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Title: Jesus is coming back again
Post by: just_me on March 07, 2014, 06:22:28 PM

Jesus is coming back again with the clouds


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: RodeoX on March 07, 2014, 06:27:19 PM
If you monitor a know address of his (I'm not sure how "known" his addresses are), then you should be able to see the coins move out to another address. At least I thought that's what people meant?


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: luckytiger on March 07, 2014, 06:27:53 PM
Because of chain/block explorers.

some of the first bitcoins were allagedly mined by satoshi.
Meaning that that was his first addres, holding all the bitcoins.

We can see with the chain/block exploreres where that money goes to, because sending bitcoins leaves a transaction. Since we cant tell what addres belongs to who we can never be sure.

But we can guess since we can see the addresses holding the most bitcoins, and we can check their movement.

Also satoshi used to be active in the bitcoin movement so i guess he probably has made some transactions in the past, so we should be able to link those.

correct me if i am wrong


EDIT: how we know what adress is his?
Look for an old adress.
Wich recieved one of the first bitcoins or the first bitcoin.
Wich hasnt been active since 2011
and finaly has a ton of bitcoins stored

also i believe he was active on bitcointalk in the past


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: Lauda on March 07, 2014, 06:30:41 PM
You go to: https://blockchain.info/
You enter one of his addresses: 19zYTT7QoCqURn5oZw8VMMSo4tbpERUB4i (this one is mine, which is used in the signature)
You get to a page looking like this: https://blockchain.info/address/19zYTT7QoCqURn5oZw8VMMSo4tbpERUB4i

As soon as a transaction is made, to or from that address you will see it.


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: Peter R on March 07, 2014, 07:03:23 PM
All we know if that many of the early block rewards have not been touched and that many of these likely belong to Satoshi.  

I would expect that some of the early block rewards that have been moved also belong to Satoshi.  He could use these without causing a stir, of course, as no one would have any idea that it was him.  Furthermore, even if he moved a few coins from, say, 2010, I don't think it would really be noticed, as those coins could belong to many people.  


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: Chucky1976 on March 07, 2014, 07:08:53 PM
I'm sure that none of those idiots could figure it out!! They can't even launch a website that works!!


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: ibminer on March 07, 2014, 07:13:45 PM
When we send bitcoins, we are not sending from an address, but we are anonymous(this was my understanding)

So, it doesn't matter if we know the receiving address where a million bitcoins went to,

the guy can just send those coins elsewhere in small amounts and no one knows where they came from?

 ???

You misunderstand how Bitcoin works. You should probably do some more research.




What I am saying, is that when we send bitcoins, there isn't any sending address involved, and the sender is anonymous. Sure, the receiving address is known, because that is where the coins are going to, but the sending address is unknown

If that is not how it works, then please explain

The sender is anonymous because the sending address is not the senders name/address/picture/etc... but your addresses themselves are public on the blockchain, and there is a sending address on every transaction that I believe would match an address in the wallet that sent the coins.


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: pheaonix on March 07, 2014, 07:24:58 PM
please don't help this evangelical scammer understand extremely simple shit


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: coiner8 on March 07, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
I think OP is just trolling guys.  He's got 809 posts and nearly a year old account.  His posting history is mostly flamebaiting.


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: Peter R on March 07, 2014, 07:28:23 PM
All we know if that many of the early block rewards have not been touched and that many of these likely belong to Satoshi.  

I would expect that some of the early block rewards that have been moved also belong to Satoshi.  He could use these without causing a stir, of course, as no one would have any idea that it was him.  Furthermore, even if he moved a few coins from, say, 2010, I don't think it would really be noticed, as those coins could belong to many people.  


So you are saying that you can see who the sender is, but how?

How do you associate the receiving address, with later sending to a different address and a different wallet?


All transactions are recorded in the blockchain, so the sending and receiving addresses for every transaction are public.  Whether an address can be tied back to a person depends on whether a link has been made between that bitcoin address and its owner.    

Here's an example:  someone just donated 5 mBTC to the Dorian Nakamoto donation fund:

https://blockchain.info/tx/3a19fc45a21db26b1d6030722e7327184985c0a0c29ab54e1b4a3b2ea21a05ec

We know Andreas currently controls the 1Dorian4RoXcnBv9hnQ4Y2C1an6NJ4UrjX address, because it's all over Twitter, Reddit, and he's posted a PGP-signed message (which I haven't verified BTW but I trust the existing evidence that this is him).  

But who sent this 5 mBTC donation?  We know the funds were sent from bitcoin address 1Lmp8bLw1ViSXXB339XwqyETVFypEEsYZf but I have no clue who controls this address and nor do I care.  However, if the owner of this address wanted to prove that he made this donation, he could use this address's private key to sign a message to prove it!  Make sense?

Now, in the case of Satoshi, it's a bit different.  Here is the 4th block ever found:

https://blockchain.info/block-index/4

You'll see there are 50 bitcoins sitting at address 1FvzCLoTPGANNjWoUo6jUGuAG3wg1w4YjR.  We don't know for sure, but there's a reasonable chance that Satoshi mined those coins because we know he mined a lot of the early coins.  

So if 1FvzCLoTPGANNjWoUo6jUGuAG3wg1w4YjR made a 50 BTC donation to Dorian, everybody would be jumping up and down right now!




Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: casascius on March 07, 2014, 07:29:30 PM
Someone has speculated that a certain set of coins belongs to Satoshi, and in particular, they point out that an anomaly in early versions of the Bitcoin software allows someone to determine which blocks were mined by the same person.  The way mining used to work is when you started a miner, it would put a "1" in a certain field of the first block it mined, "2" in the second, and so on... until you restarted the miner, which would restart the count over again at 1.  By analyzing the block chain and looking for those ascending patterns of numbers (and watching them break and restart at 1), someone out there has hypothesized that by starting from the earliest blocks and following the pattern forward, they believe they have a good chance at knowing which coins are Satoshi's.


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: CurbsideProphet on March 07, 2014, 09:53:07 PM
It's quasi-anonymous and the blockchain is a ledger.  I understand most of you know this, but this is for the OP.


Title: Re: Satoshi can send bitcoins without anyone knowing, or please explain how we
Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on March 07, 2014, 09:58:55 PM
There is no from address, Bitcoin uses things called inputs and outputs. There could be multiple inputs and multiple outputs.