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Seems like not so many people were expecting the world’s largest cryptocurrency by market capitalization to fall again so drastically. The U.S. Justice Department is investigating whether it was partially caused by manipulation. More on topic here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-20/bitcoin-rigging-criminal-probe-is-said-to-focus-on-tie-to-tether
Do you find this plausible?

I don't think BTC was dropped by manipulation but I think the price dropped because of the news that surrounded BCH fork. Alot have been said and heard about this fork and it has caused alot of market panic.

Manipulation is very much plausible cause of the recent drop in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. CSW has been hinting that he has a huge control over the market and can go on and bear the losses others might incur. As for Tether, the CFTC has been eyeing the possibility of Bitfinex being involved in some insider trading that affects the prices greatly due to manipulative tactics being applied with the help of the said stablecoin. Right now, there aren't any clear answers as to why we have fallen into such a massive downward spiral within a short span of time, but most people are inclining towards manipulation as the main culprit of the steep drop.

Manipulators should already be aware that watchful eyes are already observing bitcoin from afar.

The investigation started almost a year ago and has been ongoing.

It is not a recent event.

Did you not know tether was a fractional reserve scam?

It is difficult to say whether this was market manipulation or just the panic of traders and investors. Now the market is very nervous. Now, perhaps, the best position is the lack of position. Those who are out of the market are now quietly watching the situation from the outside and are waiting for what will happen next. I do not like to make predictions, but it seems to me that 4500 is not yet a bitcoin bottom, and difficult times await us. I am waiting for $ 3,000 for Bitcoin, and then I’ll have to look at the volumes.

What caused the rapid fall? The stability of the cryptocurrency is due to the fact that it is in high demand and supply in the financial market. Recently, users began to mine exclusively in order to sell. On all exchanges, without exception, there is such a picture: the number of offers for sale exceeds the number of buyers.

The price or Bitcoin dropped suddenly as a result of the false rumour clouding BitcoinCash hardfork thus pushed many investor to dump Bitcoin for BitcoinCash. I believe this was adequately orchestrated to pull down the price of Bitcoin.

Speculation is root of all evil :) In old communism years speculators hide the bread for selling when war gonna hit hard whole country. Price drop is conclusion not cause. Regulators should apply some rules to legalize the trades and limit the money washing tactics.

You should find out how the Crypto market works and you will find the answer. This market is a puppet of the rich, you are a participant, and you are forced to spend money watching their performances. They will do everything you can to give them money, and this is how they make money.

All I can see is why BICOIN FELL hard?
This is due to the BCH FORK, look at the market now!
BTC is climbing up again this is due to reopening on the BCHABC now.
I am now much worried about thos BCH holders. i do have 75 percent thought of BCH falling.

If there's no proper regulation why would they bother to investigate? They should have taken their position first on the subject of regulation whether it's really not. I'd say they are doing like an insider trading or sorts of so the manipulation really starts from those that have the authority.

This year there was a lot of negative news. But none of them caused such a strong fall in the market. I think that this time there were manipulations.

I don't think that the dropping of the bitcoin price is cause by manipulation because there are so many factors that affect the bitcoin price and some of it is really dumping, if we take a look at some bitcoin transaction history we can see that there would be a huge amount of bitcoin dump on the market and it is the cause of the dropping of its price. Maybe that was only a big investors and not a manipulators.

There are big players on the cryptocurrency market that can influence the price. There is no surprise that they are pursuing their own interests. I would advise you not to panic. I think the latest market decline is associated with panic.

I believe that the previous  huge market drop has sometbing to do with whales manipulation and people got panicked which had resulted to drastic panic selling. In effect due to more supply of btc, the drop has been continuing to nose dive. People  need to accept the fact that this is actually happening and the previous  ear market is just one of the effects of manipulation.

Its difficult to trust that bitcoin dropping just because of manipulation. I think no one can manipulate the value of bitcoin due to this is decentralized  and who can manipulate bitcoin if it happen. I think bitcoin dropping was also basing on the stocks or supply because not only cryptocurrency  who dropping but also the stock market was also dropping so it means nothing to worry why it is bitcoin value and other coins dumping.

I think you have misunderstood it, most of these FUDs went perfect to influence the market negatively. And as for the good news, none of them really caused a strong uplifting move for the market during those times of need.

Let those investigations come. Even last year there's also one that has been said such as manipulation due to tether printing. I'm not updated regarding it so whether the market goes high or low, there would be speculations that it is manipulated.

Nobody knows , but in my opinion yes there is manipulation and there will be till we dont reach like 2-3 trillion or more marketcap . Somebody with big chunk of money could drive the price down when market was kinda bleeding and accumulate at lower levels :) Then somebody will give green light for institutions and guess what they will already have big chunks of bitcoins and maybe other top coins aswell

I think manipulation is not the reason why bitcoin was drop because all we know that many people are already scared to invest in bitcoin so the cash in investment are lessen and I think this is the reason why bitcoin drops. I believe that bitcoin can manipulate but I think they cannot  manipulate the national bitcoin's value. This is only my personal idea and conclusion. We dont all know the real score about the bitcoin drops. We know that nothing is impossible when high technology used but I think bitcoin community did not let it happened because it may cause of bitcoin' death.

Manipulation is part of cryptocurrency because of its speculative nature. Some of the influencers can manipulate the market to their own whims and caprices at the detriments of majority of the holders who acquire the coins even  at  a higher market price. But the fall in price this time around has been attributed to the hard fork of BCH where two coins were birthed. Similar situation happened last year and after the storm the market moved and created a new high.

Bitcoin control in the market is so huge that a few group cant manipulate it price. The price of bitcoins depend on the supply and demand of it but not manipulation from third parties.

I have to admit, that I have manipulated Bitcoin price a little bit. I bought some at 3600$.

Only as much as the ATH of all past cycles were caused by manipulation. Take it or leave it, no market makers, no market takers = no market movement. Ultra stable Bitcoin just doesn't seem to cut it with speculators.


Similarly, 2017's mega FUD that somehow just failed to stop Bitcoin's climb to 5 digits. Can't stop momentum with news.


I also admit, I got a tad excited at $4200 and my weak hands just dropped a bunch of coins at the nearest grubby buyer, hence preventing the massive bull run that was just a couple of BTCs short of happening.

I think the big bitcoin holders making this bear markets and the bull runs. Otherwise the prices wouldn't change this much. You can make + /- %50 profit or lose in 24 hours in cryptocurrency market. So that must be some big powers that making these changes. Ofcourse this my opinipn but i know that no one really knows the real truth about it.

I'm a firm believer that there was some manipulation during the last drop. We didn't see any big news or events that could trigger such a massive sell-off, there was nothing that could justify that drop other than some shady people behind the scenes trying to manipulate and tank the prices. They succeded in creating panic as there's no doubt that a lot of weak hands sold during the bloodbath. On the bright side, they0ve create some good buying opportunies for those who were looking for an entry-point to invest in btc.

I'm pretty sure that it was manipulation. If we accept that BAKKT insiders were buying OTC before the launch, and they knew about the delay before it was announced, they probably sold and caused the huge leg down that broke 5800 support and triggered the panic. I find it very suspicious that BAKKT CEO announced delays a couple days after the big sell-off.

Obviously YES. You should know that Bitcoin is high, really high manipulated. The total volume is not enough.. really small.. and the big whales can easily manipulate the market. Also you, if you have some millions, you can easy manipulate it.

Well, we can hardly tell some truth. Even approximate. If everything was bad, the exchange would have been closed long ago, and Tether would have been removed from the listing.

I do not have any idea about manipulation but I think the price of bitcoin can manipulate once you have huge number of bitcoin. Many people believe that it is manipulated but many of us have different perspective about falling down of price on market.

I believe that the cryptocurrency market at the moment is really very subject to manipulation by large players. This was repeatedly stated not only by financial analysts, but also by the SEC. And in this regard, I agree with them. The cryptocurrency market is very young, and as you know, young markets in one form or another are more subject to manipulation. Such a market is easier to move. Even without a large capital, you can influence the quotes of some of the cryptocurrency. This is explained by the fact that cryptocurrency does not yet have the liquidity that fiat currencies have. The more players in the market, the harder it is to manipulate.

Manipulation is one of the causes while the price of the bitcoin dropped. There are whales who can manipulate the price of the bitcoin because of the power that they have in the market. Whales are the reasons why there are pumps and dumps in the market.

I had been hearing and reading stories of btc price manipulation for quite a long whenever there is any sudden price drop, its obviously  real and factual  these are big investors who can manipulate the price at will and invest massively when price drop cases of MT.Gox dumping was rampant late last year and the beginning of the year which invariably resulted to drop in price.

I think that the manipulators also took part in the fall of the market. But I wouldn’t lay all the blame on them.There are many factors besides them.Assume a decline in investor confidence in cryptocurrency. Agree if everyone starts selling cryptocurrency, then prices will be reduced without manipulators.The whole cryptocurrency world lacks practical application in everyday life.If this problem is fixed (and there are all assumptions that it will be eliminated),then the trust and prices for cryptocurrencies will grow.

in my opinion bitcoin is very complicated, too many interests behind bitcoin, it seems like the decline in the price of bitcoin as a result of manipulation, a lot of negative news about bitcoin so it makes people confused and sells their bitcoin because it's panic even though bitcoin prices are down I still believe in bitcoin.

I think that the market drop was induced by manipulation with very high probability, about 90%.
The drop was not natural, there was no big news out there, nothing.

it could have been done relatively easy thus it was done and someone made aton of money in process

This is a really interesting point of view and it can also be easily checked. The conspiracy theories are always part of market movement, especially when we talk about the market that is extremely volatile such as crypto currency market. I do not know what was the initial drop that started everything but I do believe that pank and fear of the people expanded and made the drop even deaper. Clasic supply and demand. I am wondering if the rise of BTC was also manipulated? Each big leap, what do you think about that?

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Such a rapid falling is always coursed by any kind of manipulation even if the big whales going to sell something for any benefits .

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That is probably true because based on what I ever read about several factors that influence and cause Bitcoin drop is that manipulators. They want take much advantages and profit from it. They like a panic sell because they can take benefit from it. However, I personally don't know exactly about it because Bitcoin is not controlled by the stakeholders as real currency where real currency is influenced by real issue both in internal and external issue such as trade war, politics stability,  etc.

tl;dr: Yes

Practically every post on here is an attempt at price manipulation. I heard several theories as to why the current crash happened. As usual, people believe what they want and don't question the validity of possible explanations. That applies to people for and against btc.

as we know, the crypto market is a gathering place for big traders who invest their money in bitcoin and altcoin, the price in the market depends on all of them, I rate the news above is an effort to maintain professionalism in the crypto market, and this is needed

I am thinking that price of BTC dropped because of manipulation. Without negative news or whatever reasons, price of anything not only in Bitcoin will not drop if its not manipulated. Someone wants to pull down the price so they can buy more and sell at higher price since bull run has not started yet. Expect more dips in the next coming days.

We can't certainly run out about bitcoin being manipulated by certain individuals. I believe there seems to be a lot of manipulations on the crypto market especially concerning the price of bitcoin. It is very difficult to predict when and how a manipulation of bitcoin would occur.

How can the drop in the price of bitcoin be caused by manipulation? The drop in the price is as a result of people having enough bitcoin selling their coins at a price they think bitcoin should be. Since the system is a decentralized one, everybody has the opportunity to sell their coins at any price.

There are many that affect prices, including individual users themselves, the greater the capital they have, the greater the influence on the market,
so we know as the whales, with a very large amount of capital they can have a big influence by playing demand and supply..

Well i believe that there are big whales on the market because there are so many big dump on the history of btc today that is really from the big investors because no small investors that can aford that big ampint of btc. I believe that they are manipulating price to gain from the panic sellers. They will buy the coin from those who get panic and dump thier coin in a very small price.

I think there is no questions that bitcoin is manipulated in several ways.  I belive the exchanges have manipulated bitcoins price since their existance.  If you think about it, no one was overlooking the exchanges for years.  Some exchanges have next to no regulatiion or oversight what so ever.  it's hard to believe all these exchanges were compltely honest with us..and if they ever are today.

There's that, among many other factors such as discussed in the article.

Manipulation plus Panic. Combine that two and you will see a drop of price and its applicable even in the stock market or business. one goal of those price manipulators is to cause a panic, to show to the people that price is going down and its time to sell, so when they sell, those with huge bankroll can start buying again and will cause FOMO so price will start to go up again.

You are right but you have to remember that human beings are psychological creatures, not perfectly rational beings. If several major players collude to dump bitcoin, it will cause the price to fall fast creating panic among holders. The weak hands start selling off/dumping in fear of further price fall and this creates a snowballing effect. The mass sell off causes price to fall further, causing even more panic and more dumping, price falls even further, more panic, more price falling...

It becomes a vicious cycle.

There is no evidence of this manipulations but it is pretty obvious that Bitcoin is being manipulated by some powerful hands over the market and the dip isn't a normal dip it is being dumped so hard. I read some article about this kind of dirty tactics and who are the people behind this, the article is way back in 2017 and I already forgot what's the title and website did I read it but it is referring to some kind of syndicate that manipulates the Crypto Currency market with their combinations of tactics like spreading FUD and FOMO.
Manipulation is one of the major things why the Securities and Exchange Commission would not approve all of the Bitcoin's exchange-traded fund or ETF. But I hope they'll approve it now after they re-review it again and they said that the deadline for their announcement is on February 2019.

I don't think that Tether is a reserve scam but It is used by those manipulators whenever they wanted to bring down the price of Bitcoin they'll surely switch to Tether to preserve its value but real evidence is the key in here and that is the on that the investigators are still lacking.

Several people thinks that falling price of bitcoin is manipulated by some people, well i guess so, and i also think that more probably reason of bitcoin's price is the continuing panic selling volume coins, the price would be affected if several panic sellers do this.

It probably ia. We can see that it also happens, months ago the bad news spreads out and the market goes down, and now the market supposedly goes up but then another negative news are up. Negative or bads news has really a huge impact to the bitcoin market. It should be avoided, or removed.

Really the WRONG question is being asked here, the first question is-was "Was the parabolic rise of bitcoin in the year 2017 orchestrated?"

The answer is YES, hell yes, there wasn't a press in CHINA not telling people in June 2017, to 'buy bitcoin', to the moon, all over the world people saw btc go from $1k to $21k during that year, was it orchestrated, promoted? and the HODL, to keep the bag-holders holding,...

Now we all pretty much know who raised the price of btc, it was the whales, the winkelvoss holders, ... blah-blah

Now smart people know that ALL PARABOLIC RISES end in collapse, no parabolic rise in history has not been followed by collapse, its the nature of things, as parabolic rises are NOT NATURAL, they're always man-made engineered 'crowd hysteria',

Ok, so now the engineers of the parabolic rise, take their profits, cuz that's what smart people do, only IDIOTS, MORONS, and FOOLS "HODL".

The other thing that happened in Dec 2017 is that FUTURES went online, which meant whales could sell with covered insurance, they all had been waiting, but nobody could sell HUGE blocks, without effecting price, but futures were a way to cover the drop that followed, so you had massive selling by whales in 2017,

Following xmas the banks shut down credit cards, with already 50% drop in BTC many people who had bought btc 100% financed, were looking at not being able to pay their credit card debt, so they sold their btc, ... and then the ripple effect started,

In summary, the collapse meant nothing, what to look at was the criminals ( exchanges ) and ponzi promoters that pushed the 'HODL' narrative in 2017.

Manipulation with VTS in my opinion is definitely there, if Bitcoin drops, it means that someone needs it. Interestingly, a small number of people have disappeared to the cue ball, mostly people with a small volume who sell in panic. At this time, the big holders are buying up.

indeed many whales in crypto can influence market prices, manipulation has been going on for a long time for their personal interests, my advice is that you don't panic because if you panic and sell assets, it will only worsen the situation.

Manipulation is everywhere. Social media and other mediums that could influence other people's decision is one way of manipulation.
Haters of bitcoin is really happy now seeing this huge dips. They just don't know that these downfall of bitcoin's value is an opportunity
for each and everyone of us to purchase at a discounted price for I'm pretty sure that crypto market will correct itself soon.

There are some factors that can cause the price of bitcoin to go down like hacking of a major crypto exchanges and government moves against the cryptocurrencies. But some people believe that the recent sharp drop of price of bitcoin was caused by manipulators or whales who want the price to go down more. There are also report that crypto trading bots might also manipulating the price but it need more research to prove it true.

I think it is caused by the fear of the investors,
They tend to sell their crypto when they feel unsafe and it would cause a huge effect on the price if more investors would do it ,it could destroy the price.

US justice department has no jurisdiction in bitcoin market to want to investigate shit about manipulation. not to mention that market manipulation in bitcoin is not something that you can investigate and prove, although it is obvious but there is nothing illegal going on.

the biggest players to smallest fish (from JP Morgan CEO to newbies on bitcointalk) are spreading FUD about bitcoin. nobody has ever arrested them for bullshitting since there is no tax on bullshits.
and on the market whales can sell a large amount of bitcoin to crash the market easily. you can not legally call that manipulation although it is. because they simply sold and you can not prosecute someone because of selling something.

I really think bitcoin price is been manipulated not just bitcoin the whole market is under manipulation