not stop playing with the market.

Now we are extremely dissatisfied with this, right? It seems to me that the current situation for the development of the market is actually much better than the one that we could observe in 2017 when Bitcoin grew 20 times

People mind swings lot more than the prices of bitcoin so they will be keep asking for what they don't have so those kind of people will be existing always and keep complaining about the bitcoin.If bitcoin will have constant value then it will be boring for the people who want to make money but if the price stable for longer period then people will accumulate to it and start spending them.

The lack of volatility does not please traders only, since they have already adapted to this volatility and have learned how to make money on it. Now bitcoin is interesting to many as a tool for trading, and not for payments.

Many people who enter the world of bitcoin are natural. Because bitcoin is indeed worth studying and possessing, even for investors or brokers. All have the right to have it.

yes, the funny thing is that people want profit but they also want a 0% risk, so it's definitely not possible. even a salesman is at risk of dealing with people they don't expect just to get a salary. So we should let this crypto run naturally, and expect no manipulation anymore in the future.

What do people ask? it is all about the bull run and nothing more.
But people is not that good, they are on panic (mostly)
but what do we really need? it is not the bull run or what, all we need at first is just the knowledge to use in cryptocurrency.

People were complaining before about high volatility and it slowed for a few months. But one thing we have to understand is that it will continue to be volatile. Probably just not as much in the future but any steady movement will not really last the way people want to.

I would say that we are seeing a fall in the price of bitcoin all year. Do not reduce bitcoin volatility.

Asking for less volatility of bitcoin is akin for asking for centralized structure for bitcoin.
We need to understand that what makes bitcoin bitcoin is it's high volatile nature.
We cannot do without the volatility as it is a core feature of bitcoin.

Volatility is an integral part of the cryptocurrency market. It will fall or grow no longer matters if it is an endless process. And all the more impossible to please everyone.

High volatility of a cryptocurrency, or its relatively stable price, will be equally bad for cryptocurrency. In my opinion, the question is not that the whole cryptocurrency has greater price volatility or relative price stability. These are both extremes that we do not need. It seems to me that Bitcoin should not have the current high level of capitalization and should not have price dominance over other types of cryptocurrency. Then some coins will grow in value, others will fall, and others will stand still. There will be an ordinary free market without a hard price dictate. I think it will ever be.

In recent years, the profile of people in the bitcoin world has changed considerably, and some think that a somewhat lively market can be an effective way for healthy development. However, it can be accepted by everyone that there should be a strong upward revision to see that the recent downturn has been effectively halted by the market, and developments in the last two days should not be seen as merely a volatility issue.

Cryptocurrency differs from another currency precisely in its high price volatility. It is due to the high volatility of many cryptocurrency brings a good profit. Therefore, without the possibility of earning a periodic sharp rise and fall in the price of cryptocurrency to many, of course, it will be boring.
However, the high volatility of cryptocurrency also has a negative side, as it prevents states from legalizing it and using it in business.
The current price of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies will be dissatisfied with many, as they still remember the recent high prices and compare the value of their coins and tokens with these high prices.

no need buddy . bitcoin nowadays is already  becoming stable , thanks to the bloody market because this makes people get scared to invest because they think that bitcoin cannot recover anymore .


yes  . we already understand it  . volatility is our friend but idk why someone still hate it  .they didnt like when btc goes down because it can take forever to  for the price to recover  .


yes . i cant imagine if bitcoin is not volatile  . i think it wont be indemand and the value cannot grow drastically .

People always find something to complain about what they have. Hard to satisfy them. If there's high volatility, someone will complain. If it's low, someone will also complain. And it depends on the reason why you're hear and what your purpose is... We have our own perspective about the volatility of bitcoin. There's always pros and cons about it.

Imho high price volatility is not a feature, just a quirk of being new, yet-to-be-adopted - thus highly speculative in value. Even when the price hasn't moved in months, it's still speculative and not adoption-based so you can't be confident that the volatility would end any time soon.

Bull run is what we want to take profit, and yet its not happening though the price looks stable right now but still not guaranteed that the volatility level was lessen. We need to be patience, and knowledge is also important so we can understand why bitcoin needs to dump in order to achieve a brighter future, the best price is soon to happen.

And it won't happen because you are trying to take profits. This attitude makes you sell whenever there's a small bull run and price goes back down. The speculators who want to earn some fiat money on bull runs are the reasons these bull runs are so small and insignificant. It won't change until you start thinking about long-term profits.

High volatile in bitcoin price because the market still unregulated in many country and most people or investor speculating on bitcoin price for short term. If bitcoin regulated by government, market must be more calm and more stable.

We can use both high and low volatility to our advantage. That is what makes crypto great. In both situations, there are several possibilities in which users can profit off. Even though Bitcoin is very well associated with high volatility, there's no need to look at lesser volatility in a negative way. We're not used to slower price movements, but stability can also spark the interest of those new to crypto.

In a way yes since the volatility wasn't present these days ,looking for good startups is this kind of season when the market stabilizes more,we can purchase without any fear of changing value instantly not like in the past couple of years when after purchasing the coins may grow,or go fall just that.i have bought few coins and until now the price is almost intact

Not every users the same, when the market was fluctuating some started to describe it is worse and we needs a stable value, so that it'll be good. By the same time majority were attracted to the volatility of the bitcoin. Being stable is preferred by the people who doesn't need to be on a riskier side. They always want to be safe. As in the Op those people now feel much bad as the growth didn't progress high for a longer time period.

the truth is whatever happens to bitcoin, people will surely complain. Bitcoin price was volatile at one point in time and the complain was something else now the price has dropped and has been stable a while now and they still complain about price not going up. We have surely gotten what we wanted which is stability