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People you noticed, that in the last time we experiencing problems with some projects. Who break their promises. Very often I see a refusal to distribute tokens and a refusal to list on centralized exchanges and their motivation is only that the market is not bullish and that we are waiting for it to start again. I would like to discuss possible solutions for these projects here. Because some investors don't care. It is very few people who resent this behavior teams. And it is impossible to discuss this topic. So I decided that maybe here I will find like-minded people and we can come to some useful conclusion.

Because some projects still come into the market, fulfilling all of its promises. And these projects are not so few. I believe that I have the right to reproach those projects that do not fulfill their promises.

I think it's time to move on from pleasantries to business.

Or maybe here, I'll be convinced that I'm wrong. Maybe they are right and the bear is dangerous for the investor? But I think the bear can still torment the market for a long time. So as growth was large. But their expectations of a bullish market may lead to the fact that their competitors will come to this market before them and take over most of them.

some bounty campaigns also state the reason why they are closing the market is because of the current market situation that is too low. Though, some pays the bounty hunters, many projects just leave nothing for them. I think it is a more sensible for of scam so we should be aware of it.

Present market conditions has altered various project roadmap and plans, no matter how promising a project could be, the present market condition won't make the coin to have good value. I felt demands are very short sellers are more than buyers to so extent it better to wait but if things doest change till first quarter of 2019 i don't think they will have any other choice than to list the coin.

Yes, now all the new tokens, which first appear on the stock exchange, are falling in price. However, in the future, when the market starts to recover, this token will also increase in price if the project is promising. It all depends on the project. Therefore, I do not see a particular problem if the price of a new token temporarily falls during a general market decline.
However, if the ICO team does not want its token to fall in value, it can block the movement of its tokens in our wallets for a certain time. However, we will see that the tokens are already in us and the team is not deceiving us. Then together we will expect the rise of the cryptocurrency market.

All of those "companies", don't have a running software and they would just dump their already useless tokens, into a bear market. What do you think would happen..

It's a very bad act and I don't think it is right for the industry. All the excuses they that are giving are not reliable and they are not sufficient for them to delay listing. I bought Acorn during ICO, they delay listing since June. They just got listed yesterday and the token still don't hard. This is a free market and they should allow the market to dictate the price of any coin or token per time. The truth is that we need a new ICO model that will give investors right to be part of decisions making of any project.

I'm not sure if this is true or not. But if this is the case then it doesn't look good for the project. I mean why would it take them long to list on the exchange because of the bearish trend? For all we know they're project failed because of the market sentiments already. Other project didn't even reach their soft cap. But this is very deceiving moved from them and they shouldn't reason out that they will delay it because of the bear market.

I do not understand that you can skip the project team about this. When you participated in ISO and invested your money, the team did not sign any agreements with you regarding further listing of coins on stock exchanges. The team always writes one word “Soon” on the official telegram channel.
I will follow this topic. I wonder what the offers from people will be.

I for one still believe any good project can do well in a bearish market. If the project actually has a thing going, it may not do as well as it should in a bull run, but it should'nt crash to the buttom because of bear market . Solid projects can also suffer from real lows amd major dumps, but this does not mean that they would not still rise up and claim their normal price in the nearest future . I belive its all about how serious the team is, than how  the market capitilization is doing.

I believe OP here talking about the successful ICO that refuses to pay the bounties and keep coming up with reason after another, not the failed ICO.
So about the projects that refuse to pay bounties and keep delays without really any good reason, I think they should get some kind of penalties.
And for the exchange part, I believe you are talking about some projects that refused to get listed, and I think it is totally up to them unless it is stated clearly in the roadmap when they will be listed.

Some projects actually list in the bear market because the more you keep waiting, delaying listing, the more investors get tired and lose confidence in the project. In essence, listing when due is necessary after ICO to prevent dumping on decentralized exchanges or unofficial trades.

You are right, now a lot of projects extend the date of issue of coins or do not want their token to be on the exchange. I myself participated in such bounty campaigns and am still waiting for payments for about a year. We can do nothing to help or wait for such projects to be active, as the market situation is really awful and the appearance of coins on the stock exchange can have a negative impact on the development of the token.

From the companies point of view they have to do what they think is best. If they believe that in the long run the token value will be higher if they delay listing until the market takes an upturn then that's what they should do. They're still capable of proceeding with development beyond that point. There have been a few ICOs I've seen that have allowed investors to have a say in development and the release of funds, perhaps these projects are best if you want to avoid the scenario you spoke of.

It is investors right to be listed. Most of the ICO give promises to be listed after the ICO but after they see the bearish run they decide to not to be listed. I really do not believe these projects because they are not reliable. Time is changing investors idea can be changed also, I must be able to sell my coin any time I want. Even I am a long run investor, I sell my all coins whenever they do not keep their promises.

As much as some investors do not like it, the fact still rains that listing in the bear market is basically like shooting the token price with a gun, it would definitely fall. Only very few tokens has ever listed in these conditions and made profit.

I see there are many projects like that and if you are one of the victims then I think it's natural that you feel disappointed or even angry but as long as they haven't disappeared then I can say that they have a reason or indeed waiting for the right time to distribute and register their coins on the exchange

Projects are of different rates and the team has different levels of experience and expertise.
A super project with a standard team could pull of their olans even in the bearish market, as it is at this time that enthusiasts are looking for quality projects to hold on to.

As for the lesser projects which pushes back their timelines due to the unfavourable market, it doesn't automatically make them bad projescts. The market has been very unfavourable.

Also some scams hide behind bad market to make an exit while the project is dumping and abandon the project mid way.

I can say for sure that in some projects, there is no intention to deceive people, they sincerely believe that their expectation of a bullish rally will benefit everyone. You see-I have a different opinion, and I have already described my point above why I think differently. Hoping to find something that will help to convince them not to wait, that may not happen, and fully implement work plan and promises.

Well, may be the devs feel not enough secure in the circumstances of bearish market. But in my opinion, many teams are not qualified enough to be able to keep the token's price in such an economic situation.

Actually if you are in this time, you will decide. Listing your tokens during a bad market like this will greatly affect your tokens price as well as your company's capital.

Thats is scam projects i think.
What the difference which market now, your project doing products or speculate on the exchanges ?

Their biggest fear is to file their coins when the price of bitcoin goes down, that's certain. Because if the price of bitcoin goes down then they won't get enough bitcoin for them to collect.
On the other hand, there are many investors who feel disadvantaged by the late listing in exchange. I think they are not ready for this condition.

There are tons of finished ICOs that have been postponing listing on decentralized exchanges because of the bearish market and it's not even looking like there will be bullish market this year, meaning most of them might wait forever to list on decentralized exchange because no matter how good the project is it'll lose value due to this bearish market

Bear market makes the situation tough for many projects after listing if they are not using market making and
not have enough liquidity on the market as the token value can crash and not recover at all. They have to insure
enough demand for their project and community support is crucial in that.

You're right. Too many ICO fail and too many projects have not fulfilled their obligations this year. Tokens are issued on the exchange ten times cheaper than they should have cost. There's no more patience.

The reason stated by the projects for not listing are not concrete excuses. They should go ahead with the listing and let the coins swings with the market condition.

I have repeatedly encountered this problem, but I think that this should not happen if the company is worthy, after the company makes a listing on the stock exchanges in any case, the growth should occur

Most of the projects from previous months are totally scam I mean they all get their ideas, whitepaper on some existing altcoins. I rather choose ico that is very unique in nature something useful and can help to solve problem of the society. Which is very secure on the blockchain technology.

I think their decision is good and right because when listing on bear market condition will give no benefits for their investor. Most investor prefer selling their token in bear market because they are afraid to hold.
Maybe some investor angry and lossing trust on the project but i think developers team already considering from many aspect and i think holding listing in this condition is good for their investor

each project does what it wants because it knows it will remain completely unpunished

I support the developers and I also believe that there is no need to turn over new projects in the bear market, the posterity that they thus immediately depreciate

this is not exactly the right strategy because people want to see a profit from their actions in the market

Probably, ICOs and their projects abandon the listing in order to be safe in the current market situation. If the market is down, there a very little opportunity that their project will become successful. Though, some projects continue to the racetrack, only few nowadays are getting successful.

It is very rare for ICO to abandon its listing. If an ICO has reached softcap, why should they give up? Of course, this is better than a scam anyway, at least investors will not have any loss.
I guess there may be a very important reason, because the bear market, unless it is particularly excellent ICO, it is very difficult to succeed.

Due to this year's bear market, I saw many projects abandoned the market. This is very bad, which makes our hunters unable to receive rewards on time and also reduces our income!

The market is down and there is no assurance that this can be different next year...there must be something that can encourage some big movements in the cryptocurrency space in 2019 so we can experience the so-called bull run again. I can still remember that in 2017 almost all projects that are considered to be viable were so successful in getting the funds they wanted and they were able to enter the best exchanges after the ICO phase but in 2018 drastic changes came...partly because investors got so tired of losing money with scams and failed projects. Right now, it is so hard to trust a project because we really can not be sure what can be.

I believe that those projects that refuse to pay bounty hunters in the sake of the poor market are all scam projects ,whether market is bad or not if you are so sure of your project it won't be for that reason to stop, some good projects still launch and get listed on exchanges in this beary year and so far they are doing fine

This is a common phenomenon in ICO. No developer team gave up their coins after listing. The correct timing of the players is more conducive to the development of the project. But ICO must be ICO, not plagiarism. A good ICO that changes the time to market does not affect the development of the project. But a bad coin may be fraudulently using extensions.

yes true. even some projects are increasing the ico sale period and waiting for more funds. also lot of projects are not listing in a exchange. bear market is not a good period for any period. anyway i think everything will be fine if the market becomes positive and green.

This is a very correct operation. When the market is in a downturn, excellent projects need to be avoided. Otherwise, blind listings and blind investments are not good for profits. Any project will only get better if the cryptocurrency market rises.

Good projects usually use this way to avoid dumping, I see a lot of ICOs have hit the hardcap over time but they have not listed at the exchanges because they are afraid of the price of the token falling down. That is great for investors

The bear market has become dangerous for investors. Only a few people can make money in a bear market. The ICO development team is also delaying time to market. It is important to know that the ICO development team must be accountable to investors and that these projects will receive more support. Every ICO development team wants to lose money on coins. But not all coins that are delayed in listing are excellent, and they may still have fraud.

Yes, that's right, some projects do not understand and do not though - expose themselves as scammers. They have their own ideology, their own expectations-I can understand it, but can everyone else understand? They are constantly writing that tomorrow is tomorrow,but in fact, for 9 months it will not come tomorrow.

And who will give them penalties? We all know that the market is free and decentralized, no custodian or central authority to handle those disputes. I'm sure that everyone knows that ICO is a gamble, you invest and then you don't know when your getting the profits. If you're not willing to take that risk then its better not to join at all, same with bounty hunters. It going to be difficult to us because we don't have total of the decision of the project themselves, roadmaps might be there but I'm sure majority don't follow it because of some unexpected event.

Hmm, I think they are not really abandoned the listing, they just pending the listing to exchange to keep the price of token stable. If they listing the token too fast (especially at this bearish trend like now), I'm sure their token price will be dumped and make their investor disappointed...

They better develop the working product first, so their token will have utility...

ICOs ought to have prepare outrightly before the sale of their tokens irrespective of how the market is going to span out either bullish or bearish when the market is bearish there are many excuses tendered by the ICOs which negates the trust given to them by investors and excuses of not reaching soft cap will be the order of the day

As per my knowledge listing in exchange doesn't effect the price of the coins and solely depends on the project potential and a strong team vision and how much community is willing to buy them and keep it holding for long term. Most of the time team give excuses for market conditions and delays listing and they loose their trust. Just my 2 cents.

It's a damn lie of such projects. Bear market takes no effect to token distribution and exchange listing. Token distribution can be done smoothly at at anytime if there is no network congestion. In bear or bull market, centralized exchanges always accept listing application.

I also encountered the same situation. I completed a three-month bounty event. Although he has announced that he will land on the exchange, due to fear of a bear market, it will be postponed until next year!

I think that the ICO team in any case should pay the tokens to bounty hunters. But to transfer or not to the exchange of new tokens during a bear market, there is an ambiguous problem. I, in principle, admit the possibility of listing delays in a bear market, in order to avoid a fall in the price of the token. Perhaps this should be decided by an investor vote in each particular case.

I think if developers don't leave the list but still try to find loopholes so that they can be registered according to the quality of the exchange, so waiting for something for good is good, rather than hurrying but having a list that is not as expected.

indeed there are many investors who are disappointed by the decisions of developers and sometimes not in accordance with the plans they make in the roadmap. for now I prefer completed projects or old altcoins, the first reason is because they already have the product or platform and the second reason they have been listed in various exchanges, if there are good and available investment options, so why do we choose other altcoins that are uncertain with an unclear future?

This approach is usually dangerous, but since the developer team has ended the ICO. Their funds are in place, and this may be a strategy for the developer team. Good coins will definitely be better, bad coins will disappear, and the cryptocurrency market is very cruel.

In General, I do not quite understand why there are so many people who write about bounty tokens. I didn't bring up bounty here. I outlined two positions - the rejection of the listing and the distribution of tokens. And Yes, in response to your proposal to vote, among investors. I assure you that voting as usual is a tool for solving problems of the team, they make the results of the vote for themselves. I have now had one project that they said they would do the vote and return money to investors - 60% of the amount. And according to the results of voting returned 60% of the invested. What nonsense. Who needs 60%? This is fraud! I'll never agree to that! Let them keep their promises!