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Title: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: S_Therapist on October 14, 2018, 11:09:53 AM https://bpip.org/report.aspx?r=unluckyhero&a=1 I was curious to check how many members are waiting to be Legendary. There are 157 hero members with at least 1000 merits. ATM, the highest activity is 1022 by LordPiccolo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=207821), and likely to be Legendary in the next activity period if he maintains the activity update requirement.Now shows only those members that have enough merit to rank up, based on how unlucky they are in the activity field. a=1 only shows active members - remove it for all. (There are a lot of inactive members) On the other hand, the minimum activity with 1000 merits is 552 by Rollin.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346430). I thought s/he achieved those merits. I was curious to see his/her posts. However, in bpip, it shows s/he has not got a single merit. So, why has he been airdropped 1000 merits?In the same category, there are more 5 persons who have got 1000 airdropped merit with less than 775 activities (Minimum for being Legendary). 4 persons have more than 700 activities which can also be logical. Can someone explain me, please? I am little curious actually. Link to the list- https://bpip.org/report.aspx?r=unluckyhero Thank you Vod (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747) for providing us with such interesting information. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: Gloverwrt on October 14, 2018, 11:21:36 AM I believe the merit score of any user can only be dated back to the last 120 days and after that it can no longer be traced.
So possibly they gained merits after the airdrop which took place early this year . I believe the merit score of any user can only be dated back to the last 120 days and after that it can no longer be traced. BPIP (https://bpip.org) allows us to track a full merit history. I wasn't aware of that. Duely noted now. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: Piggy on October 14, 2018, 11:22:49 AM It's quite simple, some hero member got extra merit when the system was introduced, you can see in here theymos mentioning it:
While specific formula is not given, theymos wrote that the initial sMerit is not solely determined by rank, but determined by rank and activity points obtained in the last year. The exact formula was: Code: yearActivity = activity in the last ~year, max 378 So the most you could get is if you were a Legendary who maxed out your activity points in the last year, in which case you would get 1 * 0.4 * 1000 = 400 sMerit. Note that I later made an adjustment giving 500 extra merit to some hero members, but no extra sMerit was given here. I'll probably publish a dump of the initial sMerit at some point. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: Rath_ on October 14, 2018, 11:23:34 AM It might be possible that Rollin.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346430) was a Legendary member but due to a huge number of deleted posts his activity went down as well. If I deleted more than half of my posts, I would get demoted to a Full Member but my merit would remain the same. A few months ago, moderators deleted many useless threads. He might have posted in a lot of them.
I believe the merit score of any user can only be dated back to the last 120 days and after that it can no longer be traced. BPIP (https://bpip.org) allows us to track a full merit history. It's quite simple, some hero member got extra merit when the system was introduced, you can see in here theymos mentioning it: Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: S_Therapist on October 14, 2018, 11:25:01 AM I believe the merit score of any user can only be dated back to the last 120 days and after that it can no longer be traced. In bpip, you can check the history of merits of a person, not only for 120 days.Link- bpip.org (http://bpip.org) Credit- Vod (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747) It's quite simple, some hero member got extra merit when the system was introduced, you can see in here theymos mentioning it: But why with only 552 activities? Any specific reason?Note that I later made an adjustment giving 500 extra merit to some hero members, but no extra sMerit was given here. It might be possible that Rollin.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346430) was a Legendary member but due to a huge number of deleted posts his activity went down as well. BPIP also provides modlogs for each user. No post was deleted for that user.This post explains why everyone got a different amount of sMerit. It's not the same. He indicated this one.Note that I later made an adjustment giving 500 extra merit to some hero members, but no extra sMerit was given here. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: Piggy on October 14, 2018, 11:37:38 AM But why with only 552 activities? Any specific reason? It's because they had reached already the minimum activity required to become Legendary, which is between 775-1030 activity, i should have specified this before. Anyway activity can be reduced by deleting posts i think this may be the case. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: S_Therapist on October 14, 2018, 11:40:42 AM But why with only 552 activities? Any specific reason? It's because they had reached already the minimum activity required to become Legendary, which is between 775-1030 activity, i should have specified this before.Anyway activity can be reduced by deleting posts i think this may be the case. From BPIP, no modlog is there for Rollin.io, for the rest, the maximum deleted posts are 2 only. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: LoyceV on October 14, 2018, 12:05:33 PM It might be possible that Rollin.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346430) was a Legendary member but due to a huge number of deleted posts his activity went down as well. I've lost contact with Rollin.io the moment they closed the site. I didn't know about the deleted posts, and it raises some questions.First: why is the account no longer Legendary? It was Legendary on November 26, 2017 (https://web.archive.org/web/20171126084248/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346430), with 550 posts (which means the posts were deleted before that). As far as I know, the Legendary status doesn't get deranked when posts are deleted. That raises the question: when did they derank to Hero? I'm also surprised the last (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1674772.msg43328462#msg43328462) 2 posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1674772.msg43659044#msg43659044) were on a former competitor. For reference: on December 5, 2015 (https://web.archive.org/web/20151205084125/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346430), they had 660 posts. It's because they had reached already the minimum activity required to become Legendary, which is between 775-1030 activity, i should have specified this before. I think they were Legendary with 550 Activity when Merit was introduced, received 1000 Merit, and deranked to Hero after that. I'm curious why.Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: Piggy on October 14, 2018, 12:07:10 PM I don't think Vod keeps track of the deleted messages, which are deleted by the user itself. As far as i understand those indicated in there are messages deleted by a moderator.
If so there is no way to know what was the activity when the merit system was introduced, but is safe to assume was between 775-1030, there should not be any big mistery here. :) Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: TryNinja on October 14, 2018, 12:35:09 PM I don't think Vod keeps track of the deleted messages, which are deleted by the user itself. As far as i understand those indicated in there are messages deleted by a moderator. He can't really keep track of this. He knows when a post is deleted by the mod because he's always monitoring the mod log. But when a user deletes his post, nothing shows up anywhere.Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: S_Therapist on October 19, 2018, 12:20:42 PM ~snip~ Any update? I am also now little curious on it.Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: pugman on October 19, 2018, 12:26:28 PM ... Maybe these members got 1000 airdropped merits because of what some people call "potential activity"? IIRC, potential activity is the ungained activity due to lack of enough posts to reach that activity. Sometimes the activity system confuses me, but I am too busy procrastinating ,so never bother to figure out why. theymos could just throw all the curiousness to drain, but until then, bring on all the weird-ass theories and conspiracies. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: TheBeardedBaby on October 19, 2018, 12:46:48 PM In the link that was given by LoyceV, you have 4 snapshots of the profile >
https://web.archive.org/web/20160127022427/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346430 on 27th of Jan 2016 he had Quote Name: Rollin.io Posts: 702 Activity: 602 Position: Hero Member Date Registered: June 21, 2014, 10:35:27 AM Last Active: January 26, 2016, 11:07:35 PM On 26th Nov. 2017 ha had Quote Name: Rollin.io Posts: 550 Activity: 550 Position: Legendary Date Registered: June 21, 2014, 10:35:27 AM Last Active: November 23, 2017, 08:22:07 PM One a bit off-topic question which should be directed to theymos > If you de-rank from a Legendary to Hero (of course, if this is possible) in order to rank back up do you need to reach the same activity as the first time or it's again a random number between 775-1030? Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: DdmrDdmr on October 19, 2018, 03:16:23 PM <...> If you de-rank from a Legendary to Hero (of course, if this is possible) in order to rank back up do you need to reach the same activity as the first time or it's again a random number between 775-1030? I’ve seen a few de-ranked cases from Legendary a lower rank by deleting posts:Wolf0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=80740) was a Legendary on the 07/09/2018 (posts 6034; activity 1078; merit 1002) and is now a Member (posts 81; activity 81; Merit 1002). jpoker272727 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36641) was a Legendary on the 31/08/2018 (posts 1021; activity 1021; merit 1000), a week later he was a Hero just by deleting 4 net posts (posts 1017; activity 1017; Merit 1000). By the 05/10/2018 he got back to Legendary (posts 1021; activity 1020; Merit 1000). cpfreeplz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=555171) was a Legendary on the 31/08/2018 (posts 2282; activity 924; merit 1033), a week later he was a Hero just by deleting 2 net posts (posts 2280; activity 910; Merit 1033). By the 28/09/2018 he got back to Legendary (posts 2279; activity 924; Merit 1033). So even deleting a few posts when the activity is way above the minimum threshold is no guarantee of not being de-raked from Legendary to Hero. It seems as if an activity decrease causes a re-evaluation process, at least if you are in the random activity range (775-1030). Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: Lafu on October 19, 2018, 03:24:37 PM Wolf0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=80740) was a Legendary on the 07/09/2018 (posts 6034; activity 1078; merit 1002) and is now a Member (posts 81; activity 81; Merit 1002). Wolf0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=80740) is a mining software developer most based on AMD cards " Wolf's XMR GPU Miner " and cpu mining " Wolf's XMR/BCN/DSH CPUMiner " , and i got some write with him back in his active days ! Awesome coder ! Looks like the Account is sold maybe or something and thats why posts got deleted ! This user's email address was changed recently. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: Findingnemo on October 19, 2018, 03:46:33 PM Wolf0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=80740) was a Legendary on the 07/09/2018 (posts 6034; activity 1078; merit 1002) and is now a Member (posts 81; activity 81; Merit 1002). Wolf0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=80740) is a mining software developer most based on AMD cards " Wolf's XMR GPU Miner " and cpu mining " Wolf's XMR/BCN/DSH CPUMiner " , and i got some write with him back in his active days ! Awesome coder ! Looks like the Account is sold maybe or something and thats why posts got deleted ! This user's email address was changed recently. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: DdmrDdmr on October 19, 2018, 03:52:33 PM <…> Yeah, I figure it must have been a bought account in the case of @Wolf0. The other two cases puzzle me. Is there an activity area for Legendries where a deleted post can mean getting de-ranked, but one is perhaps in the clear above that threshold? If so, could a non-self deleted post activate the same effect (i.e. trashed thread by mod). It seems a bit frail is so.Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: jackg on October 19, 2018, 08:04:12 PM It's quite simple, some hero member got extra merit when the system was introduced, you can see in here theymos mentioning it: While specific formula is not given, theymos wrote that the initial sMerit is not solely determined by rank, but determined by rank and activity points obtained in the last year. The exact formula was: Code: yearActivity = activity in the last ~year, max 378 So the most you could get is if you were a Legendary who maxed out your activity points in the last year, in which case you would get 1 * 0.4 * 1000 = 400 sMerit. Note that I later made an adjustment giving 500 extra merit to some hero members, but no extra sMerit was given here. I'll probably publish a dump of the initial sMerit at some point. That seems wrong. I got 192 sMerit and I don't think I missed an activity period over the last year which is a bit confusing. Is there an extra figure that got left out there? I believe the merit score of any user can only be dated back to the last 120 days and after that it can no longer be traced. In bpip, you can check the history of merits of a person, not only for 120 days.Link- bpip.org (http://bpip.org) Credit- Vod (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747) It's quite simple, some hero member got extra merit when the system was introduced, you can see in here theymos mentioning it: But why with only 552 activities? Any specific reason?Note that I later made an adjustment giving 500 extra merit to some hero members, but no extra sMerit was given here. It might be possible that Rollin.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346430) was a Legendary member but due to a huge number of deleted posts his activity went down as well. BPIP also provides modlogs for each user. No post was deleted for that user.This post explains why everyone got a different amount of sMerit. It's not the same. He indicated this one.Note that I later made an adjustment giving 500 extra merit to some hero members, but no extra sMerit was given here. Jet Cash also didn't get the 500 merit and I think he was a bit above a hero when the merit system came out (not entirely sure though). Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: bitart on October 19, 2018, 09:12:06 PM ... Jet Cash has reached the 1000 merits on his own, the original merit count was 500 for him. He has collected the merits fairly quickly to become a Legendary as far as I rememberJet Cash also didn't get the 500 merit and I think he was a bit above a hero when the merit system came out (not entirely sure though). Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: jackg on October 20, 2018, 01:49:17 PM ... Jet Cash has reached the 1000 merits on his own, the original merit count was 500 for him. He has collected the merits fairly quickly to become a Legendary as far as I rememberJet Cash also didn't get the 500 merit and I think he was a bit above a hero when the merit system came out (not entirely sure though). I know but I thought he was at the requirement to get the extra 500 merit was the thing I was questioning? If I understood it right, 500 extra merit was given to some hero members to get them up to legendary if they had a certain activity high enough for it. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: DarkStar_ on October 20, 2018, 04:46:29 PM ... Jet Cash has reached the 1000 merits on his own, the original merit count was 500 for him. He has collected the merits fairly quickly to become a Legendary as far as I rememberJet Cash also didn't get the 500 merit and I think he was a bit above a hero when the merit system came out (not entirely sure though). I know but I thought he was at the requirement to get the extra 500 merit was the thing I was questioning? If I understood it right, 500 extra merit was given to some hero members to get them up to legendary if they had a certain activity high enough for it. Don't be lazy and check for yourself. https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jet%20Cash They weren't at the activity requirement for the extra 500 merit. Title: Re: How did they get 1000 merits? Post by: jackg on October 20, 2018, 06:37:33 PM ... Jet Cash has reached the 1000 merits on his own, the original merit count was 500 for him. He has collected the merits fairly quickly to become a Legendary as far as I rememberJet Cash also didn't get the 500 merit and I think he was a bit above a hero when the merit system came out (not entirely sure though). I know but I thought he was at the requirement to get the extra 500 merit was the thing I was questioning? If I understood it right, 500 extra merit was given to some hero members to get them up to legendary if they had a certain activity high enough for it. Don't be lazy and check for yourself. https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jet%20Cash They weren't at the activity requirement for the extra 500 merit. Im after his activity st the time though? His activity now is 1036, the merit system cane out about 9 months ago? So that means 1036-9*30=776 so that means he was just slightly below the 775 needed (ahhhhhh). |