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 So regardless of the reason of this last dip. I noticed 2 of the top 10 coins ( XRP and XLM) sort of survived the dip and performed well against BTC which usually is not the case comparing this dip to  previews dips . take 11th oct 2018 for example.

in USD rate in the last 7 days :

BTC dropped : 13.48%
XRP dropped : 6.7 %
XLM dropped : 9.2%

also XRP surpassed ETH "not for the first time" but this time i think it will last.


I think that these 2 coins will remain more stable than bitcoin for a long time.

seems like centralization or semi-centralization in crypto is going to take over one way or the other. I hope not but we shall see soon.

tell me what you guys think?

you are calculating percentages wrong!
XRP got dumped from $0.53 down to $0.43 and that is 18.8%
XLM got dumped from $0.26 down to $0.21 and that is 19.2%

besides the rule is this:
when bitcoin drops, altcoins get dumped hard unless they are on in pumping session.

so altcoins may not always even go down! they may actually go up. as it was the case with a couple of them that have been pumping during the past 48 hours.

don't confuse pumps with "taking over"!

Another crappy thread about alts?

Have any Alts stored value for 10 years and funded almost every alt and dev teams projects?

Riiiighhhttt.

You're comparing bitcoin to what? 2 alts? Out of what? More than a thousand? If anything, I'm pretty sure the reason why XRP and XLM are having a swift pullback is because of the people speculating about which coins/tokens are going to be listed on Coinbase next.

Take a look at the 7 daycharts with a bigger picture. Most alts are still tanking significantly harder.

I'm sorry but I think OP trying to make hype about xrp and xlm so FOMOs will panic and buy these alts. The motive is just plain and obvious though and hopefully people won't take a bite to this.
What we should be doing now is to accumulate more.

Ok bye. Need to fill my bags now.  :D

Generally a drop in Bitcoin leads to a drop in other cryotocurrencies but this is not all inculsive and any coin or token which is not overly affected by a crash usually experiences a pump as traders flip their holdings for those few greens in the sea of red.

And I don't think this is any argument to say a coin is less volatile than Bitcoin, you would need to fmdraw out a more detailed and longer chart analysis

yes..  many alt coins are maintaining  stable price of a coin in a longer term.

You think that Bitcoin is less stable than some ALTs only depending on a short-term data.  This is ridiculous.
Are you blind?  Can you not see that the price of those altcoins has fallen by more than 80% from ATH?
In fact, the price of Bitcoin has fallen by 60%-70% compared to last year's ATH, compared to almost all altcoins lost more than 80% of the ATH price.
From this year's market, bitcoin is more stable than any kind of altcoin.

most of these altcoins had a small recovery after they got dumped which is why you are seeing a smaller red number in front of them. but in fact they all got dumped a lot bigger than bitcoin price drop.

the reason is probably because the whole pressure was on bitcoin to crash it and it still has not gone away so it is impossible for it to recover.

Actually altcoins (aka shitcoins) die more often than they maintain value....

Intelligent people can do the math and research for themselves, what the current odds are an altcoin lasts.

maybe you wanted to say BTC is the most stable coin out of the other cryptocurrency because the price of altcoin depend greatly on bitcoin and ones the price of bitcoin fall slightly, the altcoin price also fall. However, BTC is still more stable because of High trading volume and besides during deep fall, trader tend to exchange some altcoin for BTC to stay very safe.

Especially for XRP and XLM, these days are nice. Because they have a good news on the market. XRP always on the agenda. Especially in recent days. And XLM getting listed on blockchain.com . This good news hold their value despite the market situation.

Less stable in what terms? The figures you have provided clearly don't state anything of clear importance to me, and no, centralized coins won't replace cryptocurrency since you can clearly see that in the midst of crashes and burns of decentralized coins, people still choose them over XRP and the likes. A brief green on the books while everything else is red isn't a clear indication of a more favorable market condition in the long run. But yeah, I guess whatever floats your boat then; it's your money anyway.

So where is this going to?
What is your purpose for comparing it to those two altcoins?
For advertisements? Want to pump the coins that you are holding and that is why you posted it in bitcoin discussion?
Oh yes guys this is bitcoin discussion. Telling it before it will be exported to altcoin discussion. ;D

You want stability? Go with USDT. It will always be 1:1 with USD.

In my point of view, bitcoin is much stable than altcoin. As far as I am connected with the crypto world I have been watching in the crypto market bitcoin is a more stable coin rather than altcoin because altcoin depends on bitcoin in every stage of the price.

He just wants to pretend ripple wasn't $3 twelve months ago, and Stellar wasn't $0.80....



It's been as low as $0.93.... stablecoins are shit.

The fact that XRP and XLM now show better vitality is better than Bitcoin due to the fact that Ripple has signed many new agreements with banks, is constantly evolving and conquering new companies. Stellar is also growing quite actively and some projects decided to transfer their tokens from blockchain Ethereum to blockchain Stellar due to a number of its advantages. All this contributed to the growth in demand for these coins and the best performance during the general fall on the crypto market.

if you want stability then you should go with fiat not another altcoin which happens to be unstable despite its name! not to mention the risks of USDT which can bankrupt you in an instant.
Tether and all the stable coins like it which are centralized are only good for transferring money between exchanges and nothing else.

I think it's not right to compare Bitcoin with such coins as XLM and XRP, because Bitcoin is a completely decentralized coin that no one controls, and XRP is not even a cryptocurrency, because it is a coin that is completely centralized by the Ripple team and naturally that the team can influence the price of their coin the way they want it and how it benefits them. XLM is a decentralized coin embedded in the Stellar network, but since the Stellar network does not use mining, all the coins are available when the network starts. The holder of most of them is the non-profit organization Stellar.org that allows it to influence the XLM price by adjusting the supply and demand of the coin.

It's  not comparable with the Alts as btc is currently undergoing a temporary dip that will recover few weeks from now.  Alts should be compared with the other alts and not with bitcoin since the price value is no match with the comparison. Nothing can match with btc as this currency had surpassed many trials within 10 years since it started in the crypto market and a current price value is way up high tan it was before. In my opinion, btc is still the most stable coin than the rest of the other crypto currencies.

welll everyone taking similar damage percentage. no one escape the bloodbath.

After talking about stability I don't think we can say that bitcoin and other coins are like that because when you say decentralized we can not say it is stable but we can say that if there is no further movement with a Cryptocurrency it is considered that it just has a low volatility And if you are talking about the much volatile is bitcoin other than Altcoins I think it will depend on which have a  higher price and surely these are not a similar Cryptocurrency and Altcoins was very dependent on bitcoin.

why are many of you buthurt? unless you are dumb enough then I do not see where and how did you conclude that i am trying to spread FOMO or HYPE over xlm and xrp? mining is one of the main sources of income for me. I so want nothing more than BTC and pow coins succeeding over these pos coins including xrp and xlm.

the only time i buy those coins is when i day trade them to get more BTC . so really relax not trying to shill xrp and xlm.

the main point here is simply asking why havn't we seen a huge drop on xlmbtc and xrpbtc ? usually when BTC dips alts dumps against it. but this last dip it was pretty different.

BTCusd

https://i.imgur.com/i5XIWQJ.jpg


xlmbtc

https://i.imgur.com/vS9aOa5.jpg

xlmUSD

https://i.imgur.com/TKupncL.jpg


look at the last 3 daily candles. BTC is dumping , xlm doesn't give a fuck ! .

this is a rare case. I have been trading the market for quite sometime and almost every time BTC goes down against USD , ALTS dumps even harder. this time it was different and it kinds rings an alarm !

if you look at ETH, LTC ,EOS,ADA,XMR,TRX,DASH etc, they all lose value against BTC therefore losing more $ value than btc. but these 2 coins have not. this is what I am trying to point out. talking particularly about this last dip, and not from ATH.


To sum up, I personally think that  investors might start to have more trust in ALTs than they did before,  i know no ALT will surpass BTC at least I will not live long enough to see that happen, but i highly think the next bull run will favor some ALTs more than BTC.


If you want to be BTC enthusiast that is your problem, I am in this to make more MONEY that's my first motive, second motive is the technology. I bet all of us are the same but most of us are just to shy to admit it saying we are in for the technology.

For me I think bitcoin is more stable than alts,  meanwhile bitcoin is what controls the entire market,  if you check very well alts dumps together with bitcoin and they likely moon together (like father like son)

yes this has always been the case, but not with this recent dip. check the comment below, see how xlm could care less about btc dumping. if we see another dip for btc and xlm holds, then it would be a strong sigh that some alts will decouple from btc.

we need to be open minded to whatever the future may bring and not to always live in the past.

Most of this coins that sims to skyrocket suddenly in most cases turn out to be pump and dump coins which market rise is not subject to intense demand on the commodity in the exchange market and at that the price rise will not last. I don't believe there is any thing like stability in the cryptocurrency market.

Altcoins can not be more stable than bitcoin, because they are very dependent on it. Moreover, bitcoin has a very high capitalization, which also makes it less prone to volatility.

If we compare the charts of altcoins and bitcoins for this year, then we can confidently say that altcoins follow bitcoins. And now there is no stable cryptocurrency on the market. Bitcoin capitalization is the highest, so bitcoin determines the overall direction of the cryptocurrency market.

Yes but during this time that dump was much more larger than before.

Take as reference what happened to bitcoin during the last two days, the price dropped from $6700 to less than $5500, that is HUGE, i was considering to buy a week before, i am glad that i did not .

The market is gonna recover, but not now

In what term are you comparing. you must classify it clearly. for me, I don't think that there are any ALTs are stable than bitcoin.

really? You do a bitcoin comparison of two altcoins in a relatively short time, only 7 days. you only judge when the two altcoins have experienced good market price developments, not the average market price since a significant decline at the beginning of the year. I think bitcoin has become the only one that is able to stabilize at the top price to this day. when other altcoins such as ethereum sometimes experience a surprising decline, bitcoin is able to stabilize in the same price range for several months. You have to do research and analysis again, unless you have an interest in providing a good image of the two altcoins.

The title is misleading. You have shown details of alts and for BTC to compare and base on the graph you show BTC has more percentage of market price drop than the alt coins. Anyway, you are right but your data is wrong. The altcoins could be easily agitated and will definitely will free fall for more than the BTC.

Some alts coin survive when bitcoin drop recently and some increasing a little. But we know that most price altcoin depending on bitcoin and i think if more altcoin can survive when bitcoin price drop, its good for market healthy because can reducing bitcoin dominant in market

it is because in the charts you have posted here, you have zoomed out of bitcoin chart as much as you could and you are looking at the daily charts while you have zoomed in the altcoin charts and are only looking at the bounce back part of it so you think there was a rise.

what happened is that there is a huge FUD going on against bitcoin and there is a huge sell off in bitcoin market which is KEEPING the price down while the altcoins got dumped as bitcoin dropped but since there was nobody "continuing to sell them" the price bounced back a little hence decreasing the over all size of the drop when you calculate it using the current price and price before the drop.

Is there any meaning to this thread.? Check your facts first, most of it is just your opinion and not truth. No alt has even a slightest chance to compete against BTC so there is no meaning in comparison.

look at your yearly chart.... it was more overvalued than any Alt during the December FOMO. It still looks overvalued by a lot of people but go hard if you want with it.

Today's fall is caused by market manipulations aimed at a bitcoin price collapse. Perhaps most of the Bitcoin was sold in order to buy BCH before the upcoming hard fork, and some traders began selling Bitcoin after succumbing to panic in the market. Some altcoins can actually show greater stability compared to Bitcoin, but this is more likely because teams are easier to control the price of coins with lower capitalization than to control the price of Bitcoin, whose capitalization exceeds 50%.

Some of Alts might seem more stable than bitcoin in this period. But it doesn't show that they are stronger than bitcoin. Since their prices are les than bitcoin, they may be affected less by this recent dump. It is just a temporary situation and means nothing.

If a coin is more reliable and productivity, then it could pump in all the methods, but all of these coins rely on Bitcoin so they dance with BTC.
XRP still not yet reached $1 from the past few months, not sure why people sell.

I pay attention to some stable altcoins, those are...
DGD (DigixDAO)
USDT (Tether)
MKR (Maker)
BTS (BitShares) and DAI
to be honest, Bitcoin is still far less stable than these five altcoins.

If we analyze the market in 7 days interval, we can arrive to any conclusions, depending on which intervals exactly to pick. Maybe for now BTC seems more volatile then some of ALTs, but in the long run I don't find these charts to be a reliable source of data for trading or investment decisions.

you have  quite a good imagination , i did not zoom out or in of anything. i simply screenshot the charts as they were showing on my screen with no intention of making any illusion. the charts were simply to show you the last 3 candles on the daily chart regardless of how large or small they may look they are all on the same time-frame. these are charts based on real values, it's not what i THINK as you mentioned.


any how, you have a good explanation on why haven't those coins dumped. which is obvious ! nobody was "continuing to sell them" which has not been the case in most other dips. most of the time if not all, every time people sold bitcoin with that huge volume , people panic and sell more ALTs. it's this concept that most traders have, if btc that has almost 50% of the market cap is dipping then it will only be worse for ALTs. but this time it was different. and if you look at XRP chart of today it's up 5.5% the last 24 hrs. this makes xrp down by -2.7% on 7-days change.
xlm gained 2.77% the past 24hrs makes it down -5.32% based last 7 days change,
while bitcoin gained .16% the past 24hrs and down by -13.46%  on 7 days change  * all based on USD rate for 7 days change.


https://i.imgur.com/ljA2R5k.png

the image above is from CMC app , which represents the average of most exchange platforms.

if you can't trust the numbers shown there. open the charts and do the calcs yourself. you will get at least 99% the same figures. so really it's nothing of what I THINK , it's what the numbers show.


Again i am not shilling any of these coins, in fact i am quite upset about my thoughts. i am worried that people will keep selling their btc for ALTs ,specially those POS coins that i personally dislike.

one guy i knew sold all his btc for xrp thinking xrp has a better support by bankers and in terms of growth centralization will have better success. seems like he is not the only one thinking this. and this may be a new trend for many traders. I hope i am wrong tho.

anyway the next DIP will show how will investors react.



i wouldn't touch any of those coins. risky as hell. if you want to be in the stable mode then just keep fiat. just my 2 cents



indeed , 7 days interval is no were near accurate enough to come up with any conclusions. but this could be a kick-start of a new era. Shitcoins surpassing BTC, and if that train is about to move i want to be in it not just watching from the outside :D

Bitcoin is still stable, but not by the way that it was before.

I think that the best time for bitcoins was when the price was roughly at $1000 - $2000 for the first time, it was pretty stable and you didn't had to think about the fluctuations all the time.

Now everything is different, but we don't know till when.

yes some Alt coins are maintaining stable price in a long term.

Even if your stats are a bit faulty to start with, you still do not use a once off situation like this to determine the volatility of a specific coin. The volatility differ depending on the circumstances and if a specific coin is being pumped at the time when something bad happens, then it will take longer to show signs of volatility against other coins.

Despite that, I will not invest in coins that are being supported and controlled by large Banks.  >:(  <Just out of principle>  :P  Your attempt to shill for these Alt coins failed.  ;D

Altcoin indeed many experienced some development in recent years. thus generating more stability in the marketing of coins. This also happens at a lot of experienced Bitcoin stability. comparison of Altcoin and Altcoin, to the stability of the Bitcoin becomes more stable than Bitcoin for now.

How can centralisation or semi-centralization take over? The market value got nothing to do with Decentralization or Centralisation but based on the project itself and community back up.

Bitcoin volatility is very huge right from inception.

I also mentioned that bitcoin is losing more than other coins. But I think it may happen because btc is much more valuable and that's why it is happening.
Anyway it's not good at all and it seems that btc is not going to rise in nearest time. All we have to do is to wait...

For now, what you say is true, the price of Bitcoin has been reduced so high that it is even worse than other altcoins. Declining trust factors, panic and dumping actors are the main actors. I feel this situation is difficult to predict and we must try to be patient so that Bitcoin Prices can rise again.

at the end of the day even if shitcoins such as XRP remained 100% stable with no price change at all, that still wouldn't change a thing. they are still considered centralized shitcoins that people only buy whenever they are getting pumped.

additionally you should know that stable price in an altcoin means that altcoin is dead! because nobody no longer trades it. i can give you about 2 or 3 hundred examples of altcoins that have not moved at all in the past couple of months. they are worth pretty much the same as they have always been worth (1 satoshi and less). you can't call that "stable" you call it dead.

Guess you can only say this because the price of bitcoin is higher than that so the range of bitcoin is more complex than some altcoins. You cannot compare the bitcoin to other altcoin which has a price less than its half, it is way too far different to bitcoin. Just imagine if bitcoin declines up to 50% its price is still higher than altcoins decreasing price to 50%.

Ya, bitcoin have more volatile than alts, its because bitcoin is the key for alt movement, the whale make it for easy pump for alts I guess. You can see the chart every btc move, alts down also. And if btc stable alts goes growth.
I suggest for you guys who want to trade safe, just go buy USDT for stable coin, don't care about market crases and your fund still stay the same.

Well perhaps at times yes, but normally btc is more stable compared to how most alts fluctuate. Though it's given that news about bitcoin and it's reaction affects the whole market more than individual alts does, including eth and bch.

This is a comment, and I'm sure Bitcoin is never more stable than Altcoins. Following Ripple's statement that detachment from Bitcoin's influence demonstrated that Bitcoin could not affect them. In the future, Bitcoin will become increasingly unstable, and Altcoins will become more stable.

I think alhought by value it looks like that, you must also consider that he loss Bitcoin shows are just in contrast with its movement of rises and falls, especially considering its value. Unlike the altcoins that hold the second and third rank, their price points have a big discrepancy with Bitcoin, and so naturally, the percentage of what it can lose would also be smaller, which ultimately, would reflect a smaller percentage as compared to Bitcoin.

I think bitcoin stability instead of other altcoin. If bitcoin price going down then altcoins price going down also.

I think altcoin is not stable than bitcoin. bitcoin is best coin than altcoin always.

bitcoin is not a rival to altcoin, for the problem of bitcoin prices being higher and in a good position. so if bitcoin experiences a decrease in percentage, I think it's normal and looks bigger than altcoin.

I agree with you, a semi-centralization in crypto will be the next milestone of cryptocurrency.  Lots of decentralized project do harm to the investors as far as I can see.  And bitcoin i believe is actually moving to the semi-centralized one since it is needed to perform at its best which include regulations for client protection, and believe it or not, lots of altcoins had moved to semi-centralized since they had seen the flaw of a fully decentralized cryptocurrency.

Bitcoin Prices have been dipping for quite a while now, looking at the trends for a month or so one can easily notice the instability in this Cryptocurrency. Various Asian countries like China, India and others are creating government regulations to curb Bitcoin Investment which has been on a rise meteorically in these 2 Asian countries and suddenly the market has crushed causing a lot of fluctuation. And obviously if you compare it with other ALTS, you might find a more suitable option even though Bitcoins are still the best Cryptocurrency for better returns.

As bitcoin can bring more profit than altcoin, we must agree that bitcoin will go with high volatility. As a result, it is normal that bitcoin is less stable than some altcoin.

I think the recent movements on the market have shown that Bitcoin is more stable than alts. When there is a crash or market is going up, then usually Bitcoin is the one that is crashing less than others or gaining momentum slower than others. So, I would say that alts are less stable than Bitcoin.

Thinking, believing and hopping do not always reflect the truth. look at the charts.

This is an inaccurate comparison. Bitcoin is the currency that influences the Altcoins. Bitcoin is unstable at the moment but it is still the most reliable currency. Altcoins can die at any time, but for Bitcoin, people around the world want to own them, and their needs are not lacking.

yes its true some Alt coins are more stable than the bitcoin.

Well, there are some statements I strongly disagree with:

The first one: it's totally normal that there are some periods of bigger price changes and every coin/token will have them. To look at only one short timeframe and say this coin is less stable than another one makes no sense for me. Have a view for a longer period, the last 7 days are no reference at all.

I would avoid any comparison of BTC/ETH to XRP. XRP is highly hyped and there are many better ones. I don't know why XRP is so famous, maybe it's good misinformation of Ripple Labs to XRP holders to keep a lot of things unclear about XRP / Ripple Labs.
But yes, I really don't know why so many shitcoins have a value at all.

I don't think centralized shitcoins will overtake decentralized ones. Why should anyone support something that isn't beneficial for themselves...

It doesn't matter how stable altcoins are. Some are stable because nobody cares about them and people don't panic because they know they aren't holding much. If 1 BItcoin costs you 6000 USD you know it's a lot of value and you try to protect the money. 10% lost from 1 Bitcoin is a lot for most people.
If you hold a token worth 50c a piece and have 100 USd invested you don't care. Many people wouldn't even bother to log in and sell it if they saw it go down by 10%.

In believe that Bitcoin is not a stable coin and cannot be stable as speculated from different quarters on this forum but what we are experiencing today is as a result of a Bearish market and a fight against Bitcoin by Bitcoin cash harsh rate war. Bitcoin has no element of a table coin in itself, many altcoins at this bearish time experience a pump, so never conclude on Bitcoin to be stable than Altcoins.

I agree with you, XRP is an altcoin backed up by banks, every bank and financial industry that cooperates with XRP can make it create good stability.

within 3 years, XLM has a total market valuation of more than $ 4 billion. and XLM also has the same concept as XRP, which can facilitate multi-currency transactions

This is another great things happen into Ripple even the market experiencing dips. Not totally it is affected just because of the support coming from the community. As surpasses Eth it's gonna be an indication of its good trend in the the future.

You need some education about Crypto, BTC, Investment etc. badly! with such miss-conception, you won't survive in this crypto world or in any investment wold and you might seriously loose your everything! but it's not hard (the learning part). just spend some quality time reading, not writing.

The risk in investing in bitcoins seems high than other alternative currency, though bitcoins price movement determines the other directions in which major altcoins follows but the instability in bitcoins can't be compared to altcoins.

Every coin may have its own growth in the bulls market but when it comes the crash of BTC, altcoins bleeds the most.

Btc has always driven the entire market and in my opinion will continue to do so until is prevalent, in terms of volume, the Altcoin-Bitcoin exchange or until the bitcoin will be the main protagonist of the crypto world. The non-dependence to bitcoins has always been only temporary, for now

Bitcoin is still more stable than any other altcoins in the market. As we can see everytime bitcoin fall altcoins follow. We can say that altcoins are more stable if they will not drop everytime bitcoins drop.

bitcoin is  more stable than other ALT coin bitcoin has a more profit than other alt coin.

The altcoins could be easily agitated, but right now are learning times since the last bitcoin drop.

Bitcoin does have a better value, and many altcoins are starting to follow the movement of the bitcoin, the parenting coin gives a positive response and is able to provide an increase even if only a few percents, so it's good to be present for the market.

lately the value of bitcoin tends to be stable and persist in the range of $ 3000. when a lot of altcoins keep moving up or down, bitcoin is still very slow, and that certainly makes investors and hodlers a little hurt by this situation. but this is a good start to starting market movements next year.

There's really a big difference between pumps and taking over if they are really going to take over then their price will not get affected everytime Bitcoin drops, and the "pump" is continuous and it should not be fake volume not groups making a pump of those coins, but all the community will buy and hold that coin.

if I pay attention, bro. indeed the price of bitcoin has never been stable even now the price has dropped sharply. but there are some coins whose prices are more stable compared to the bitcon price

yes indeed that is always the case and we cannot avoid it, the price of bitcoin continues to change every minute even seconds because the activity on the market even for me applies to all altcoins.

It seems stable at this price because no dump happened yet and its a very strong support level as well. Nothing seems to be dumping but a small green wave is starting as well. This can be a bulltrap as well so better to not trade anything at the moment. This support level is going to be tested as well, probably very soon which more FUD being made in this forum is going to facilitate.

I dont think any big uptrend will come this year unless something totally miraculous happens and make the manipulation superficially obvious.

While most coins experience a dip when Bitcoin crashes or goes down, there are a few altcoins that showcase an upward trend. These cases are rare but not non-existence

it's true what you say, bitcoin is indeed more unstable than altcoins, some altcoins have volatility that is not too far away like bitcoin, but that's one of the characteristics of bitcoin that is favored by traders

I think you are right that its less stable than XRP and XLM on this period you mentioned .Bitcoin is the best coin .It is so potential and high volatile on the recent time .So that we are noticing some alt so stable but bitcoin will be stable  run on positive move.

xlm and xrp are more stable than bitcoin but bitcoin will still be the choice of many people, because bitcoin has its own charm and has not been replaced, xlm and xrp are only alternatives to bitcoin, it is in my opinion

just to notify you friend, you are calculating in a wrong way and with wrong sets of data.

Take note of these coins, not for the future purchase but to add to your shitcoins lists. Whenever bitcoin drops there are some coins whose names have never been heard of that show 100-500% gains which means that they have been manipulated and pumped by some group. Dont get tempted to buy them because the dump is coming soon and its going to be harder than the range of the pump.

Centralized coins like ripple are a different group of assets. They may be related to crypto but putting them in comparison with bitcoin kills the original idea. Crypto was supposed to be decentralized lets keep it that way.

We all know that bitcoin price is not stable, every second that counts the bitcoin price is always changing. And we don't know if that change will go up or down. Yes, some alts are changing thier price too but not like bitcoin that it is too fast on changing.

There are some alts that are more stable than BTC but the reason is that they don't have as many people holding them as BTC. BTC is the golden standard right now and has the dominant market share. On the general graphic, it's almost always more stable.

THis because bitcoin market price is greater than other altcoins as it consist to more than 50% of its market cap volume in the market. If many are selling their bitcoins then others are buying also. This is the scenario why bitcoin market price is more stable compared to the altcoins. However, not all altcoins are highly volatile because USDT is one of the crypto that is the most stable now even compared to bitcoin.

Actually no one can ensure that bitcoin moves slower or faster than altcoins. both of them are volatile and sometimes stable. so don't worry too much about this because altcoin can be more volatile or more stable. it all depends on the current market conditions right?

For today's prices, BTC has risen to the price of $ 4,124.76, and Alcoin has also increased, basically why BTC affects trading in the event that BTC is a partner for almost all altcoins

It could happen, I guess the altcoin price is still low, so there are many possibilities for every investor who believes in the altcoin so they will not hesitate to buy in large quantities. And also, pump and dump are still common because they are very easy to manipulate. Unlike Bitcoin, although with a very drastic price reduction, there will be a few people who actually buy a lot of bitcoin, even though they already know the potential of bitcoin itself.

look at the second history of the coins you mentioned, they still depend on the value of bitcoin so far, I think bitcoin is what determines the value of xrp and xlm, indeed in a matter of% they are not the same but the value of bitcoin is always in control

I do know that Bitcoin being the number one cryptocurrency doesn't mean it has to surpass all altcoins in every expect. Though the bitcoin dip took a downward toll an almost all the altcoins, the few that surged back have done this with a distinct significance. But it could still interpret to loss if converted to bitcoin or ethereum and left without being converted to the fiat value where it is more stabilized.

We cannot compare the stability of bitcoin by just taking temporary figures because today the situation that bitcoin has face is much worse than any other cryptocurrency in the world and even in those situation the way that bitcoin progressing is remarkable so even bitcoin drop is much worse than any other Altcoin in the crypto world it is negligible because like the huge drop when bitcoin starts to increase its price it can be much higher than any crypto 

Because the dominance of bitcoin in the crypto market is huge, it is reasonable if volume up and down is huge. do not compare with altcoin, they have a small volume.

Yeah maybe that is the difference. altcoin is easier to manipulate because of small marketcaps and volume. and bitcoin is more difficult to manipulate because the users are very large but the manipulation also does not guarantee that the altcoin price will remain stable or volatile right?

How possibe is it to generalised an issue based on such two 2 alt coins  which does not depicts a wholistic picture of the whole view ofthe things we see. We all aware of the control bitcoin directly or indirectly over the alts coins and that really gives fair idea of how alts coin are affected when btc falls. However that can not make it possible to render btc unstable  or less stable than alt coins.

as i know when the price of bitcoin dropping the other coin or alt coin price will be more stable in that time, but time by time the price of that alt will down and down, because of the altcoin price still depend on the bitcoin, so the bitcoin price will affect he altcoin price

yes I know that xlm and xrp are good projects, many people want to buy it when it's cheap that's the reason when the market is red some time ago the two coins can hold stronger than other coins like bitcoin and ethereum

Regardless of any statistics, bitcoin is the most stable crypto. No altcoin has stood the test of time compared to what bitcoin has been able to achieve in the world of cryptocurrencies. I believe people need to respect the pedigree of bitcoin since it surpasses most of the altcoins that we have around when it comes to stability.

At least some people in this forum still have their brains intact.

Obviously any altcoin has a lower volume than bitcoin compared. It is easier to manipulate the price of some never-heard-of-it shitcoin and make its price 400% gains to attract gullible traders attraction. They are going to jump into the fray thinking its going up even more only to be dumped on by the whales who were manipulating the market.

It saddens me to see that these basic concepts of the market are still not clear to many people in this forum.

Volatility is generated by the amount of people owning, using, trading bitcoin.

If we compare with any other ALTs, there no such crypto that have comparable adoption and usage, so it's technically more stable and if you follow the market, you will notice that about 80% of the times, ALTs follow the BTC prices

XRP and XLM is good coin and having big market cap. Its mean their community very big and i think both coin will survive for long time. In 2018, most coin drop the price againts USD more than 90% including XRP and XLM or bitcoin. If we want trade, i think better using bitcoin because bitcoin is main cryptocurrency in market

Your observation is right but that will never be accepted as the final position because the crypto market is never stable. Yes for some few weeks now XRP has overtaken ethereum but I believe it is for a brief period because the hard fork of ether that will be coming on at about early part of 2019 and this will highly impact on ether price and movement. I forsee ether overcoming the challenges XRP and regain her position.                                                                                                                                       

The btc drop might be big and alts small but I must tell you that the price of all alts will follow the btc dip in dollars value and that is why btc rule in the crypto as it is the back bone of the crypto which has a very strong reputation and that is why every one respect the btc, if btc pump and alts dip the fact that it increase it value will also add dollars value to the alts .

Even though crypto centralized or semi-centralized are in the top 10 positions, they will not be able to take over bitcoin. In fact, in my opinion, those who keep the centralized and semi-centralized coins will trade for bitcoin.

Bitcoin is the value of this currency which is famous for being very volatile. In early January 2013, for example, Bitcoin was valued at 13 US dollars per chip (1 BTC). That number skyrocketed to more than 1,100 US dollars per chip in the same year, then it was cut to only half (around 500 US dollars), just a few hours after the ban on Bitcoin transactions in China.

Of course, there are a sufficient number of coins that are developing quite dynamically. But this does not mean that they are better than bitcoin. I still continue to believe only in him, and it is in him to see the brightest prospects and implementation as a currency in the future.

Nevertheless, bitcoin continues to be the leader among all cryptocurrencies for 10 years, and so far none of them can overtake it. I don't think any of the coins can do that.

Bitcoin is less stable than some alternative coins because its volatility is retained by the market traders. Due to the above volatility
day traders are making money for its every market  move whether it is upward or downward..Bitcoin is the first crypto currency started in the year 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto. Bitcoins price has started from zero  and its price has moved up to 20 K on last December 2017 and later its price has come down to +3K on the bearish move .But I can say that bitcoins price is stable and it is well above 3K .Bitcoin is digital currency and which is turned as a new form of economy , can be operated wold wide.It is decentralized one with anonymity. All transaction are recorded in an electronic ledger with block chain technology.The block chain technology is ensuring the security and clarity of the system. Mean time some alt coins are also performing well in the market and showing its price stable than bitcoin

We cannot judge a performance based on a 7 days result it's too early to tell, we are in a bear market remember so it's anything goes here, I will believe if Bitcoin is dropping and that two tokens you mentioned are climbing, but that's not what happening.

They may just baghold their other coins and not trade for bitcoin as well. They did get into some centralized coins because they believe in its success. Just like people believe in the future of bitcoin many people believe in the future for altcoins. They are firm to their belief and we are firm to ours. Nothing hard and fast here just personal opinion.

Sufficient number of coins are doing badly and are struggling to keep up with development marketing and application. Bitcoin does not even need any of this.

That was a momentary situation coins can vary in there dip at various time that doesn't mean bitcoin is less stable than the above altcoins you mentioned besides bitcoin experiences the most volatility

Bitcoin cannot be more stable than every single altcoin in different periods of time. Usually when market is bearish Bitcoin is more stable than majority of the altcoins, so it could be a good option to hold.

During bullish periods there are altcoins that can grow higher than btc. (as %)

I think Bitcoin is more stable than other coin, if there is other coin than more stable than Bitcoin is the usdt, other than that it's a dead coin, the one that makes Bitcoin more stable is because there are numerous of supply and demand for the coin,while alt most of the time only used for pumping and dumping

Bitcoin cannot be compared with any of the existing cryptocurrencies. That is true. As for some stability, here, BTC dominance is stable. The prices of all cryptos are very volatile.

BTC can not be less stable than the all the other outcomes when it is a base for all the rest. Everything that is happening to BTC has a huge impact on the rest of the market, it is inevitable.

Go have a look on arbitraging this token has survived the best in this severe market condition. One day back it was trading at 11$, few days back price for one arbitraging tokrn is 3$ so my vote is arb and loc because these both survive in these harsh market situations.

Bitcoin cannot be compared with other coins. Bitcoin Rank No:1 in the crypto world and the value and Dominance of BTC is in good numbers which cannot be the same for other altcoins. Due to some fiat money we cannot measure btc with other Altcoin. Bitcoin will be the top in the crypto market and lead the growth of digital currency system.

The problem in your argument is you are comparing the 2 most successful alts on bitcoin. You are comparing bitcoin with the alpha of its other category which is alts. We have a thousand number of alts and you are generalizing that alts are more stable at bitcoin. You can see even only at top 10 that alts have more problems than bitcoin and that makes your argument invalid.

I don't think bitcoin is less stable than the altcoin because you know when bitcoin price gets the dump, the price will going to the lower price, and we already see that before. But if we talk about the stable coins in the market, maybe you can check on usdt, usdc, paxos, tusd. From $1, if the price is down, the price will not go too far, and it will back to $1 again.

domination only grows in XRP, ETH and BCH https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage

I totally agree that bitcoin can be less stable than other coins, the crypto market is control by supply and demand and i am sure that as time goes by more and more people will see the value in other coins and not bitcoin only.

bitcoin is less stable because it is a high volatile type of crypto while other coins like alts are not .  when it comes to demand . altcoin were also indemand but still they are still more stable than btc .

Overall ,  btc is better this way because we can possibly earn huge profits due to the effect of volatility . not to mention that we can also loose more that we can earn  but that is up to you on how you manage you coins .

Not just because those two mentioned altcoins falls smaller percentage than bitcoin meaning bitcoin is less stable,sometimes its just happen that some manipulators vested money on some alts just to pump and victimized other investors before the decide to dump ,so never rely on just a weekly movements instead always check the market capitalization

Yes Bitcoin is less stable than others. So people like Bitcoin more. Due to the very unstable, people get good profit in Bitcoin. So being volatile is a good thing for Bitcoin.

Any of the tokens at a certain moment has some positive news affecting its price. Therefore, it happens that the entire market is in the blood and a few tokens grow. There is nothing surprising. Today ripple fell more than bitcoin, and tomorrow everything will be the opposite-it's the market.

Its not like how you are thinking actually xrp and xlm had their bad times too and they were very volatile at those times. And now btc is facing the heat and being volatile due to a lot of manipulation and many other reasons.

But yes if you consider the shorter time frame then these coins are quite stable as compared to market dump.

Human brains work in strange fashion. A few days ago when bitcoin prices were stable at 6k people were complaining that it was "too stable" and that market was not worth putting money in. Now when there has been a down trend and a correction upto 4k people are complaining it to be "too unstable". Humans are never happy with anything - you give them A they ask for B and vice-versa ;D

If we do check price charts compared with last year there has been a drop but not leaps and drops so I would say it has been a simple bearish trend and not volatile.

Bitcoin still better coin than any other coins. Bitcoin is leading many altcoins. So it is the boss of crypto currency market. Day by day the popularity of Bitcoin also increasing. Bitcoin has enough value and potential.

Some alternative cryptocurrencies may not fall as much in price as Bitcoin during problems in the market. But at the same time, they are not so valuable, people do not invest so much money in them, and therefore the negative impact may not be so strong.

 Everyone has its own opinion on what to become on Bitcoin and the  future of crypto market. I am sorry but i don't agree with the above question as posted. Bitcoin still remains the most trusted crypto in the market. Market price may goes ups and down beacuse of a lot issues confronting Bitcoin, the issue on Scammer, Hackers, and the never ending issue on Regulation. All of this negative indicators take the price of Bitcoin down. But even with this happining in the crypto market, it is the most trusted coin in the market.

Bitcoin is very volatile by the nature and that is nothing to be surprised of. Comparison with other altcoins isn't very appropriate and volatility is not the only feature that should be measured when estimating the value and success of some coins.
No matter the high volatility and some issues that Bitcoin has, to my opinion there is no other coin that could be true challenge to Bitcoin or some that could achieve its success any time soon and take its place.

Yeah, very volatile and yet its more profitable compare to other altcoins. I think the reason why some altcoins are more stable is that, there is no demand on that coin at all and the hodlers can’t sell higher that’s why they have no choice but to hold. Bitcoin is a big thing, this is the father of all and the success of bitcoin is also the success of all altcoins.

it could be like that, maybe this is a tough year for bitcoin. but my belief is still the same, bitcoin will experience good value again. so does altcoin. all will experience fluctuations

The position of bitcoin is said to be less stable because it fluctuates with market conditions not with ALT and also some bitcoin investors have full confidence in bitcoin compared to some ALTs and that is very stressful

XRP and XLM are altc that continue to improve with the development that continues to be made, I personally have long felt that XLM is a coin that has very good potential in the future that we initially knew them with stellar coins. So by being able to survive the two coins behind the fall in the price of bitcoin, I do believe it, but still the value of bitcoin will not be exceeded by the two coins even though they are more stable.

Bitcoin affects the value of other coins and usually the first one changes so that Bitcoin always looks up and down, while Altcoin has a longer change because it is influenced by Bitcoin because sometimes sometimes before altcoin goes up or down, Bitcoin has undergone some changes and it makes Bitcoin look more unstable.

I have no concern about bitcoin, even though the condition of bitcoin is not stable but bitcoin is more likely to survive and have a better chance of growth in value.

And don't you know that investing only in bitcoin is not a competent management of the investment portfolio and every self - respecting investor always divides his Deposit into bitcoin and 50% of savings in altcoins. 8)

Bitcoin seems like it is more stable because it takes time before it become profitable unlike alts that is only for short term where you can get high profit but it is not exist that long because at times that it is very down, we do not see any recovery from it. Bitcoin no matter how far it fall, we are gaining an opportunity from it to invest because it has recovery even for long time

Bitcoin has survived this long it only shows the faith that people have in it and its power to survive in dire situations. Users trying to fork bitcoin into shitcoins never really did good in the economy and those who have tried to copy the concept into making another bitcoin failed to do so. All these should spark hope in the minds of the common people who are eager to know about it or are bag-holding tons of bitcoin for future moon.

You are not aware of the truth mate. The amount of altcoin diversification that you want is obviously your own personal decision but to keep your portfolio worth your time and money better to keep alts at the least possible amount.

Yes it is,we can get this from the bitcoin dominance level increase too,Now more people keep shifting from their alts to bitcoin and starts to holding it but there are some people who uses this opportunity to make some quick bucks which causes the other people to lose their capital so everyone need to hold if they want the prices to go higher.

yes its true and i agree on the both of you  . btc indeed is stable because the value is stock up on 3000 usd this year while last year the value is also stranded on 8k to 7k levels   .   about altcoins , not all alts were stable because the altcoin is not a single crypto but rather it consist of different set of coins  . erc20 tokens is another type of altcoins under the etherium platform   .  all of them has a different value depending on thier demand and supply  .

Bitcoins price movements are generally slower as compare to the altcoins. The reason for this is that bitcoin marketcap is much larger than any of the alt and it is not easy to manipulate the bitcoins easily as compare to alts which are low in volume.

I find it quicker though. Exactly the reason why most traders like to trade BTC too because its easy to profit with a good timing. I don't think you can manipulate prices by yourself. If in a day the price hit up to 2%, its a spike and you might wanna sell and wait for the price to dip again.

I think that altcoins are a big force and in the future Bitcoin will have less and less influence on the market. I believe that in the future altcoins will be able to develop regardless of the situation with Bitcoin.

Cryptocurrencies cannot be stable ever. Their prices always depend on the demand and supply. The high volatility is their main characteristic. Additionally, altcoins always follow Bitcoin.

I also have the same opinion as you, and I think it is clear that XLM and XRP are crypto that will give a surprise in the future

Said like a proper shitcoin maximalist. I wonder which coins you are bagholding and how much of the koolaid you have been drinking so that they could brainwash you to this extent. ::)

"Forks" of some system does not go far. Bitcoin has in several times proven its worth and its properties of censorship resistance, universality  and immutability. It will always be above the altcoins no matter what happens in future.

People of the bitcoin forum need to start studying the bitcoin whitepaper more often than listening to fabricated lies of altcoin "devs".

This is not true. Bitcoin is more stable than most altcoins. When the market is in a long-term bear market, Bitcoin's decline is much smaller than that of altcoins. You can check that the market has found that most altcoins have lost more than 90% of the value.
If we check the earlier market, you will find that the current price of Bitcoin is still much higher than the price a few years ago, but altcoins are not necessarily, many are dead.

I  do not think so that  Bitcoin is less stable than some ALTs. It is true that sometimes bitcoin price increases or decrease more than other coins but you can not say Bitcoin is less stable than some ALTs. Most of the altcoins are affected by bitcoin. Bitcoin is the only coin that is most trusted and stable from other altcoins.

Ripple tomorrow or the day after tomorrow will fall again to third place now Ethereum has more growth opportunities than Ripple. On account of bitcoin you noticed correctly)

I admit, the magnitude of the decrease that occurs in BTC is the biggest compared to other cryptocurrencies, but if you only rely on such calculations, I think that is the wrong method. Why did I say that?, because the growth rates of BTC, XRP, and XLM were never stable or the same as the previous days. IMO, everything that happens in the market's only temporary, nothing's eternal. BTW, how long have you been analyzing?

A coin maybe most stable when there are no or almost completely no usage at all. The prices will stick to the bottom for which I think those percentage might have shown though not totally. But bitcoin is a coin that is used by many, so I think those changes we see are the result of people trading their coins. The stability of prices on XRP could be due to the number of coins they released each month. I think it keeps the price stable relative to its volume.

Bitcoin does have a fluctuating journey that continues and fluctuates, this gives many different requests and offers that will continue to change. Altcoin may have many relatively stable values because enthusiasts still take into account every move.

I think some Alts drop the price too and many good alts drop the price more than 80%. I think its the same with bitcoin because as main currency in cryptomarket, its affecting to most altcoin price in market.

I think you Bitcoin is more stable than any other altcoin. Look at the Bitcoin volatility index to make sense of it as how volatility has reduced over the years. Check the charts here https://bitvol.info/

Bitcoin are like the rest of altcoins. They all not too stable and can be say nothing was so stable in cryptocurrency aa their price depend on buyer more then seller. Where no buyer so their will be more seller and the price will go down. Simple as that.

it is true for now that bitcoin is being unstable compared to Altcoin, which is starting to be used in 2017, rather than with bitcoin, which has long been one of the first electronic money. You can say this altcoin is increasing compared to bitcoin.

we cant figure out the stable price of bitcoin and alt coins because there is always ups and down in market.
the price will drops in both bitcoin and other alt coins.

It's just a matter of time and situation, in fact no one can predict when a crypto currency will be stable or not, all have their own time and situation when they will be stable and not

Maybe bitcoin is the only one coin have potential and always growing up, you can start investment at bitcoin because daily day you can get profit and change price of bitcoin.

In the short term, alt is more stable than bitcoin, but in the long term, bitcoin has better stability and will survive, because it becomes the main coin and is more in demand.

I think choosing only 2 alts to compare to bitcoin wouldn't give a much accurate comparison. There are a lot of other altcoins out there who couldn't even survive the severe bear market and they are dead now. I still think altcoins are more volatile than bitcoin.

Alts are always stable whether for short or long term but in some instances alts follow on what is the movement of btc therfor we can sometimes say that alts are unstable if btc is also unstable  but the occurence can happen rarely  .


If bitcoin is indemand do you think it is stable ? I guess it isnt because the price can oftenly rise from time to time if many people buys or invest on it .  


But even altcoins do also fluctuates because it is still part of a crypto and cryptocurrencies are known to be volatile compare to other currencies .

It seems that bitcoin has stability in the long run, and every move always affects the altcoin. The movements that occur are not too sharp and tend to be slow but sure. The beginning of the year will be a better movement and can increase the confidence of enthusiasts returning to crypto.

You are right. Some altcoins have no volatility because nobody is trading them. You can find many altcoins with very low volume and price traded on some manipulative exchanges like yobit and compare them to Bitcoin to prove a point. It won't mean anything. In general altcoins are more volatile than Bitcoin because they depend on Bitcoin and on themselves. Exceptions can always be found but they don't disprove the general rule.

I always think about XLM and I always believe that coins will remain strong even though BTC prices are down and so far I always buy XLM from the money I get from work and I will hold it until the coin price is at the highest rate, because the development of XLM is also very good and many agents have received coins so that XLM is worthy of being a long-term investment.

Definitely your are perfectly correct mate all altcoin are affected if bitcoin goes lower their value, unfortunately bitcoin fluctuations as of now are stay in good not waving huge percentage up and down.

True coin XLM does have potential, we also know that bitcoin has been able to compete and prove that the price of bitcoin is consistently top on the market. it's up to you to put your capital anywhere, most importantly you are able to deal with the risks that will come and I prefer to invest in Bitcoin.

The point is that bitcoin can be more volatile or can be more stable depending on market conditions, including buyers and sellers. so it's not always true if the altcoin is more volatile, sometimes bitcoin is very fast moving, while Ethereum is slower. it's only about market conditions in one coin

I never think that Alts is more stable than Bitcoin. In my opinion, Alts is always on the edge of the cliff. Every day we notice that many Alts are dying. We will always selectively focus on those Alts that have a huge increase, more Alts actually are dead, but we ignored them.

In the past bitcoin was highly volatile because of the ways newbies rushed into it but now it becoming more stable than before and not because it is good than other coins but because it is more popular than others coins and that is why professionals prefer it to others coins.  I also believe that we should look at bitcoin as a currency and currency need to be stable in price before people can used it.

Bitcoin is still stable inspite of the dump. Yes it still continuing to go down but its exiatence will last long enough that people and all nation will use it legally as a modern digital currency. Market drop is natural and i know that we all know that. If the price will start to increase this year, im sure people who talked negative on it will become their reverse.

Don’t worry this is not Permanent but it is just a temporary stability because we know that it is nature of bitcoin that it often increased and decreases but no worries soon everything will be fine. People enters the market so they mostly ask about bitcoin than other Alt coins so that's the reason more investments makes the price changes.

Stable after the dump is correct. Daily swings are between 1% and this would be correctly called a new support level at 4000$ trying to drive the price above this mark but some resistance is there above 4000$ which keeps it from rising further.

Good to see the forum members still bullish on bitcoin. Lets hope for the best. :D

It is true that what is being lost is the dollar price of the asset and not money directly.

Their negative propaganda is  to instill fear in the hearts of traders so that they start selling and they can catch the dump.

It's emphatically false as most altcoins seems to be in tandem with bitcoin and they do rise and fall together and at almost the same rate so i don't agree that bitcoin is any less stable than the altcoins.They are just the same unless a few altcoins that are being pumped here and there by their developers.

No coins is to be stable, is it stable at one price and never goes up or down. No, the price should be fluctuating (increase and decrease) tyats6what we called trading market. Moreover, I will like to say that, a fall or increase in the price of bitcoin will definitely affect the price of other altcoins as well.

I know that it is hard to invest on some of the altcoins right now but you should try it.

Investing your money also means that you are risking your money. Not in the way that it is the same with gambling, no it is different with gambling. I am just saying that every investment that you will be doing can't be a certain profit for you. That is the reason you should not always stick at something you know, you should learn some things based on the things that you did not know. It is an experience for you.

Cryptocurrencies are not stable so we cannot comparing the stability between one cryptocurrency to other so my opinion is if Bitcoin is less stability then people will adopt to the situation then it will be easily managed by them so Bitcoin is less stable but it has more power.

Kind of an unusual situation, I am not sure it works for long except for XRP will historically is very stable (due to its large circulating supply making it difficult for price to change dramatically).

The main point here is that bitcoin can be more volatile and stable in price depending on market situation or trend including the bitcoin demand and supply so it's not always a real fact if we said the altcoin is more volatile compare to bitcoin sometimes bitcoin experience a very fast or higher moving while compare with other coin such as Ethereum which can be slower or decrease . it's only determined by market conditions or trend in that coin.

I think that discussing the crypto market we should not overstated stability. Stability is good in other markets, but few in the crypto market rely on stability. I would even say that the opposite is true; many rely on its instability, as this brings the main income.
I consider it altogether senseless to compare altcoins with bitcoins. Comparison of altcoins with each other is still valid, but Bitcoin...
Yes, different currencies, at different times, behave differently regarding  Bitcoin. But Bitcoin is Bitcoin, the main manipulations on the market occur precisely with this coin, so it will have distinctive exchange fluctuations from fluctuations of the altcoin rate.
Regarding centralized currencies, and more precisely ripple, I would like to note that this coin is really excellent. It is already used by many banks and in time, even more banks will begin to use it.

I see that decentralization is what people like and that will not be taken over by the centralized-semi centralized coins. Bitcoin being as less stable in your thought can't be replace if you have that type of thinking with it. After we saw XRP got replaced by ethereum to their very own title of number two, each of their market cap is starting to get from each other. I really don't think that bitcoin will be get out and pulled out of its rank so fast and easy.

I know that all of the cryptocurrencies are volatile. Nevertheless, I also see that Bitcoin shows better stability than most of the altcoins. Therefore, most investors trust this crypto.

As of now Bitcoin is less than stable than some top contender Altcoins, however it will not end here. let's hope that in this coming weeks the Table will turn just like the other months of positive hypes. all we can do now is pray for bitcoin to emerge again and claim the highest percentage for prize increase.

Bitcoin is more than just about the price in USD terms. Its stability should be measured more broadly than that. But even if that is all you care about BTC moves slower than the others who have much less marketcap, and things like ripple are just some corporate centralized pre-mined coin, and have very little in common with Bitcoin. 

Any token or coin that goes through regulations and become centralized will have the backing of the government and have legal jurisdiction and if it serve real time usage then it will succeede why the price of bitcoin is always unpredictable is because of it decentralized nature which always leads to weak confidence in the sight of investors.

Yes i agree because that is also i notice everytime i checked the prices of my coins  . i  see that alts and tokens do fluctuate oftenly in a high volume while btc only moves in a light manner  .


That depends on the amount you buy  . if you buy equal amount of btc and xrp  , you will loose more btc if they both have drop because btc is more expensive than xrp  .

You are right mate,the comparison is stupid and nonsense because the market capitalization is not even close for the investors to move either growth or fall so i think theres no reason for this to be compared


Ofcourse we must spare the shitcoins as the future is not destined for them,only for the legit is our trust must deserve so lets wait until the market fully recovered

Colleagues, stop talking about demand, profitability, methods of application. After all, for the growth of prices it is not necessary

All markets are solid manipulation and draining of money from the players. Do you really think that the crypt is not like this and is growing due to some demand or news there?

 

All this growth - MANIPULATION. After all, over the past year, the cue ball became more popular, etc. and etc., but the price has slipped

 

The next growth will be when fat uncles need it

 

Everything written above is my IMHO. If you have arguments against. Write. I will be very happy to support a reasoned discussion.

Why are you comparing Bitcoin into altcoins which is XRP and XLM those two alts as far as I know are both categorize in based centralization therefore bitcoin has a big different with it. And you are deceiving others here in the forum and besides for what you are telling here is not valid instead it is very irrational, where did you get that information are you saying that those 2 alts are both stable than bitcoin, oh come on!

SO TRUE!!! altcoins price are depending on bitcoin price in USD.
If BTC drops then their USD value drops also unless they get more BTC value in the market.

We are talking about the general "stability" of altcoins and not exactly one specific coin. Yes it does hurt to see a centralized shitcoin like ripple take over ethereum even though ethereum's basis is also flawed. What people lose when price drops is the dollar value or fiat based value of the asset and not any money directly. This shows the amount that you would be getting back if you decided to sell all at that price, but you are not selling right away at a loss obviously if you are wise enough.

This again does not mean that altcoins will not be manipulated. They need to be pumped so as to create some demand and supply dis-balance in order to let the whales take over. ;D

In my opinion, this is not strange, because bitcoin has the highest value and its decline is noticeably seen from other crypto currencies. This instability among coins is most likely to be at the expense of bitcoin, I admire that some less important and less popular coins have been raised on the basis of the fall of larger coins, we will see how the situation will continue.

I disagree. Looking at the chart you can see lots of alts are stable compared to BTC and most of them follow the same pattern. A few of them are dumped harder.

That's the sad truth about alts. Some of them propose something different but the vast majority is just a pupeet of BTC. BTC goes up so does the alt. BTC goes down, so does the alt.

Most of the time I only see the price chart of the bitcoin to see what is actually happening in the cryotocurrency market and it works too.This shows people highly depends on the price of bitcoin for trading and investing but I think this needs to be changed if we want bitcoin to be used for what its meant for.

Bitcoin is able to surprise both ways, besides, not all ICOs and other scam have died from hunger, and they collected bitcoins from suckers and do not appreciate them, they sell a lot and easily, so everything is possible, but not for long. Their appetites are brutal and most of them even a growing market will not save, all the same, they will die and die from exhaustion.
Actually this is one of the main drivers of the fall, it was not necessary to invest money in ICO and altcoins, they spend your bitcoins on "whores, cocaine and worthless developers"
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So far I have taken a wait-and-see position, I almost do not trade, I travel around the country and the world, I follow the crypt in the floor of my eye, waiting for the cleansing of the market to take place naturally.

I think what the OP was saying is that within a seven day timeframe the price of bitcoin dropped by more than two other coins in percentage terms. I don't believe any comparison was being made with other coins or longer timeframes.

Bitcoin is more stable than other coins but less stable than USDT. The USDT crypto has just followed the market price for US Dollars. Besides the USDT crypto was design as an replacement for US dollars when using crypto as a means of payment and as a means of receiving money from the payment.

Altcoins could move faster this because a lot of users in the community believe in the project so they keep buying on the coin and consider as an asset like bitcoin. 

What you showed means absolutely nothing. If you take a particular day and a few coins, you can bring dozens of similar cases with other coins. This, incidentally, was recently with ethereum, and many recently paid attention to the sharp growth of this coin compared to bitcoin. To assert this, a longer period of research is needed, otherwise it may just be an accident. Sometimes coins and tokens simply do not have time to quickly respond to rapid price changes in the market.

I think Bitcoin is more stable than altcoins. Therefore, many traders prefer to trade Bitcoin. In the bear market, Bitcoin is the most stable cryptocurrency.

I don't definitely think at anytime Bitcoin is not a stable currency but some of the other currencies are not stable as like Bitcoin but comparing other altcoin with Bitcoin will not be a right thing if Bitcoin will not be here then the other cryptocurrency or not definitely a worthless currency.

All coins have different properties, depending on market conditions. Bitcoin at the moment becomes the most stable coin, but at other times it can be a more stable altcoin.
So in my opinion the market response will determine the stability of the price of a coin.

It is unstable a bit and that is due to the rapid change of demand that it gets from investors and traders and this situation is fuel by media and some governments in the world by spreading false information which makes investors and holders to panic regarding bitcoin and that is the main reason a situations like you have mentioned are happening all the time but I hope this will change in the future for a smooth continuation of bitcoin

Bitcoin is always king and will grow more,Having bright future.

Will people think Bitcoin is not stable like some of the best altcoin it will be the right but but when comparing to Bitcoin they are not valuable like we are thinking so it can be easily not accepted by any people we need to think more deserving title for Bitcoin.

Altcoins follows the trend of bitcoin but I think bitcoin is really not that stable and its highly volatile because
Most of the investors are with bitcoin, playing and earning a lot of money through their strategies. We can use this volatility to gain more profit, so knoe how to do that.

Many altcoin drops when bitcoin also drop. They are following the value movement of bitcoin but ofcourse bitcoin is less than stable that altcoins because that is bitcoins nature,volatility and not become stable to make people gain more profit.

XRP have big and solid community and they maintain XRP price stable. Maybe its because XRP daily transaction volume very big and its true that XRP is good coin and having potential to be biggest market cap value after replace ethereum place as second biggest market cap coin

That is really true that there are some altcoins that are also rising to the top like this XRP, but when stability are been ask for coins ,bitcoin are still the stable coin at this moment , so we just still support altcoins and bitcoin and the entire cryptocurrency.

That is just normal, Bitcoin is not the only cryptocurrency rising in the market.

There are a lot of investors in the entire world and it is obvious that they will not only invest on Bitcoin, they will also invest and find other cryptos they think have a high chance of giving them a profit. In the past Ethereum is making a lot of progress but then it also fell down in the first months of 2018, that just proves that Bitcoin is not the only one.

You can't really compare alternative cryptocurrencies to Bitcoin in any way. Bitcoin is many times bigger than all other cryptocurrencies so it is just natural that it becomes less stable. Imagine how unstable would those other cryptos would be if they reached Bitcoins height in price and amount of users.

indeed the current situation is like this, because negative things are happening to bitcoin. so it's natural that at this time bitcoin experienced a decline, because negative news was difficult to avoid. we better just fight for the future, and be sure that bitcoin will soon change at any time. so if you look at the price of bitcoin do not compare to altcoin, it is certainly different.

That was just a sudden pump for those altcoins! Bitcoin can't do well every time, sometime altcoins can overcome Bitcoin's stability if they have new and good news! Like those altcoins had some positive news in November that's why the price was increased! Exchange News, or main net or product launch news always helped altcoins to become high and stable!

I think that in general, altcoins are more unstable than Bitcoin. Of course, if we rip out of context, we can get other results, but this will be a manipulation of results. Yes, and concluding that Bitcoin is less stable than altcoins on the grounds that, according to your calculations, 2 coins out of 10 showed a smaller failure in price for the chosen period of time, at least unfair.
For your output will require more extensive searches. For example, you can take exactly one year (for example, the whole 2018) and analyze all crypto currencies. Then compare how many percent they all lost in value for this year. And on the basis of this, it will be possible to conclude that bitcoin or altcoins are less stable. I think the result of this research will quickly convince you that you are wrong.

yes, I agree with this statement. some altcoins do look quite stable over a period of time. maybe a small example is XRP. well, maybe a lot of other coins also have the same stability. but, after all, all crypto prices are always based on the stability of bitcoin prices.

You can find with another low coin price like BCN, SC, and other old coins too. Bitcoin looks like on the stable right now, but altcoin was trying to give a movement and altcoin is searching a good moment to start the rally. I think bitcoin is less stable because there is more negative news about bitcoin and we don't know which is the truth and makes some people afraid to hold bitcoin for a longer time.

There is no altcoin that has the demand level like bitcoin and also when considering other factors like popularity, value, restrictions and regulations from out side world so that is why I too believe like many have mentioned in this thread it is not reasonable to compare some new introduced altcoin's with bitcoin but I agree that bitcoin itself is very volatile but it is a fact that can change in the future with proper expansion among businesses and users

The truth is that altcoins are more unstable than bitcoins. Therefore, I think your conclusion is wrong. pooya87 have already indicated an error in your calculations, which only proves once again the incorrectness of your statement.
And the analysis itself should be done in a different way. In my opinion, you need to take a longer period of time, which will be evaluated. To draw conclusions only by one day is wrong.

Yes indeed. The higher the price of a coin, the greater its price volatility will be in numerical values. It is also one of the serious constraints due to which one can hardly expect very high price values of Bitcoin. The period of uncontrolled and rapid growth in the price of cryptocurrency is over. Investors and cryptocurrency holders saw the consequences of the rapid rise in cryptocurrency prices. The next time they will not miss the opportunity to sell at a profit, and therefore the price will fall.

Why Bitcoin is not stable because of the new art kinds had some responds but the altcoins has huge response in it and people will not in stable mind this will be the reason for and stability in Bitcoin if people is stable than Bitcoin is also stable.

Bitcoin is the mother of cryptocurrency so every coin depends on the bitcoin market. Yes, sometime BTC market down huge more than altcoin but it does not mean that all altcoin down same %. When btc down so huge altcoin must be down and i am sure that some altcoin maybe out on exchanger and there trade volume going to 0.000. We cannot think that only eth,waves,xrp is the only altcoin because there have lot of altcoin on crypto market.

Everything in crypto are unstable and yet it is quite to see the market behave that way cause it really give us chance to make gains everyday. Since from the start, we've been like this and its getting more volatile when there is a huge market demand. It gonna be like this forever if there is no regulations imposed