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I just came across a paper written by John Griffin and Amin Shams which states that the bitcoin price was being stabilized because of a coordinated price manipulation with tether.
I respect empirical studies but I don't want to believe that. Many have become millionaires because of their investments in bitcoin and other cryptos, which is what attracted even more investors as these new currencies were being adopted by many to conduct business.
I am still a bit puzzled by the results of the study.

I never subscribed to conspiracy theories about Bitcoin and peoole in dark suits manioulating the entire system.
Bitcoin is an asset which has a speculative value.

Your topic is directly related to bitcoin, you might want to move it over to Bitcoin discussion

how many people have many opinions. One thing I can say with confidence is that there are manipulators on the market and they fully control the price of Bitcoin

I think so as well. It's even curious that they're doing it now that bitcoin is mainstream. What's going on?


Yes, I should've.

you know, it is really to figure out what is going on behind the crypto business. and such publicity, do you think if it eas a real reason they would let it appear that easily? we should think for ourselves, i reckon

Just to let you know in any industry there will always be manipulation that will happen may it be in news,  information, people or even prices and cryptocurrency is not exempt from it as it is being run like the stocks or forex which to has price manipulation in one way or another and you should just start to accept it and adapt to it.

because the fluktuatif and speculative value that's why many community has speculative price for bitcoinin future.
they created theory and conspiracy about cryptocurrency

Completely true, when money and human are involved.
Manipulation is part of the game, no matter how hard you try to refuse it you can not change the fact that everything gets manipulated by someone/group.
and remember, the one who decided the number of everything is human.
as long as it has a value, it can go up or down depend on the setter themself.

  Price manipulation has been an issue in Crypto Market Trading before, look back on some posted news on social media you find some. Anyway, the recent market massive sell off affects the market price value nose dive to a very low level, not to mention the negative news posted in social media, plus the issue on Regulation by government whom very critical on the Crypto Currency Digital Transaction to be adopted on the main stream market transaction, these really contribute to the low confidence level by the crypto market investors resulting to the massive sell off. Market is very Volatile.

I would like the market to get rid of the manipulators as we are ordinary investors because of them we suffer very much and with our money

We already know for a fact that big institutions are the ones behind the price manipulation, but we remain passive and reject anything that does not depend on them. Blame the problem on yourself.

Well that's the sad reality.

It has been said many times about the market is being manipulated by few whales. They drive the price down so they can manipulate it and get a good entry point to have those coins at the best price that they can. And as they enter, when the market starts to get into that point of increasing period, you'll notice them buy.

Who are the manipulators, according to you?

I can't see any reason how bitcoin can be manipulated other than buying it by the whales in the market. Cryptocurrencies mainly increase their market value through listing on an exchange which resulting to more investors investing it.

Any investments and businesses can be manipulated as long as you have a huge source of financial resources at your disposal therefore manipulation in crypto market movements is possible and normal as it also involved money. Without the investments without the money a certain investment will be nothing so be used to the manipulation and just focus on how we could ride with them with a perfect timing.

When huge amount of money is at stake what do you expect,manipulation as been the order of the day in crypto,some people somewhere trying to see how far they can GI with crypto.

Very rich and smart people manipulate the market. They calculate all the details and lower or raise the price as they want. We can't affect it in any way. Those who have the lion's share of cryptocurrencies in their hands will rule the ball.

the fact that altcoins are getting dumped in the past couple of weeks or possibly months has nothing to do with market manipulation. it is the natural course that a pumped altcoin should take as the money exits to get the profit out of them since nobody has any real faith in their future.s

the market manipulation of altcoins was mainly happening last year when they were getting pumped a lot and rose to stupidly unrealistic price levels and you were happy thinking they are being adopted for real! that was a fake pump aka manipulation not this dump that is the natural thing to follow that up.

Exactly, majority of altcoins are just for pump-and-dump scheme and even projects cannot control it because they're part of the problem and the biggest profits goes to them.

Yeah, still remember that specially in December. There are coins you rose to dramatic levels and then a lot FOMO'ed thinking this is real. But since we're in the bull market back then, no one noticed and enjoying the ride. But as soon as the market goes on bearish trend, those pump-and-dump coins or manipulation or sorts are very evident.

This is common across industries. Human nature makes it so that people follow hype and fomo in. Look at stock prices or forex. If you're trading then being able to spot this and ride with it will help you a lot.

I guess that the cryptocurrency market is controlled by large players who make huge profits with the help of the well-known technology "pump and dump". True, unlike the "pumps and dumps" carried out in small altcoins, here the strategies are much more stretched both in time and in the amount of money invested. Obviously, the cryptocurrency market expects many positive innovations in the near future, that will make the price of the BTC grow to new ATHs. However, the price of Bitcoin was artificially lowered in order to take possession of the money of small investors, buy on the bottoms as many coins as possible and then carry out a powerful pump.

In fact, more than 80% of investors have suffered losses this year, and those who are profitable are these price controllers! But manipulating bitcoin is very difficult because it is very expensive!

The price manipulation of the cryptocurrency market is very serious, because when you have enough encryption, you can easily determine the number of encrypted transactions and their prices!

Cryptocurrency has attracted a lot of investors due to people making testimonies that they became millionaire through investing on this and it does continue to lure more investors now even if bitcoin is experiencing a crash right now. We can't deny the fact that there are speculations that bitcoin's price is manipulated and i tend to believe that it is true.

Big whales made a big impact on the crypto market and collapsed the coin values, just to scare Panic sellers. I never expected the market will go down for such a low price in the last quarter, I guess we need to wait for few more months.

I think bitcoin is still strong. We just have some many big manipulators trying to keep the market low.
Recovery could take some time. We have to stay strong and adapt at times.

We need to know how we will react correctly, the market was been manipulated and more of those people around this industry are losing their money since they don't know how to play well with big whales, if we will study how they make an impact we will be able to anticipate the next movements the more the market being shaken the more we should invest our money, after this, money will flow back again inside the market.

It's normal in any business that those who have money will manipulate and take advantage with the weakness of others. I will just go with the direction of bitcoin as this will give us profits if we have patience to wait for the bounce back.

The price of bitcoin is being stabilized? That statement is quite difficult for me to digest.Market manipulation is actually not just a thought from self that makes it happen,there is only supply and demand in the market as in other markets.

people have been trying to connect bitcoin and its price to a lot of things, including tether for a long time because these people can not analyze the market as it really is so they start using weird things to justify what they can not explain.

and when it comes to altcoins the market manipulation is so huge that you can't even deny it. but you can to explain it either. all you can do is either stay away or learn to take advantage and make some money from it.

Well I believe since bitcoin is a decentralized currency and is not controlled by any individual or government it price will always be subjected to it depends in the market, that is more control and volatility and I think that is the real freedom we are talking about there.

Maybe everything is not so drastic, but nonetheless, Bitcoin is a digital currency, which is very easy to manipulate by investing and withdrawing large investments!

The manipulation do take place in crypto and that should not be new to every crypto user that the stable price of bitcoin was a function of manipulation which was used to let the price stay above $6000 for a while before we see this crash again and if no one believe then is left to the person with his own opinion.

Currently, Bitcoin is an excellent tool for enriching banks, because they have access to the largest stock exchanges, and therefore the ability to manipulate the price. Considering that in fact, the volume of transactions outside the stock exchange is much larger than the volume of transactions on the stock exchange - this is an excellent way to transfer Bitcoin from small holders to large ones.

I will definitely read this article, but it seems to me that in order for the price to stabilize, developers still need to spend a lot of updates and add many functions

And I believe in the manipulation of the market and the collusion of exchanges. Could not the price of BTC so quickly rise last year. She was picked up at her. then to sell more expensive.

this market is totally manipulated, that's why even big players are getting destroyed losing millions of dollars. Today, another bull trap. BTC down by almost 9%.

6 months ago i said this market was dying. Look at my signature and when did i change my mind, and you'll see if i'm wrong or not.

From the start we all knew that this is business, the founder and creator of this forum is the owner and we are just a worker inorder to progress this business and earned or gain more profit, the big whales made their way by manipulating the market so we can sell our tokens as cheapest price then afterwards they sold it at big price, so this is the game of generals...

Unfortunately, stable coins were being used to manipulate the price of cryptocurrency. Well, it was very obvious that a group of traders are very coordinated which are being controlled by the whales to bring down the price of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Regulating the exchanges should be prioritize where those fraudulent activities like market manipulation must be detected and those people behind that should be imprisoned.

This accusation must accompanied with evidence so we better look at it as positive information. Market manipulation was possible if do you have a huge capital to gain and control the trading price and volume but the question was is this already happening for me it has need to be supported with factual evidence.

At the moment, you do not need to be a cryptography guru to see the manipulations in the crypto market. These people do not stop. The market continues to be wild. Institutional investors do not want to invest that is why. Too much risk. Too many manipulations ... :(

Market manipulation is possible, whales are driving the price crazily. I think whales agree to pump or dump the price for them to take advantage of it and become even more rich. Cryptocurrency price is driven by the market demand, and price increase and drop also affects the market activity. So, whales or big investors has a huge role on the market price.

The market is very much subject to manipulation. This is a consequence of very poor regulation. But this is only the beginning. I am sure that next year the market will become much stronger. We look forward to the launch of the Bakkt trading floor and the commencement of Nasdaq exchange futures trading. I think that this will give impetus to the development of the market.

People are greedy for their personal interest and they will use their power to get what they wanted. This is the reason that they will create FUD to distract the attention of the small time investors to sell their coins and those manipulators will be happy to buy it at cheaper price.

It seems that indeed today the market conditions are purely manipulation. of course this is very sad. because nowadays when many people hope that price increases will actually occur, the market will experience a significant decline

My opinion is that the market at this stage of development is completely subject to manipulation and until we fix it, the big trust from investors and ordinary users will not achieve cryptocurrency. Most likely that this can be used if you are able to analyze and predict the moves of the manipulators, but this is more an adventure than making a profit.

It could be market manipulation. Who knows? I've heard  plenty of buzz around the net about it. But you know what? I don't want to know if it's true or not. I just don't want to get my head around things like that. I'm sticking to my theory that the market will evolve and eventually stabilize.

Manipulations in different class of trading asset like bitcoin can loud or subtle, the bottomline here is that market manipulation happen everywhere. It's hightime we start resisting people that demonize bitcoin. Many criminal activities were been carriedout by fiat not bitcoin!

If any force is strong enough to push the market up again then that is a great thing, but now we will not have any chance they are always afraid of too many people holding. Hold and wait for the opportunity to sell

Growth will occur, but when it happens it is very difficult to say. It seems to me that due to the manipulation of many investors to sell their BTC for very small money. Although we all know that the market will grow , but when growth will begin no one can answer. I think BTC will long be around $ 5,000 .

Of course growth will occur, but when it'll happen, the people who are gonna be making money off them will be the always powerful top 1%. But it's up to us to decide whether we're gonna let it happen or do something about it by choosing our own payment circuits.

I don't think tat the point is to demonize bitcoin but rather warn others that in the near future, the average Joe won't be able to make money from trading cryptos. We gave that right to the banks and the corporate moguls.

research is not necessarily uncertain, do not be affected by the news because such news is sometimes true and sometimes wrong.
more amenable, we just follow the path in front of us, get rid of negative thoughts and instill positive thoughts

We can evaluate, assess, and speculate about the issue of price manipulation, but there's no way to prove without doubt its truth. This is what could be most probably true, there are people who hold huge amount of coins. From economics point of view, they can become price manipulators.

Who do you think has enough financial means to manipulate cryptos' prices?

Yup. The bitcoin/cryptocurrency market can actually be manipulated. Whales can manipulate the price of the market buy dumping or pumping a coin. There are trade bots on exchanges that can really play a vital role in price manipulation. Tether can be used to bend the price of bitcoin. There are some conspiracies which states that bitcoin price has been manipulated in 2017 with the help of tether.  Not sure if it is true, but is indeed possible.

So that no one will tell you, but those who invested in Bitcoin at the time when it was very cheap were the first to become millionaires. Those who invest in Bitcoin at a price of ten thousand dollars and higher, will not become millionaires, they are late.

Well care to drop the files here or the links to that study I'm pretty sure many will be interested on how they are doing that and if they can do that to Bitcoin it can be done to any coin as well, and in fact there are so many pumped and dumped coins in the market right now.

there is have the proof, market bitcoin is pure growth with community, but i just know when some people with manybitcoin them can just make price goin to up or down not manipulation

price manipulation often seems like the current war between haschrate bchsv and bchabc makes price manipulation a lot and a lot of traders are affected by this price manipulation which makes a lot of losses. to study this is very difficult because of unpredictable price manipulation.

I agree that there are manipulators in the cryptocurrency market, perhaps Wall Street investors. But I also believe that the manipulator is not just a Wall Street investor, maybe a war between whales and whales. The manipulation is also good, they can let Bitcoin take off again.

Are you serious? Do you really want to own something whose value can be altered to easily?

You seem like it's a reality you want to accept. Given that you want Wall Street to control the markets, I am not surprised about their downs which lead to tremendous loss for average folks.

Yes, I also think that the cryptocurrency market is controlled. The market value of the cryptocurrency market is not high. The big capitalists can easily influence the price, especially Wall Street Finance. I think they are the original bitcoin promoters. The current price is deception. Investors, the price of bitcoin will still fall.

The direction price moves is based on manipulation and speculation in the market. Whales are the ones who control the market to go up and down quickly and also fall quickly, cause they invest huge amount of money unlike any other investors. And since the market is volatile, any huge amount they invest will always push the market to any direction. That’s why sometimes you will see small investors form a team to manipulate small cryptocurrencies.

I don't subscribe to this manipulation by Tether theory, I prefer to think that this is the interference of the futures and options trading elements that make it profitable for the price of Bitcoin to fall not just rise.

i think market manipulation is normal in this space. bull market and then all of a sudden its going down really bad. history repeats itself and we make new ath. just be careful i said this. it gets so bad at times in crypto. but u wait till it dips even further.

I have no doubts that the market is manipulated and unfortunately we cannot affect the market with our small parts of it. But I still believe in crypto currencies and I am sure that the manipulators are going to make profit as well.

There are indeed very serious price manipulations on the market, especially the new altcoin. Many of my friends have paid a painful price for this!

If it is true that the price of bitcoin continues to decline due to market manipulation, I think this is very unsportsmanlike and certainly will harm many parties. But I want to say to this day, that the situation of bitcoin prices has declined is still reasonable if it should be compared with the price of bitcoin a few years ago. This is cryptocurrency, a price that can change without knowing the season and time!

Yes there are market manipulations especially those rich people that are investing on crypto and then spam on telegram channels for the pump of the crypto but later on it will found out that the crypto they are pumping will be also having a huge market price fall down. This is one of their manipulation activities. Aside from that there are others like controlling the crypto in the market with their capacity of investment where they can pump up the crypto and then pulled out altogether at once.

Market manipulation is real in crypto and has been there with money related activities even before the introduction of crypto too.
When ever human is involved with money, there will always be room for manipulation by man.

The charge of manipulation must be accompanied by evidence. However, I will say more - I, as an investor, arrange manipulations. I view the manipulations as positive information. Market manipulations are possible if the participants have a huge working capital. This is necessary to obtain and control the trading price and volume of altcoin. This can make a few people.

Large players manipulate the market because the crowd does not understand how to manage their capital and this will continue for a very long time, until the market starts to grow and the circle closes again.

Why can't you agree with the conspiracy tyoria? Anything can happen. Unfortunately, we do not know everything in this world.
Maybe bitcoin is a financial pyramid. Look at the ETH how you can lose your price so quickly. Bitcoin also continues to fall. Who will say where the end is - no.

Who controls the market? Maybe this is a conspiracy of large investors.

The crypto market is relatively small and it is highly manipulative. I can imagine all sort of manipulations
going on, as different investors have different interests on the market. For example: those who are shorting
BTC from those who are backing it.

Yeaa before it was the bitcoin cash hash war which has been the main suspect for the price fall but now its different. I think this is just another correlation of the world market.

The stocks are also down and from what I've read it's whopping around $200M in flash were gone.

All they care is with themselves, they see a potential and they are trying to manipulate it with such moves.  :-X

I don't even know about how they can manipulate the market. However, I also believe that some may be able to manipulate it, control the market, and make the market down too fast and most of us will be very shock. WHat happen today is the some news also may support this condition. Well, talking the market manipulation and market drop are such a dizzy thing.

I doubt that any person or group of people can manipulate the price of bitcoins due to the huge market capitalization and different people holding it with different goals.

There are people in the market who can manipulate prices. And only they can know when and how much the price of bitcoin will be able to rise. But we must always think for ourselves. We have to choose the moment to buy and sell.

Until now there are more more many discussions about bitcoin manipution and i still not trust about this argumentation for digital currency control by rich whales.

For thise people believe that bitcoin or cryptocurrency will gives better life in the future it's is possible new technology gives for the people opportunity to change their lives.