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I decided that I would look for some members with 0 merits, and see if I can find a post that deserved merit to get them started. I've managed to find 2 so far, but I thought it might be interesting to new members if I explained why many didn't receive any awards.

The first thing I did was to choose a thread that looked as if if it might be interesting. Then I scanned through for members who hadn't received any merit. If the post contained misinformation, or looked as it it had been made without the poster understanding the topic, then I skipped it. Of course I skipped any misuse of quoting or formatting as well. If the post appeared to have been made with some thought, then I looked at the members post history. If it was mainly one liners, then I backed out, and I also looked for bad quoting habits. If I saw two or three reasonable posts, then I checked for plagiarism, and skipped out if it was detected. If the post passed all these test, then I awarded one or two merits.

Don't forget that this is a personal opinion, and other merit awarders may not have the same ideas as I have. I didn't check dates or boards either, so some awards may have been for old posts on less merited boards.

Am sure they would be elated when they log back in, as your merit took most of them up to Jr member rank and a couple have been inactive for weeks (probably have up)

Every member has his own unique way of awarding merits and I don't think there is a right or wrong way to do it.

Just to note, did you detect any pliagarism?
And were they reported for the mods to take appropriate actions?

I found three that were suspicious, but I didn't spend time doing a full check.

I found a lot of posters who consistently made single line posts, or consistently made two line posts, and I thought they might be bots, so I skipped those as well.

I put two members on ignore for creating quote pyramids.

I'm also getting suspicious of some of the member name patterns, and I wonder if they are part of alt farming. This is more obvious when they all have the same number of posts. I may have to start comparing join dates.

ps. I had a quick look at your post history, and I gave you a couple of merits as well. :)

This is quite encouraging OP. It's a good guide on helping me and many other new members here improve on the quality of our posts. Even though it's your personal opinion, am pretty sure most other merit givers share with you at least a couple of points from which they base to give out merits.
Step by step, am starting to learn more from the community and also guide those I can. cheers.

While this idea may appear strict to some,i think it sure doesn't make sure merits aren't given to shitposting plagiarist,and in the end such merits gets wasted/burnt when eventually they are caught for their offense..

I actually admire the strict measures you've taken to sort out the weeds from the crops,and merit only those who have the system at heart and are willing to learn and rank up the right way...

And going by the way you're writing users we can at least be 75% sure as regards their post history that they wouldn't become bounty campaigns spambies when they get to Jr member rank and above

Quote from: Jet Cash on November 11, 2018, 06:53:43 PM

Good job bro, I'm also trying to figure out what I can do, hoping to get something from you soon :D

Quote from: Jet Cash on November 11, 2018, 06:53:43 PM

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The process you’ve described, with some variances, is similar to mine, and I figure many other responsible merit senders on the board. This requires some time to perform, more than would be desirable, since the KYM (Know Your Merited) takes some time to perform.

From a merit Sender’s point of view, meriting a person who has not being merited before is rewarding, but also requires in my case more checks than meriting a person with a merit track, specially if the merited person has been merited by reputable forum members previously. In those cases, although some historical post checking may still be needed, I kind of trust to a certain degree their judgment, and may end up skipping a step or so in the KYM process.

What @Jet Cash points out as his procedure is important for people to understand, as most responsible merit awarders will endeavour a similar process.

Quote from: LeeLoo1899 on November 12, 2018, 06:30:06 AM

Good job bro, I'm also trying to figure out what I can do, hoping to get something from you soon :D

You just misused the quoting format bro
Hint: Don't quote the whole paragraph or paragraphs that OP has put out. In this case according to what you had to say, Just a reply is enough without having to quote all the points he has give out at once.
Incase you need to repond to a certain point, just quote the point you feel like responding to.
This makes the thread tidy and easy to follow without having to scroll along way through just to see replies.
Cheers

This is going to take you some precious time Jet cash, I once had similar meriting criteria, after i merited a bounty spammer few months back.

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on October 16, 2018, 11:53:17 AM

This is my worst ever merited user. Thought he will change his/her way after getting merited but instead he/she continued in the old ways. After this experience before I merit any user, I must do a thorough background check to prevent this mistake from happening twice.

but later stopped after I notice some very useful replies weren't receiving merits from me just because their post history doesn't meet my merit criteria. And also it was consuming my time. Seems you have the time so keep it up although I plead on the ones with reasonable and useful replies they should be considered even though their history doesn't meet your meriting criteria. When those ones receive merit they will want to earn more and improve on their writing skills, in return adding value to forum.

Well that is good thing of having a good merit source that will always look on users that are still newbie until now and still clinging on this forum. It would be hard for a newbie to make some adjustments due to the technicalities on this forum and the features of cryptocurrency that adds up the things they need to learn. It will make even harder for them when they can't rank up even up to jr. member for it just need 1 merit and they can't even earn it. So, giving them merit will continue their endeavors to learn more in the forum and it will even become a motivation to make quality post in this forum. This is what I feel when I receive merits but somehow I still need to learn more.

Good luck on looking for newbie users to merit/s. It is not your responsibility but OP has some kind consideration for this and I never saw also other merit source doing this. Or maybe they were also doing it but not as diligence as OP.

I feel for you really,if only the forum had less of plagiarists,copy/pasters and spammers then you really wouldn't have to go through all this to simply drop a merit on their profiles..

But since the reverse is the case,then I guess it's highly called for, and considering the the fact that they'll carry the merits forever,it wouldn't really go down well on your reputation to have your merit stuck with them(plagiarists)

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on November 12, 2018, 09:28:42 AM

From a merit Sender’s point of view, meriting a person who has not being merited before is rewarding, but also requires in my case more checks than meriting a person with a merit track, specially if the merited person has been merited by reputable forum members previously. In those cases, although some historical post checking may still be needed, I kind of trust to a certain degree their judgment, and may end up skipping a step or so in the KYM process.

I consider rewarding a user, who has never received a merit before, as a very responsible decision. In existing conditions and with the currently approved rules, 1 Merit opens up great opportunities that can be used "for evil" (spam and shitposting for the bounty awards). That is why it`s necessary to think carefully before taking responsibility for the fact that it was you who gave the newbie a “ticket to life”. If you cannot explain and argue your decision for one reason or another, or if you doubt the expediency of awarding such a user with merit, it`s better to abstain. Otherwise, such a newbie may not contribute to the forum, but on the contrary, break the rules and write poor-quality posts for bounty campaigns.

To my surprise you're the first humble person I have come across. Because mostly people here are very rude. Just wanted to say that it's such an amazing thing what you're doing because this legit gives courage to post good because the same happened with me. I use to post one line reply but then I posted once and some kind hearted awarded me with the merit and I started posting. I try my best and still trying.

Quote from: Jet Cash on November 11, 2018, 06:53:43 PM

Nice move..

The issue if meriting a newbie or somone who has aready be merited, to me bores down on some level of deep knowledge of a subject matter and in this case showing maturity. This brings in place the grammatical expression within the crypto community , level of experience, genuity as well as authenticity of knowledge displayed on the part of the person to be merited.

Quote from: inday14344 on November 13, 2018, 05:30:13 AM

actualy i start this job to have an experience and knowledge about this site. ;D and i realize that the more you post the more merit you have.

This is not a job mate..
This is a forum,and the dictionary meaning of a forum is a place for discussions...
Thus this is a community were we interact and share knowledge about cryptocurrency...

Merit isn't given based on your number of posts,some users have over 1000 activities but 0 merits,merits are given for valuable and quality contributions on the forum..
A bit of humor could also fetch you one or two..

It's simply about being consistent in engaging in quality discussions,and you must earn one,sooner or later

Quote from: Jet Cash on November 11, 2018, 08:00:55 PM

I found three that were suspicious, but I didn't spend time doing a full check.
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I'm a newbie on the forum, many people are just trying to learn and find out reasons people yell scam about exchanges, masternode coins, et al. I'm not out any money from this, the interest I have is in the community. Too many are being wrecked from bad actors and we're not doing much about it but "oh you learned!" in the selfish communities I'm reaching into that tend to be very dedicated to the wrong things.

I grew up on bbs's, moved to IRC, learned to build a business online with early dial-up internet and did seti project and other distributed computing initiatives. not many of them had a decent community and like this forum, there's a lot of technical discussions still published since 2008 on a simple machines lamp server stood up in someone's ad-hoc co-located overpowered virtual machine.

I miss that community of the "good ole' days." I miss seeing people standing up for motivated individuals and helping them along like it's a great mission... we still have, just not much in crypto like I see it in it's watered down form. I go back to IRC, and I find empty channels, new projects with 2 people in them, developer chats without a single brogrammer, and a few misguided hackers that still do the same things I remember them doing in 1991, only now they have kids.

To the core of the original greys of any community, it's my pleasure to meet everyone, and I feel like merit is a strange way to validate if someone is genuine or not. If people of honor exist, they won't have to tell you they are honorable.

in my best old man voice "In my day, if you wanted street cred...."

Quote from: Dark.Soul on November 18, 2018, 09:15:47 AM

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Nobody has returned to 0 as you state. Jr. Members that had not earned a single merit were demoted back to Newbie rank, but preserve the post count and Activity rate. There are good reasons behind this decision, and one needs to understand that spam levels on the forum were very high, due to the forum being considered by many solely as a money making machine and not a forum to exchange ideas (see Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030366.msg45810047#msg45810047)).

Honestly, earning a single merit is no big deal. Likely the first one will be more difficult than others to come (it took me almost two months before I received my first merit). So far, as of last Friday, 24.481 people have earned at least 1 merit on this forum. Reaching higher ranks is another story, since the merit requirements are high, but reaching Jr. Level should not be a challenge really.

Now simple one-liner’s won’t really postulate to being merited in general, so look around at merited posts to get an idea of what it takes, and try to see extract common factors. I find these to be: time and effort. That simple, and yet so ignored by many posts that ramp against the Merit System being difficult to engage even at a basic 1 merit level.

Will you automatically skip newbie members that have an activity score of 120+? This will indicate that the member had been possibly a Jr. Member before that got demoted back to newbie rank which means that they haven't received any merits on 4+ months since they joined the forum. Or will you still look into their post and post history to see if they improved their post quality in general?

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on November 18, 2018, 06:14:25 PM

... look around at merited posts to get an idea of what it takes, and try to see extract common factors. I find these to be: time and effort.

I believe that these two factors are extremely important, but in my opinion, they aren`t enough. They must be supported by two more indicators - perseverance and self-confidence. And they correlate with the factors that you mentioned. Perseverance is insistence and determination in achieving the goal. This principle can be expressed as "Never give up" (correlation with the time factor. However, time by itself isn`t enough, because without a persistent approach, you might give up in a certain amount of time). It`s perseverance that helps achieve great results. Small but persistent steps open up new wide horizons. Another key factor is confidence in yourself, in your actions, faith in your own strength and in personal competence. Believing in yourself with time, efforts, and perseverance will help you succeed in any endeavor.

Quote from: Chantella on November 19, 2018, 08:18:59 AM

What exactly will this give to me when someone gives a merit to me?

The merit that is given to you is because of what you did that contribute to the forum. Example is when you help other forum users by posting thread that is helpful to the forum and to forum members. The merit is also needed for ranking up your account from newbie jr. member. Check the link given by DdmrDdmr above for more information and also this thread by the theymos Merit & new rank requirements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0).

Congratulations for doing this. I know it's hard work to comb through a ton of posts that appear to be made by bots to find the actual humans who try to bring value to a topic instead of trying to game the activity score in order to rank up. What I find really interesting around here is how people can carry on conversations between themselves while spammers keep posting one liners between their replies. But in order to achieve this they make extensive use of the quote mechanism, because otherwise you couldn't follow their discussion. So I think your point about mis-quoting is correct, but you should take into consideration the fact that sometimes, you can use quotes extensively but for a good reason.

I think there is a need for a punishment mechanism other than the ban, to weed out spammers and bots. People who really try to contribute to the discussion around here get lost in a sea of irrelevant and useless posts. Maybe a feature similar to reddit, where users can spend their own merit to downgrade another user's posts because of spam or irrelevant gibberish would be interesting. What's your take on this?

Quote from: Direwolve735 on November 12, 2018, 06:38:00 PM

In existing conditions and with the currently approved rules, 1 Merit opens up great opportunities that can be used "for evil" (spam and shitposting for the bounty awards). That is why it`s necessary to think carefully before taking responsibility for the fact that it was you who gave the newbie a “ticket to life”. If you cannot explain and argue your decision for one reason or another, or if you doubt the expediency of awarding such a user with merit, it`s better to abstain. Otherwise, such a newbie may not contribute to the forum, but on the contrary, break the rules and write poor-quality posts for bounty campaigns.

The ones who just want use an account for evil can pay for Copper Membership instead of waiting g for a miracle... so this is some kind of double-egded sword.

Quote from: Jet Cash on November 13, 2018, 03:02:48 PM

One had bumped a 2015 thread with the single word "bump".

Could have been worse, like a repeated comment--this is something many indulge in as to hide the fact they are trying to bump a post.

Back to your post, this is an innovative way to help correct a lot of people from things they are doing wrong even if it doesn't entirely break any rule/ Posting your observations as you try to find value-filled posts or comments.

Quote from: mgaturon on November 20, 2018, 10:01:50 AM

If you give me a merit you will change my life forever

I’ve been awarded a few merits and have not noticed any change …. Ok, I understand that some see the forum as a place of work, expecting bounties to boost their wealth, especially in countries of dire economies … but … this is a forum whose core intent is to build-up on ideas and developments that are crypto-related (originally BTC centered). Additionally, some go into trading, and there is a wide span of services where one can make a pretty penny.

Bounties run for ICOs have the perverse effect of being considered an easy non-skilled job for some(/many), and that has lateral effects on the forum’s content, namely in the shape of increased spam. That is why the Merit System was installed in the first place, and by definition, you should post something meritable to receive merit.

If you really believe that merit is a life changer, then change you focus on how to get it in the first place and make the necessary efforts to create decent enough content to postulate to being merited.

Quote from: bosta20 on November 12, 2018, 07:48:32 PM

Nice move..

Friend; if you want to earn merit you try to add some comments. First you read the different topics discussed. After gaining some knowledge you will be able to answer to the problems or questions. If you continuously try to add something better there are chances anytime you gaining.
Just writing this type of words may not be advantageous. :)

As it is really hard to get first merit from jet cash. Although It is not impossible for a good poster. I have seen here in form that some of our senior merited without any research on post history of the receiver. They merited for that particular post and judge the receiver from that post only which is not good for the forum. Because now the first merit becomes the most important one. After the introduction of demerit system every spammer wants the only first merit at any cost. For that they make some good posts for time being. So never ever transfer merit without a proper look at the previous history.

Quote from: Jet Cash on November 11, 2018, 06:53:43 PM

Of course I skipped any misuse of quoting or formatting as well.

What do you consider to be bad quoting habit? I am always quoting parts that I try to reply to. I think that I would have failed in your test on many levels, but on the other hand I feel that I improved a lot since I joined the forum. My mistakes that I know of are my bad english and that my posting history is full of bounties (although I am going through my posts once or twice a month to delete the expired ones).

Quote from: Fenya96 on November 20, 2018, 07:36:39 PM

Jet Cash talking about full quotes when user don't remove irrelevant parts of quote, images and other content. It's also not advised to quote OP.
I think it's ok what you are doing. For example now you didn't quoted full original post, but only part of it that you're replying to.

Quote from: Jet Cash on November 11, 2018, 06:53:43 PM

I decided that I would look for some members with 0 merits, and see if I can find a post that deserved merit to get them started.

Lots of work you did. I actually give merits when im browsing forum and discussing.
If i see some merit worthy post, that is helpful to others but not trying to pretend its useful but actually it is, then its worth merit.

Old system was unfair... To be honest I did some shitposting in order to rank up... But I noticed now you need merit. While I find this annoying, It's the best way to prevent spam. It is also hard for newbies since they are not into crypto and don't really understand what to do.

I thank your work because having 0 merit is very annoying, but I think you should continue your regular posting instead of seeking for us. Actually It's our job to improve ourselves. This way eventually anyone will get merit. Anyone who truly loves this forum and crypto will eventually get merit from someone.

And by the way It would be so kind if you gave me 1 merit, but I don't know if I deserve It :P

Quote from: yodomaster on November 21, 2018, 07:42:03 AM

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You will normally find this sort of information on the Meta board. The thread you are looking for is the following: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030366.msg45810047#msg45810047). In terms of ranking therefore, it affects you in terms of needing to obtain at least 1 Merit alongside >= 30 activity) to become a Jr. Member.

In addition, as you can see on the referenced link, you cannot have a signature nor a personal message until you do so (unless you decide to acquire a copper membership (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote)).

Quote from: mgaturon on November 20, 2018, 10:01:50 AM

If you give me a merit you will change my life forever

Your life will change when you start making efforts to make contributions to the forum, not when you receive merit. Be interested in events in the crypto sphere, study the market, learn something new and share information with others. It`s these actions that will lead to a change in your life, as you replenish the treasury of your knowledge and begin to help others. Merit is more likely the reaction of other participants to your investment and contributory actions, it`s not a "life changer" by itself.

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