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My review/setup threads were in "Bitcoin Forum > Bitcoin > Mining > Hardware (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=76.0)" for years, as they should have been. They serve as the main threads for a whole host of hardware, as well as preventing raw questions from leaking into Hardware. Additionally, only one needs to be on the first or second page for people to access all of them due to the exhaustive cross-linking.

Then a few months ago they were moved without any discussion to "Bitcoin Forum > Bitcoin > Mining > Mining support". My posts asking about why were deleted.

It would make sense if it was a policy change, but at the same time (and forever since), my threads were simply replaced by other review/setup threads made by other users. Can we either move my threads back or have a uniform moderation policy, please?


Edit: I mean come on, the replacement review threads are literally using my code as a base of theirs. Either all should be moved or none at all: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2390138.0

They were moved because the mining moderators can’t do the job they have been asked to do.

They’re overmoderating the entire section and theymos has too much on his plate to try to resolve it.
I remember your review threads, they were a really helpful resource to anyone who wanted to use them to set up miner hardware. If I remember rightly you did the antminer and a few others....

As per the “new” rules you’re only allowed one thread on one miner in the mining hardware sub board (even though there was no spam the old way, they still changed the rules). The three mods must’ve been getting very bored with not having much to do around the forum...

First off don't think I've had the opportunity to say thanks. I read and reread your S4+ and S5 threads multiple times as that's what I started out with last year. (Fanboying over lol)

I do agree with you that they should all be in the same place. For instance I see that you have an S9 review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1526215.0) that was moved, but the review created by Hagss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2676763) is still in the Hardware section. Not sure if you've tried or felt like using the "report to moderator" button to have other review guides moved to have a uniform policy put in place. The reasoning behind the report could be that your were moved and this would be inline with prior moderation.

If I were to offer an opinion, I feel that all review/guides would all be suited to the mining support board. Mostly because they also serve as a guide for the particular hardware. This also allows for a stream of support Q&A's to post in the thread.


I would disagree about the overmoderating. There has been a change, but the boards are becoming much cleaner and an easier read to real information from what I've seen.

Unless there is something drastically different, why would 1 piece of gear need more than 1 topic in the hardware section. That would be where you would discuss that particular miner.

Now mining support is different. This is where I could see an individual miner having multiple threads based on the different situation, ideas/improvements or general use of the gear. In addition to that you could also have several Review/Guide threads. I say this because it doesn't hurt to have a few people making unique reviews of gear.

I have done so. The reports were ignored, and posts questioning it were deleted almost immediately (this was a while ago).

This was what was done - or tried to be done - in the time before my setup guides. But questions would *always* leak into hardware, if not in their own threads, then in the announcement thread of each product which hardware still has to have. It just became a messy repetitive Q/A in 10-100 page threads without any actual content. Its not ideal to have setup guide/reviews in hardware, but it seems to just be a reality that they're necessary.

The vast majority of product announcement threads (which would be the 1 designated topic) are just "Hey, now selling x miner. Go to y website to buy" and don't provide any content, information or support on how to use the darn things. That leads to the giant unuseable threads I described above.

Trust me, I would reread my own threads to remind myself how to set up on some hardware after it was moved. And sure miners are a bit more UI friendlier than they used to be, but everyone is still slightly different, defaults to different network topology etc.

Kind of surprised that this hasn't received any further attention or any action in defining the moderation of the topics.

For what it's worth I did send a PM to a single moderator regarding this.

I guess it's harder to get answers when you come in like a reasonable adult and dont go full nuclear.

Thanks

I would agree that if this were due to a change in what topics should be where, it makes no sense to leave another user’s similar threads in that section. Perhaps it was an oversight and the remaining threads will be moved now?

It's possible. I'd still advocate that the threads have a place there as they're often the first verification as well as the only content filled threads on a miner (vs the manufacturer's 'come buy my product'), and do head off lots of support threads that then have to be dealt with.

Your contention is that it was moved from Hardware to Mining Support. Can it be that the moderator thought it wise that your materials best suit Mining Support than Hardware and decided to move it there? Mods have a measure of discretion, and it seems that had applied here.

No readable content is lost though so your contributions are still very valid to the forum.

The argument is that why remove only my content when near identical content is left in hardware. It should be none or all else it doesn't make sense.

Well I get deleted and altered in btc hardware also moved.

I would estimate I have had 100 deletions and 200 modifications of my hardware posts.

HagssFinn has also been deleted and or modified many times.


Frodocooper does this to all of us in hardware.

Vosk no longer posts in the section as he was deleted so often he gave up.

Well this is disappointing...

Funnily enough, a topic of mine was just straight up deleted from the same section. Now, I’m no where near as knowledgeable as you or philip, but I really don’t see how my post broke any rules. Here was the body of it:


Besides my butchering of the word industrial, as well as the fact that my question was fairly basic, I don’t see what was so offensive about it to be deleted without notice. I am by no means a regular of this section, but I agree with you that someone is making questionable moderation decisions.

Sounds like a mining topic. Was it on the Hardware board? It should have been moved perhaps but I don't see it as needing to be deleted.

Nope, it was in the Mining parent board. According to #4 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2415854.0), this seemed like the right place.

I'm a newbie to mining, and I had a couple of threads asking for advice deleted, or moved to some general board, I can't remember which.

I now have mining on ignore, and if I have a mining question then I use one of the alternative option.

- Ask the question in a different forum
- Discuss the matter privately
- Post the question in beginners.

Mining is an important element in the crypto world, and we should be able to learn and discuss the various aspects involved here in Bitcoin Talk. It is obvious that this is not possible. Please can we have a review of the structure and moderation of the mining boards.

I don't get why no moderator is replying here with a valid reason. If there is a valid reason why no moderator is locking this thread too? It is now quite a long time this guy is bumping the thread and waiting just to have an answer.

@dogie
Mate, I think you will not mind to delete the previous bump. I mean delete all the previous bump when you are going to bump it again.
1. It's a rule, afaik.
2. It keeps the thread fresh.

Thanks.

It also hides the absurdity of waiting two and a half months for an admin to respond. I was deleting them before, but I can clean it up later.

I stopped posting in the mining section because my posts kept getting deleted.  They were on topic and not spam but for some reason..............

Are you kidding me? An admin came in here to delete 14 of my posts and still didn't reply.

Back on the 5th page being ignored.

Seems like that both "on topic and not spam" you mentioned were not true since you are posting off topic here.

No one knows what happened or OP is being intentionally ignored, lol.

Neither do I :(

Unfortunately that was painfully obvious.

With the previously deleted batches, someone likely just used your thread to boost up their reports. Sure they were against the rules, but it was clear what you were doing and it wasn't harming anyone. That however wouldn't have necessarily attracted anyone who could provide the answer you want.

I still maintain that you've been ignored because you are being reasonable. Unfortunately it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, or the crazy one depending on this place.

I remember theymos weighing in on multiple S9 threads being removed or locked. I think it was when the water block came out. So there is no reason you shouldn't get a simple explanation on what changes in the moderation policy. It's a fairly simple Q & A.

If you want you can start using the @insertusername to notify people if they are using the system piggy created. I'll link the thread later.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5023605.0

Thanks, let's test this.

@gmaxwell @-ck @frodocooper

Nope, either not working or ignored again :(

3-day bump

So once again an admin appeared to delete a post but not reply:

So here's a free bump and a little more info as to why I feel you should at least receive a response. The quoted post below shows that dogie has been a long time active member whose posts are really substantial and useful, so much so that this is used as a reference to one of the unofficial rules of the forum #24.


I'm still flabbergasted that this has taken so long to get a simple response/explanation. Either move the threads back, or move all other review/setup threads to the same location. Maybe there's more to it, if so just drop an explanation.

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While here, if you don't mind me asking why did you stop making review/setups?

Thank ye kindly. I forgot about that.


The market really, really slowed down with the decreased prices, such that the only companies that survived were absolutely huge and had outgrown their need for me. There was no chance of making a living off product guides alone (in fact I'd often lose money on the man hours), and with the consulting revenue from the larger companies gone it didn't make sense to continue. Neither did companies like Spondoolies refusing to pay any of their commissions.

+ I then moved to the US, and visa restrictions make it annoying enough to not want to be a consultant during school.

Well can't blame you for stepping back, I know I wouldn't play around with visa's.

Side note Main point, if I'm not mistaken all of your threads are back in the hardware section. I checked the S9 and a couple of others, I don't know when exactly as I never thought before now to try without there having been a response here.

See you around

Thanks. Some of them aren't.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=352658
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=725760
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=886633
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=879732
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=702653.0