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It is to sad when you see one rule in the bounty campaign stated that campain rule are subject to change, as result this rule allow  to change any rule as token team wish.
So i give a call for all lets united and not participate in any campaign this rule is thier.
When they start the project the team take time to give good proposal to the project but when it come to bounty thet just post a bounty rules without review and by end the post this rule.
No and no let them take time to put the rules they need but when bounty posted and bounty hunters do the job this is the end no rule change.
Insted we need the rule stated that
Bounty rules are not subject to be change.
Lets unite and be strong.

I call for not participating in any campaign if thier is no rule stated that: Bounty rules are not subject to be change.
Lets unite and be strong.

Well for hunters to protest on this is kinda difficult.  If the rules didn't suit you you don't join the campaign. This is a difficult task to embark on

You are right if rules didn't suit i will not join
But if all do that it is a protest we can all do it

For a space that's highly unregulated, it's gonna be difficult to form any kind of alliance to fight against bounty managers/teams for changing the rules midway or at the end of the campaign. The best you can do for yourself is to be very circumspect in your choice of bounties and decide whether the rules suit you or not.

when the rules has been changed not about payment (example first the pool for bounty campaign is 25% and its changed to 10%) its no problem to me, because when he say in the bounty campaign stated that campain rule are subject to change, we must accepted when we want join in the campaign

For me, its ok. Because we are only bounty hunters and they are project owners means we need to respect their rules. If they need to change their rules we need to understand it because if not, the project owner will kick us or they will skip us on their campaign. We can see who are the loyal bounty hunters when they change their rules. If some hunters not accepted on the new rules it means they need to improve the requirements needed to be accepted again.

There are a lot of bounty campaign if you don't like the bounty manager rules and terms, then move on to a better manager, it's still bounty hunter's preferences if they want to join one particular campaign, with so many bounty hunters here I don't think you can unite them all everyone here are up for profit and free coins.

That is why you are advised to read all the contents in bounty campaign thread to make you understand the rules, it is your decision to push through or not.

For bounty manager that want to cheat, all we have to do is to report them to the Bitcoin moderators  in charge of the bounty platform and to avoid a waste of your time on such bounty ensure you research about the manager and the project.

Come on bro, since when the rules are not subject to change ? whenever you go, Rules are subject to change no exception because rules are exist to help and to re-organize people. if the rules are set to stone and if it can not be changed, there will be no improvement.
and do not forget that they are not asking you to join them but instead you are willing and asking to join and work for them.

Decide the kind of bounty to participate has nothing to do with this situation on ground , the team decide even if all went well at last , all I see I that they have that cheating bounty hunters in mind and nothing more that is why it has nothing to do with kind of bounty as you will never know their inner act until the final day .

Just like FINANCEX which stated in the rules that 8.5m is the reward for bounty and the bounty runs for 8weeks , then they change the reward after the bounty end from 8.5 to 500k could you imagine such act after the end of the bounty and not said the 8m will be reward to those that chat in their group for remaining 7weeks to the end of the year , can you imagine such , is that not a wickedness.

A change of rule for not paying is reprehensible.
A change of rule to adapt to the community is normal.
It's up to the bounty hunters to adapt.
You are not bound by any contract (except moral) you are free to leave the project as you wish.

How long have you been doing bounty? Probably less than a year.
The answer to your call is simple: if you do not want it, do not participate in the campaign. The organizers have the right to establish those rules that are beneficial to them. And they can change them at their discretion. When you start participating in a bounty campaign, it means that you accept this reality.
If you want other conditions, try to conclude a separate contract with the campaign organizers.

I think in my own opinion, you can't just do that because when we find a good project even if there is a rule like that i will still be joining that bounty. But dont get me wrong, I agree with you though that its sad when an ico suddenly changes their rules. But it can't just happen.

Well it is an individual job.
It just depends on you if you will do your job at your best to provide more investors for the campaign.

With that, you may also have done your research just before you join them. That is part of your job. Start with a good cause for a better effect.

This is a good idea, I recently proposed to create a union of bounder hunters, because we are so not protected that sometimes they use us as they like, this is very wrong because I am sure that the contribution to the crypto inductria of bounty hunters is very big!

The campaign manager didn't ask for the escrow of the tokens which is why the team had the chance to change rules. I see the project to be great because they do have fiat pair but seem like they are about to mistreat their promoters.

I don't think the problem will be solve in protesting about what had already happened. But we can handle the situation like we stop this from happening again by asking escrow of the tokens for the bounty pool.

The bounty world is very individualistic in nature and it's hard to have any form of 'one voice' protest on perceived unfavorable terms and rules in bounty campaigns. You can only decide to participate in a bounty or not based on the rules set. Because there's no contract binding you and the bounty manager, you are bound by the terms they set unfortunately.

If the conditions of the company's bounty do not suit you, then do not participate.  Follow the terms of the company and everything will be fine.

If it is very simple, then the bounty of the campaign has its owner, who has the right to make any changes without anyone's opinion. If you joined the campaign, then you automatically accepted the rules. And if you don’t like something, do not participate.

The fact is that we could make plans from now till next year and everybody would not go along with it, some people would still go behind to participate in the bounty, it's not fair at all how some projects treat us but everybody would not work in tandem.

If we could all come together to implement this, it would be cool.. but the fact still remains that some project managers are just pure crooks and even without agreeing that they changed terms, they could just refuse to pay bounty hunters entirely.

Is like you don't get his point. You telling him to go for a suitable rules doesn't make any sense. Why do he join if the rules don't suit him at first? He's referring to the rules being change in mid way or nearly end of the campaign which will later look worst.
The guy do have a great point you are the kind of such problem managers

Everything has its own rules, and if you are a member you will need to agree to them. I believe that if the bounty rules were changed, it would only fit the current situation and would not hurt the bounty hunter

And what if you decided to join the campaign where at the beginning, for example kyc is not required, and at the end or after the campaign, it turns out that you need to pass kyc procedure. If you do not do it, you will not get earned tokens. Is this situation okay for you? By joining the campaign, you agree to certain terms that apply to both sides.

yes sometime it happened to me the team of some ico have taken advantage of this thing "campain rule are subject to change" extending over time the ico and also the bounty period of one or two months without increasing the number of tokens allocated to the bounty or even worse changes at the last moment the percentage of tokens for the bounty decreasing it by about 6 times, it should be" bounty rules are not subject to be change" or refuse us all(Bounty hunters) to participate

If you have already enrolled in a bounty campaign, that means you are ready to follow the rules of the game of the bounty team managers, including if there are changes to the rules in the middle of the campaign, that is how they play, and one thing you must understand, no one forces you to take part in the bounty campaign. So follow their wishes as long as you want rewards from the bounty campaign team manager.

But part of the bounty depends very much on the outcome of the ICO, a project that can not pay if they do not raise funds, or there are incidents in the ICO. So stop thinking Bounty is very risky.

Every rule made by human can be change. If rules are fixed, then life might be difficult. What i am after is that, whatever rule that will be made, it should be a soft one which will not be detrimental to anyone, not even to bounty hunters that such rule is meant for in this case.
Although,i have not experienced a situation with any bounty, where rules are changed to my disadvantage, but i have seen people complained of such.

But who is going to care about this when bounty hunters even don't read the rules about the bounty they are participating because lot of bounties never for weekly reports in the thread but they still keep reporting every wekk by quoting their previous week continuously.

Now we are not even talking about changing the amount of payment, although this is of great importance for bounty hunters. First of all, it’s about declaring a KYC check after the end of the ICO. What is the point of such a KYC test already after our work is done? Only in order to beat our nerves and in the end try for any contrived reasons not to pay us the earned tokens.
Apparently, you have not yet encountered a similar situation when you fill in the required information, and the table simply does not accept them, because you have slightly different legislation.

Although KYC verification itself for bounty hunters is illegal, if they like, it should only be carried out when joining an ICO signature campaign, and not after we spent several months advertising  ICO project.

I support the call not to join the ICO signature campaign, if there is an indication of the possibility of any changes, up to the possibility of driving a KYC check after the end of the ICO.

you are right but i think it is so difficult to unite ,most bounty hunters are airdrop seekers

Bounty campaigns got more harder now since a lot of people already joined here and also do the same. Also for airdrops. Are you happy now that you want people to notice it?

I think that even though bounty hunters are really hard to combine, but still possible. To make a long strike in a week, as this week the hunters will not lose anything, and the benefits will be.

I think this unity of purpose may be difficult. Even some of the bounty hunters are bounty managers. This implies that once the managers get paid from their paymasters, they won't care if the rules favour the bounty hunters anymore.

it would be great to do so but unfortunately everyone will be involved in the future

If anyone wishes I found this new bounty contest: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5070480

And there is nothing about the team playing with the rules..

implement this idea is unrealistic therefore it seems to me that all these comments are meaningless

I don't think this is much useful. Because rules are made by others. You may not need to attend. I also hate rules change. Sometimes I feel helpless about this situation. There are no more ways. Every reward manager is based on interests.

united for what purpose? Do you want to destroy the reputation of bounty managers because they often change regulations? in my opinion it will not be useful. that is the right of BM and the / dev team's terms. so that as a campaign participant we cannot do anything.

to be honest it is indeed ruled that could change at any time indicate that the team was impressed not ready or immature with initial rules are made. It looks like a mess and not serious in carrying out the project. But if there is a problem then change the rule still must be allowed for the good and smooth running of the project. as long as it is still within the bounds of reasonable and does not harm either party then it is not a problem.

I support your ideas, but if you want more hunters to participate, then you should form a community and spread the protest articles to more forums!

Yeah it's true and I agree with your opinion. During changes to the rules it does not harm the bounty hunter, it won't be a problem. Rules are made so that they can be equally beneficial for bounty hunters and for projects. So no one is harmed. And what often happens is when many bounty hunters commit fraud, then the project will change a few rules and the bounty hunter is asked to do KYC.
But if there are projects that change regulations with the aim of not paying bounty hunters, we must unite.and force the project to pay bounty hunter

This is almost impossible. You don't know who the bounty hunter is. They will not reach a consensus and know that this is the life guarantee of the bounty hunter. They need this job. This is a trend, and future bounty hunters will disappear.

In fact, bounty hunters are impossible to achieve unity, bounty hunters are usually independent, ICO is increasingly depressed, the future bounty hunter group may break out of war. So this is not a friendly profession.

If we can be united, This will take us to our desire end, even if we do not get it 100%, With unity, most of the ICO projects mistreating bounty hunters will reduce.

Sometimes the rules made for project policies that make a profit or are fraudulent, so as a bounty hunter must be able to read the project situation that is being followed so that there is no misunderstanding. If indeed the policy is for good then follow it, but if the policy is due to dishonesty then just leave it. I think many quality projects can be followed.

I will say this is a good suggestion, but I would also say it may be impossible for this to happen, because there are some despirate bounty hunters that don't even bother about how they are been treated, all they want is just penny and they are satisfied.

I sympathized with you on this regard. It is really quite unnerving to realize that after the ICO phase, many of the projects just changed the rules of the game to suit their needs and circumstances. What can be more unfortunate is that we bounty hunters could not do anything about as we are all under their power to decide and mercy. They should be more caring and lenient to us but then this is not what is happening as most of these projects are treating the bounty hunters not as partners but just another disposable cups (like in many fastfood joints). I am wondering also if we can do something about it...

I agree with you it's good that we unite to make this possible.
because the bounty participants themselves will be harmed by the number of rules that change.

I agree with you. lately what often happens is the change in the rules at the end of the bounty which requires kyc, even though at the beginning they did not provide the rule. while for Kyc verification it is very difficult, even though the document is correct. indeed it is time for the bounty not to change the rules in the middle of the bounty, or at the end of the bounty. at the beginning of the bounty, that's the rule.

For what you are calling for policies in a bounty project, the policy that the project makes it a policy that must be followed, if you feel unsuitable it is better to avoid it. I think those who offer and bounty hunters are looking for and sorting out to be able to participate or not, so bounty hunters who must follow their rules are not those who must follow the rules of the bounty hunter.

reasonable way buddy, I agree with you
I used to do bounty projects that when it came to the end BM said pools dropped 10 times  for some silly reason. And bounty hunters are not protected from these things, all are angry but can not do anything besides cursing. We have to agree that there is one rule: "do not change the principle from the beginning until the end of the bounty" to avoid bad BM fraudulent use.

No one can unite bounty hunters, bounty hunters are good at camouflage, and this may be a lot of people in many countries, language barriers make you unable to unite bounty hunters. In fact, the bounty hunters should change careers.

I took part in many bounty campaigns before and now however I am still here taking part for a few projects. I think that only those that can be trusted projects with the handlers or campaign managers are those I am willing to participate even if there are rules that says it can be changed. However, nowadays there are many projects who became scam with this rules saying some rules are subject to change. It can be very hard to trust anymore if that is the case today so I don't join.

If Bounty Managers change rules during the middle of a campaign, for me it is okay,anyway we are not forced or bind into the project so anytime you can continue or drop it, it's your choice you have freedom to do what you decide.  In my case, if that happens I read the new rules and if it suit my judgement I will continue my campaign but if it will not I move on to another project that I think is a good one.  That's the irony of it, expecting and nothing came out of it.  So depressing but that's the reality here, be always prepared yourself for this kind of situation.  Accept this kind of rules if you want and move on if you don't agree with  it.  So many bounty hunters here,  it is hard to implement your suggestion, some may agree with you  but others may not. 

I also experienced it, when I followed the bounty, the prize paid was not in accordance with the initial regulations, I was very disappointed with the project's bounty

it seems that no one will care about the protests of the bounty participants, because they are not materially harmed. maybe what will be heard is a cheating investor in an ICO project, because it is included in crime and materially harmed

It is difficult for hunters to protect their rights because everyone is busy with work, but if you are willing to work for unity, then I am happy to join your team!

Firstly, you need to improve your communication skills op since I had to read what you were trying to say twice to properly understand your opinion. The title itself is messed up. Coming to bounties, there is not much anyone can do in this regard since everyone knows how risky it is participating in altcoin related bounties in this forum. There is a strong possibility that we might receive nothing at the end of the day. Luck and research play a huge role in determining whether you stand to gain any profit or not. This is why Bitcoin related bounties are far more reliable overall.

they can change rules depending on their situation and they change it for better results. you did mention that the campaign have rule that they can change their campaign so if you don't want to follow it better find another campaign that suits you.

No need to change careers or would definitely demand such jump out as a bounty hunter. We do have our own choice uniting would really be a good idea
but same as said it wont really be that easy due to barrier Ex. Language and also what would be the things could be done if all bounty hunters would tend to unite?
They cant demand anyone since they are just part of the marketing team.

it seems that a good idea of ​​a bounty hunter is united, but it is also necessary to emphasize the rules of the rights and obligations of united bounty hunter participants, so that the bounty hunter union will become an excuse to harm one party.it is also important to maintain the image of a bounty hunter to safeguard the faith of devteam.

Some People tend to scroll down to the registration link to fill up than reading the entire rules for the sake of their agreement to the bounty, this is a common practice for the bounty for changing rules due to some valid reasons, we encountered projects that abuses that rule but if you are picky with the ICO you will less likely going to encounter such unprofessional team to do such actions against to its advertisers.

As a bounty hunter, we have our own mind and decision in every campaign that we are going to see arising up in this industry.
All bounty hunters are free to ignore the campaign or free to join in also. Meaning, we are not force to participate in the campaign whether it is suitable or not to you.

I see all bounty campaigns have that rule, that team and bounty manager has right to change and add bounty rule at anytime. Bounty is a freelance job without legal contract so i think we can't change this. What we need to do is choose high reputation bounty managers to join their bounty campaigns.

One thing that can surely be united by not on joining the campaign.

They can change the rules anytime but it cannot be stopped by using promising words to stay in the campaign and waiting for you on grab the bait.

many ICOs have many bounties and certainly every manager who handles these projects has different rules despite many similarities, in my opinion it is indeed important that a rule is made to avoid cloning accounts, if the problem is the manager changes legitimate rules just as long as in a reasonable context

Every manager has a different policy and I agree about that. so I think that instead of doing something that might not happen like putting together a vote not to join in a bounty campaign it will be difficult and for me it doesn't matter to that rule as long as the manager does it wisely without seeking profit

they should have done it, but it was indeed difficult this was prevented. I have no problem if the regulations do not harm the bounty hunter and if indeed you cannot accept the existing regulations you may not need to follow the campaign

I think that nothing useful will happen in this case, so I think that we simply cannot do anything to prevent the developers from deceiving us, because I just don’t understand what needs to be done now to interrupt the scam projects.

I know what you mean. but it's not always bad when a bounty changes the rules. sometimes they decide to simply limit the number of participants or add something to the registration.

All we need to do is to listen and be active for what they needs for. Their is no permanent in this world only change and the rules will do change also because they have seen advantages on it. All I need to give an assurance is to participate and cooperate and I am always there for us to be united to everything decision being made.

it is hard to get i didnt resived any bounty coin yet....

yes it is hard to accept sudden changes in rules of signature campaigning when we are already in the midst of doing the project but if we are in the developers side, it is harder to accept shit posts from unprofessional hunters just wanting bounties. for me it is justifiable to give the team that certain power to govern the campaign and control the marketing.

Indeed, for the real problem since I joined the bounty there is always this thing, and it might not be changed I don't see managers who keep doing the same rules everything always changes, as long as we follow that course we still get rewards

The idea of creation  the bounty hunters trade union is vital and very relevant. There are often sudden changes in the conditions of the bounty campaigns, recently. However, I don’t think that this can really be done. First, there will always be strikebreakers who will take place of the boycotting bounty hunters. Secondly, participation in bounty campaigns is voluntary and is not regulated by any legal documents.

Well, to be honest, I don't like when at the end, bounty managers or the ICO team announces that for receiving token/coin, bounty hunters are required to fulfill KYC process. What the hell, why don't they put the restriction before starting a campaign. Most of the participants end with receiving no payments after working 2/3 or months of hard work. We need to be united and prevent this kinda issue. We are the persons for whom they are becoming successful. Why don't they value us?

I think the reason behind these are less participants and also depends if they are successful during ICO . Also to lessen the cheaters who do multiple accounts . If you didnt like this kind of rule of them then you will likely to look for a bounty that will suit on the way you like the proposal .

Yep, I don't care too much about it, we just need to keep working follow the rule but we also need they keep what they said about the number of token distributed for bounty campaign as the same at the beginning :)). There are so many bounty campaigns changed amount of token distributed to bounty campaign right after ending and it's really terrible.

You are right mate, they can change the rules anytime at any situation that's the biggest advantage for bounty manager. Sometimes you need to think several times to invest in a good bounty.

As a Bounty Hunter, I would love to join such a community. But unfortunately we do not rule the ball, but the money that we want to earn will be participating in the bounty, so your idea is unlikely to succeed (

It would be very good if the conditions of the bounty programs did not change. But apparently it is not real. Almost all administrators will not want to make such a rule, since the ico case may not go the way they would like, and they will have to pay more than they sold. Or, for example, ico admins may have a glimpse into the great earnings of the participants in the bounty and simply don’t want to give so much money. I believe that if they want, they will always find excuses. Although there are those who honestly fulfill the conditions, but there are very few of them. However, I believe that soon something should change and there will be ico, which will fight for both the investors and the bounty participants.

Agreed.The team has the full right to change the conditions of the bounty program.Let's be objective and agree that it is simply impossible not to change the rules.I do not mean changes in the rules due to which the bounty pool decreases.It is not rules but a true deception of the participants of the bounty.I think that changing the rules of the bounty is not a big problem. The real problem lies in the fraudulent projects which are becoming more and more every day. 

This will be difficult, remember that we are in cryptocurrency and crypto dont want rules from any people.
this is why we are having problem.
Like we are working to an ELITE and that elite has the capability to rule the community.
Well, bounty is a nature of marketing where demands are from the iCO team.
we can't do anything about them, they are the one to follow.
If we dont want that rule then we should not join them.

I agree that we need to solve this problem - with the rules of the company's generosity, managers do not always behave correctly towards activists of generosity - first some rules, then you do all the work, change the rules, and in the end you don’t earn anything!

In general, it would be very correct to prohibit changing the rules. Indeed, in many cases, the creators of the project can easily reduce rewards to bounty-hunters or enter a clause that will eliminate half the participants. And then you can not prove anything to them. I am for your idea!

It is not bad for a bounty manager to change the rules in their bounty campaigns. They are the one who is responsible for moderating their bounty thread, if they find some mistakes on it then it is better to change the rules rather than continuing the wrong ones, I know that it can discourage some bounty hunters but put it on our minds that changing the rules is better as long as the the bounties' objectives are not affected by changing.

You, my dear, are not aware of the developments associated with the project Yumerium. So I agree with TS, bounty campaign with such a paragraph of the rules should be avoided.

I think you're wasting your time cause nobody will follow you or maybe only few bounty hunters will follow. You should know that we're bounty hunters and let's imagine what will happen if ICO project stop running bounty campaign? I think we need them more than they need us. You just need to follow the rules then everything will be fine but try to find out good bounty campaign to join to avoid being scammed :)

Achange of standard to a dapt to the network is typical , however in the event that the standard change it isn't known , you are allowed to leave the task as you wish

Yes, I agree with many, bounty hunter will be difficult to protest against this. No one will listen to us. Almost all of the bounties indicate that the terms may change at any time and we have the choice to either accept it or refuse to participate.

We leave in a divergence world where everyone has his/her own opinion and wish, if you fill that the rule of a campaign don't suit you I guest you don't have to participate in such bounty. But calling all to unit may be very difficult.

In theory your words are right
This is a work contract that must be clear from the start to both sides
But we are in a society where hunters are seen with the wrong view

Unfortunately, we will not be able to apply  this proposal.

I think it is kinda hard to unite in this kind of scenario because we are located in different countries and have different understanding, no matter how you try to unite, trust me some people will still go against the it, But if such a thing is possible to do, I will appreciate it.

Yeah, I understand that making an ICO now is a huge risk, but there are also developers who abuse that rule, they usually created in case certain requirements are not met, to extend or shorten the campaign, now they use it to even put KYC in the middle of a campaign, that does not seem fair, because people like me are strongly against kyc in the bounties.

I just hope bounty hunters can actually unite,dev are now taking bounty hunters for granted,forgetting that they are the ones promoting them.Bounty hunters are doing a great job for them yet they seems not to appreciate it.

The idea is good and will be really good if bounty hunters will be able to unite and still will not tolerate such an attitude, but unfortunately there will always be those who do not care.

Even we protest we cannot change the fact that we are only a bounty hunters that seek a money from them, we can't complain about the rules if they stated that even we want.

That's right.probably some people will say that if we don't suit with the rules, ignore it and never join the program. But sometimes, the rules are changing when we have already joined the bounty program a half or at the end of the campaign. Some bounties offer the legit rewards and the rule is changed by decreasing the bounty reward allocation. The protest from the bounty hunters are needed. But not all will influence the rules and decision from the team. So sad.

A new era of bounty will come only when bounty managers begin to stand up for the hunters. They should act as a guarantor of 100% payments and high-quality work. You can make additional smart contracts that will automatically transfer tokens for the bounty to the account of the manager, and he will already distribute between the hunters.

Yes i totally agree, we should not be subject to rule changes, a form of contract would be ideal, based on  teams reaching goals of course in their sales. Too unfair the way it is going

I don't think that will help . Not everyone will protest, there will be those who will agree to everything to participate in the company on their terms. Unfortunately, this is not an area in which it is possible to put forward their own rules and rebel. Participants very many , and all will only better, if who the will cease to participate in generosity

To follow the rules of managers or not the choice is always up to hunter.For example, coming to the interview, you do not offer your terms?First, you in your resume show that you know and then the employer if you like him OFFERS YOU the conditions of WORK OR EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT!I myself have often faced injustice, but it is not worth making a revolution out of it.Karma finds everyone!

Bounty participation is the choice of individuals to make. While this is a good opinion, I doubt people will follow this. In fact, they're very glad that there are few participants that will share with them the reward pool.

Yes offcouse this a good suggestion we need to unite and protest for this the way the treat bounty hunters is not good the just take us as beggars but the don’t know we are the one that fully supports them.

That was the sad part of being a bounty hunters because manager can always change the rule.So for me i don't expect too much to all my bounty i just focus in what i am doing and just wait for what they gave.The best thing to do is to join in different campaign so its just your luck if you got the nice project.

You are entering the risk that the project won't reach its soft cap or will reach another amount than planned by entering any bounty campaign. I can understand you thats sometime unfair if you are taking part in bounty and the team is reducing the budget by x2, but thats life.

I support you, I think that the bounty activities make the hunters passive, and we can't even get enough profits from the legal bounty activities!

As bounty participants sometimes we can only complain, but there is no meaning. An example is a rule that states that rules can change according to the needs of the team. there are also those who say they can delete participants without telling them the reason. I think that is not fair. But what can we do? Participants can only, follow without rebuttal. :'(

That's what often happens now. Without strong evidence they will usually do anything. When we defend we will be kicked from the bounty telegram group. And you are right, we can only be quiet when they make changes without prior notice.