Title: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Frink on November 21, 2018, 08:20:13 AM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important?
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Anti-Cen on November 21, 2018, 10:45:00 AM I would just say
"decentralization" is not using "off-block" mini banking nodes and calling them "Lightning Hubs" because not everyone is fooled So called "decentralization" lead to miners ripping us off for $55 per transaction but now these scammers are being ran out of town and you can pick up mining rigs for free https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-20/whats-happening-now-crypto-devastation-collapses-hash-rate-forces-miners-dump-rigs They make fantastic space heaters they do. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: aray80 on November 21, 2018, 07:31:42 PM Actually it is very difficult to describe decentralization briefly because it is feared that errors will occur in interpreting the meaning, but if the meaning is decentralized blockchain, one of the parts is a system that is controlled by the users of the system.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: randythered on November 21, 2018, 07:35:11 PM There's a difference between describing with decentralized means and what it means for bitcoin. I would explain the definition of the word, or how I interpret it and it's as simple as there not being any one or more central entities that have control.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: franky1 on November 21, 2018, 09:13:37 PM decentralisation is no central point of failure
however as the core bug last month proved where people needed to upgrade. and surprisingly had to upgrade from one source site. and also using code from one dev team that stayed quiet about the bug until they could patch it in secret and then go public once a patch was released. is not the case of decentralisation.. the network is distributed in as far as full nodes are concerned. (and now comes the defenders who will mis-define and debate the definition of full nodes) Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: maianh09 on November 21, 2018, 09:32:36 PM I just told my friends: Crypto is like the best way to hide your wealth, no one can know and control their money. Transactions are transparent and do not need to be passed on to any third party. You can quickly deal with people all over the world wherever you want with just the internet.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: HabBear on November 21, 2018, 09:35:39 PM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? Decentralization means that one person or entity can't control bitcoin, it takes a community of people and entities to run and evolve the bitcoin ecosystem. It's important because of all the curroptioin we've seen in centralized control of money systems and governments. A person can be corrupt, a community can fight corruption. I would just say "decentralization" is not using "off-block" mini banking nodes and calling them "Lightning Hubs" because not everyone is fooled What? I just told my friends: Crypto is like the best way to hide your wealth, no one can know and control their money. Transactions are transparent and do not need to be passed on to any third party. You can quickly deal with people all over the world wherever you want with just the internet. What do you friends say as they watch their wealth disappear over the last two weeks? Does best not equal the actual performance of the investment? Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: pixie85 on November 21, 2018, 10:42:40 PM To make it short and simple decentralization is private custody. It's independence. When you own something that you can move around freely and that nobody can take from you hiding behind some law or authority. Things that you have to get a license to use are centralized. They depend on others to function.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Frink on November 21, 2018, 10:55:07 PM Thanks for all the great answers everyone!
My new coin that is launching soon (old website: www.frink.global (http://www.frink.global)) allows everyone to mine as an equal... what I'm trying to figure out is how to concisely explain this concept. Equal mining rights? Everyone mines equal? Equal control over the currency/network? You have any other thoughts for how to describe this concept? I'd ideally like to avoid the word mining so everyday people get it. The benefits are both control, and everyone basically gets their share of Frink's "profits". decentralisation is no central point of failure however as the core bug last month proved where people needed to upgrade. and surprisingly had to upgrade from one source site. and also using code from one dev team that stayed quiet about the bug until they could patch it in secret and then go public once a patch was released. is not the case of decentralisation.. the network is distributed in as far as full nodes are concerned. (and now comes the defenders who will mis-define and debate the definition of full nodes) Interesting, what would you have done differently? How do you think it should've been handled? Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: aliceHortrex on November 21, 2018, 11:01:34 PM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? Very easy: I explain the existence of the Internet. There are principles of work, when a few small items are completely dependent in their work on the large, and there are where a few small items work in conjunction with each other and thus provide themselves with the opportunity to exist. Such an explanation scheme is always very accessible to people who are very far from the blockchain. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: franky1 on November 22, 2018, 08:16:22 AM Interesting, what would you have done differently? How do you think it should've been handled? i took a little look at your project and see some issues. a person can create 51~(1 first tier 49 second tier) fake social media profiles and add himself to get f1,000 and then from there, repeat using the other profiles and then move the funds into one address. basically you end up with 1 person ending up with a circle of himself and accumulating f1000 per alter ego just by making 1 new profile and linking to the 50 older profiles created. you will not need to inflate your currency. because the referral plan you have will hyper inflate new currency, all by itself. also you say about inflating the spending.. then giving "interest" to the savers.. basic economics is that the"interest" (making new currency to give to savers) is inflation aswell. thus you are inflating the currency in 3 ways 1. coin creation via referrals 2. coin creation in spending 3. coin creation in savings inflation is BAD. people dont want it where f1000 would buy a loaf of bread today. but tomorrow it requires 1020 to buy some bread lastly. about inflations. you say that exchanges will store funds in 'spending'.. nope. its like 'hotwallets' exchanges only keep 1-5% of customers funds in 'spending' and then have 95-99% in cold wallets. which in your project would be a savings address .. as for decentralisation. well if all the referrals are the same person of a circle. thats not decentralisation. sometimes you have to realise that code cannot solve social issues. yea cryptography can reduce hackers ability to get your passwords. but a hammer to someones knuckles or knee joints until the scream out the password cannot be protected by cryptography. as for mining you mention limiting the size of pools. again this is not good. here is an example. (il drop the numbers down for easy demo) if a pool can only have 5 identities. then one person will just make 10 pools or 5 people (that are real who are in the same family). will have 1 people ID per pool each and run 50 pools using each of their alterego's per pool thus all controlling all the mining in one family as for the payout for 'mining' 35 years to double that circulation.. meaning 35 years to double each persons F1000 holdings. an average persons 'savings' is about a weks grocerys to a couple months salary. they wont want to run a program for 35 years where the pay out calculates to double their currency in 35 years. and yet have the value of that currency dwindle down via the savings and referral inflations much sooner (i stopped reading your project at this point as the flaws were outwaying good economic logic) summary. i dont think you really thought out the economics of your project right. everything seems upside down and offering the opposite to what cryptocurrencies are all about. it seems you more than likely come from the MLM community. i can see many solutions to many other issues i didnt mention and also solutions to ones have mentioned. but your project does not show sustainability in its current form Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Trinity_boy on November 22, 2018, 08:25:43 AM When explaining decentralization of cryptocurrency to someone who is new or totally has no idea what cryptocurrencies are, it has to be as simple as possible. I will say that cryptocurrencies are decentralized because it's not regulated by any government, banks or any other entity which means that you as an investor is the one who controls it. That simple and easy to understand. Quite enticing too, right?
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: serjent05 on November 22, 2018, 10:55:36 AM Well its quite complicated because the word itself is easy to define as it is just the opposite of centralization but when it comes to crypto, I easily tell them, its not controlled by anyone but you. Not government, not bank not territories and not time. It is solely yours or theirs and they manage it however they want in their own time, own place and own way.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: davlewis on November 22, 2018, 12:43:24 PM According to me, decentralization basically means the delegation of authority and power unlike centralization where the power lies with a single body.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Wind_FURY on November 24, 2018, 07:23:31 AM decentralisation is no central point of failure however as the core bug last month proved where people needed to upgrade. and surprisingly had to upgrade from one source site. and also using code from one dev team that stayed quiet about the bug until they could patch it in secret and then go public once a patch was released. is not the case of decentralisation.. the network is distributed in as far as full nodes are concerned. (and now comes the defenders who will mis-define and debate the definition of full nodes) But the "man" himself said, Quote I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea. So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network. I believe the essence of "rejecting" other implementations is not political, but more technical, to the convenience of the people who like to spread misinformation. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: nahotachikwem on November 24, 2018, 11:57:09 AM I will always tell my friends that there is a decentralized currency 'Bitcoin'. It is not regulated by any centralized body or government. One has a full right over her assets.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Peacemaker1994 on November 24, 2018, 12:23:35 PM Decentralisation is simply and concisely defined as being without any form of regulations from any external or internal bodies, institution or government
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: yowelfree on November 24, 2018, 12:27:46 PM Decentralization is one of the words that is used in the crypto. Bitcoin is a decentralized currency which is not controlled by any central body but by individuals.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: metalglowd on November 24, 2018, 01:40:09 PM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? for me, introducing crypto to ordinary people is not something important. even if they ask me about crypto, I will only answer what needs to be answered. so no need to explain in detail. yes maybe a little advice about the risks that have to make them careful is important Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Frink on November 24, 2018, 09:53:28 PM Interesting, what would you have done differently? How do you think it should've been handled? i took a little look at your project and see some issues. a person can create 51~(1 first tier 49 second tier) fake social media profiles and add himself to get f1,000 and then from there, repeat using the other profiles and then move the funds into one address. basically you end up with 1 person ending up with a circle of himself and accumulating f1000 per alter ego just by making 1 new profile and linking to the 50 older profiles created. you will not need to inflate your currency. because the referral plan you have will hyper inflate new currency, all by itself. also you say about inflating the spending.. then giving "interest" to the savers.. basic economics is that the"interest" (making new currency to give to savers) is inflation aswell. thus you are inflating the currency in 3 ways 1. coin creation via referrals 2. coin creation in spending 3. coin creation in savings inflation is BAD. people dont want it where f1000 would buy a loaf of bread today. but tomorrow it requires 1020 to buy some bread lastly. about inflations. you say that exchanges will store funds in 'spending'.. nope. its like 'hotwallets' exchanges only keep 1-5% of customers funds in 'spending' and then have 95-99% in cold wallets. which in your project would be a savings address .. as for decentralisation. well if all the referrals are the same person of a circle. thats not decentralisation. sometimes you have to realise that code cannot solve social issues. yea cryptography can reduce hackers ability to get your passwords. but a hammer to someones knuckles or knee joints until the scream out the password cannot be protected by cryptography. as for mining you mention limiting the size of pools. again this is not good. here is an example. (il drop the numbers down for easy demo) if a pool can only have 5 identities. then one person will just make 10 pools or 5 people (that are real who are in the same family). will have 1 people ID per pool each and run 50 pools using each of their alterego's per pool thus all controlling all the mining in one family as for the payout for 'mining' 35 years to double that circulation.. meaning 35 years to double each persons F1000 holdings. an average persons 'savings' is about a weks grocerys to a couple months salary. they wont want to run a program for 35 years where the pay out calculates to double their currency in 35 years. and yet have the value of that currency dwindle down via the savings and referral inflations much sooner (i stopped reading your project at this point as the flaws were outwaying good economic logic) summary. i dont think you really thought out the economics of your project right. everything seems upside down and offering the opposite to what cryptocurrencies are all about. it seems you more than likely come from the MLM community. i can see many solutions to many other issues i didnt mention and also solutions to ones have mentioned. but your project does not show sustainability in its current form Hey Franky1, I appreciate the feedback, that being said, you're wrong or misunderstanding a lot of this. I don't want to side track this thread though. Will PM you to discuss this with you. Give me about a day having a, busy day. For everyone else: -The social network is used to protect from Sybil attack. We have proven that you can use this to defend against them. - We are not inflating the currency by creating more becaus we are simply expanding the money supply to grow appointed the number of users for price stability. - Yes interest causes inflation of the currency, that's the point. But because you are being paid your own interest for money in your own account, it cancels itself out. A unit of currency loses some value due to inflation, but the individual users do not lose the value of their money. Matt Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Dexion on November 24, 2018, 10:34:53 PM explaining decentralized to others people is something very important, because this is part of a positive contribution to the crypto world, so, when many people know decentralized systems, the trade volume will increase better.
there are some things that must be considered to explain this system to others. 1. make simple concepts and material about decentralized systems 2. make a simple analogy 3. explain the differences centralized and decentralized in detail. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: miropp on November 24, 2018, 11:51:47 PM You decide what will happen to your funds. You can use them at any time, transfer them from anywhere. The parties are only you and the recipient of the crypto. There are no middlemen.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: zhengqi on November 24, 2018, 11:55:42 PM Prices for crypto are formed due to demand for it. There is no single authority that could regulate crypto. It is subject to sharp jumps and changes in value. This is decentralization.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: flying_bit on November 25, 2018, 12:52:17 AM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? plain and simple, decentralization means no middlemen/third party involve in all transaction...just you and the party involve. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Wind_FURY on November 26, 2018, 09:05:09 AM decentralisation is no central point of failure however as the core bug last month proved where people needed to upgrade. and surprisingly had to upgrade from one source site. and also using code from one dev team that stayed quiet about the bug until they could patch it in secret and then go public once a patch was released. is not the case of decentralisation.. the network is distributed in as far as full nodes are concerned. (and now comes the defenders who will mis-define and debate the definition of full nodes) But the "man" himself said, Quote I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea. So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network. I believe the essence of "rejecting" other implementations is not political, but more technical, to the convenience of the people who like to spread misinformation. Franky1, can we have your opinion on Satoshi's thoughts on having another implementation of Bitcoin? I believe he made it very clear that it would be very bad for the network. Maybe the debate is more technical than political, than what the anti-Core group believes it should be? Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Frink on November 26, 2018, 10:33:47 PM Decentralisation is simply and concisely defined as being without any form of regulations from any external or internal bodies, institution or government I would agree that is the purpose of decentralization. To create a currency that cannot be tracked or controlled by anyone other than the sender and receiver. The purpose of decentralization is to not trust or grant any one person with enough power to cheat the system or infringe on anyone's rights. When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? plain and simple, decentralization means no middlemen/third party involve in all transaction...just you and the party involve. I like that except that you could argue when it comes to cryptocurrency, there is always a middleman involved the transaction. It's just not a single middleman. That certainly is the goal though. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: franky1 on November 27, 2018, 04:51:40 AM But the "man" himself said, Quote I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea. So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network. I believe the essence of "rejecting" other implementations is not political, but more technical, to the convenience of the people who like to spread misinformation. Franky1, can we have your opinion on Satoshi's thoughts on having another implementation of Bitcoin? I believe he made it very clear that it would be very bad for the network. Maybe the debate is more technical than political, than what the anti-Core group believes it should be? but thats the beauty of consensus. to reject rule changes unless majority agree its the whole point its why satoshi solved the byzantine generals issue. by having consensus rules there can be alternative brands on the network. they all follow current rulesets. . as for upgrades the network has to choose what they (whole community) jointly go for. but if there is only one general making orders and holding and writing the rulebook(one brand) then there is no choice. its just follow the new rules this single general has written or end up being left out. also read the entire context. not just someones 'cut' of a quote read this Quote A second version would be a massive development and maintenance hassle for me. It's hard enough maintaining backward compatibility while upgrading the network without a second version locking things in. If the second version screwed up, the user experience would reflect badly on both, although it would at least reinforce to users the importance of staying with the official version. If someone was getting ready to fork a second version, I would have to air a lot of disclaimers about the risks of using a minority version. This is a design where the majority version wins if there's any disagreement, and that can be pretty ugly for the minority version and I'd rather not go into it, and I don't have to as long as there's only one version.[/b] read it. and then without bias. read it as if satoshi was the minority. so you can see both sides of his argument.HE cant simply upgrade if he is the minority.(EG imagine he wanted to remove code to cause a fee war or promote a non-blockchain network)(EG imagine he became corrupt/malicious) notice how HE is talking about how its a hassle for HIM (sole controller/general/central point) cant just upgrade if there are alternative versions. again thats the beauty of consensus. no one should have central control the november 2016-spring 2017 was a good show of it in action. (65%no : 35%yes to segwit1x) events in timeline order late 2015: core proposed segwit1mb. community wanted more than 1mb. some wanted 16mb, 8mb, 4mb.... a consensus agreement came in a variant of segwit2x. ill call it segwit2mb to seperate the agreement from the later variant called segwit2x the segwit2mb would have got high majority acceptance. and was the consensus/compromised agreement of late 2015 early 2016: luke JR backed out of segwit2mb by saying his initial agreement of segwit2mb was a empty non contractual agreement and he no longer wants to abide by it because he is not in power enough to code anything to enforce core can put it into code. (yet a year later lukejr releases mandated code(UASF) as well as other 3 card tricks.. to force in segwit1x(hypocrite)) november 2016: core released a consensus vote of segwit1x with hopes of activation by christmas..... spring 2017: still no majority. core was sat at 35% and struggling to move core got a no vote for segwit1mb because core backed out of an early varient of segwit2x which was the communitys agreement of compromise from 65% wanting more baseblock (some originally wanted 16mb, 8mb, then 4) and the 35% wanting a 1mb baseblock and segwit.. if there was 1 brand. core would have got segwit1mb activated in christmas 2016 but would have had 65% unhappy community left stalled out and a "menace to the network". but instead of core going going back to a segwit2mb agreement. core doubled down on only wanting segwit1mb (luke and his colleagues released the other kardashian drama of a possibility of segwit2x but only if segwit1mb is activated first(NYA agreement (DCG.CO)).. this is the reference to luke being a hypocrit above where the USAF+NYA MANDATED segwit1mb and threw off the 65% out of the vote because of "backward compatible" nodes dont need to opt-in to segwit1mb.. and any opposers not "compatible" are banned/rejected) summer 2017: core got what they wanted. yet the community is still divided bitcoin is not meant to be one general making and updating the rules. its meant to be the army of generals(community) upholding the law and the community to decide on new laws a reference client should not be a rule MAKER. but a holder of current rules so that people can refer and know the rules the idea of bitcoin was that everyone was a general. rules stay the same unless the majority agree on a new proposal. yes it makes it harder for one general to change the rules... but thats the point of it. there should not be a single general. satoshi later realised that he had become the single general and everyone was going to him. which is why he left. yet 5 years later it went full circle where core is now the single general(central point) it should never be made EASY for one general to change the rules. mandating changes and splitting the community. having multiple brands should prevent there being a single general so that the community have power not a single general if core want to be a reference client then thats being a reference point of only CURRENT RULES separately if they want to PROPOSE new rules. ok. propose them as a separate version to a REFERENCE CLIENT.. but dont then use mandated stuff to enforce their proposal with threats of banning nodes and rejecting blocks. instead of single brand. instead of mandated rule... let the community consensus around it. and if a majority is not found, compromise.. the 65% against core compromised down to segwit2mb in 2015. yet core have not shown signs of listening to the community to compromise their roadmap. thy instead evicted opposers(usaf) and sheep herded the compromisers(NYA segwit2x).. and once segwit1x got activated. killed of the 2x to just stay with the 1x Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Vektrum on November 27, 2018, 05:04:57 AM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? Decentralization is the lack of unified management.Decentralization is one of the basic principles of cryptocurrency and is very important for it. Cryptocurrency was created as an alternative system to the now existing conventional centralized payment systems. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: St4yInTh3D4rk on November 27, 2018, 05:19:03 AM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? Just need to explain the meaning of decentralization and then we can say the crypto currencies are working in decentralized manner.If you want to explain what is decentralization then it is not controlled by any single or group of people,it is controlled by the random people all over the world and we say it as trustless community.Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: l10no on November 27, 2018, 06:45:32 AM I explained that it was very simple, decentralized, was independent, there was no institution or government that controlled it. and hope to have a very strong background
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Musia on November 27, 2018, 06:47:04 AM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? The lack of control and the lack of taxation, I think these two factors will be enough to lure anyone, the main thing is not to be frightened by volatility and bears).Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Alpha0One1 on November 27, 2018, 06:56:29 AM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? Similar analogy of cryptocurrency is the internet. While the internet backbone in itself if decentralized, the websites that we visit are centralized. Relating that to bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, you own your crypto if you own the private key and you can access it anywhere, AS LONG AS there are miners running the blockchain (sort of centralized and decentralized) at the moment. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: cokroalif on November 27, 2018, 07:23:33 AM My explanation is very brief, namely a very strong encryption mechanism. Practical system hack is not possible, so if someone can do it - our world is in great danger and with Rise of the Machines not far away.
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To find out more about Dapp.com please visit: Website: Dapp.com Telegram:https://t.me/dapp_com Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Eat.Sleep.Bounty on November 28, 2018, 09:57:05 PM Decentralization is the innovated way for making transactions faster and most of all secured. By this way transactions cannot be possibly tampered and there is no other human that can manipulate the transactions.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Wind_FURY on November 29, 2018, 09:14:17 AM But the "man" himself said, Quote I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea. So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network. I believe the essence of "rejecting" other implementations is not political, but more technical, to the convenience of the people who like to spread misinformation. Franky1, can we have your opinion on Satoshi's thoughts on having another implementation of Bitcoin? I believe he made it very clear that it would be very bad for the network. Maybe the debate is more technical than political, than what the anti-Core group believes it should be? but thats the beauty of consensus. to reject rule changes unless majority agree its the whole point its why satoshi solved the byzantine generals issue. by having consensus rules there can be alternative brands on the network. they all follow current rulesets. . as for upgrades the network has to choose what they (whole community) jointly go for. but if there is only one general making orders and holding and writing the rulebook(one brand) then there is no choice. its just follow the new rules this single general has written or end up being left out. But is it technically achievable? Yes that quote might be the cut version but the point is still very valid in my opinion. Quote also read the entire context. not just someones 'cut' of a quote read this Quote A second version would be a massive development and maintenance hassle for me. It's hard enough maintaining backward compatibility while upgrading the network without a second version locking things in. If the second version screwed up, the user experience would reflect badly on both, although it would at least reinforce to users the importance of staying with the official version. If someone was getting ready to fork a second version, I would have to air a lot of disclaimers about the risks of using a minority version. This is a design where the majority version wins if there's any disagreement, and that can be pretty ugly for the minority version andI'd rather not go into it, and I don't have to as long as there's only one version. read it. and then without bias. read it as if satoshi was the minority. so you can see both sides of his argument. HE cant simply upgrade if he is the minority.(EG imagine he wanted to remove code to cause a fee war or promote a non-blockchain network)(EG imagine he became corrupt/malicious) notice how HE is talking about how its a hassle for HIM (sole controller/general/central point) cant just upgrade if there are alternative versions. again thats the beauty of consensus. no one should have central control Without bias, I still get the same point. I also now get why some Core developers believe that only one version is better for the protocol. Quote the november 2016-spring 2017 was a good show of it in action. (65%no : 35%yes to segwit1x) Let me cut you there. Do you actually believe that the "65% no" signalling by the miners represented what the community wanted? Hahaha. Plus miner signalling is nothing but a "tool" for them to signal their readiness for an upgrade, not a "tool" to use as means to play politics within the community. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Frink on November 30, 2018, 03:03:18 AM Quote the november 2016-spring 2017 was a good show of it in action. (65%no : 35%yes to segwit1x) Let me cut you there. Do you actually believe that the "65% no" signalling by the miners represented what the community wanted? Hahaha. Plus miner signalling is nothing but a "tool" for them to signal their readiness for an upgrade, not a "tool" to use as means to play politics within the community. The problem with Proof of Work coins is that it doesn't really matter what the community wants.. it what the miners want. I thought signalling meant that miners had upgraded their software so that if over 50% of the hashing power of the network over some period of time similarly upgraded, that the entire network would switch.. no? Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Wind_FURY on December 01, 2018, 09:04:31 AM Quote the november 2016-spring 2017 was a good show of it in action. (65%no : 35%yes to segwit1x) Let me cut you there. Do you actually believe that the "65% no" signalling by the miners represented what the community wanted? Hahaha. Plus miner signalling is nothing but a "tool" for them to signal their readiness for an upgrade, not a "tool" to use as means to play politics within the community. The problem with Proof of Work coins is that it doesn't really matter what the community wants.. it what the miners want. Did the UASF teach you nothing? Are you really a newbie? Then you have to read the account of the events that lead to the UASF, https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/long-road-segwit-how-bitcoins-biggest-protocol-upgrade-became-reality/ Quote I thought signalling meant that miners had upgraded their software so that if over 50% of the hashing power of the network over some period of time similarly upgraded, that the entire network would switch.. no? The Core developers required 95% of miners signalling their readiness for Segwit activation. Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: ganegani91 on December 01, 2018, 09:50:37 AM decentralization is better than centraliz, because it is stronger, and everyone involved is like having the responsibility to look after it
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: ClassyDancer on December 03, 2018, 12:53:28 AM The decentralized nature of crypto, or blockchain in general, means that it doesn’t rely on a central point of control. And it is the lack of single authority that makes the system fairer and considerably more secure. Also, these decentralized networks provide economic incentives to maintainers, developers, maintainers, and other participants in the form of cryptocurrencies, either coins/tokens. And so the better the platform, the more its tokens are valued. The network participants have an economic interest to work together toward a common goal — the growth of the network and the appreciation of the token.
Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: ujinice on December 03, 2018, 05:15:56 AM When introducing new people to cryptocurrency.. how do you explain decentralization to them? Why is it important? I try to keep secret about my knowledge, but those whom I invite, I make them read the digital gold by the author Nataniel Popper, and I advise them not to invest money without understanding the crypto topic.Title: Re: How would you describe decentralization as concisely as possible? Post by: Frink on December 31, 2018, 08:48:09 PM Did the UASF teach you nothing? Are you really a newbie? Then you have to read the account of the events that lead to the UASF, https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/long-road-segwit-how-bitcoins-biggest-protocol-upgrade-became-reality/ Quote I thought signalling meant that miners had upgraded their software so that if over 50% of the hashing power of the network over some period of time similarly upgraded, that the entire network would switch.. no? The Core developers required 95% of miners signalling their readiness for Segwit activation. No, not a newbie, I've been in crypto for 5 years and know blockchains well. Just don't follow Bitcoin politics closely. That being said, very interesting article. Thanks Wind_Fury! |