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The article on the Indianz website, which everyone seems to assume is evidence that Mazacoin is a scam appears to have been written by Brandon Ecoffey, a former  high school basketball coach/cocaine addict that conspired to deal cocaine, and was sentenced to 41 months in 2009 for his part in the distribution of 15kg of cocaine on the Reservation. Moreover, Ecoffey had a relatively privileged upbringing having attended Dartmouth college and is the son of a high ranking official in the Bureau of Indian Affairs, so his moral compass is way off. See article or just google it:

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/bia-superintendent-s-son-sentenced-for-drug-conspiracy/article_dacbcd90-d32e-11de-bd3c-001cc4c002e0.html (http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/bia-superintendent-s-son-sentenced-for-drug-conspiracy/article_dacbcd90-d32e-11de-bd3c-001cc4c002e0.html)

I seriously doubt that his opinion has any influence on the community, in fact by all accounts, he is a major embarrassment.  To quote from the article:

"Assistant U.S. Attorney Mara Kohn said Ecoffey...lied repeatedly to investigators, minimized his role in the operation, and neglected to mention that he had gotten Vigil a new drug supplier when his old connection stopped selling."

It is clear from the Indianz article that Ecoffey has another agenda.  He was being disingenuous by suggesting Payu Harris Kimitsu was not a member of the tribe.  All he had to do was a google search to see that Payu has been an activist for many years and had has publicly campaigned on various issues and been involved with various initiatives, the latest of which is Mazacoin.

From Ecoffey's Twitter:  

"Brandon Ecoffey ‏@BEcoffeyNSwkly  Dec 26
Looking to start beef with another columnist...let's make each other famous, but I'm L.L. and you are Cannabis. Takers?

Brandon Ecoffey ‏@BEcoffeyNSwkly  Jan 3
I am becoming increasingly annoyed and turned off by many Native organizations.

Brandon Ecoffey ‏@BEcoffeyNSwkly  Dec 24
Its all smiles directed at this Native, then they hear hiphop blasting from my ride and it is then time to clutch the purse. Smile back I do

Brandon Ecoffey ‏@BEcoffeyNSwkly  Dec 24
Stop locking up non-violent drug offenders, we really aren't that bad

Brandon Ecoffey ‏@BEcoffeyNSwkly  Dec 14
Most commonly asked question, "it's your dad running for tribal president?" He isn't buying ads or paying salary. #nocomment

Brandon Ecoffey ‏@BEcoffeyNSwkly  Dec 10
@bulldawg170 @jessamynduke Me: Single, ivy league educated, boss/buddy #passthedigits"

whether the coin is a scam or not, you making personal attacks against your detractors doesn't exactly make you look any better..... if someone has made false accusations against your coin then point that out, provide facts, and state your counter arguments... to make an entire thread dedicated to an ad hominem attack only goes to make people believe that maybe you can't refute any of the so called FUD

Where is the attack? I merely reported the facts.

The coin is far from scam.

It doesn't necessarily need to be false to be an Ad Hominem attack/logical fallacy.

The point is, you resorted to assaulting their character instead of actually addressing their points and making one yourself.

Please identify the assault on his character.  I was merely paraphrasing what his own father said in the linked article. 

BTW. I am fully versed in logical fallacies.  The whole notion that this was a scam originated from an appeal to argument from authority in relation to the author of the article.  

Great...you've just provided your first valid defense that I've seen so far...keep going.

Make REAL points now. 

...and red herring as has been pointed out by others above.  Thanks for the condescension.

I wish we had more word from the members of the Nation as well as the entire council as to their opinion of the project.  Has there been anything from them yet?  It looks like if reporters had real interest in this story they would be asking the people it was meant for their opinion.

Its a strange phenomenom. We invest thousands into questionable coins and then ignore, downplay, or sabatoge the ones with merit.

Its a strange phenomenom. We invest thousands into questionable coins and then ignore, downplay, or sabatoge the ones with merit.

Its a strange phenomenom. We invest thousands into questionable coins and then ignore, downplay, or sabatoge the ones with merit.

The problem around here is just way too many teenagers and dumb kids, you can spot one instantly when they declare, "What, a billion coins, it will never be worth a dollar!", clearly they have no grasp of how little money a billion is in a global economy.

Its a strange phenomenom. We invest thousands into questionable coins and then ignore, downplay, or sabatoge the ones with merit.

I chatted with Payu Harris at length, he is legit. Who am I with just a few posts in bitcointalk.org? Nobody I guess... but I have been reviewing and testing cryptos since the first alts. I am the founder of a fairly large Crypto Club with 800 active members, including developers and press, and yes, Payu Harris the Native American activist is also a member. He actually impressed me with how hard he is trying to promote Mazacoin despite all the trolls and FUD.

I contact devs to ferret out scams and actually do real research before I buy or recommend. I also test fiat exchanges and review them with my own limited funds to help out the movement. Scam reps just ignore me, legit people talk to me. There are issues with some elders in the tribes that like the cozy safe setup they have now, but the young people love it. My talk with Payu was private so I won't post it here, and you are free to believe everything is a scam and not bother doing the work. 80% unemployment among the Lakota, roughly 80% employment in Iceland. Amusing that AUR isn't a scam, to some, or doesn't raise as many "Red Flags." MZC could actually help people, and in tandem, help cryptos and Bitcoin. Whatever though, I am holding and believe in it. I remember selling my LTC early on because it was "scam", not again.

Regardless of whatever the status is among those in the tribes wanting handouts long term, if MZC is successful enough, they *will* adopt it officially, and real change could begin. That could raise Bitcoin and Alts in general if it actually works. Of course, people can just pump MYR and such, I guess that is also a plan.

-Cryptocurrency Collectors Club

Keep in mind that Payu is single and missing his front teeth.

There's a good chance he's or was a crack pipe smoker.

Do you know how stupid you sound? most 50 % of america wear bridges and have no front teeth..Show me a hockey player with real front teeth

http://www.reddit.com/r/mazacoin/comments/205w90/is_it_a_scam_heres_a_breakdown_of_the_fud_where/

"MazaCoin is the official currency of the sovereign free state of the Oglala Lakota. "

As an American who's only ever met one person without front teeth, I'd like to know where this large population is hiding.

Chances are if they are wearing bridges you would never know it.  Same goes for the 20 million or so Americans that wear dentures.  The 50% number is high for the general population but probably not that high for hockey players.  The numbers also suggest that at age 65 you'll be wearing some sort of false tooth or teeth.  It only takes one small accident to end up looking like "a crack pipe smoker" as Herp would put it.


Why don't we stop with the attacks on individuals?  We're not in high school anymore (or are we?).  Say what you want about the value of the coin but leave the personal attacks out of the thread please.

boxxa: if the lakota doesn't accept it, we can still work to use it for other nations. but the nations aren't going to come out and say "yes we are going to do this" and risk the federal govt backlash
boxxa: its a slipperly slope and i am glad i dont deal with that element

boxxa:if the premine moved, you will see a lot of people distance themselves from anythign associated with this project including myself. that foundation and how the tribal trust is built is a key part to acceptance of a major currency

I think the real problem here is that very early on, people started saying something to the effect of that the coin was "the first cryptocurrency that will be the official currency of a sovereign nation."

Regardless of who said this first, or whether the developers actually had any part in these claims, it spread like wildfire.

Then it came out that it is supposedly not supported by the main portion of the Native American tribe which is actually recognized by the US Government, but rather by a "splinter group."

I think this simply did the most damage overall and caused a massive panic sell.