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The reason why I ask is because I did the cyberfm (reddit) bounty campaign and got awarded the highest stakes for that campaign initially as I put in a lot of effort creating unique posts and posting them in different relevant subreddits.

Then some days before distribution, I checked the campaign spreadsheet again and noticed my stakes/rewards had been reduced significantly and I was scored zero stakes for the final week in which I put in most effort.

I complained to the bounty manager and he replied that I spammed. I was shocked as all the posts were uniquely different from each other. I asked him to clarify how that can be defined as spam. He (or she) said it was because I was posting too fast one after the other without allowing a 3 to 4 minute interval.

I lost over $400 because of this and I just have to ask the great people of this forum what they understand by the word "spam". Does it really have anything to do with the timing of your unique posts? Or is this just a lame excuse to cheat me of my honest earnings?

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The definition of spam includes the fact that the distributor of information sends mass advertising messages to recipients who do not want to receive it. Indirectly, this definition is similar to the case described in this discussion above. I don't know how long you've been bounty hunting, but usually the conditions indicate that there is a 1 hour gap between messages, otherwise you can do everything at once. But I think that with a large number of companies, you can get confused, so you need to immediately make a gap between them, so that there are no such situations.

Looks a bit more like a rapid-posting rather than spamming. You may be banned from Bitcointalk for sending too many post in a short interval, call it spam or anything else.

i am it a fan of bounty camapugns as i believe tahf there are other ways to find out what is the best for ylu and to earn money

If we ever read the rules of a bounty campaign, sometimes there are rules that are very disciplined and make participants really have to qualify for the campaign. And sometimes there are rules that can be changed at any time. In this case you and also we must be really more thorough in carrying out campaign tasks, so as not to experience removal from members or participants. But I think in this case, you have tried very hard. This will be a very valuable experience for all of us as participants when participating in the campaign. If it is said to be spam, that is their right as manager. We can only follow the rules they make and at least do the job as well as possible. KEEP THE SPIRIT..!!

Someone actually quoted the entire lengthy post just to post a incoherent one-liner. I feel like calling the cops on him ;D.

To the issue at hand, I feel the bounty manager did not clearly spell out what they meant by spam. He may have posted unique posts albeit less than 5 minutes interval, which some people with busy schedules in the real world do, so long as they're not of low quality. I think he deserves to be paid by the bounty manager as no part in the rules stated the timing apart for each post

Yes, I also saw that it was a matter of time when you were too fast in a post not in line with the rank you have, a few hours better bear less than a few hours, so that it's called spam by making successive posts, you also have to understand that every rule here must be followed in great detail, for each rank is certainly different, I think that you are indeed guilty of consecutive posts in a very short time, it becomes a lesson to be able to participate in every bounty campaign.

Okay don't ever react on this- They are just following the rules of BItcointalk= it suppose to be 360 seconds gap time before posting another post- or give atleat 10 mins per post this is a safe zone for me so Moderators will not give you a red mark for spamming. Be careful next time okay

Not sure your protest will yield any results except they decide to award you stakes on compassionate grounds. Some of these bounty managers try to emulate the rules on Bitcointalk for the bounties they manage, hence the strict rule on posts and time interval between posts. Sometimes, it's intended to protect you as a bounty hunter, in order not to seen as a spammer and the moderator deletes your posts and bans the account.

Spamming means sending indiscriminate message to a large number of users at the same time without giving time interval. That is what I  know as spamming initially. But joining this forum I have come to the realization that everyone have their own definition of every and anything based on individual understanding. I see that certain ranks cannot post on topics or create many new ones as fast as you may want to do so because everything has been programmed and monitored. So to avoid putting your posts and comments as spam, you allow some time interval. I also noticed that searching sometimes so fast attracts warnings. So let’s calm down and have some fun while we post to earn.

Spamming basically means posting the same things over and over again in a bid to increase your post count on the forum. It could be something like a bot programmed to post the same thing over and over again or it could be someone just coming and copy pasting the post of others on the forum. Basically just posting useless things

I think apart from the timing which seem obvious that you could have gone against it, maybe your posts too where not quality enough as to making much contribution to the topic. Offline or off topic and one liner can also be termed as spamming.

In my own opinion I think this is cheating , their reason just doesn’t make any sense to me– marked spam just because you posted within 3 to 4 minutes of each post, that doesn’t make it a spam. Spam means repeating the post several times on different pages.

So this is cheating,cause as long as you made unique posts, then it shouldn’t be labeled as spam. Try to reason with them, if it doesn’t work then leave it, you still can’t force them. So you’ve got to take whatever they give you.

He  already clarify to you the reason why you didn't get the stake. Even here in bitcointalk.org you must have an interval of post to avoid spamming. Even if you have a unique post but the interval is few minutes away it is already considered as spam. Try that in Facebook and you will get an automatic ban.

I thought it was just me  ;D

To the OP, I don't know but I think you deserve to get paid since you posted in several relevant subreddits.
Just to be clear, how many did you post in one subreddit? Maybe you posted too many in 1 day?

This is the sad part and all just happen in the end of the campaign sounds interesting! I think i smell something fishy here, this problems are not new at all, At first the bounty thread is not specifically pinpoint some weird rules and you just surprised in the end that you are violating the rules well the definition of Spam according to the Dictionary is this!    Spam
/spam/Submit
noun
1.
irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients.
verb
1.
send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet.
are you doing this element to be call as spammers if not its obvious you been cheated!

Yes he said it right, you can spam by sending the same topic again and again with no reform and adequate timing , which might also result in banning you from a group , you must have done such before your stake was revoked. So try to post with spacing and timing next time to avoid such cause you have also confirmed it in your post that you post alot which result to spam.

They are posted in different subreddits with different users potentially. Not just one. So how does it term as being called spam? I think some of these campaign managers are very irrational if you ask me

Listen to yourself. You must be joking! You can request for the reports and I will show it to you. I made different posts in each subreddit and the manager knows this. That was why I was given the highest stakes at the onset. For some reason he decided to strip me of my hard earned rewards several weeks later without my knowledge. The bounty itself has its issues with wrong rewards allocation

Spam means, when you take part in 50 bounty campaigns in Twitter and Facebook. This means that you should make 20-30 reposts per day and if you are doing this at one time, it means spam. If you have such a situation, just try to make at least 30 min/ 1 hour pause between reposting the next post.

I post one in one subreddit per day. Also before the bounty I contacted the manager and asked him if there was a limit to how many I can post in a day. He said NO. Meaning I can post as many as possible

To spam is to do anything that is definitely against the rule of the bounty which the person is participating in. For instance a rule in the bounty campaign states "No one is permitted to say the word BOUNTY in the Official Telegram Group of the project except in their telegram" and some default, that person has spam, and the manager can take the disciplinary action required according to the rule.

Normally, spam has to do with sending unsolicited messages or writing unnecessary posts within a short time frame, in which this case, you clarified you did not do that, but you admitted to the fact that you posted within a short time frame. I cannot say if this is something that was necessary considering the fact that when you post too much within a short period, it is something that can be hard not to classify as spamming as well, when you could have made longer comments in a longer time frame of each other.

In this case, you more like broke it down into pieces so as to increase the count. It may be relevant, but rules are rules, and even though literally that may not be a spam, but most times in this space, it is regarded as spam or posting too rapidly, which is even frowned at even on the forum itself.

From what I have seen and experienced on different bounty campaigns, there could be a lot of definitions to spamming depending on what the bounty manager wants. However, some general cases of spamming I have seen includes:
1. Going against some rules and regulations of any section of the bounty campaign could amount to spamming;
=> in signature campaign, post like 'well done' 'good project' 'wonderful team' and so on that of low quality and doesn't contribute positively to the progress of the Bitcoin community are spams.
=> in Facebook campaign, if the bounty request you to write a custom post(s) about the project, writing words like those ones quoted above may be counted as spam.
=> in telegram campaign also, if you post unwanted/undesirable advertisements non related to the purpose of that telegram community, you're definitely spamming that group.

One of the ways of avoiding or reducing spamming in bounty campaigns is to read the general rules of the campaign very well and read every rule pertaining to each of the campaign section you're participating in.

logically true enough what the manager. the post too quickly would certainly indicate that you just want to just finish your work quickly without thinking about the topic or the obvious reasons why do you write such things. When looking for a safe haven than at least give pause between each post so that safe and learn from that experience.

If you posted more than 5 post per day you are doing a breaking rules. Because the minimum post per day is only 5 that is enough, But once you've post more than that. You are obviously a spammer, Sometimes read some rules before to join on the campaign to avoid the penalty of the campaigns. To ensure your stakes and keep still the same since first.

If you didn't copy and paste content, or make non-sense posts in threads just to bump yourself up for the purposes of the bounty then it may be the bounty managers squeezing you.  If that's the case, that sucks.  Not sure what recourse you obtain by posting this here though, unless the managers take notice.

In my opinion, I don't consider your post as a spam but the interval in posting should be atleast every 30 minutes in every post. That is the usual case where people could not be given stakes because of the interval time which is so short. Probably next time,you should consider posting twice in 1 hour. with this, i'm pretty sure you will be able to get stakes and your postings will no longer be considered a spam post.

From the screen shot you posted, I think the manager of the campaign made it pretty clear enough what he is referring to which is what is classified as spam. Trying to make posts within a few minutes range is considered spamming in my opinion and he was right.

Better not to push your luck too far if you are guilty and try making amendment next time. So the question now is that, are you guilty of what you are being prosecuted for or not? As that is what would determine if it was a fair play or not.

I think, It's a misunderstanding in classifying the spam. You think that your post has been compatible with the rule, but the bounty manager doesn't think like that. I know your feeling dude, but you can do nothing again. Hope this will be a great lesson for you, so you will read and understand the rules well before joining any bounty campaigns in the future.