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Title: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: escapefrom3dom on October 28, 2018, 01:39:31 AM as a OP of DeepOnion ru ann thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2281372) i wanna inform about a such type of attacks when: attacker creates multiply bct accounts and starts posting flood simultaniosly from all of 'em.
well, what can i say about this button "Report to moderador" – ain't gonna help – mods can't handle everything & everytime (they're just human). believe me, i know what i'm telling about. here is a little time span example: https://i.imgur.com/oQwYuau.png suggesting the solution: restriction for posting from newbies accounts (fresh time creation – needs to be adjustable) + deny posting from specified accounts list (add the options to every moderated thread) – after such precautions attacker won't be able to continue his actions. if this is unattainable with the help of only the forum functionality, it's possible to use automation tools, though is much more difficult for an unskilled users. upd. >> conclusion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5058568.msg47429540#msg47429540) Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: Lafu on October 28, 2018, 02:08:02 AM Report this user with a reference to this thread and an advice for a ban , reason multiposting !
Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: escapefrom3dom on October 28, 2018, 02:14:39 AM Report this user with a reference to this thread and an advice for a ban , reason multiposting ! ain't gonna help regarding he's using several accounts and quite dedicated to create more. it's gonna be an endless merry-go-round thing. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: Lafu on October 28, 2018, 02:22:23 AM he's using several accounts and quite dedicated to create more. So maybe post all this Accounts you know from him here in a list so we can try to get on them or a global mod can handle it ! Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: escapefrom3dom on October 28, 2018, 02:26:23 AM he's using several accounts and quite dedicated to create more. So maybe post all this Accounts you know from him here in a list so we can try to get on them or a global mod can handle it ! ok, let's assume this is done. what may happen next – the attacker creates a bunch of newbies and starts posting again. i'm suggesting a global solution wich is gonna lead to spam/flood reducing and facilitating mods duties. p.s. the local ru bct mods only watching from the side (despite repeated complaints): they painted the trust of few accounts but the show was going on until we locked the old ann ru thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608) for example just take a look at p. 755 of the old ru ann thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.15080) – there are 6 hard flood posts and 4 of them are with a harsh curse (they are still non-deleted at the current post time): https://i.imgur.com/68WTRUH.png https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.msg47081522#msg47081522 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.msg47081522#msg47081522) https://i.imgur.com/68WTRUH.png https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.msg47143765#msg47143765 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.msg47143765#msg47143765) https://i.imgur.com/eOJlOiu.png https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.msg47166396#msg47166396 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.msg47166396#msg47166396) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.msg47167167#msg47167167 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.msg47167167#msg47167167) the list of some attacker's accounts (all of 'em are with the newbie rank): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1172566 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1172566) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2417838 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2417838) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2404342 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2404342) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400417 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400417) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2407213 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2407213) curse used in the nickname https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400448 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400448) impersonating https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1271951 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1271951) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400356 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400356) impersonating https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=992853 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=992853) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400371 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400371) impersonating https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=186428 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=186428) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400914 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400914) impersonating https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1019922 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1019922) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400881 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2400881) impersonating my account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=947014) =================================== a thread that is designed to spread insults and misinformation about DeepOnion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5055964 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5055964) =================================== these threads are also suffering hard from this kind of attack from the same single person: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3342647 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3342647) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4395857 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4395857) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2688283 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2688283) Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: LoyceMobile on October 28, 2018, 06:11:30 AM I'd say require at least 1 Merit to post in the altcoin section.
Paid bumping services have evolved after recent changes to deal with them. They went from 35 accounts per thread to about 500. It has completely broken the altcoin board. Spammers create thousands of accounts at a time now. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: S_Therapist on October 28, 2018, 06:40:03 AM I'd say require at least 1 Merit to post in the altcoin section. 90% paid bump/bot would reduce if this got implemented. Most of the ANN threads are bumped daily more than hundreds of time either through some users manually or with some bots. If 1 merit would required, the rate will significatly drop because most of the bots account get banned often.Well, it would be more easy to say only Jr Member can post on altcoins thread. Newbies should be restricted, at least for avoiding the shady bump. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: Veleor on October 28, 2018, 07:17:34 AM I'd say require at least 1 Merit to post in the altcoin section. You can add this offer to the special list that it is not lost here.Community generated suggestions to improve the forum (+ eventual voting on them) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4893744.msg44062249#msg44062249) Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: TheBeardedBaby on October 28, 2018, 07:26:29 AM I warned about this some time ago that it will be possible to use bots to discredit the good projects.
There's a lot of room to make shit with those bots. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: marlboroza on October 28, 2018, 10:18:09 AM Newbie jail?
Problem solved. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: xZork on October 28, 2018, 10:32:05 AM snip I think there is no perfect solution for your problem for now as even if you could report most of them they can just create more bunch of them with just some codes and clicks.Even if the mods or admins permanently banned the IPs, it's pretty much easy for them to switch to a new one and again continue their work of shilling the threads. For now, we could just hope that there would be some restrictions for newbies to post in some threads as even if we have banned them from ranking up still they can comment in any thread and build up any type of scams to earn attention. My suggestion to the admins would be limiting the thread bump to at least a jr.member level account ( Thread will move up word in the list only if a jr.member and higher rank comments on it). I think this is the best solution to solve this problem of irritating BOTs. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: escapefrom3dom on October 28, 2018, 12:27:01 PM snip I think there is no perfect solution for your problem for now as even if you could report most of them they can just create more bunch of them with just some codes and clicks.Even if the mods or admins permanently banned the IPs, it's pretty much easy for them to switch to a new one and again continue their work of shilling the threads. For now, we could just hope that there would be some restrictions for newbies to post in some threads as even if we have banned them from ranking up still they can comment in any thread and build up any type of scams to earn attention. My suggestion to the admins would be limiting the thread bump to at least a jr.member level account ( Thread will move up word in the list only if a jr.member and higher rank comments on it). I think this is the best solution to solve this problem of irritating BOTs. good idea but for example maybe it’s possible to add some allowed date registration range, i. e. allow posting for newbies that are registered no less than week/month ago. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: xZork on October 28, 2018, 05:16:02 PM good idea but for example maybe it’s possible to add some allowed date registration range, i. e. allow posting for newbies that are registered no less than week/month ago. Yes, too have a good point but still it would make the process more complex and also some multi account spams have older accounts which they can use for spamming. So I think just making it unbumpable ( selfmade word :)) for any type of newbie will be the perfect remedie for this.Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: escapefrom3dom on October 29, 2018, 05:02:50 PM good idea but for example maybe it’s possible to add some allowed date registration range, i. e. allow posting for newbies that are registered no less than week/month ago. Yes, too have a good point but still it would make the process more complex and also some multi account spams have older accounts which they can use for spamming. So I think just making it unbumpable ( selfmade word :)) for any type of newbie will be the perfect remedie for this. well, some light was shed on the problem. but i can't get just one thing – why local ru mods didn't ban this very active flooder (i. e. all his accounts)? there is plenty of evidence but a complete lack of action. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: PetyaPetushok on October 29, 2018, 05:44:45 PM good idea but for example maybe it’s possible to add some allowed date registration range, i. e. allow posting for newbies that are registered no less than week/month ago. Yes, too have a good point but still it would make the process more complex and also some multi account spams have older accounts which they can use for spamming. So I think just making it unbumpable ( selfmade word :)) for any type of newbie will be the perfect remedie for this. well, some light was shed on the problem. but i can't get just one thing – why local ru mods didn't ban this very active flooder (i. e. all his accounts)? there is plenty of evidence but a complete lack of action. because he doesn't break any rules ;D Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: jackg on October 29, 2018, 07:04:56 PM I'd say require at least 1 Merit to post in the altcoin section. Paid bumping services have evolved after recent changes to deal with them. They went from 35 accounts per thread to about 500. It has completely broken the altcoin board. Spammers create thousands of accounts at a time now. That'll make for spam on the bitcoin section. If a user makes 200 alts and has 200 airdropped smerit then they could have 200 bots ready to go and then the bot spamming business becomes qujite a prevmium one with high prices for bot spamming... Can we not just get managers to click "additional options" >"self-moderated topic"? Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: escapefrom3dom on October 29, 2018, 08:43:28 PM good idea but for example maybe it’s possible to add some allowed date registration range, i. e. allow posting for newbies that are registered no less than week/month ago. Yes, too have a good point but still it would make the process more complex and also some multi account spams have older accounts which they can use for spamming. So I think just making it unbumpable ( selfmade word :)) for any type of newbie will be the perfect remedie for this. well, some light was shed on the problem. but i can't get just one thing – why local ru mods didn't ban this very active flooder (i. e. all his accounts)? there is plenty of evidence but a complete lack of action. because he doesn't break any rules ;D here is the flooder himself. I'd say require at least 1 Merit to post in the altcoin section. Paid bumping services have evolved after recent changes to deal with them. They went from 35 accounts per thread to about 500. It has completely broken the altcoin board. Spammers create thousands of accounts at a time now. That'll make for spam on the bitcoin section. If a user makes 200 alts and has 200 airdropped smerit then they could have 200 bots ready to go and then the bot spamming business becomes qujite a prevmium one with high prices for bot spamming... Can we not just get managers to click "additional options" >"self-moderated topic"? no, for example the described attacker (due to his mental peculiarities) can (and he does it hard and regularly, simultaneously laughing at us as it given above) continuously make posts in threads, so the solution must be more than just enabling moderated option. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: LoyceV on October 29, 2018, 08:53:04 PM Can we not just get managers to click "additional options" >"self-moderated topic"? That doesn't help against bump bots. Typically, a bump bot bumps a thread at least every few minutes, and it can be much faster. Even a very active moderator can't delete everything fast enough, and if it's not deleted within a few minutes, the bump spam has already served it's purpose.Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: Jonh_Sneg on October 30, 2018, 08:42:31 AM no, for example the described attacker (due to his mental peculiarities) can (and he does it hard and regularly, simultaneously laughing at us as it given above) continuously make posts in threads, so the solution must be more than just enabling moderated option. hey guys i am that bad flood attacker yes yes do not be surprised ;D so i have a words to talkescapefrom3dom you're a liar or don't understand what a flood is why am i flood you closed old thread [ANN] DeepOnion ONION🌍Private цифpoвaя вaлютa🌍 Peлиз DeepVault✅ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.14940) because i did flood as u think but why mod didnt delete my flood? because that was not flood in new self-moderated topic you just keep deleting uncomfortable questions about your scam project which you supervise Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: escapefrom3dom on October 30, 2018, 09:52:11 AM no, for example the described attacker (due to his mental peculiarities) can (and he does it hard and regularly, simultaneously laughing at us as it given above) continuously make posts in threads, so the solution must be more than just enabling moderated option. because that was not flood idk what's going on with the ru mods, but 7 consecutive posts (as it's shown in the OP) with baseless insults and threats are definitely a flood. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: Findingnemo on October 30, 2018, 10:17:22 AM no, for example the described attacker (due to his mental peculiarities) can (and he does it hard and regularly, simultaneously laughing at us as it given above) continuously make posts in threads, so the solution must be more than just enabling moderated option. because that was not flood idk what's going on with the ru mods, but 7 consecutive posts (as it's shown in the OP) with baseless insults and threats are definitely a flood. As Loycev said having merit requirements to post in ANN section will reduce huge spam here. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: olgaiva on October 30, 2018, 01:15:38 PM no, for example the described attacker (due to his mental peculiarities) can (and he does it hard and regularly, simultaneously laughing at us as it given above) continuously make posts in threads, so the solution must be more than just enabling moderated option. hey guys i am that bad flood attacker yes yes do not be surprised ;D so i have a words to talkescapefrom3dom you're a liar or don't understand what a flood is why am i flood you closed old thread [ANN] DeepOnion ONION🌍Private цифpoвaя вaлютa🌍 Peлиз DeepVault✅ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.14940) because i did flood as u think but why mod didnt delete my flood? because that was not flood in new self-moderated topic you just keep deleting uncomfortable questions about your scam project which you supervise yes, he is liar and merits abuser. why mod didnt delete his accounts. escapefrom3dom accounts and merits between them extremegym - as web address of escapefrom3dom site https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1087634 arthur-gym - his twink, proof https://deeponion.org/community/threads/hiring-forum-moderators.3731/page-3#post-55518 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1533381 getup - as his skype nickname https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1087640 crashbit - his twink https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1144137 https://image.ibb.co/i1Uza8/2acc1.jpg https://image.ibb.co/kaXVho/escapeonion.jpg https://image.ibb.co/eaC7TT/arthur_gym_merits.jpg https://image.ibb.co/hmZbNo/extremegymmerits.jpg ( extremegym.org site of escapefrom3dom) https://image.ibb.co/i7t32o/getup_merit.jpg (escapefrom3dom skype nickname) https://image.ibb.co/n7mZ8T/Crashbitmerits.jpg Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: escapefrom3dom on October 30, 2018, 02:23:08 PM no, for example the described attacker (due to his mental peculiarities) can (and he does it hard and regularly, simultaneously laughing at us as it given above) continuously make posts in threads, so the solution must be more than just enabling moderated option. hey guys i am that bad flood attacker yes yes do not be surprised ;D so i have a words to talkescapefrom3dom you're a liar or don't understand what a flood is why am i flood you closed old thread [ANN] DeepOnion ONION🌍Private цифpoвaя вaлютa🌍 Peлиз DeepVault✅ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.14940) because i did flood as u think but why mod didnt delete my flood? because that was not flood in new self-moderated topic you just keep deleting uncomfortable questions about your scam project which you supervise yes, he is liar and merits abuser. thanks for the reminder to add another flooder's instance to the list. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5058568.msg47340453#msg47340453) Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: jackg on October 30, 2018, 02:55:26 PM no, for example the described attacker (due to his mental peculiarities) can (and he does it hard and regularly, simultaneously laughing at us as it given above) continuously make posts in threads, so the solution must be more than just enabling moderated option. hey guys i am that bad flood attacker yes yes do not be surprised ;D so i have a words to talkescapefrom3dom you're a liar or don't understand what a flood is why am i flood you closed old thread [ANN] DeepOnion ONION🌍Private цифpoвaя вaлютa🌍 Peлиз DeepVault✅ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038608.14940) because i did flood as u think but why mod didnt delete my flood? because that was not flood in new self-moderated topic you just keep deleting uncomfortable questions about your scam project which you supervise Mods don’t delete stuff from locked topics afaik. That’d be useless and time wasting to say the least. Unless it’s a scam link or something it’ll go unaltered once the thread is locked. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: manfredmann on October 30, 2018, 03:35:52 PM Well I hope report button will work automatically like ban temp ban to a user when a certain amount of a report from the coming from the users that are handled and good. Like for example a post reaches to this following report
1-10 - reports from users will get 1 day tempm ban 11-20-reports from users in the forum 2 days temp. ban 21-30 - reports from users will get 3 days ban and ......so on and so forth.. This will minimize this bumping attact on thread and it is good also if temp ban will be automated according to the number od report for that post. Title: Re: The new type of flood attack for non-moderated and moderated threads Post by: escapefrom3dom on October 30, 2018, 04:47:14 PM Well I hope report button will work automatically like ban temp ban to a user when a certain amount of a report from the coming from the users that are handled and good. Like for example a post reaches to this following report 1-10 - reports from users will get 1 day tempm ban 11-20-reports from users in the forum 2 days temp. ban 21-30 - reports from users will get 3 days ban and ......so on and so forth.. This will minimize this bumping attact on thread and it is good also if temp ban will be automated according to the number od report for that post. this kind of solution has some flaws that can't be neglected. so, the bottom line may be as follows: - no solution for non-moderated threads atm - the problem can be solved for moderated threads but only with involving additional (external aside bct functionality) automation tools thread locked until new updates. thanks for the attention. |
