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Title: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: genjix on November 02, 2011, 01:02:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp_WMcoQayY
http://libbitcoin.org/Judge_William_Adams_beats_daughter_for_using_the_internet.mp4

2004: Aransas County Court-At-Law Judge William Adams took a belt to his own teenage daughter as punishment for using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time. She has had ataxic cerebral palsy from birth that led her to a passion for technology, which was strictly forbidden by her father's backwards views. The judge's wife was emotionally abused herself and was severely manipulated into assisting the beating and should not be blamed for any content in this video. The judge's wife has since left the marriage due to the abuse, which continues to this day, and has sincerely apologized and repented for her part and for allowing such a thing, long before this video was even revealed to exist. Judge William Adams is not fit to be anywhere near the law system if he can't even exercise fit judgement as a parent himself. Do not allow this man to ever be re-elected again. His "judgement" is a giant farce. Signed, Hillary Adams, his daughter.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: ribuck on November 02, 2011, 01:13:27 PM
Very hard to watch (I only made it half way through). The initiation of violence is never right. It's particularly bad against a child.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: genjix on November 02, 2011, 02:18:07 PM
Youtube is taking the videos down:
http://libbitcoin.org/Judge_William_Adams_beats_daughter_for_using_the_internet.mp4


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: speeder on November 02, 2011, 02:21:28 PM
The video was removed, but reading the description made it look VERY biased against the guy.

Also, he beat his daughter for doing illegal stuff. I think he is in his right as parent to do so. (I am not saying that I would do the same in this case... but I would not bash him either).


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: payb.tc on November 02, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
it's still available at http://judgewilliamadams.com

i don't think parents have the right to beat their kids, no matter how illegal the kids' actions.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: Rassah on November 02, 2011, 03:28:43 PM
Hooray internet for giving kids more rights, or at least more chance at defending themselves!


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: repentance on November 02, 2011, 07:07:45 PM
The video was removed, but reading the description made it look VERY biased against the guy.

Also, he beat his daughter for doing illegal stuff. I think he is in his right as parent to do so. (I am not saying that I would do the same in this case... but I would not bash him either).

There's seriously no way to describe it other than as a seven minute assault for which he would have gone to jail had he done it to an adult.  The description is actually pretty benign compared to the video itself.  It's been mirrored all over the place - I can hunt up a link to one of the mirrors if you like.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: kiyote on November 02, 2011, 07:43:02 PM
I'm not usually one to question parents' discipline, but this is abuse, plain and simple.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: genjix on November 02, 2011, 07:49:36 PM
Here's a mirror: http://libbitcoin.org/Judge_William_Adams_beats_daughter_for_using_the_internet.mp4


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: BadBear on November 03, 2011, 12:00:55 PM
The video was removed, but reading the description made it look VERY biased against the guy.

Also, he beat his daughter for doing illegal stuff. I think he is in his right as parent to do so. (I am not saying that I would do the same in this case... but I would not bash him either).

You should watch it before passing judgement and backing him up. 


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: SomeoneWeird on November 03, 2011, 12:09:58 PM
Thats fucking disgusting.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: paraipan on November 03, 2011, 12:46:46 PM
MTF, with judges like him we will not see human evolution happen this century either...


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: payb.tc on November 03, 2011, 12:50:44 PM
If it was against the law to beat the shit out of your kids with a belt, EVERYONE in the bible belt would be in jail.

totally illegal in australia... basically anything other than a light smack with *hand only* (absolutely no weapon of any kind like a belt) would definitely get you charged with assault, no matter the kid's age.

...so i'm surprised to find this is 'legal' somewhere like the u.s.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: speeder on November 03, 2011, 03:31:55 PM
Ok, I saw the video now.

Yeah, the guy sounds quite... dumb. Wacking someone like that would not do the desired effect.


But I still think that measured violence is a good tool to have around (to be used SPARINGLY it is NOT ok to break your kid teeth with a kick...)


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: RodeoX on November 03, 2011, 03:34:52 PM
If beating children worked, I'd beat them all the time. But all it does is hurt them and diminish their lives.  :-\


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: ribuck on November 03, 2011, 03:47:07 PM
measured violence is a good tool to have around
So when the father is old and frail, do you think it will be OK for the daughter to use the same violence against him if he loses his false teeth or is incontinent on the carpet?


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 03, 2011, 04:03:41 PM
Also, he beat his daughter for doing illegal stuff. I think he is in his right as parent to do so. (I am not saying that I would do the same in this case... but I would not bash him either).

Please watch the video from the alternate link and tell me you still support that as "his right as a parent".

7 minute phyiscal assault on a child =/= parent's "right".

What about a person (any person including a child) to not be physically assaulted?


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: ribuck on November 03, 2011, 04:58:17 PM
The elderly ... already know what's right and wrong
There's no evidence that violence towards children teaches them right and wrong. It does teach them to avoid the behavior that triggers the violence, but that's not the same thing.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: speeder on November 03, 2011, 06:37:24 PM
The elderly ... already know what's right and wrong
There's no evidence that violence towards children teaches them right and wrong. It does teach them to avoid the behavior that triggers the violence, but that's not the same thing.

Sometimes that is just what is needed.

For example, my cousin kept throwing stones at a neighbor window... We tried to explain the brat why it was bad idea, but it do not worked at all...

So his dad hit him a bit in the butt, and told him that if he throw another stone on the neighbor window, he will get hit again.

Yay, no more stones on the neighbor window!



Years later, he got old and smart enough to understand why throwing shit at someone else house is bad idea. But the neighbor guy will not withstand years of stones thrown at him, do not you think?


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 03, 2011, 06:38:40 PM
The elderly ... already know what's right and wrong
There's no evidence that violence towards children teaches them right and wrong. It does teach them to avoid the behavior that triggers the violence, but that's not the same thing.

Sometimes that is just what is needed.

For example, my cousin kept throwing stones at a neighbor window... We tried to explain the brat why it was bad idea, but it do not worked at all...

So his dad hit him a bit in the butt, and told him that if he throw another stone on the neighbor window, he will get hit again.

Yay, no more stones on the neighbor window!



Years later, he got old and smart enough to understand why throwing shit at someone else house is bad idea. But the neighbor guy will not withstand years of stones thrown at him, do not you think?

He also learned that if you want to get your way use physical violence.  Also a pop on the butt is hardly comparable to the 7 minute physical assault in the video.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: evolve on November 03, 2011, 06:40:17 PM
...Judge William Adams took a belt to his own teenage daughter as punishment...

there was a thread earlier about this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50652.0


a pop on the butt is hardly comparable to the 7 minute physical assault in the video.

this.




Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: repentance on November 03, 2011, 07:45:08 PM
If it was against the law to beat the shit out of your kids with a belt, EVERYONE in the bible belt would be in jail.

totally illegal in australia... basically anything other than a light smack with *hand only* (absolutely no weapon of any kind like a belt) would definitely get you charged with assault, no matter the kid's age.

...so i'm surprised to find this is 'legal' somewhere like the u.s.


In Australia she could have gone to a youth refuge or women's refuge and there's nothing her parents could have done to make her return home.  In my state, she could have chosen to leave home as early as fourteen.

I think one reason why there might be more of an attitude in the US that children are the property of their parents to do with as they wish is because it seems like young people in the US acquire independent legal rights pretty much all at once at age 18, whereas here it's something which happens progressively over a period of years.

Our legal culture is very much based around protecting the vulnerable irrespective of their age.  That beating a child with a belt is accepted and legal elsewhere is shocking to us - we can no more comprehend it than Americans can comprehend Sharia law.

Even just seeing so many people refer to getting "beatings" as children is chilling.  It doesn't seem to be a matter of semantics either - nothing's given me the impression that people who are saying they got beatings as children mean that they got a slap on the bum with an open hand occasionally.  And the stories about people getting beatings from their grandparents are doubly chilling - even if you believe that parents should be able to physically discipline their child within limits, why the hell would you extend that right to others.

For those not following the SA thread on this, Hillary posted a couple of days ago that her father has had addiction issues in the past, so it's likely that a shitload of his cases are now going to be reviewed.



Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: genjix on November 03, 2011, 08:07:21 PM
My dad is from fucking Iran and this shit would never fly there! Blaa blaa culture is no excuse. You would get the crap beaten out of you by the police for pulling this over there.

And this is a country with the most fucked up authorities and laws which makes peoples lives a living hell.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: repentance on November 03, 2011, 08:23:15 PM
My dad is from fucking Iran and this shit would never fly there! Blaa blaa culture is no excuse. You would get the crap beaten out of you by the police for pulling this over there.

And this is a country with the most fucked up authorities and laws which makes peoples lives a living hell.

Culture is relevant in that for as long as the majority of people don't see anything wrong with parents being allowed to beat their children, it's unlikely to be made illegal.  Major social change requires a critical mass of people demanding it - I don't think that critical mass yet exists in the US with respect to children's rights.  Somalia will probably end up ratifying the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child before the US does - how fucked up is that?


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: payb.tc on November 04, 2011, 12:03:35 AM
If it was against the law to beat the shit out of your kids with a belt, EVERYONE in the bible belt would be in jail.

totally illegal in australia... basically anything other than a light smack with *hand only* (absolutely no weapon of any kind like a belt) would definitely get you charged with assault, no matter the kid's age.

...so i'm surprised to find this is 'legal' somewhere like the u.s.


In Australia she could have gone to a youth refuge or women's refuge and there's nothing her parents could have done to make her return home.  In my state, she could have chosen to leave home as early as fourteen.

I think one reason why there might be more of an attitude in the US that children are the property of their parents to do with as they wish is because it seems like young people in the US acquire independent legal rights pretty much all at once at age 18, whereas here it's something which happens progressively over a period of years.

Our legal culture is very much based around protecting the vulnerable irrespective of their age.  That beating a child with a belt is accepted and legal elsewhere is shocking to us - we can no more comprehend it than Americans can comprehend Sharia law.

Even just seeing so many people refer to getting "beatings" as children is chilling.  It doesn't seem to be a matter of semantics either - nothing's given me the impression that people who are saying they got beatings as children mean that they got a slap on the bum with an open hand occasionally.  And the stories about people getting beatings from their grandparents are doubly chilling - even if you believe that parents should be able to physically discipline their child within limits, why the hell would you extend that right to others.

For those not following the SA thread on this, Hillary posted a couple of days ago that her father has had addiction issues in the past, so it's likely that a shitload of his cases are now going to be reviewed.



Stop making Australia sound so wonderful. You had me at kangaroos. :D

oh, but going from korean internet speeds to aussie internet makes you feel like you actually boarded a time machine instead of a boeing 767.

makes you want to jump back on a plane to seoul the minute you arrive here. (if you ever make the trip here, seriously consider downloading a few TB first and bring it with you).



Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: genjix on November 05, 2011, 09:55:28 PM
Justice,

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/05/1858223/no-charges-for-child-whipping-judge-caught-on-youtube


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: jwzguy on November 05, 2011, 10:08:19 PM
I couldn't watch more than half. He's clearly getting off on beating her, and it's sickening. Hopefully this will (at the very least) ruin the rest of his worthless life, even if there's no jail time because of it.



Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: Flyers66 on November 19, 2011, 04:11:00 PM
This is so messed up on so many levels.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: RodeoX on November 21, 2011, 06:58:28 PM
Man if I were the judge hearing the case against this judge, I would definitely sentence him to a public flogging.  >:(


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on November 22, 2011, 02:13:54 AM
Man if I were the judge hearing the case against this judge, I would definitely sentence him to a public flogging.  >:(

When I first saw that video, I wanted to badly stick a pineapple up his ass. Now, I want to stick the whole fuckin' pineapple tree up his ass. I can't think of words to describe what he did and how he acted during the beating of his daughter, albeit the crime she committed, she deserved at least 10 years in the state prison--she downloaded songs from Napster.


Title: Re: Judge beats daughter for using the internet
Post by: RodeoX on November 22, 2011, 03:25:52 PM
Man if I were the judge hearing the case against this judge, I would definitely sentence him to a public flogging.  >:(

When I first saw that video, I wanted to badly stick a pineapple up his ass. Now, I want to stick the whole fuckin' pineapple tree up his ass. I can't think of words to describe what he did and how he acted during the beating of his daughter, albeit the crime she committed, she deserved at least 10 years in the state prison--she downloaded songs from Napster.

Is that what she did? How did we get to a point where music is primarily about money, and unauthorized listing is a crime requiring the beating of children? Thanks RIAA!