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Title: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: John46285 on November 19, 2018, 09:34:47 AM Sorry if I said anything wrong
First of all, I do not understand a thing. That is why many people are getting merits even after creating small unhelpful post or thread and many people are not able to achieve any merit even by creating a lot of useful topic? Why is this all happening? So, did any others big rank members helping them? For example, you can visit my profile. I have posted several articles for the benefit of others. But I do not see much view in my posts. But if someone posts a bounty or airdrop, then there is no lack of view. Is there no value of free knowledge? I don't care about myself. There are many brothers in this forum who have not got any merits even by creating a good article. Is not their work disrespecting them? And another important aspect is noticeable. That is, if a legendary or hero member gives a reply with one or two line, then he gets merits. Does low level members feel bad for this? This is not just about me, it is the disappointment of all members of the lower level. You can punish me if I've said something wrong and I will not feel bad about it. Because I'm not afraid to tell the truth. >:( >:( :( ??? Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: JetAid on November 19, 2018, 09:53:27 AM You may not be getting as many views as you would expect for a couple of reasons. One is that you are not checking your spelling. There is a typo in the title of this thread, and this is a possible indicator that a thread will be of low value. Another trick you could try is to read your post aloud, and listen to it. The English text should flow naturally, and if it doesn't, you can lose readers.
Of course another factor that will decrease merit awards and readership is the repeating of oft started topics. This topic has appeared in many threads in a variety of guises. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: S_Therapist on November 19, 2018, 10:03:28 AM Of course anothe factor that will decrease merit awards and readership is the repeating of oft started topics. This topic has appeared in many threads in a variety of guises. another. Typo is, of course, a factor. But it doesn't affect to much though.@OP If you create a valueable post, you will definitely get merits. Check how people are getting merits from posts which have been posted before couple of months. It may take some times but deserved post will definitely get. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 19, 2018, 10:16:33 AM <…> Merit is subjective, and as such, you will see it awarded on many occasions where your personal point of view does not concur with it. Nevertheless, one primal quality one needs is patience. In your specific case, you’ve written six posts in the last week which I do not consider to be spam at all, but that have gone unmerited so far. You need to take into account that merit does not necessarily come fast. In my personal case, it took me the best part of two months to get my first merit, and quite a number of posts. I tend to point out that time and effort are the key factors to writing decent posts that postulate to being merited, but you also need patience and a certain persistence to be noticed around. @Direwolve735 would also add self-confidence to the set of skills. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: OmegaStarScream on November 19, 2018, 10:21:19 AM Do you mind giving an example of posts that are not constructive at all and yet receive merits (aside from bounty managers posts)? If you see someone abusing the system (as long as you have proof), report him.
As for your posts, I haven't checked but I'm pretty sure you copied them from somewhere else just by looking at the writing style. In other words, you didn't put any effort into them so there is no reason to receive merits. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on November 19, 2018, 10:57:34 AM Unfortunately, Merit won't come that easy especially if you are a newbie. This is open view best on experience, most of these Legendary SMerit sources definitely won't agree with this but, there is some sort of bias toward Lower ranked members (except for a generous few like OgNasty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321) ). They probably think you are just here for money ( the irony is most of them wear advertising signatures or at one point in this forum used to wear signatures too.. talk about double standards)
In order to get an impressive amount of merit as a newbie, - You have to work extra hard for it ( help people around whenever you can, it's a much easier bet of picking at-least one merit day) - Spend a great chunk of your time on Bitcointalk trying to agree or defend the "Merit givers" whenever there is an argument or disagreement about any new implementation on Meta board - Be very technical, Post technical and graphical analysis about how good the merit system is, The 100 top this and that... such as; Top 30 Merit givers per board - Interactive Tool to spot possible Merit Sources (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4393868.0) Analysis – Sender’s Merit Network – How does it evolve (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5052019.) - Become an FBI agent on bitcointalk, technically detect Fake ICO teams like this; 🔴 Ongoing exposed scam ICO list, must read to save money; Update: 03/09/18 🔴 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4467496) ⚠ List of SCAM ICO! [PROVED] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4981560.0) Honestly to me, it's not fair enough. A large portion of Merit is still locked up to a few cliques of people of which some of them have had a past history in this forum, Others just ignore newbie infested boards like Altcoin boards so new entrants will find it hard to get recognized. So try you luck helping people in Bitcoin related boards, hopefully your comments will catch a generous merit giver. If you are not technically gifted or don't have enough time, the only best way you can get merit is to help others once in a while whenever you have an opportunity, otherwise posting articles won't help much Hopefully the system will improve over time. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Alluro on November 19, 2018, 11:01:43 AM The merit will be given by random forum members, if they are like some posts they will give merit to that posts. Then we cannot 100% expect to get merit to our posts. Always try to make good valuable posts on here. Don't make merit targeted posts. Try to be a loyal member on here. You will receive merit automatically.
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: r1s2g3 on November 19, 2018, 03:12:59 PM As for your posts, I haven't checked but I'm pretty sure you copied them from somewhere else just by looking at the writing style. In other words, you didn't put any effort into them so there is no reason to receive merits. Most probable, but this type of accusation should be made with proof. We should not speculate. OP is innocent until proven guilty. @OP. I have gone through your topics but unfortunately I lost all interest in trading. But I have some question for your topics. 1. How much personal experience you have as a trader? 2. What points in your topics are based on your personal experiences? 3. How much probability that I will not get the same points if I do the search about "trading guideline/best practices"? 4.Did you find somewhere in forum that people are need of this kind of information before you wrote this article? Your topic will not gain popularity (merits) if it is missing the above points. I have few question for you as well. 1. What is your primary objective in this forum? If it is Merit, then you can churn out some good statistics for it. If it is money, Then better to build your technical skills first. If it is discussion, Then I guess you are getting replies. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Sharon121212 on November 19, 2018, 06:39:09 PM You have alot of hindrance prevent you from getting merited and whining about merit wouldn't get you any merit also. And beside a post that is not useful to you might be useful to another member so there is no range used to measure the usefulness of a post. If you can be honest to yourself you would know that you and the rest unmerited member you stated have made merit an obsession or not been constructive enough and merit would continue to elude you guys until the right thing is done. If one can't not get merit from a member if a forum there are some merit sources that are always going through searching for meritable post to award merit It's never to late to start making good contribution
PS. You can start to become useful to the forum by locking this thread and not making any like this anymore Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Coyster on November 19, 2018, 07:02:23 PM You can punish me if I've said something wrong and I will not feel bad about it. Because I'm not afraid to tell the truth. This is a forum for discussion,and as long as you break none of our rules,you definitely cannot/will not be punished,and you've done none of that with this post..Your assessment is a bit wrong though as the preceeding replies have all pointed out, it's basically a known fact on the forum now, if you're good, and you can come up with good quality stuff,there is no chance in hell you'll remain meritless The thing is simply about your willingness to be useful on the forum,English could be a slight barrier,but it counts for less,as long as theirs coherence in your text Time spent on this post,could have been used for something more profitable,and probably one could have merited you Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: LTU_btc on November 20, 2018, 12:09:43 AM OP, you're doing everything fine. You're really putting effort into your posts and I'm sure that you will get Merit sooner or later.
But I think you're that it can be more difficult to earn Merit for new members. I think that some people here rarely gives Merit to Newbies and Juniors even if they see good post, because they afraid that it can be copied content. Sometimes they are lazy to check and they just skip that post. On the other hand, there are many users who started with 0 Merit and they reached high rank. So, we can't say that new members are discriminated here. About hero, legendary members. I think it's easier to get merit when you're more or less established member. People earned their reputation with long history of contribution to the forum. And it's not neccessary to write long article to get Merit. Good joke or sarcasm in right place and time can earn you Merit. And I can tell why your topics have low number of views. Unfortunately, many people here (bounty spammers) prefer to reply in basic topics with simple question, because it doesn't require much time and knowledge to drop few sentences. Not many of these users have enough knowledge to reply in topics about technical and fundamental analysis for example. I recommend to continue what you're doing. Just focus on quality of content, check spelling as advised and you'll get Merit. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: liansehao on November 20, 2018, 01:40:38 AM Sorry if I said anything wrong People randomly give merit to the one they think their post or comment are good. It is not so important, maybe it is not so helpful with you but it is helpful with others. Who knows?First of all, I do not understand a thing. That is why many people are getting merits even after creating small unhelpful post or thread and many people are not able to achieve any merit even by creating a lot of useful topic? Why is this all happening? So, did any others big rank members helping them? For example, you can visit my profile. I have posted several articles for the benefit of others. But I do not see much view in my posts. But if someone posts a bounty or airdrop, then there is no lack of view. Is there no value of free knowledge? I don't care about myself. There are many brothers in this forum who have not got any merits even by creating a good article. Is not their work disrespecting them? And another important aspect is noticeable. That is, if a legendary or hero member gives a reply with one or two line, then he gets merits. Does low level members feel bad for this? This is not just about me, it is the disappointment of all members of the lower level. You can punish me if I've said something wrong and I will not feel bad about it. Because I'm not afraid to tell the truth. >:( >:( :( ??? Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: pooya87 on November 20, 2018, 06:16:02 AM ~ people are not able to achieve any merit even by creating a lot of useful topic? ~I have posted several articles for the benefit of others. But I do not see much view in my posts. first of all merit is not just given to "helpful topics" it is given to "constructive posts". for example the last post i merited (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5071833.msg48041749#msg48041749) wasn't "helpful" in way that you have in mind nor was it a wall of text! it was "constructive" in explaining the current market situation in my opinion. as your topic history, first of all it is obvious that you are doing it for merit not to be "helpful" which may be the main reason you haven't received any! also what you are posting is the most common thing that is posted in trading discussion board and i personally don't find it helpful because you are basically talking about general stuff and it is repeated at least 100 times. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Kopyleft on November 20, 2018, 06:23:06 AM The issue or merit awarding divided by ranks, boards and members have been discussed quite a couple of times.
And from all the duscussions I have concluded that merits can be giving out for whatever reason the merit owner wants (except it's an alt account getting awarded or a bought merit). Barring these two situations the merit awarder has no gains in giving out smerits and hance it is an unregulated sector. Merit sources as I know are very straightforward in giving out merits. As they have to be professional. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: nakamura12 on November 20, 2018, 07:25:31 AM You can punish me if I've said something wrong and I will not feel bad about it. Because I'm not afraid to tell the truth. Punish you? Yes that might happen if you're proven guilty of copying someone's topic or content and using it as your own. About getting merits you can check the profile of DdmrDdmr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1582324) and theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530) for more information on what kind of topic/post that would likely earn merit. There's no reason to complain if they(newbies) won't receive merit even if you see some high rank members earn merit with one line post but it's on the merit sender whether he/she will send or not to receiver. No merit earn means no contributive post.>:( >:( :( ??? Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: NeuroticFish on November 20, 2018, 07:34:27 AM That is why many people are getting merits even after creating small unhelpful post or thread 1. Small is not necessarily unhelpful. Even an URL to the right direction can be extremely helpful sometimes. 2. Many use merit in the way you'd use FB "like", only to show agreement. 3. Some reward posts just because they made them laugh or smile. 4. Some reward the threads asking "the right question", meaning that trigger some useful/interesting answers. All in all, while are some common sense rules for merit, it's actually awarded rather randomly (based on personal decision), so the best is that instead of hunting for merit, enjoy the ride. And the merit will eventually come. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Jet Cash on November 20, 2018, 07:50:45 AM >..< I don't agree with many of the points and suggestions in your post. I am a legendary and a merit source, and I always have at least 100 sMerits available for awards. I spend time actively looking for new members to encourage. I try to encourage political, economic and technical posts rather than discussions about the Bitcoin Talk forum. The real problem stems from the desire to increase rank because it increases the potential to earn from exploiting the forum. Most senior members don't post to earn from their signatures, but use signatures to pick up some advantages from posting activity that they would probably perform without reward. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: pptIox on November 20, 2018, 08:18:04 AM >..< I don't agree with many of the points and suggestions in your post. I am a legendary and a merit source, and I always have at least 100 sMerits available for awards. I spend time actively looking for new members to encourage. I try to encourage political, economic and technical posts rather than discussions about the Bitcoin Talk forum. The real problem stems from the desire to increase rank because it increases the potential to earn from exploiting the forum. Most senior members don't post to earn from their signatures, but use signatures to pick up some advantages from posting activity that they would probably perform without reward. Hello, I am a beginner, I tried to invest in crypto for the first time a few days ago, now I am learning everything about crypto and forums. I can learn a lot here, and people look very friendly and helpful. But there are a lot of rules here. What Merit is. why do I need it, what does it mean? What is merit source? Do you have unlimited merit? I want to know how to get your reward? Don't get me wrong, I am not begging, I know that begging is not allowed here. I just want to know clearly what I should do in the future, thank you. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Cryptocore65 on November 20, 2018, 10:48:35 AM yes i have seen many member's posts ... there are manry unusefull posts in their profile .
but how they got merits..! Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Ridaa on November 21, 2018, 09:43:18 AM It's all false news about thehe merit that the deserving one's don't get it because I too posted something basic(just describing) but I still got a merit on it by some kind hearted so it's just that you need to post something good and by good I mean no typos and check it's quality too also refrain posting same topics.
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on November 21, 2018, 03:21:46 PM Don't put yourself on the ignore list of many merit source and active merit senders by creating another meaningless topic such as this one. Your account is just ~4months old you still have a long way to go and topics such as theses just proved you're here just to earn therefore searching for merits. This issue has been discussed severally on forum, I even did a topic on it few months back when it was still relevant but it's no more because just as forum user cryptovigi stated, many members have busted this myth of only higher rank members (legendary) are getting merited (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047456.0/) by ranking up from newbie to jnr member, full member, snr member and some even legendary members. If you truly contribute in the little way you can, the merits will find you. Stop searching for it. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030752.msg45824612#msg45824612\)
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Dreamace7 on November 21, 2018, 03:50:40 PM Firstly any post that gets merit Must have been helpful in the view of the individual giving the merit it's not a necessity that it must be in your recommendation. Best thing you can do is ignore all your whining and work harder
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: sincenam on November 22, 2018, 02:51:06 AM yes i have seen many member's posts ... there are manry unusefull posts in their profile . I am trying to find the reason why. After reading their post, i found no helpful info but they still receive merit? Where did they get merit from?but how they got merits..! Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Dudeperfect on November 22, 2018, 01:27:01 PM I believe that the term 'useful' is relative and changes from person to person. If something is useful for me then it doesn't mean that it should be useful to you too. I agree that it will take time to inculcate the habit of giving merits but that doesn't mean everyone should contribute considering that thing in mind. I believe that if my contribution is helping even a single person then it is a good day for me and gives me a feeling of satisfaction. Everyone has his own views regarding merits but one should never stop sharing his knowledge in the best possible way.
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Arthurjone on November 24, 2018, 07:52:32 AM I believe that the term 'useful' is relative and changes from person to person. If something is useful for me then it doesn't mean that it should be useful to you too. I agree that it will take time to inculcate the habit of giving merits but that doesn't mean everyone should contribute considering that thing in mind. I believe that if my contribution is helping even a single person then it is a good day for me and gives me a feeling of satisfaction. Everyone has his own views regarding merits but one should never stop sharing his knowledge in the best possible way. Yes, you're right. the term " useful" depend on the definition of each person, you may find it is useless but for other, it has the usage. Who knows? I believe that they have their own reason when they do that.Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: kATETom on November 26, 2018, 03:29:40 AM Correct me if i am wrong but i am thinking whether they can buy merit by money?
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: HCP on November 26, 2018, 04:49:58 AM Correct me if i am wrong but i am thinking whether they can buy merit by money? That is (unfortunately) almost a certainty... :-\I dare say, that given the "value" that merit seems to hold for a lot of people since the requirements were added... there are more than likely folks looking to make easy $$$ from it... and folks desperate enough to pay. A simple Google search would confirm as much. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: PhilipDon on November 26, 2018, 10:21:07 AM IS it true? How can one don't post any useful topic and still receive merit? It is unfair.
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: DdmrDdmr on November 26, 2018, 10:51:06 AM Correct me if i am wrong but i am thinking whether they can buy merit by money? Being it not a meritorious way of getting merit, some people do take this path. There are likely quite a lot of scams related to this too, and if you get caught openly, your account (and the seller’s) could end-up being red-tagged at some point, with all that this entails. Really, it is not that difficult to simply create decent enough content to get 1 merit. IS it true? How can one don't post any useful topic and still receive merit? It is unfair. More likely than not, merited posts will kind of deserve it, but merit is subjective, and as such, diverse in criteria and not immune from abuse to some extent. It’s better to take a look at the norm, and not the exceptions, in order to get a grasp at the sort of posts that are merited around.Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Gloverwrt on November 26, 2018, 11:41:24 AM Really, it is not that difficult to simply create decent enough content to get 1 merit. It s not difficult at all, and one merit should not be a Target for a member as they are liable to return to spamming after achieving that and being able to wear signatures. It should rather be seen as a detteremt to spam the forum, bearing in mind that more restrictions could be implemented (although Theymos has expressed that he doesn't plan for n making the forum unfavourable for newbies) Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: TheBeardedBaby on November 26, 2018, 02:32:19 PM IS it true? How can one don't post any useful topic and still receive merit? It is unfair. There is something else besides the good posts. If you build yourself a reputation of helpful person, sometimes you get merit for posts that are not so helpful but people can easily recognize you. The difficulty for the newbies is to build up a positive reputation. Often those who are after the merit fail,because all their posts are to hunt merit and it's easy to get exposed as a merit hunter and their reputation is over. So try to be a genuine user, don't chase the merit nor ranking, build yourself a positive reputation then the community will accept you. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: 3lyntmy on November 30, 2018, 09:19:10 AM Sorry if I said anything wrong First of all, I do not understand a thing. That is why many people are getting merits even after creating small unhelpful post or thread and many people are not able to achieve any merit even by creating a lot of useful topic? Why is this all happening? So, did any others big rank members helping them? For example, you can visit my profile. I have posted several articles for the benefit of others. But I do not see much view in my posts. But if someone posts a bounty or airdrop, then there is no lack of view. Is there no value of free knowledge? I don't care about myself. There are many brothers in this forum who have not got any merits even by creating a good article. Is not their work disrespecting them? And another important aspect is noticeable. That is, if a legendary or hero member gives a reply with one or two line, then he gets merits. Does low level members feel bad for this? This is not just about me, it is the disappointment of all members of the lower level. You can punish me if I've said something wrong and I will not feel bad about it. Because I'm not afraid to tell the truth. >:( >:( :( ??? i think u have to do more research what kind of post is more helpful and others interest in ;D Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Crypdon on December 08, 2018, 01:13:07 PM People will give merit because it helps them personally, not necessarily one that is helpful for all. You can try posting something useful on an ann thread of a particular coin, then a supporter might send you a merit
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Kakmakr on December 09, 2018, 07:11:48 AM Value are not measured in the length of the reply. I can ask a question like this, "Where can I see the average price of Bitcoin" and someone can only post a link to a site that gives me that solution and I could feel that it added value to the conversation. The person could have replied with a small list of sites and I would have awarded him with merit for his contribution.
Some people are seriously confused when it comes to constructive posting and they think people should be given merit if they are posting a "Wall of text" and that rarely happens. ::) Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: KryptoKedi on December 15, 2018, 05:20:49 AM Sorry but i just saw one very well known spammer from old times i dont wanna mention his nick gave 20 merit one person for just sharing a link
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Upgrade00 on December 15, 2018, 06:43:40 AM ... You should bear in mind that the merit system is not regulated. And users can give as much merits as they wish to a post they deem worthy. Except it can be proven that there is a trade or boost of personal accounts, nothing can be done by the mods. This is so as not to scare ither members from giving out merits, which does not in any way favour them. And it can lead to hoard of merits. Also you should freely link the profile, other members might be able to scrutinize it. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: BlockGroup on December 15, 2018, 11:51:13 PM Keep persevering and it will come :)
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 16, 2018, 02:56:41 PM <…> Ok, I admit I was curious as to who you were talking about, and encountered 66 potential cases (narrowed down scope to September 2018 onwards), although I got a feeling you are talking about some post or other on the Wall Observer thread.The candidates I found were: Code: converted_date nMerits userFrom userTo post_title url There are all sorts of cases on the list of recent 20 sMerit TXs, but all in all, the number is not large on the whole, so looking at it from the big picture, there are not many 20 sMerit TXs that qualify as merit abuse. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: jademaxxiss012 on December 16, 2018, 10:57:20 PM Giving merit is a discretion to the one who gave willingly to a post even if it means like a garbage posts. You can get it if you have made soke.strong connections with those higher ranks that has lots of merits to give. They can probably help you in that matter.
However, most of the time merits are given by the merit source to a post which takes time to make and has put some.efforts in the post. You can check threads that are getting couple of merits in the meta section. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Ciscopro2000 on December 18, 2018, 01:41:44 AM Merits are not necessary given only to long expansive novel like posts. They can be given to posts that are short and funny. Just enjoy the forum and post when you have something to contribute. Don’t let the lack of merits bother you. I’m one is the prime examples. Lol. Cheers!
Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: Obiwankenodium on December 18, 2018, 08:34:25 AM Hello, I am a beginner, I tried to invest in crypto for the first time a few days ago, now I am learning everything about crypto and forums. Just keep doing what you are doing. You already have received 10 merits from different sources / topics,so you are doing something right. There is no real magic thing in how to receive magic. I can learn a lot here, and people look very friendly and helpful. But there are a lot of rules here. What Merit is. why do I need it, what does it mean? What is merit source? Do you have unlimited merit? I want to know how to get your reward? Don't get me wrong, I am not begging, I know that begging is not allowed here. I just want to know clearly what I should do in the future, thank you. Title: Re: Why getting merit without helful post? Post by: vagrom on December 19, 2018, 12:57:56 AM It is more difficult to get merit here. Of course, if enough is enough, it is still possible.
Seriously writing a post, or seriously answering other people's questions, there are opportunities. |