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I'm not sure if this has been asked before, do you guy know any good websites that aren't based on pure luck?

Besides Poker and similar card games, I've recently found a website (thanks LoyceV) where you create bots to compete against others and make money in the process.

Website is DrownHim (https://drownhim.com). I'm not promoting this website because I'm affiliated with it, but because I would enjoy some competition!

Come join and see if you can beat the winrate of my own bot.
https://puu.sh/C4NOD/dfaa90403c.png

But like I said, I'm not affiliated with that website, so I would really enjoy any other websites you've come across, I like games where it's not all luck, and you get to test your own skill and logic to maximise your winnings. Of course full skill-based games like chess, checkers, or whatever aren't really a suggestion because there's 0% luck element involved, in addition to the fact that they're almost "complete" games, where a good enough bot will practically never lose.

So yeah! Let me know of any other games like Poker/Drownhim.

There are also some simulators games where you build your town and army and fight against different other persons but this is not quite gambling although there are websites that do this where your skills are rewarded.

The real skill gambling is in poker and blackjack. Sport betting can be some sort of skill game but not as much as poker and blackjack.

There's Chopcoin (https://chopcoin.io/), a Bitcoin-minded Agar (https://agar.io/) clone. I haven't played there in a long time though, as it was always against the same few users, and teaming (which isn't allowed) made winning very difficult.
See chopcoin.io - The new interactive Bitcoin game! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1168533.0) in Gambling or more recently [ANN] Chopcoin.io - Interactive Bitcoin Faucet Game (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2071899.0) in Micro Earnings.
I'm not sure what the current state of the game is, it complains about an adblocker :P

Interesting! Any specific examples of this?


I just tried it for about 3 rounds, (with an Adblocker on, oops). It's definitely cool, even though since the agario days I still remember how frustrating it was. But maybe I should have mentioned I'd like something not to be too time consuming for the reward involved, I'm fine with them being a bit risky as long as there is some skill. Chopcoin.io is just like a very cool faucet spinoff, it doesn't look like they take deposits or have any high risk games where players can wager balance, and there's no automated system like drownhim where you can just think and test for a few minutes and let it run... Soo manually playing 10 minutes for a 1 mBtc grand prize is a bit off-putting honestly.

https://www.bitcoingg.com/gambit-drops-btc-bets-from-skill-based-games/

I really think that this site will let you enjoy most of the games while betting on bitcoin with your skills, The site is https://www.gambit.com/ A multiplayer strategy online games that let you play various strategic games with different people, I can not access the site because of the full legality is in all US states only.

They truly provide a rewarding environment for the bitcoin gambling players and some of the skill games that they offered in their early stage was Bitnopoly, Oh Ship!, Rock Paper Scissors, and Capture to name a few, but these do not require either BTC or USD deposits. Instead, online gamers must use the Gambit chips to run the games.

But I wish it can be in a globalized market so it can accommodate not on in the U.S. states but in a worldwide audience, I think this is an idea that can be well known to everyone that will want full skill-based games for bitcoin to bet on.

Sport betting maybe fall under this category!

Because there are some form of betting in the sports needed analytical skills to predict who is going to be the winner on this particular game so which involves more skill and luck too.

The only true skill-based gambling game that I can think of is Poker.

Like you said, I can't even access the website outside the U.S. it seems interesting I guess, hopefully they expand their target audience. You'd think the U.S. is one of the last places to promote an online gambling business in beacuse of how restricted it is..


I do sports bets! But I'd like something where I can spend a few minutes to make a quick buck. For sports betting you can only make as much money as you invest.


Thanks for sharing with us.

I remember ending up on a website where you can play games like dota/csgo and win points. Once you gain enough points you can use it to get gift cards and some other stuff.  It's similar to faceit but powered by a cryptocurrency. I don't know what it's called though I only remember that I found it somewhere in the altcoin section.

The site looks interesting, and I see it's fast loading, I like the design of the site. I try to register and take a look inside the game, but unfortunately, I don't too understand about the game. Perhaps, later I will try to play, and I think it is better if the site can give faucet for a new player to start the game. But I guess the skill-based gambling/games is poker because we need to know about the card and the strategy although it's not guaranteed to win the game.

The game gives you 5 bits to play with! And like I mentioned in the website chat, try reading the game rules ! https://drownhim.com/rules Also, if you play manually in the newbie room, you will very quickly understand how the game works, and maybe understand how you can make your own bot.


I think digibytes started as a reward altcoin for gaming. I'm sure there are other ones too, but I clearly remember Digibytes because it's the only one that still stuck around, albeit removing the League of legends / csgo reward system.

After all these years, If I haven't read up this thread I wont able to know such game exist. Quite interesting game as I have read up the rules on the link you provided I do fully
 understand directly on how this game works and might try to play it later on and this looks interesting pure pvp game and skills does matter on reaching into the top.

Interesting game- it seems the house edge of the game is set to 1%, as noted in the rules of the game (correct me if I am wrong)? The English in the entire FAQ and Tutorial is a bit rough, so I'm not completely sure if I interpreted things correctly.

Correct :)

Well for dice you really need to be a clever guy ,and we can discuss it as much as you can.

The same happens with Fair Tale, you also need to be a smart guy for playing in there to earn money, and it also applies to a bunch of other games.

Skills are needed, on every game

This game is very good and the unique appearance is that there are some people climbing and there are some waiting below,the win can be divided evenly if in the same top position.Like this game I want another ALT to be on the list of currency bets so there will definitely be many who want to play the game,the chance to win is great well the players will definitely want it.It seems like there is a special strategy to win And the OP has proven it.

Like you, I think it's unfair that we have a lack of skill based games. Poker is combination of both, luck and skill and when you play online in room where everyone can sit and go anytime they wish, it's hard to understand opponent's phsichology and use your skills which usually is bleff. Btw the game, which is 100% skill based is chess and there is a website velocitychess.com where you can play chess with bitcoins too, was playing here two years ago, haven't visited this website since then.

You keep believing that buddy. If you think you're smart because you can "predict" the outcome when you throw a bunch of dice, I'm not going to be the one who proves you wrong, the dice will. I just hope the price you'll pay for it won't be too big.


The admin is making a promotion right now in the 1 bit room! In addition to 5 bits from 5 players, 5 bits is added to the pool on the house for the winner! For a total of 20.000 bits to be given away to the best bot.




It's stupid to play chess for btc. There is no way people aren't botting their way in public chess rooms.

The Drownhim game looks awesome!  Just wondering...  How hard is it to program your own bot?  I think this game has the potential to become huge.  Seriously.  All the community around the game needs to do is teach everybody the basics of making a bot and write a few more advanced strategy guides.

Edit:  Is this an original game?  Who made this?

I think it's an original game, I've never seen it before outside the website.

Try reading the rules here : https://drownhim.com/rules (without reading about the bots) and then play manually in the newbie room : https://drownhim.com/game/1

Once you understand and start winning some games manually, you can read about the bots. I could explain it here but I'm not going to do better than the link I gave you.

You can also play using a default admin bot with the play button, and you'll see what it does!

If you click the drop down menu (almost top-right of the site), you can browse and select bots made by other players. They're sorted, showing the best bots first. You can select a minimum of rounds played to fine tune the selection.
The difficulty of creating a bot depends on the other bots. The tricky part is to play together at the right moment, if you can pull that off you climb faster. There aren't that many settings, but the number of possibilities with working together and drowning is very large.
I created [Drownhim.com] Testing Unibot settings and sharing successful bots (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638210.0) a while back to share bot settings.

It's made by MrDrowner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1779989) and team.

Kk thanks.  I'll check it out.  I wish a community grows around the game.  I really haven't seen anything like it tbh.  And what makes it look cool and interesting is the competitive botting aspect...

Maybe somebody should make a bot only poker site where botters can compete with one another.  ;D

about  chess

velocitychess
There was actually , they didn't accept bitcoin , they had just deposit and cashout with paypal , i played there for some time (cashout minimum was about 50$)
had in-game currency that you could earn in tournaments and single games , i reached cashout and never get paid , that was complete scam , you can read more in the web about velocity.

chesscube
The best chess for money was (chesscube) , had in-game currency you could cashout (had many grandmasters there )
they shut down money-part (2013) because of cheating but site still alive and solid to play for fun and training.

playchess
best client for pro players , every champ played/ing there (realy solid)
has in game currency called (ducat) , AFAIK you cant trade ducats for money but u can buy account serial number and chessbase.com softwares and Educational films with them .

Lichess
Realy good one , first free-software chess , they support many variants of chess are realy fun.
Time to time there is tournaments with cash prize.
carlsen plays there sometimes.


Thx OP for Starting Topic , I'm Looking for skill based games too.

Will you guys stop recommending me chess? I already wrote in the start topic why I dont want solved games (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solved_game).

Chess, checkers, Go, etc.. you need to know that regardless of website, you can automate a bot that plays for you. Web-based, Client software, you name it, someone with enough time will make a bot that spams chess games with the logic of one of the dozen open sourced chess algorithms out there.

Agree but if you think like that than there is no way to play 100% skill based game online in fair situation, everyone can play bot against you and there is a high chance you'll lose. But on another hand there is a game which I just reminded, something like penalties. You have 3 chance, your opponent has 3 chance too and you kick penalties to each other. One kicks and another one is goalkeeper, one chooses corner and GK chooses also, it's 100% luck but fair lucky based games, then they swipe the roles and so on.

Another example that was listed here was the Agar.io clone who play for btc leaderboard.
The website I mentioned in my post where you have to write rules about your bot to climb.

Both of there are still skill-based, but automating something to have a 100% winrate is impossible. For chess, and similar solved games, it is proven impossible for a human player to beat the best chess bots with enough computation time.
In addition to the fact that it's very easy to get access to such bots, chess or similar board games are just not worth risking money on.

Also kindly try to remember websites whenever you mention examples, I'd be interested but I need to try them to judge :)

Zee test bot - newbie   kingzee

Good bot to be used.lol


http://i63.tinypic.com/2cyr7f6.png


What a entertaining game.

Edit: Seems like you can make easy win with newbie/bot section.

Lol! :D Glad you enjoy my bot. The newbie & manual section is the easiest, so I kept the bot for it public, its not very good though so you can probably improve it. Try to make a bot for the other sections with bigger pools! Apparently ive been making too much money and admin is on a quest to shut me down by upgrading his own bots.

Your Bot is on top which its normal for players to use it up with having some good percentage stats. One question, how can we able to find a queue that do have bigger bets? Ive been lurking
to check out and i cant find it.

I think the website UI is pretty easy to browse, but there are different rooms for each pool :

https://puu.sh/C8DzS/a7d813e0fc.png

Before every round starts you can see information about entry fee, number of players, and more rules about each different mode.

Currently the maximum is 1 bit buy-in, which is supposed to be a player-only room, but there aren't enough players for it. You can check out Another Chance, and 20 Moves. Admin just introduced a "maximum drowns" system to prevent over aggressive bots, so 20 Moves 7Ds means 7 drowns allowed per bot every round.

There used to be rooms with much bigger bets (say 300-1000 bits). I expect Admin to bring those rooms back once the site has more players.

Yes, i have seen that but what i do mean is already answered by LoyceV.

Oh i see, sadly this game didnt able to get such enough players.

Speaking technically, if it's skill based, it's not called gambling, its called a challenge. And there are ways you can challenge other players without the need of a host. I   liked the ChopCoin game as someone mentioned above but that's the closest I have come across. I don't trust the bot making game because you are always competing against someone better than you.

It's not necessarily true, I can agree with you for games like chess, checkers.. But poker for example, is a skill based game where you can control what rounds to play based on your hand, but its still affected by luck.
ChopCoin I liked too, but you can't be perfect at it, there are also a lot of environment factors that can affect if you can win or not.

Sportsbetting, even rock paper scizzors can be a skillbased game, because a smart person's winrate will largely surpass a newbie's, it still means that sometimes, due to randomness factors, even a calculated bet can backfire.

That's the challenge in any skill-based game ;) But the reason for choosing bots over manual play is to prevent people from colluding. Playing together against another player gives you an advantage. With the bots, you can't select who gets drowned.
I'm not sure how this problem is handled in poker.

I think a skill game site should be developed solely for open face chinese poker and other card games.  The game plays mostly like bridge than real poker imo.

And I have been bugging Bitdice about this...  Yatzy!

Bookmarked..  Will give this a try.
I really don't like things that are based on luck. Better to "gamble" with those that require skill, time and effort to make money.
Could end up being my first gamble  if all goes well.

luck based games are more rewarding imo , not because of the reaward money but because of the excitement and thrill when you won the game  . you know luck is does not come out oftenly  .  gambling games that are skill based dont give you assurance to win a profit because if they are , then all gamblers are now millionaire and there wil be no gambling business because they are now bankrupt  .

betting strategy is a skill.  not just martingale but other patterns can be useful to extend the life of any bankroll. 

I like to play around with strategies that involve specific "set" of wins/losses.  So like win 1 go to next bet amount, win 2 go to next, etc.

Did you play this gambling and how much you can get rewarded from this site and is this trustable and and how much you can get from this type while gambling.

Skill based games is just increasing the probability of winning and its not a sure win even it based on skills. Remember that those who have similar skills are the ones who is chosesn to battle into so the odds are also 85% skills 15% luck. Yes! Even skillful players are lost to rookies.

Playing skills based games are always tempting many gamblers to test their skills inside the games, and I think they learn from many sources. But we need to remember to have a limit for the bets, so we don't have to lose too much money, and we can try our skills in the next days. We can have a chance to win the game by playing in many times, but we can also have a chance to get lost too so remember that we also need to know when to quit the games.

if I also searching for this type of gambling much more then Poker so I have to try this and it makes the result more positive and it will definitely be giving the rocket more than that I used before

Just a heads up, I should let you know the site had a lot of trouble to keep traffic. I can understand why, mainly because of how challenging it was for some users, and how the traffic is always seasonal. A few people come, don't find a lot of others, and leave. The cycle continues and each weeks only a handful of users play until they don't. I try to stick around to keep touch, but I just thought you should know that there isn't a lot of users on the site.

When I go to the rules pages, it asks me for login.Woudln't be better if the people could read the rules without having to register an account?I just don't want to create accounts here and there and leave them. ;D

aw thats bad . most sites usually post thier rules outside without having the need to login or register  . but thats good because you did care about reading the rules while most of us didnt care about those stuff's because we are being lazy to do it  .
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agree . skill based games are more indemand because gambler see's them as an easy money but it turns out that thier expectation wasnt real  . not all skill based games are guarantee to give you income . of course the best team/players also experience a bad luck  .

Yes, besides that, I forgot on which gambling website I've been registered because if I only want to test the site, I don't save the account and as you, I just leave the site after I test. I think gambling website need a demo site before people register so they can try the games and if they found that the games are good, then they can decide to register or not.

This looks interesting. I may end up going for the competitive betting when i become a regular.

What are your opinions on the website currently.  Is it still safe to gamble on?  And how strong is traffic to the site?

it is definitely changed based on your interest because no one will stay in the same games for a long time I will definitely change their opinion if they got bored in it that's why I don't think nothing is stable especially in gambling and games it is definitely unstable.

You mean unstable on interest?It would vary because not all people are the same when it comes to their preferences.Some might like or not like on the games being recommended.
Skill-based is much more preferable if you do like to gamble with higher percentage of winning or odds to sustain yourself for longer periods plus enjoying the game.
I did test out that Drownhim game,it is confusing at first try but you will able to analyze it later.

Well, people with lots of experience in gambling know already how to control their self but with the newcomer in the field of gambling, it might be hard to stop them if you tell them. Let them learn their lesson since in the first place this is what they want they will know their limitation soon. Skill-based gambling is only for people who love to gamble in the senses that they want to spend more because they want to bet the system yet they still fail.

I would like to try that one ,But I hope that they would make it something like COC(Clash of Clans),
But the only difference is you are looting the crypto of your enemy,
I hope they could create something like that where the money on the game would be real crypto.

There are a lot of other skill-based games, not just poker. There are blackjack and the popular sports betting. Setting that aside, this is a great information for some gamblers thay usually bet on pure luck based games.

Yeah there are skill based gambling but I like the local gambling games tong its majong and etc. There are many games in the likes of this that requires skill in order for one to earn.

But I do not play more on skilled games rather I play on games based on luck. I find myself lucky when gambling. I just find games profitable or I could win mostly on this kind of game.

I do wish that we have skill based gambling and not the luck based gambling. If the gambling result depend upon the skills then people who work hard to learn could be rewarded more. But since gambling is luck based, you only need to be lucky to gather money from gambling. That is why we see lot of people in gambling because they all are trying their luck to win.

How about gambling on competitive games. Most games require lots of learning, practicing and hard work to be successful at.
It is even possible some  require more skills than poker.

Even the competitive games require skills and not just the skill-based games. In addition, the factor pf probability is not missing from the skill based games as well. You face sheer risk in the skill based games. Poker though is very tricky and needs great experience is not impossible for some one to get over it and I think that the more you practice, the more you learn.

The new people will lose their money, and if they don't learn from that, they will make another loss on the other day. Skill-based gambling can be learned but that will depend on that person itself, if he is willing to know more about the game, I am sure he will spend more time to learn. But he still needs to have self-control when he plays the game so he can prevent from the big losses.

Lol what' makes this different from other luck based games? Like you said you put up bots to compete with each other, doesn't it have to do with luck? Since the bots competes with each other and you're not the one in control of it, you're depending on luck and not your skills. Skill based games are the ones you play by yourself and it depends on how good you're in the game to be able to win. This one is a lot different and has nothing to do with. But if it is working out for you then there is no need to continue searching, you can stick to this and make your money.

It takes skill to create a good bot.

I've seen a lot of people here in the forum that claim they have a working bot, and I don't really believe on it as it's impossible gambling sites would not detect it, they'll surely adjust whatever system they are using.

But at least it will take time before it can fully detect and block which ever system they are using in bot,the thing is it’s possible in anyway or another and can make money for sometime

For atypical gambler who’s looking for enjoyable game(of course with profit by chance)winning in short time is enough than total losing

I'm not using bot in dice or similar game as I am not interested with the offers I am seeing, my logic is, if it's working, why are they selling it?
If one can make a bot to win, he should keep it himself so it will not be expose and he can enjoy it for maybe a longer period.

I played dice, but not like other gamblers who really focus on it spending hours, I'm more confident betting in sports with a decent amount of money, this game does not require a bot, it's just a pure analysis that is needed.

A bot is a program that is created to copy your own moves. And since your are creating the bot you are teaching it how to play the game in your own style of playing. Of course luck is also a big part of most of this games but before you can be lucky you have to be skilled.