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Right, so going to ask a few questions with those who think that they have knowledge go ahead and put answers down.


I have bet with a certain website for over 2 years now, they do not accept UK residents and I have bet there. They accepted my UK IP to accept bets over £500,000 via btc.

They have not once ask me for verification because I am in so much loss to them.

Should this be taken to court and my money be given back since KYC regulations say you need to be ID verified once you hit around 1300 in euros...

Much more to come on this. Let the answers begin

Would you say the same if you had won?

Long story short: No, it's your own responsibility.

Yes because I have won there too they paid me etc. But they have crossed the line and did not do any regulations so I will take them to court, you are just trying to get your post count up

I'm confused. You have lost £500k to this online bookmaker?
If yes and you are not trolling, over what period of time?

And why would I do that?


Anyway, why don't you give more information? Like the website's name, their policiy and all that?


For now it just sounds like some butt hurt player who complains after losing..

No, you lost your money, thats gambling
You can take them to court sure, but you will lose more money in the process of paying for the court because you will be the one who will lose it lmao

Regulations state verification needed for ALL laws need to be done, you are all idiots trying to get post count up.

Not even sure why I posted here haha

I asked a genuine question that you have chosen to ignore - I have no interest in inflating my post count.

Anyway, good luck in taking legal action against a bookmaker over losses and KYC rules. You'll need it.

Don't post if you can't handle criticism.

Over the space of 2 years

This exactly, the casino's registered location is going to play a huge part in terms of whether or not you are going to be actually able to receive a settlement from the casino. You should give more information such as the website name, location, etc.

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral. If you play at a casino (in the right frame of mind) and lose, don't expect loss back because of a legal framework that you might've known about ahead of time.

Website sportsbet.io They do not own a licence and they illegally accepted my bets via UK IP's also KYC regulations, I was never asked for this because I lost so much to do they tried keeping me happy, I know I can get my money back, just in search of the right hands legally then I will be fine

Seems kind of retarded to me. You want your money back because ... you broke their ToS? (which explicitly state you shouldn't play if you're a resident of the UK).

If they tried to seize your winnings just because you were in a not-allowed jurisdiction, I'd consider that extremely scammy. So I'm not one for double-standards =)

But fortunately for you, the law isn't always just. So if you do want to pursue a case, you'll need to find an actual lawyer in curaçao (where they are registered, and have a gaming license). Also you really need an actual lawyer. Anything you find on these forums has a 50% chance of being wrong and a 50% chance of being a scam...

From their TOS:


You registered without fully reading their TOS. I can't speak on the law portion of this, but I can honestly tell you it will be an uphill battle attempting to get loss-back when you accepted their TOS upon registration. Don't attempt to use any of the services skillfully provided here on BitcoinTalk; if you are serious about this, seek the advice of a lawyer.

When you break a ToS you cant pretend money back

The only case of money back is when the company break some rules, like security or privacy or other

When you do signup, you read contract?

Am I missing something here? Why in the world would you slap "Scam Website" on a legit casino / sportsbook operation that, in my experience, is doing honest business. I personally have had an account and been a happy client for years. That 500 you lost is probably paying for the deep roster of lawyers on their bench that would squash a moron like you

Because there has been a sudden rush of users who heard the word "lossback" and suddenly think they have an avenue to receive all of their funds back (whether it be financially motivated, legally motivated, whatever).

It's unfortunate, because it's more or less just dishonesty. You play at a casino knowing the risks. You can't complain afterwards. If there's dishonesty on the part of the casino (not enforcing a ban for example), then that's a different story. But for this case, it's clearly all written out in the TOS.

people do signup without reading the ToS
When i do a signup and put in my money, i READ ALWAYS the ToS because a single clause can fu*k my money

I don't know if you would actually have a case against them. You've basically just broken their own TOS.
Which laws have they broken exactly? I'm a little bit confused about that part.

Anyway, I don't think anyone in this forum knows enough about this particular legal subject to be of help to you.
You should talk to a lawyer and get their opinion, though I don't think you even have a case here.

I dont really know on what to say because where on the world would you get that logic which you have agreed on their TOS when using up their site and now

you lost up big money and wants to make your loss back? This is gambling and its clearly stated that once you agreed theres no reason for you to complain after using their service.

For sure you wont really make any words or complaints if you do make money or win big time but this is typically a "butt-hurt" gambler reasons.

scam ! :D

from a common sense standpoint and logics- no
you might find a shrewd paralegal to screw you out of even more money promising to win the case
but trust me the chances of it are close to zero
you broke their TOS and want your money back ,sound like a legit reason .... NOT
I understand you are upset and 500.000 pounds is not some small change, but realistically, there is no way in hell you will get your money back

@OP, probably just a good idea to lock this thread & seek legal advice if you believe you have a case. Bottom left corner.

This thread is just going to keep having responses of people saying the same thing.

Seeking out local legal service would be a good option but since he do talk that hes broke he might not able to do it as well and i doubt that lawyers advice would just be still similar on what most
people do talk on here.

This thread cant be locked since he do still keep insisting that he's on the right path.

This is not how gambling site works, you lose your money and take it to the court and all of these things is your responsibility, besides, you are already knoe the consequences when you played on their restricted area. Sometimes this is their tactics just to bring more players. They ban some countries but yet sometimes we can logged in by using vpn so whenever you win you can't withdraw and when you lose, it will be just stay the same. And if you already make uo your mind having this to court then you shoule not bothering asking this kind of questions again

I say let him try to take it to court and get skinned by the lawyers
he will regret ever thinking about it , could cost him up to half of the money he says he lost
also seeking advice on a forum - this is what you get, take it or leave it
want to get a more qualified answer, pay money
or you can try the legal section , there are a couple of guys promoting their legal services and answering questions in their topics
might be of some help

Hey dude, can you send me a private message? I have some feedback as I experienced something similar.

Obviously an actual legal consult is required on this and also you need the locations not just of yourself but the court you propose to petition with this case.  Then you would need to see if that court has any jurisdiction over the country this company runs its accounts in.

Im no legal eagle but courts wont generally favour those who try to game the system.  Forget the complicated bets, just consider one spin of the roulette wheel for 50k and red or black.  Can we really expect the court to take sides in this bet as a kind of insurance, I wish I could give some case law on this but from my experience the law isnt usually this nice to people.   Even when you in the right for sure its usually a pain to sue.   

“right of admission reserved” and even prohibited means that your country are not allowed to gamble on their site. The site gives you a opportunity to accept the ToS when you signed up for their site, so you cannot say that you missed that.

If this was a Brick n Mortar casino, you would not have been able to gamble with a legal ID in that casino, because they would stop you when you signup for the access card, but online casinos are different. They cannot screen people, so they rely on you to read the ToS and then to abide by their rules.

If you break the rules stipulated in their ToS, then it is on you.  :(

With all due respect, casinos and gambling establishments are not exactly running the purest form of business neither, so I don't think you can call people immoral when it comes to cash.

When it comes to cash - no one can be trusted, that's a fact, drop a $100 note in a public street, someone will take it, period.

We do agree that users are trying to abuse the system and cheat and it's manipulation, but please don't use the word immoral as the entire gambling industry is not exactly moral neither.

Thanks.

Abuse of system, cheating, manipulation = immoral.
I feel like the definition of the word "immoral" goes inline with the 3 mentioned acts.

I'm sure there are plenty of casinos which don't play by the rules.
I'm sure there are plenty of users which don't play by the rules.

Just because 1 group does, doesn't make it right for the other group as well. Both can have bad immoral parties taking advantage of people/companies. It doesn't make it right either way.

I'm going to use the word immoral when I see it. And I'm just simply suggesting the acts of trying to manipulate the casino out of profit is immoral when the OP knew what he/she was doing. I'm not suggesting every casino and/or user is a saint by any means.

you are looking at it from the point of view of morality, it may be immoral but it is also pretty much fruitless to try
he literally has no case here, even if he proves that casino knowingly let him bet despite their TOS KYC rules
and I'm sure there will be something in their TOS to ensure the situations like that are covered from the legal point of view
if it were only moral grounds, I bet this guy would have sued the casino without batting an eyelid

You could also turn the argument on it's head. If he had won a chunk of cash and they came after him stating that he shouldn't be betting being that UK people are not permitted on there and now they expect all of his winnings to be returned. Can you imagine his reaction? (anyone's reaction in fact!). You would tell them to piss off.  :)

No, I completely agree; if the OP decides to pursue legal action it's only going to be a very long uphill battlements. Settlements don't come easy, especially when you violated a TOS.


There's no doubt many casino's would do that. But the difference here is that the user's tend to knowingly violate the TOS, where-as the companies can't always automate procedures to prevent betting if users are circumventing them through things like VPNs, Proxies, etc.

At the end of the day, even though it can be tedious, users should really know to at-least have a basic understanding of the TOS and gambling law for their own country before gambling.

The "advices" given on bitcointalk on how to enforce illegally taken crypto currencies are typically not worth 5 cents! :D


Except Game Protect (https://game-protect.com) :)


Preferably in China.

All we could do here is to wish you good luck, because you will need plenty of it in your pursuit of lost gambles. However, be careful you don't lose more money in your potentially futile quest.

you ask for help and call them idiots

1. it's not when you hit 1300 but when there is a transaction over 1300.
if you're making micro deposits all day, every day then they would not be required to.

2. theres a kyc fee and i'm sure they only do it with cashouts, every casino i have ever used has did it this way.

3. you lost, so be a man and stop trying to scam them. you're on here sounding like a crackhead

4. these suggestion "1-3" are shit, because i don't feel the need to add any effort for something so obvious. ask idiotic questions get idiotic responses.


especially yours, i have seen your post everywhere and, it's very clear you're uneducated.
like a damn spam bot, putting random words together, creating 5shitpost/sec.
but it bothers me, because if you're still posting, you're still able to scam retards who can't look at your trust, and the evidence of the human race devolving is worrisome.

OP lost and is now looking for ways around it all. OP, you're like that guy who goes to a restaurant, tries a meal, eats it all, then tells the staff that it tasted bad and that he wants his money back. You're a coward scammer OP.


And advice given by you is worth more than 5 cents? With the trust that you've gathered nobody is going to take you seriously, at least on this forum.  

Hmm, yet you can spent seem to prove it. It's funny how that works.

You can literally only cite a small handful of users (maybe) who have found your service valuable; and TBH, when you have this much negative trust, who's to say that user isn't biased/affiliated with you in anyway.

You'd catch more flies with honey. Maybe having an intellectual debate instead of calling everyone who doesn't agree with you "mentally ill" would do you more favour with the community.

Actually, I can, when I bring up users who have suggested your service is BS; you dismiss them as disgruntled.

"who's trust is breached!": What do you mean by breached? There are many users who had 100% positive trust before you sent negative trust to them, myself included.

Suggested and not scammed or trust breached?

So you just confirmed that Game Protect did not scam or breach the trust of anyone! :D


You claimed that Game Protect has this much negative trust and I asked the trust of who did I breach?



If criminals can have 100% positive trust on bitcointalk, maybe something is odd with the feedback system? :D

Oh lord, just because I use the word "suggested" instead of the words you specified doesn't mean those claims from those users are suddenly dis-important or untrue.

I'm not sure whether you act more like a lawyer or a crazy-ex girlfriend watching every single word said.

You seem to believe every person who launches a attack on any casinos you're opposed against, why should we believe any differently when the words are targeted against your service.

At risk of completely de-railing this thread with you, I'm going to stop responding to you on this thread; apologies, I just know this will never end otherwise. If you have any further requests of what I mean, feel free to send me a PM.

In the real world there is a huge difference between suggestions, trust breached or scammed! :D

Which claims from which users are suddenly dis-important or untrue?


I already informed you that Game Protect acts based on facts and not based on beliefs like you do! :D


If you are looking for beliefs, I recommend to go to a church!  ;)


As you already know, my thread is here GAME PROTECT - Online Gaming Consumer Protection (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.0)

Lol...Seriously so sorry about your lost all is well....but no need to carry it to court! You have broken rules of operation by hiding your IP address! In fact to begin investigation, your ID will be required and this alone will make you not to have a case! I will suggest you should just move on! And hustle for other opportunities! Thanks

BTC = NO RULES, you may be in UK, but the server and company location decides the law

also thats very unethical of you, wise man accepts there losses, stupid boys cry and try to get there money back.

I played a bot in Primedice on a chance 0.21, my bets stopped, but the balance started jumping, I looked at the casino page and saw that the game is on a chance 49.5.After my appeal to support I was given a link to sick people, and refused to communicate with me ,arguing that they have a reputation, and I lost .

before the game, I changed the old mail to a new one, the support gave me an email service that they consider good, as soon as I lost and tried to enter it it was hacked, no one except Primedice support knew my new mail

Primedice scammers

Please quote the laws of the server and company location where it says BTC = NO RULES?

and what site are we talking about this thread??

Why not ask game-protect guy above about this matter? For sure he would give you lots of stories. hehe

I am sure you will not win!

He asked me but was not willing to forward proof of his losses. This was the first time a victim was not willing to forward proof and I assumed he is a spy from the publicly proven Sportsbet scam (https://game-protect.com/sportsbet-scam/) to find out how the proceeding is doing.

With the info and documents GP has he can clearly enforce his loss. ;)

As everyone can see, it is of course worthless to ask bitcointalk for legal advice about such cases, as only shit and nonsense came out by paid signature spammers! :D

1) Illegal casino operations can not have juridical valid TOS!

2) Applicable civil laws always stand above private TOS! If private TOS are not in accordance with the applicable civil laws = invalid!

Your honestly tell that it will be an uphill battle is nothing but dumb brain wash nonsense shit! ::)

Sportsbet.io took your BTC illegal in breach of applicable KYC and AML laws!

Game Protect cooperates with a lawyer specialized in crypto currency enforcement and we offer to collect your illegally taken BTC on a 50:50 no cure no pay basis.

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if OP see your post, I recommend that he doesn't listen to anything you say, because you will fool OP. I wonder how you are different from a scam site? And stop abusing the trust system, the only thing you'll gain by abusing the trust system is all people look at your like a madman who urgently needs psychological treatment.

Scam sites scam customers and Game Protect enforces claims! ;)