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When Dorian said "BitCom" correcting himself immediately after that, and also he said "communicating with Bitcoins", i can tell he was lying, it was so obvious he was trying to show the world that he has no idea what bitcoin is. The Media might buy his lies, but any introvert with high intelligence knows these tactics of deceit.

He is truly a genius, i expected this from the creator of Bitcoin, he is determined to keep himself anonymous till the last moment, u can tell he is an introvert and has no social skills but he's a genius who knows how to keep himself private. Introverts by nature are also master of deceit. He also is a humble man, obviously is not money hungry and likes to live the simple life, however i'm pretty sure he may have left the private keys for his kids in his will.

the p2p message was no coincidence, it was a moment of "desperation" for Dorian Satoshi who'd go to any lengths to hide himself.

Any lengths to hide himself?  Including using his real name?

in a way, couldn't that be the brilliance of it all ?

Not really, using your real name makes you easier to track down doofus

imagine the creator of bitcoin was screename barack obama, we all speculated who barack obama saying no way he's the POTUS who made bitcoin. (JUST LIKE WE NEVER EXPECTED SATOSHI TO BE NAMED SATOSHI IN REAL LIFE)

One day a journalist tracks down all the info and it leads to barack obama the POTUS, Barack obama is confronted and he's like lmao what is Bitcom , i never communicated with it, WTF i'm the POTUS how i have time to make BitCom.

Then he goes to his oval office, smirks at the window and laughs at us all. Yes it's a brilliant cover and a perfect war game a genius can come up with.

Maybe, at the beginning, He just did not expect it to be so successful and did not pay that attention to this detail,...after all, he was not using he's official name nor the one people used to call him.

I'm not really sure what to think about this all. Even Andreas Antonopoulos is not really sure about it. On his reddit post he said:

The thing that Satoshi did post on P2PF and didn't even take the time to post his PGP or any other proof that it's him talking, makes me think that it was a fast move, because he didn't have time. And time is what Dorian doesn't have right now, because of all the media at his house.

Using his real name is a genius move, a classic double-bluff. Nobody would expect a smart person like Satoshi to make such a mistake.
Thus nobody will think it's him even when he is found.
 ;D ;D ;D

Or someone with limited capacity to type such as Hal Finney

exactly, well said.

I'm leaning towards the media trolling genius mastermind idea too.

i also noticed his non-english responses, wasn't sure why he wasn't speaking english although one of the reporters could've been asking him in a foreign language (russian maybe?) One of them was also talking to him in Japanese.

That's it... I'm super serial...

You just took away my word. I was about to post it along with a poll. Dorian is the one I want as real Nakamoto. A true genius who is down to earth.

Somehow I dont believe the real Satoshi would use a phrase like "clear my name". not even in deception.  That phrase implies that the real Satoshi did something immoral.

If this was the real Satoshi, he would be someone who takes great pride in associating his name with bitcoin.

He would have used a phrase like "clarify things"

Dorian's email and Satoshi's emails are on different levels.
Dorian is not our Satoshi, thank God...

BitCom is an actual Telecommunications company.....

Sorry I don't buy the double bluff idea.  Needlessly risky. 

I also don't buy the "he didn't know it would be that's popular" line.
He was smart enough not to put his real name on the original white paper.

Stop with this nonsense. That message was posted while he was having the interview if I'm correct (If I'm not my bad, I apologize).
Next assumption: He has a backup man who can access his accounts..
Seriously, people, stop.

Lauda, you can't say this any louder than that  ;)

That being said, these people have no idea what kind of trouble they are bringing on Dorian.

Well, the least they could do is donate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505581.0

 

i highly doubt Dorian wants or needs Donations.

LOL
You're reaching buddy.

The whole thing is really weird

- Police confirms he was talking about bitcoin
- First public speak was a "free lunch" ( typical libertarian expression )
- Real satoshi speaks out after so many time
- what OP said

 Then he is on the cover of a magazine, several reporters on his door, and sill don't knoe what bitcoin is??? Unlikely.

also look at his face, he was having lots of fun

He wouldn't be the first one to do something great and then avoid credit; only to secretly want to be "found out" someday.  Think about how people make secret donations to charities and then get outed.  How can anyone truly cut all ties with the possibility of receiving credit for their work?  I think Dorian got spooked when the media point him out as Satoshi because the statement is too definitive; he wants to tied to the project somewhat but wants to remain murky.  Whether Dorian is the creator nor not, I think he realized the possible negativity the fame could bring and therefore denied everything.      Who the creator really is and what he intends to do with the genesis blocks is part of the mystique of bitcoins and therefore I personally do not care to find out the creator anytime soon.

I think he realised that a long long time ago.

I'm trying to use Ockham's razor and don't over thinking. Maybe more will come soon...

i laugh at most people thinking the bitcoin creator is some omnipresent being, all seing all knowing character that knows everything.

the bitcoin creator knows c++ and maths. not maths of the 1960's but modern maths. with his british education it shows that he cant be a 60+yo american. logs show that the bitcoin creator does not know so much about linux. so ill say it now and repeat later. the bitcoin  creator is not some 500+IQ god.

dorian did not mis understand bitcoin as a act of smart planning. he done it coz dorian does not know bitcoins and he thought it was a project he was involved in when working for the government in 2001. he did not realise that its a whole different project from 2008+

your opinion that he done the misunderstandings is based on your personal belief that the bitcoin creator is a god.

its  well known fact that the bitcoin creator was not great at linux programming and other things, this is why other people like gavin andresen and others helped the bitcoin creator to make the protocol, basd on the creators white paper.

no 60+yo guy with bad english would firstly write a white paper, and secondly write it in great quality british wording.

stop thinking the bitcoin creator is a 500 IQ god, as you start to think dorian is a liar because of your self belief that dorian is a genius hiding in a frail old man's body.

white papers are not for old working/retired men. they are for college geeks trying to make a name for themselves.

the white paper, irc chat logs and forum posts have more evidence that satoshi is not any more then 40yo from personality studies. looking at dorians blogs, and other public information the two styles of writings do not match.

again the bitcoin creator and dorian only have two things in common
1. their name
2. the fact that they are not 500+IQ gods.

yes bitcoin creator invented bitcoin. yes dorian programmed a few systems but that does not make them gods, or the same person.

The difference is Obama is no genius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZTbOMzOlpI

Dorian speak english , japanese , russian , deutsche.  He is physicist. He has worked for the CIA. He is good programmer C++ and good knowledge in networking , threading, database. Tor project of course have no secrets for him maybe he had been working on. Because he has worked for CIA , he has created a fake profile for hide the true Satoshi. His outstanding talent for theatre is amazing.


Yes dorian is a genius !   Wait a minute, wait a minute, noooo i found IT'S THE MESSIAH who came down to the earth to save mankind !!

police confirm SHE was talking about bitcoin and confirm he said he is not involved in THAT anymore. poor dorian thinks she was hounding him about a government project he done in 2001

even capitalists, anarcists, priests, judges, police wouldnt turn down a free lunch


the 5 years of other alleged people being satoshi did not involve camera crews and international media. the bitcoin creator does not read the forum drama anymore, he has moved on. and as such does not see the extent of the previous allegations. and definitely does not use it affecting people real lives. but this story has impacted innocent lives. so anyone with morals and views of a happier world would do something as simple as saying that dorian is not them.


the OP is full of crud, and the magazine pictures were used AFTER the interviews. so how can having a picture taken after you have been accused, mean that you knew the topic beforehand

Exactly. Writers would often use their mothers' maiden names as pseudonyms: Satoshi was something like that for Dorian: a name he abandoned in 1973, in 2009 probably nobody but (some) of the closest family knew what that middle initial "S" stands for - or that even there is a middle initial.

Yeah, he is saying "I do not speak English, I do not understand English"

Mostly in Russian, only "no" is in German.

Now I saw better quality video and got it. Earlier, I saw comments that he was speaking Japanese, but his japanese was rather "rusty", lol.

He definitely can communicate in English better than that - he is showing it earlier in this video and in another videos.

No. Not at all.

Satoshi followed OPSEC very strictly, from the very first moment - just a) read the crypto mailing list, b) his posts on this forum and c) the private mails exchanged with him leaked by other devs - there's no chance he would have broken one of the first OPSEC rules: compartimentalization. Never mix your real identity with your anonymous activity.

The "hiding in plain sight" story is simply retarded.

Imagine shit really hist the fan and the gov. wants to go hard against Bitcoin. That was a very real worry for Satoshi, that's why he used Tor and duly ignored ALL questions about his background, interests, location... From the very first minute. Just read his appeal to Wikipedia, etc... He was scared to death of Gov. intervention.

Well, three letter agencies are not journos: there will be no "interview" - there will be harsh interrogation techniques. In an extreme scenario (which you can bet Satoshi did not rule out) all possible targets will just be eliminated. Core devs, Hal, and every Satoshi Nakamoto in the world with a plausible background (computers basically) would be a target on the list.

If you want to be anonymous linking your work to your real name is just so dumb that is beyond discussion - if Gov. comes after your creation you WILL be a target, and therefore using/linking your real name to such a secret project is plain and simply an epic OPSEC failure which would lead to almost assured failure.

And please don't say stupid things like "at the beginning he didn't think Bitcoin would have succeed, it was just an academic exercise, so he used his real name"... That's just a demonstration you didn't think about this for more than 1 minute. Satoshi went to great lengths to be anonymous FROM MINUTE 1, never ever he said ANYTHING that could have been linked to his real identity (not a single hint about his background, interests, location), he ALWAYS used Tor and, furthermore, Bitcoin is a project which is clearly the final realization of YEARS of work.

IMO the most plausible candidate for being Satoshi is Nick Szabo. Their work is too similar and the fact Satoshi never mentioned Nick (because OPSEC) is too telling.

If the whitepaper was written by "satoshi" and not "satoshi nakamoto", maybe this would be a good argument--but narrowing it down to a given name + a surname? That's not much of a pseudonym. It seems more than coincidental that somebody who could possibly fit the profile of satoshi has the same name as his pseudonym, but I think you have to call it serendipity. We'll probably find out one way or another for sure about Dorian though as his life gets ripped apart over the next few weeks/months.

What if he stole the idea from when he was working for the CIA :)

?????????

Wouldn't they had "silenced" him down by now?

Well personally, I think all the evidence points to Batman, but that's just me.

It was Superman. He fits the profile and wears glasses  ;D

I think it's obvious what happened.  When he first posted the original paper, there were lots of small cryptocoin systems out there.  If you read the message board you can see comments from other people working on other systems, but not with a blockchain.

Later on, bitcoin blows up and he decides anonymity would be better, and eventually leaves the project.

His brother said he suffered a stroke, and it may be that he's no longer as smart as he used to be. It's also possible he forgot the passwords to his crypographic keys. That might be one reason why he might not want to come forward - if he'd lost the keys he could be extremely embarrassed.

Baseless speculation. Satoshi tried hard to be anonymous from the very beginning, he never gave any personal info despite people asking from early on and always used anonymizing techniques. Furthermore, thinking that a system like Bitcoin could come out of the blue from someone who never published before any work related to cryptography/electronic cash (and not a single blog post or mailing list mail) is beyond naive.

I wish Satoshi had not used a real name.  This was all avoidable by using something unique, or even common, but not a legal\birth name for anyone.

Right, no personal information - except his actual name.

There are two possibilities here.  Dorian, or he's not.  But if he's not, what's the plausible explanation for how Satoshi ended up using Dorian's birth name as his pseudonym? Just by picking random syllables? Originally, I assumed that's how he got it - but there are only a few Satoshi Nakamoto's in the world, and one of them just happens to be a software developer who used to work on classified projects for the government - it just seems incredibly unlikely.

That Dorian released bitcoin using a slight variation of his own name, not expecting it to become anything major and being taken aback when it did - seems more plausible. There's also the question of whether or not he had a stroke in the intervening years. His brother said he had one - but not when.

If this guy says he is not, as far as I am concerned he is not.

The only Satoshi I'll acknowledge is one who WANTS to be found and proves such with his PGP key or a signed transaction.

Satoshi Nakamoto is not an uncommon japanese name. The only "strong" evidence in Dorian's case is that his real name is in fact "Satoshi Nakamoto", if his real name was another one everybody would be laughing at this story. The second "strong" evidence is that Dorian "tacitdly admitted" his involvement in Bitcoin, which is clearly a bad joke and an offense to everyones intelligence. For Christ sake, Dorian is not even a cryptographer, he is a physicist, his case is just based on very circumstancial evidence and wild speculation - the fact the journalist didn't even make textual analysis based on the emails she exchanged with him is very telling.

You can bet Dorian != Bitcoin's Satoshi Nakamoto.

Because pfff == fun

What's most important to the man at the time Satoshi Nakamoto was revealed to the world??!

"I want my free lunch. I'm gonna go with this guy!"

Such geniusness, to throw everyone off the trail, making them think he just wants free lunch out of this!