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Among all the Satoshi Nakamoto's identity theories, this is what i believe the most: https://bitcoinist.com/kaspersky-labs-co-founder-says-bitcoin-created-american-intelligence-agencies/

https://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2016/05/05/im-starting-think-cia-developed-bitcoin-still-love.html

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/15/nsa-helped-invent-bitcoin-founder-worlds-second-largest-cryptocurrency-ethereum-claims-7631719/

That's why countries like Russia and China banned bitcoin, while USA is allowing it to prosper unhindered.

After all, if the gov hated bitcoin so much then it was very easy for them to take it down:
they may just arrest/blackmail the devteam/distributors of Bitcoin,
and/or block the bootstrap node IPs that the BTC wallets require to join the network when they are launched.

It would be that easy

So what, American intelligence agencies created cryptography itself. Does that mean we shouldn’t use it at all? The American war machine created GPS technology. Does that mean I should stop using the maps app on my phone to look up addresses and guide me to them?

Sweetheart, I got some really bad news for you. Military establishments and governments have created most of the really cool useful shit throughout known history. Without the U.S. government there would be no internet for me to tell you this. LOL

@QuestionAuthority You're right about cryptography and other tech stuff being useful for us.

But about Bitcoin, i feel it's something controlled by the gov, in that they they can:

- plug it off whenever they want, for the reasons i outlined at the end of my first post

- control its price via centralized exchanges like Bitstamp, Coinbase, etc. That's one of the things Natalya Kaspersky said

So i don't see BTC as a tool for monetary freedom anymore, as i used to do.
BTC is not value that is fully in our hands like gold/silver are.

It may be fun and useful for speculators and the many crypto-based applications that are coming out, for sure.

But it is not as "rebellious" against the monetary sovereignty as i thought it to be.

You do know that bitcoin is open source, right? Not just the wallet software but also the protocol that controls the network.

It's just another conspiracy theory, nothing else.
There is no proof for it and no real reason why CIA or NSA will do something like this.
Also, are you sure that they will not try to stop bitcoin in the future?
You are just speculate here without any concrete info.

It's probably one of the three FBI, NSA or CIA. Satoshi could also be a random computer programmer or someone who works at a large corporation like Mark Zuckerberg.

Russia hasn't banned Bitcoin, they are sending mixed signals that tend to be negative as of late. As for China, they are also not completely against it and we are also getting mixed signals.

But also there's a simple explanation why certain countries are against Bitcoin - those countries are usually very authoritarian, they like to control everything, they attack the Internet, so it shouldn't be suprising that they aren't fans of Bitcoin. And Western countries tolerate Bitcoin because they actually have laws and principles, although they can easily decide to ban it in the future if there will be need.

Why can there not be an in between, it's not like the US has been entirely supportive and nurturing with bitcoin. Maybe they're just not completely against it (land of the free and all) but not really that for it, because they didn't create it. What motive would they have for creating a currency to challenge the US dollar, the very thing that allows the US to thrive.

I don't think that government supportive bodies would create a network which would go against all governmental regulations. I think whoever created it was tired of seeing how every government can be corrupt.

Anything is possible. After all the identity of the creator is unknown. And it is very possible also that the creator can pull it down one day. Recently, it has happened to PRL (oyster pearl) where the creator had withdrawn most of the coin from the exchanges.
Yes, it looks more like conspiracy theory but it can happen.

Correct.
Being open source lets the project be taken over by another team eventually.
But still, we don't have a solution for the ban on the bootstrap nodes.

Anyway, if the Cashless Society nightmare comes true one day, i certainly would not keep all my savings in crypto, but i would differentiate :
40% crypto, 40% gold & silver , 20% something else ( valuable goods or other things i don't know yet ).

When there is some degree of uncertainty on something, like the future of crypto , i think the best solution is to differentiate.
And precious metals , like it or not, are always one of the most popular options for the "preppers".

I have shared same suspicion in my many reasoning on why the bitcoin is allowed unhindered in the States. Nevertheless, if it's the CIA or the NSA that actually created it as the conspiracy theorem proposed, then they have done another wonderful job to the uplifting  of human lives. Boy!, this means even the task master "the government" love the people. No one can dispute the fact that the USA with the backing of the Jewish remains the greatest nation on earth.

Banning the hard-coded seed nodes can't stop -seednode=<ip> or -connect=<ip> with a friend's IP on the command line

lol. and what ? Should I stop using it now? Americans invented a lot of things, which takes 75% of your entire life.

Theory says Bitcoin is a project of American intelligence agencies, which was designed to provide quick funding for US, British and Canadian intelligence activities in different countries. The technology is 'privatised,' just like the Internet, GPS and TOR. In fact, it is dollar 2.0. Its rate is controlled by the owners of exchanges.

There had been too much speculation about bitcoin's origin but this is the most unlikely I think. It tries to paint Bitcoin in a negative light, but to me fails miserably.

What we actually know, is that US authorities did have an active involvement in advancing cryptography. If you try and connect that with Bitcoin (pretty weak connection if you ask me) then congrats detective. But just because part of an open technology Bitcoin used was supervised by authorities at it early stages doesn't mean much.

Open source means no one can take it over without someone seeing it.

You do know you already live in a cashless society, right?  Diversification is always a good idea.

Preppers are loonatics that watch too many zombie movies. Precious metals would have no value in a society free world. You want to prep? Store antibiotics, bandages and bullets.

Good luck with the whole certainty thing. Nothing is certain or guaranteed in life except death.

I doubt if BTC was made by the CIA but there are some atom of truth that BTC can be a hand work of a professional body like secret service agents. If truly BTC is made by the CIA we should be seeing proofs of that already.

bitcoin was made up as a patchwork quilt of idea's from cypherpunks group. which only one person had the inspiration to stitch together. the names are clearly available of all the parts that built up the quilt and its easy to see that nick szabo wei dai and others were not cia/nsa

when the first release occured the CODE was clear, in the open and had no secrets.
new coders came in and people knew hal finney, gavin, hearne, serius and others were not cia/nsa

however. years later (now) there is VC money puppetmastering devs and the NYA agreement of merchants.. its less clear where the puppet strings actually lead back upto.

as each level up the VC ladder it becomes less and less clear about the motives of those changing bitcoin.

its getting funny that things ar changing now. but all we see is distraction drama of making memes about non-coders of other networks and only look at the history.

seems strange that anytime discussion about current/recent events arise. the usual ploy of distraction finger pointing occur, even to such an extend that some resort to insults if people mention certain current recent events involving the groups that can affect the network. and again the ploy is just trying to distract the conversation to lead it away from the current/recent issues and instead turn it into some social drama or finger pointing away from the issue.
but this has only really started after 2013.. not 2008

There aren't any real evidence that supports that theory... Even if there are why would they do it?

It makes no sense to me that government would want to create alternative currency...

Don't know about you, but I think it's all a global conspiracy theory and bitcoin our weapons in the hands of the army of positive fighters against the corrupt government financial system. Yes, perhaps the US is the main owner of bitcoin, but the blockchain allows you to track this situation in real time. Everything is in our hands.

No one know for sure if bitcoin was made by the CIA or NSA cause there's no proof to back it up and in this community we believe in proof. However, the only we heard and saw about Bitcoin was the white paper, source code and satoshi mail archive right before Bitcoin creation.

Im not buying this conspiracy theory.

If the U.S agencies created it for their global operations to have access to funds,
How exactly would this work if they were undercover in Iraq or Afghanistan for
example? How exactly would bitcoin be used? To me it doesn't make sense.

If it was created by government agencies why are we using it? An open siurce,
unregulated, decentralised global currency giving power to the people.

Bitcoin was not the development of the United States is nothing! Everyone knows that the Creator of bitcoin in the first one person who does not give his identity, which suggests that it is just an individual. Secondly, bitcoin is an Asian technology and the US will catch up with the Japanese on the speed of digital technology development for a long time.

Is this a new conspiracy theory?
What is the benefit of the United States?
Will the United States be able to control it as it spreads?
Or is it a process without goals?

On what basis will they arrest people from many nations that are working on a OpenSource project? The thing is, most developers contribute to the project without being anonymous, but that does not mean that things cannot change. The moment when developers are harassed by governments, then people will start to contribute anonymously and the government will not be able to hunt them down.

Satoshi is a good example of this, because he/she/they are still anonymous.  ;)  You do not need to know who these people are, you only need to know that their code is legit and secure.  ;)

Where did the internet originate from? Wasn't it from U.S military communications? Doesn't matter where bitcoin came from, it is still solid

it will come down to your understanding of how bitcoin works!

in a decentralized peer to peer network you can not control, ban, manipulate, fake,... anything. it is not just about the project being open source (that only covers part of it) but it is about it being peer to peer. like torrents network, Tor network,... you can't ban these things anymore than you can ban bitcoin.

Why do you think bitcoin is the creation of someone who is asian, given that you said yourself no one knows who the creator of bitcoin is? People have tried for years with all sorts of skillsets to identify where Satoshi was from and no one has succeeded. Of course Satoshi itself is Japanese but that does not mean the person behind the name was.

but the Alien Tech theory was more fun, man!

CIA and NSA become richest people on the world when real people who made bitcoin. so, you thing people here same agent and join signature campaigne?. i dont thing so

We don't know and actually we can't know what to believe anymore.. Everyone says different things. Thousands of news around every new day. No one believes in Satoshi Nakamura in these days.. I am not sure that he is real or not. Some people says about the USA some Russia that who found the crypto money. Now CIA and NSA is in the game.. There are really big questions and make me disturb about all cryptocurrency..

we will not be able to know exactly who it was made of, so let's just accept the fact that the creator of bitcoin will always remain anonymous

I think that we will never know who is the true creator of bitcoin. Now we have to use this technology for the benefit of ourselves and other people.

No conspiracy theory or assumption will make me think it was not an individual or Satoshi that created the bitcoin. Ok let us even imagine the America CIA made it, will that be a good reason for China to boycott it and put itself at a bad spot? Let Russia and China not join, we the rest of the world support bitcoin.

This assertion will be hard to believe that CIA created this cryptocurrency that has a lot of government seeking to shut it down or restrict it uses.

I think this is a very fantastic theory that has nothing to do with the history of the creation of Bitcoin. In any case, I’m worried about one important question - if these were all special services, then why create a coin that they can’t practically control?

I do not believe that Bitcoin was created by the special services. I think the emergence of Bitcoin is also potentially dangerous for special services. But the special services can control those who own Bitcoin and are not worried about anonymity.

wow, is that true? i have many question if its true, the main question is, why? why american agency create the Bitcoin and blockchain system. second question is why they introduce name satoshi nakamoto as the creator of bitocin?

Its not a problem if a technology created by Agencies like NSA or CIA, as long as the technology can help our civilization better that should okey, like GPS and Internet was

I dunno what to believe but in my opinion, Satoshi created Bitcoin in the year that people in the whole world are on the financial crisis. He didn't even profit from the start, But now if look at the price of BTC, If Satoshi is in the government then he should instantly come out immediately because he will become an instant celebrity and famous all around the world.

I agree with the fact that the US Government/Army department and overall Intelligence has create some powerful tools that are now helping freedom of speech, such as Tor, and even some privacy based OS like Tails based on Tor. Thanks to these we have people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden leaking disgraceful things that governments do and we can be safe at least on the code side since it's open source.

However you are omitting a small detail with Bitcoin... If the NSA really created it, then it must mean that they have 1 million BTC (since they would be satoshi basically). This is the first ever the creator matters because the creator got a fuckton of the "share" of the open source project.

The good news is Bitcoin is now big enough to deal with it ad it continues being a tool of freedom. The NSA having 1 million coins just means they are big players in the game and have skin on it, but you can't deny that they influence things if they put some agent to act as satoshi and then start moving some coins to brainwash the masses into a fork when they lose control of the way the project is developing (as a theory, see Craig Wright being a NSA agent for instance, even if thus far he is just a conman)

I could not find anything about Russia banning the bitcoin on the internet, Russia has only threatened to do so, in fact, i saw a post here in bitcoin forum  some days ago about merits and the country that has earned more merits is Russia. Check it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3093768. Although  with China’s ICO ban and China’s exchange ban the Chinese got the 4th place in merits soo I disagre, there is no such thing as banning the bitcoin anywhere

Russia has been going back and forth about bitcoin for ages now. They even threatened people involved on bitcoin with jail time:

https://image.ibb.co/ddMLAL/russia-bans.png

I really like this picture. You can see the OTC market growing as the threats of the government happen. It shows they just can't stop it.

We can't really tell if that was made by them because we dont even know how it exist. Yet whom ever made that make a good and a right decision for it helps people gain profits.

A very interesting theory. Alternatively, what if Bitcoin was created by (perhaps rogue) AI and/or quantum computers, with perhaps other unknown influencers, as a first step in taking over the world. Hopefully not, lol, but if you look into some of the AI happenings in recent times, it's pretty creepy, combined with the explosion of a highly erratic and volatile market with mysterious origins, and claims of high price manipulation... it gets you thinking :D

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Bitcoin is not a secret currency it has many features all over the world and there is no need of bitcoin for CIA and NSA but if they want to use bitcoin it is accessible to every one in the world and for me crypto is valuable because we can travel this every where.

I think there is a connection in the creation of Bitcoin by the CIA, the FBI, and also the NSA at this time in my opinion it can happen, because irregularities in the creation of Bitcoin are very interesting to talk about, the whole world believes that who made Bitcoin is Satoshi Nakamoto from Japan, but until now he does not dare to show the public who he really is, so in this case I believe more in the world ruling group that plays behind the scenes in the creation of Bitcoin.

I don't care who created Bitcoin because I can only thank the person for creating Bitcoin and its technology. Even though you assume that an intelligence agency from America that creates bitcoin does not mean we should not use that technology.

That's really ridiculous. it's more like a conspiracy theory.

That's only your theory and oppinion, as I know China ban bitcoin because it's government afraid that their peoole will move their wealth to outside country. there is no relation between CIA or NSA, even why one of them create a currency which be used by criminals in deepweb??.

What would be the point?

If you look at the massive coincidence of hal finney living near a satoshi nakamoto there must be something going on there. This wasn't nsa created, but hal must have had a bigger part than he claimed

I totally agree with you on this, despite the fact that I don't 100% agree with the ops point of bitcoin being created by the US government. It very simple since bitcoin is giving us an edge above what we use to have then I think we should be cool with it. All we want is a working system and bitcoin is giving us that system so if it is developed by the US government or any other individual it all a welcomed development.

I have the same thought, I don't need to hide anything from the government because I'm just a normal citizen who makes money through cryptocurrency and because of bitcoin I'm slowly becoming a financially free. This technology is really amazing, and If the CIA or NSA or whatsoever created this platform, we should all be thankful for everything.

we are still not sure about this one, this is just an speculation and no one really knows. Maybe CIA agents really wants to free themselves from paying huge taxes from the government, or to do something that is not controlled by their government. Let's just live simple in a world of cryptocurrency, and do nothing wrong in this market, and we will be more blessed later on.

How useful would it be to use bitcoin for surveillance or spying? Well I just think this is just a misinformation or misleading thoughts that could have gone wild. If I am the CIA or NSA I would rather choose a different method of looking through other countries movements. Not this because the whole network is very much complicated to trace transactions and the anonymity is part of bitcoin which means we can never really know who really is the person doing the transaction. And granting if it would be so easy to get the information, what will they get out of bitcoin transactions and how will they manage to look at every individuals account? If this is the method then it isn't worth I'd rather use my satellites better than spying over the cryptocurrency market.

to be fair most of the news from Russia has been similar to the news from China. it is always exaggerated in English news media for some reason and the bitcoin news sites always make it even worse by adding fake information to the same news.
most of the times it is some low ranking government official who is expressing their opinion about bitcoin and the news sites report it as an official statement or law!

CIA and NSA are government agencies. Why will they invent a digital cash that will not be controlled by the government?

I have heard too much about Bitcoin's various conspiracy theories. It is time to stop. No matter who the real creators of Bitcoin are, Bitcoin has nothing to do with it. Bitcoin is now marketized, and the price is now More depends on market demand, neither CIA nor NSA is important, it is important that Bitcoin is now independent.

No one has seen the real atoshi Nakamoto until now, which may be a fictional figure in the US intelligence agency!
The actual founder of BTC may be a CIA or NSA person trying to achieve some purpose through cryptocurrency!

Even if it's true so what? I don't feel aggrieved if it’s a fact, we cannot deny that behind the big creation there is a role of government there, whether they are the one who started it or take it over because they have possible access and resources. I don't think this should be a long debate, yet Satoshi himself said that he didn’t want his privacy to be revealed and we shoau (http://rumahmu.com)ld respect it.

Surely it was not Satoshy nakamoto, this is a fictitious name to cover someone or a state that wanted to create the blockchain to move big money to fight the banks! Is part of this financial war  today, planned many years ago.

I don't believe this because if you take your time to study the bitcoin white paper carefully you will understand that bitcoin is never developed as an experimental tool but a full currency that is Design to survive independently of any organization or government.

I think it is not made by any of the CIA or NSA it is designed by a simple person with an idea to facilitate the online business and trade of goods and services across the world with out any third party so CIA and NSA do not need any kind of currency and crypto is using by individuals for trade while if we think that it is using by CIA it will not fact because they can use other fiat money as well and they have some other objectives not to involve in crypto but i know one thing that crypto is the future currency.

I firmly believe that his guy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_Simons - created Bitcoin. He once worked for the NSA.

The US government is constantly struggling against terrorism, why the hell would they try to create a pseudo-anonymous currency that could make life easier for terrorists? that does not make any sense, we have to forget these theories


Russia and China are shady governments that want to have 100% control over their people, so they do not like bitcoin because of the decentralized nature of bitcoin


But they have not done this until nowadays because they do not look bitcoin as a great threat, they know they can by laws favorable to all

Okay once again we are discussing this, satoshi is someone who demands his privacy safe and the right to privacy is guaranteed by legislation, especially US upholds this. As long as Bitcoin remains open-source I still won't be affected by the issue of control and the like because I'm sure the Bitcoin community won't let that happen and if they will close Bitcoin, I think it's a very big step for them to ta (http://hafana.com)ke into account considering the agenda they bring must require Bitcoin to keep running and that closure will destroy the global economy if Bitcoin is big already but the question is "how do they close Bitcoin?"

America is a kind of country that has every way in making everything work for them , and secretly do have in-house to work on every thing and see how it can benefit them and if found not useful that is when they war against it or if not working in there way or how they want it . so they always have special people on every technology to know in and out .

Madness! Dude made bank via the grammatically-incorrect word spaghetti above in satisfying his sig campaign commitment.

If this is true and the government of the States of America is involved in the creation of bitcoins, why do many ICO prohibit their citizens from participating in the sale of tokens, why are regulations from the SEC so much tightened?

I think that the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto will never be revealed, so everyone can think of any story and say that his story is true.
Recently, new interesting stories have appeared:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5084077.0

Its hard to predicting who creating bitcoin because its anonymous. That rumors is just speculation and its not from reputable source. But i think its not matter anymore who creting bitcoin because its already become valueable and shocking the world with the concept

It is amazing how many United States citizens own bitcoin in spite of the many restrictions on its citizens as far as ICO projects are concerned. This is a serious allegations and it needs to be given the necessary considerations that it deserves. There seems to be some valid facts  in the post above.

Yes, I used to think like this. I thought Satoshi Nakamoto is just a code name and it may be CIA or NSA behind it. But I don't think so now, because there is no interest for CIA or NSA created bitcoin.  and they are just intelligence agencies, not good at finance.
And the decentralized mining model of Bitcoin is not suitable for a centralized organization to control it.

maybe because the public is free to think wildly about this. Moreover, there is also no detailed evidence that this is made by one of the major agencies. Then why with this bitcoin price fluctuation, the SEC did not freeze the NSA or CIA because they were masterminds behind this?

If BTC was made by the CIA but there are some atom of truth that BTC can be a hard work of a professional body.

May be you just don't have anything to say again, cause even if it was created by them and they are promoting it for all to use then you are in too what are you trying to say here , as I don't understand if we should stop using btc or you are trying to say the create it and same time using style going against it to do what and the Russia and China you made mentioned of are also looking for way to develop their own coin that can be control by them and only trying to have watch over the coin but have no power over it has been their major problem and government is good for nothing but only want to take control of everything.

Well it could be true..  But you know how secretive the CIA is ;D well there is no fact just speculation that bitcoin was created by CIA or any other organisation they true fact is bitcoin was created by satoshi nakamoto

Whoever created satoshi had a lot of skill in cryptography, i wouldn't be surprised if he or they had links to the nsa. However, the organisation would not have done it, it's bad for business

China has not banned bitcoin I must clear that very wrong impression there are just little ban on ico well bitcoin was not created by any nation or institution

I don't care, the problem here is if it comes to war, then the ones with crypto can be called scammers or whatever will they think of... like jews against adolf.... jews were mostly oppressed because they had a lot of money and hitler needed tha money for war......different times calls for different measures....?

Sales of cryptocurrencies are taxed as capital gains in the US I don't think they are very supportive at all, there have been attempts to ban it as well, many would like to see bitcoin die

What do Jews and Adolf Hitler have to do with the current situation with cryptocurrencies in the market? This is a very strange comparison considering that bitcoin is aimed at making people more free than they are now, and Hitler was a tyrant and oppressor.

I think if Bitcoin is made by the CIA, then it is clear that Bitcoin is intelligence that is created for the interests of America and its allies, but I don't care about that, because Bitcoin has been valued like gold today, so people want to get it.

Is that true? I don't think bitcoin was made by CIA or NSA. If this information true we don't really matter for that bitcoin was made by CIA and NSA

There is no question that Satoshi Nakamoto was a Japanese mathematician. If this was his real name or not, this has to be discussed. Bitcoin has two principal characteristics that make it like gold:
1. There will be 21 000 000 Bitcoins in this world
2. With time, the difficulty to obtain the Bitcoins goes up.

These two characteristics of Bitcoin makes its price to become bigger with time.  These two characteristics of the Bitcoin could have been invented ony by a Mathematician. The second characteristic of the bitcoin (with time the difficulty of obtaining the bitcoin goes up, that is increases) is only present in the Japanese culture, with time the taks become demanding and ambitious.

I also think that the opening thread here and the given "links" is just another conspiracy theory. There is no evidence for any of these theories.
Whether the BTC will be a underground coin or a high-quality investment, the future will show.

One should wait and see the cryptocurrency as highly speculative and volatile.

I don't think we need another conspiracy theory about BTC, especially, in this troubled time.