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Title: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: bitcoinsc on December 02, 2018, 01:14:29 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Mt. Dempo on December 02, 2018, 05:32:09 AM
that's a mistake that often occurs, because if you start investing when the pump occurs, you will potentially be stuck in a dump that will occur after the pump. I think you are right and we must often discuss to get a lot of knowledge and the right choice in investing.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: BitcoinHodler on December 02, 2018, 05:53:05 AM
unfortunately "specialists" which are basically "investment advisors" aren't out there to help you make money. they are there to earn money by providing some information to you which is mostly to encourage you to give them your money so that they can invest it for you!

in crypto space things are even worse since "specialists" are basically pump and dumpers who have no idea about the market. they only know how to scam people out of their money.

in this market if you want to make profit and be successful, you have to start small and start on your own. study the market and do some trial run to see if you are capable of learning it and making money. then after some time increase the amount of investment.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Hanebel on December 02, 2018, 06:11:02 AM
In this kind of nature, it's hard to trust especially that everyone are almost anonymous. Better, learn the most fundamental things you need to know and be the specialist of yourself.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: nicecrypto on December 02, 2018, 06:14:39 AM
unfortunately "specialists" which are basically "investment advisors" aren't out there to help you make money. they are there to earn money by providing some information to you which is mostly to encourage you to give them your money so that they can invest it for you!

in crypto space things are even worse since "specialists" are basically pump and dumpers who have no idea about the market. they only know how to scam people out of their money.

in this market if you want to make profit and be successful, you have to start small and start on your own. study the market and do some trial run to see if you are capable of learning it and making money. then after some time increase the amount of investment.
So true, I believe that too. Most of this so called advisers or experts will definitely try to take your money to give you any form of advise on investment, yeah we've seen them out there in this crypto space. You definitely have to start small on your own after also learning some basic crypto trading rules and continue to learn and do small investment first and as we know, only invest what you can afford to lose. We all need to learn on our own and not really rely on an "specialist"


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: sirengutou on December 02, 2018, 06:17:32 AM
unfortunately "specialists" which are basically "investment advisors" aren't out there to help you make money. they are there to earn money by providing some information to you which is mostly to encourage you to give them your money so that they can invest it for you!

in crypto space things are even worse since "specialists" are basically pump and dumpers who have no idea about the market. they only know how to scam people out of their money.

in this market if you want to make profit and be successful, you have to start small and start on your own. study the market and do some trial run to see if you are capable of learning it and making money. then after some time increase the amount of investment.

I totally agree that no experts will provide services for free, and I have not seen any experts who are able to make 100% accurate predictions. Now any expert you have seen recommends that you buy altcoins to some extent. It’s because they’ve received the money from the ICO sponsors. It’s just a disguised promotion, not a real expert forecast.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Deallove9 on December 02, 2018, 06:41:19 AM
Many people need to learn or know little before getting into crypto as it require some knowledge before you can join , many heard a story of some making it and hope to gain too with out learning to know the bad and good side of the crypto and later have no choice than to loss their funds and asking for specialist might be a good one but you still need a personal decision which will require you to know when to buy or sell.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Mishael on December 02, 2018, 06:41:32 AM
Indeed, before investing, you should look for information and discuss so that there is a little picture to be able to make the investment better.
Doing research first is the best step to invest.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: basyang on December 02, 2018, 06:45:23 AM
In this kind of nature, it's hard to trust especially that everyone are almost anonymous. Better, learn the most fundamental things you need to know and be the specialist of yourself.

Indeed, very well said. In this industry we need to management out trust to everyone. Not all of we met here is we need to trust. As you said all of us here are anonymous we can trust easily because who knows if they were have a bad and good intention. If you want to invest try to research to yourself try to read and to look for an inspiration or maybe a successful investors to be your role model.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Indrawan77 on December 02, 2018, 06:50:25 AM
Its a good advice but sometimes it is better to do your own research and ask for guidance, for beginner maybe its okay to ask and follow, but you need to learn how to find a proper information to obtain a great investment, every thing need to be learn, by achieving more experience we can decrease the risk of losing money


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: bitcoin31 on December 02, 2018, 06:50:37 AM
That is right before investing we need to be make some research to know if that can help to grow your money or not. Trying to ask to expert or have a lot of information to someone if they think that is good investment or not good if they think. But it's up to you if you follow them or not.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Tamilson on December 02, 2018, 06:56:32 AM
unfortunately "specialists" which are basically "investment advisors" aren't out there to help you make money. they are there to earn money by providing some information to you which is mostly to encourage you to give them your money so that they can invest it for you!

Yeah more likely they will just use you to make money, better not to trust those thus believe more to yourself. Make reading a habit though experience will teach you real life lesson but reading can lessen your future mistake.

And don't be an impulsive buyer that didn't analyze everything, remember that our hard earned money is involve here so watch out.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Herbert2020 on December 02, 2018, 07:05:13 AM
you should know that this market is very different from traditional markets. so you can't go consult someone with experience in trading stocks to give you advice about trading altcoins! unless you are new to investment in general and want general advice about investing your money then that is a different matter.
and as it was mentioned earlier you can't find anyone in this market who is going to give you good advice so not seeking advice is better for you than seeking it.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: enhu on December 02, 2018, 07:07:23 AM
There are online tips for all those who wants to start investing in crypto though, they can just look up to google it so they won't need a specialist to do it for them. Bitcoin is usually the safest to invest with so if you just invest to BTC even if its just 0.5BTC, its good enough to have something to wait later.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: longergou on December 02, 2018, 07:11:11 AM
Why do current investors like the new "pump"? Because the new "pump" grows faster and more valuable, it is like the ICO market last year!


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: sjbi on December 02, 2018, 07:16:41 AM
It is advisable that one should consult with friends and experts before doing anything, be it investment or in other sector. I want to share you my experience about my entry into the crypto world. I was introduced to cryptocurrency some one and a half years ago, the time when the market was surging vertically. I was greedy and in hurry to invest without consulting with friends or experts. But I have been suffering loss since. So I think newbies should acquire crypto knowledge before investing.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: mahilchii on December 02, 2018, 07:22:10 AM
In this kind of nature, it's hard to trust especially that everyone are almost anonymous. Better, learn the most fundamental things you need to know and be the specialist of yourself.

Well said, there is no one like specialist in this forum. They will just give you the prediction but remember you will never get solution from advisors or analyst. It's always better to research on our own rather than trusting others if you lose you will learn.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: VasyaPupkin on December 02, 2018, 07:44:11 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
It is clear to some without a specialist where it is better to leave money, and where even day trading will not work. And in the conditions of the bear market, this is still complicated at times.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: maligu on December 02, 2018, 08:45:05 AM
Experts may also make mistakes. I mean, no matter who gives you advice, you can only decide by your own analysis. In fact, coin knowledge is more important than we think, not what investment advice, good experts will not give any investment advice, he will tell you the basics of coins.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: bisdak40 on December 02, 2018, 08:58:51 AM
And who could be that specialist be? Sad to say that people pretending to be specialist or advisers and they are there just to earn money for themselves. Better still if we will make a research of our own because it is our own money that hangs in the balance.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Imoote on December 02, 2018, 08:59:51 AM
investment does have a high risk, but if we are afraid of risk, we will never advance or get profits, indeed in this case we need to ask those who are experts, but we also have to have principles.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: covfefe_ on December 02, 2018, 09:02:46 AM
Even the specialist of a more predictable market, say stocks market, fails so much time, it would even be hard to believe a crypto specialist.
Though a specialist words could be taken as a guideline for selecting your portfolio, I would forbid anyone to follow these self proclaimed specialist. As there are no specialist in the crypto market. If they were any, they are already rich and don't give advice to people for a small fee.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: batang_bitcoin on December 02, 2018, 09:03:14 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
They have the freedom to ask, so initiative should start from them. They blindly investing to coins that they arent aware of its risk. Its the problem, they have the same mindset of becoming rich in the quickest way they know. Not really a specialist  but someone who has enough knowledge, understanding and experience should be fine.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: zemper on December 02, 2018, 09:03:26 AM
It is very important that you inspect how to inspect your money in a crypto, so that you have a good friend who understands this. He will be able to answer your questions that interest you and will tell you where to put the money. And from time to time you will gain experience.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: zero714309 on December 02, 2018, 09:08:41 AM
You're wrong. Follow people will be able to drop ourselves and make us always dependent without ever learning. The first step is we have to do research or analysis themselves,there are good we should be in charge of the basic knowledge and when we already know the steps we may discuss with people who are more proficient in the forum or your own friends but that doesn't mean you should always follow what they said. Discussions only make reference or comparison because every thing is definitely there are good and bad as it is also the movement of the market crypto.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: regexlove on December 02, 2018, 09:10:46 AM
You need to speak with people who have earned on investing so that they can give you the right advice, but you can not invest yourself where there is no experience !


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Zadicar on December 02, 2018, 09:11:25 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
Someone knows about investing specially with crypto because if you do tend to ask but doesn't know on whats crypto then it would be still useless.
You should really make yourself be prepared in all sorts of things when we invest.First rule, only invest on the amount you can afford to lose neither on crypto or traditional investments.
Its not necessary to find someone who will teach you yet you can make self yourself learn.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: krassy on December 02, 2018, 09:16:32 AM
and you know a lot of experts who will give you good advice for free? even those who are engaged in investments more than one year are trapped, even Rockefeller lost money on investments. investments in gold, real estate, products, medicines, technology can pay off, but if we are talking about short-term speculation, then everyone should decide for himself.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: dBley123 on December 02, 2018, 10:48:14 AM
I agree, it's true that not everything we save will grow according to our wishes, and we must be smart in choosing what we will save to invest.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: SamboNZ on December 02, 2018, 11:54:03 AM
For me, I'd rather learn for myself and do things on my own because other's advise won't take effect if you don't experience things yourself. We also have our own differences and approaches too. Other's experience and your your own decision making based on studying and understanding makes good decisions.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: ShadowBits on December 02, 2018, 01:17:38 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.

You don't need any specialist when it comes to investing. All you need is your own set of skills and common sense to make an investment. And do some of your own research.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: cytpoway121 on December 02, 2018, 01:42:32 PM
unfortunately "specialists" which are basically "investment advisors" aren't out there to help you make money. they are there to earn money by providing some information to you which is mostly to encourage you to give them your money so that they can invest it for you!

in crypto space things are even worse since "specialists" are basically pump and dumpers who have no idea about the market. they only know how to scam people out of their money.

in this market if you want to make profit and be successful, you have to start small and start on your own. study the market and do some trial run to see if you are capable of learning it and making money. then after some time increase the amount of investment.

Yes you are very right and spot on, in this year it is very difficult to find sincere specialist, and even if you check through ico webpages, or ratings webpages, they are all created to make some money and literally help you invest.

The best specialist in the crypto currency world is you, do your own research, work towards correcting your mistakes and enjoy your participations in crypto currency.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: fedben on December 02, 2018, 01:52:53 PM
It all depends on the kind of financial specialists you relate with. Some are basically not ready to assist. They're rather there for their own personal gain. But, I still think it's best one meet an investor with a good heart, who could actually assist you to invest.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: kiranarora on December 02, 2018, 02:03:41 PM
If someone does not have much information about the status of the market, then invest only with advice from your peers or seniors.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: jpaul on December 08, 2018, 08:11:16 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.

Yea I think this is a good idea. mostly the best way to go before investing is to just start doing a lot of research into the coins that you are interesting in investing in but since a lot of people do not want to do that then I think a specialist would be the next best thing since they can explain to them what they are getting into and what they can do


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: JCviggen on December 08, 2018, 08:51:30 PM
You need to speak with people who have earned on investing so that they can give you the right advice, but you can not invest yourself where there is no experience !
Well, just if people do without experience, then most likely they will become experienced when they lose a lot of money.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: VieleSind on December 08, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
Yep, it's true. If you guys are going to invest in anything in this cryptocurrency world, don't forget to ask anyone whom you know and have more experience in this world than you. It's a good way to save your life and your money :)). But sometime it'll not help cause they are also human like you so they also can make some mistake.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: jossiel on December 08, 2018, 09:54:04 PM
Talk to someone or start researching. There's a lot of investors that went wrong by not giving proper decision after buying such coins which they think will give them riches. But that's not how it goes.

Invest on knowledge by using your time, don't be too hasty that you'll just simply put your money to a random coin that you have been a victim of shilling. Start on yourself by understanding few risk and fundamentals as you invest to crypto's.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: maxilopez on December 08, 2018, 10:00:18 PM
It is extremely stupid if you invest in a cryptocurrency market without knowing anything about it. almost certainly you will lose your money


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: jupppo on December 08, 2018, 10:05:08 PM
I know a lot of people who bought btc per 18k$. Now their portfolio made  more than -80%. Before investing, it's better to consult with special analysts. They can give you an advice.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: marcitosi on December 08, 2018, 10:05:30 PM
I invested in this without consulting with anyone and did not regret it. do not listen to anyone and do as you think it would be right


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: arjuna BTC on December 08, 2018, 10:06:28 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.

the point is all investments opportunities was not a quick rich scheme, people should had a lot of patience to increase their portofolio and know how to manage the risk my friend  ;)


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: xiboothrezi on December 08, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
Investment is a complex matter. If you only dream of being rich in investment without empowering yourself with techniques and analysis, you will get nothing, especially if you are only affected by unclear news and signals. The right choice if you study and consult with more experienced people.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: samantadegrenet on December 08, 2018, 10:49:46 PM
Really im not speak with specialist before investing. For me enough to see coinmarketcap and choose top10 of coins. so i can see which coins are good for investing


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: rika0223 on December 08, 2018, 10:54:34 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
really a lot of mistakes occur by investing someone but still confused how to run it and what happens is they misstep and lose the money they have, it's better to ask with specialists or experienced


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: BigBrother on December 08, 2018, 11:06:24 PM
That's true. This applies to any activity, not only investments in crypto. I do not understand why people are trying to make some decisions about what they do not understand. Especially when it comes to money. You should study very well what you want to invest in.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: pooja1982 on December 08, 2018, 11:15:43 PM
I think God helps those who helps themself means in this market this ideology is fit for new investor because I have observed the crypto market experts and specialist on youtube and their predictions are totally failed this time only self study and experience are the best tools to make profit and successful in crypto market. We may be start with small investment and increase the amount of investment after some time.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: apitico on December 08, 2018, 11:17:02 PM
I fully agree with you, because now many people think that this is the best time to invest, as the market has fallen and now you can buy any coin, but in fact the market has not yet fallen and invest in any coin, if only in cryptocurrency, is also not worth it.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: mbluxs on December 08, 2018, 11:20:47 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.

preferably if not enough knowledge is better to ask for advice, explore the science again, and think long before it is steady to plunge into investing because investment is not as easy as we imagine


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: kotajikikox on December 08, 2018, 11:24:48 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.


This time are really great opportunity to invest in cryptocurrency falleing of price best buy for the next expectations bull run.

Investing in cryptocurrency no need to consult into the specialist if know the basic knowlege how to red flow chart choosing altcoins.

I highly recommended focus investment in the two coins btc and eth for the next bull run possible to got huge profits.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: smoolae on December 08, 2018, 11:26:21 PM
And where would one find this "specialist" for crypto investing? There are no specialist in that field, people who say they are specialists, are often just after the money they could sort of scam.

Anybody can give you recommendations on which coins to buy, but rather often they are based on a pure speculation and nothing else.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: rabinot on December 08, 2018, 11:28:21 PM
Of course, you should first ask for advice from an experienced investor who will tell you exactly where to invest your money.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Wellyan on December 08, 2018, 11:28:40 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
before you happen or experience things that are not desirable, I suggest that in investing you should often ask people who already understand investing or their specialists so that they are not misguided


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Lilmon on December 08, 2018, 11:28:46 PM
And they don't even have to pay someone or look for a certain specialist, they should simply investigate the market well before getting involved in this madness, the pump or dump often have their reasons and for a novice, they are definitely not easy to visualize, just follow advices, do you own research always, and you should be fine!


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: mcTether on December 08, 2018, 11:31:44 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
There are so many people willing to offer free crypto consultation or advise. You can even get this advises from forums like this or even whatsapp crypto groups. You must ask questions to know when to jump in to invest.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Leah38 on December 08, 2018, 11:40:50 PM
Good day! Yes it would help if you ask a friend or expert opinion before investing or go trading a certain coin. You can join project telegram channels and check social media updates to know the project's updates. There's a lot to consider on investing and trading. But one for certain, you're ready to gamble. Wrong timing will only lead to loss.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: jhonjhon on December 08, 2018, 11:48:26 PM
Good day! Yes it would help if you ask a friend or expert opinion before investing or go trading a certain coin. You can join project telegram channels and check social media updates to know the project's updates. There's a lot to consider on investing and trading. But one for certain, you're ready to gamble. Wrong timing will only lead to loss.
Gathering more  ideas is very important with this field but not just to have in your mind without even applying it.  Through experience we learn a lot and with that, we can generate great ideas and strategies to help bring our investment into success.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: miropp on December 08, 2018, 11:56:33 PM
Never invest your money if you are unsure of the coin you are buying. You're right to say that it's better to talk to people who understand this. After all, you can miss something because of their inexperience, and these people help point to your mistake.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: setialovers on December 09, 2018, 01:40:56 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.

Its true that many coin can not growing. I think every investment have a risk but if we can manage that risk, i am believe crypto is profitable investment. Its better before we make investment, we make a research first


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: iconoclast on December 09, 2018, 01:51:40 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
Losing money is part of the learning process, it takes most people a lot of pain to learn the very simple maxim that to make money investing you need to "buy low and sell high". It requires real discipline to do the exact opposite of what all the other people are doing. Yes you should talk to other people but if they all say Buy, you should sell. If they say sell, you should buy.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: cryptonx on December 09, 2018, 01:59:46 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.


the specialist will only talk to you about how to minimize the risk
because manage the risk is more important than profits,,
people should learn how to Maintain their capital first before think about profit buddy


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Altf4 on December 09, 2018, 02:17:44 AM
That is also good that ,before you invest you could refer to specialist in investing, that is for additional guidance ,on how to run and manage your investment , more advices and techniques ,gives you more advantage in investing in cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: gudjhonson on December 09, 2018, 02:20:07 AM
Indeed managing risk will make us more critical in making a decision in investing. This attitude will give us an idea and also a little thought to move forward. Talking and consulting a specialist will help us in the picture for the best decision making.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: btcluisdiki on December 09, 2018, 02:33:44 AM
People do already know the consequences once they decide to participate in making investment with btc wherein there is always a risk involve and it's considered a high risk investment. In my opinion, even the so called experts  or specialist don't really even know what will happen next on the btc market as this is very unpredictable and I believe, you should have to make your own study and analysis about the crypto market. It will be up to your decision and not relying from other sources which might disappoint you in the end.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Reid on December 09, 2018, 02:41:58 AM
That is if you dont know any basics with investing. Either stocks or in commodities.

Here is already a good forum where you could find good statements and experiences if you are going for crypto currencies investment.

I wont go so far for you might end up being scammed by those so called analysts or professionials which they just put on their names.
Reading is very helpful too.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: TBboys on December 09, 2018, 02:49:17 AM
I am sure that if we easily listen to the experts, we will lose more money. The experts’ predictions always have some kind of motivation behind them. Usually, their predictions are always to mislead us and create a bull market trap and trying to get us down.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: efxtrader on December 09, 2018, 04:16:02 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.

I am agree that before we make investment, better we consulting with expert. Beside consulting with an expert, we can research in internet. Internet give us many information about investment and how to invest


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: _ZeD_ on December 09, 2018, 04:55:38 AM
To make a decision about investing in any young project is a bold decision. Investments are always risks, but it's even worse when you invest in a project that will deceive you. Here I fully agree. It is necessary or even refuse to invest or consult a specialist.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Hades92 on December 09, 2018, 05:31:07 AM
I once followed a website. I forgot the link He provided the time for the coin to be PUMP in bittrex, but we did not know which coin would be PUMP. Only time we found out, after the time I arrived as soon as possible to buy the koi. I quickly bought the top price and suffered a loss


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: kier010 on December 09, 2018, 06:13:24 AM
many specialist promote their own coin or they are paid to do it. crypto is also volatile that price may change anytime so specialist may not help that much. researching can always help you if you want to invest.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: btcrut2017 on December 09, 2018, 07:04:27 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.

This is right before investing you should have knowledge on what you are into. It is good to ask experts in order not to waste your money and you can also make the right decision.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: gostop on December 09, 2018, 07:15:40 AM
This method is very good, but experts also have a lot of scammers. It is difficult for real experts to find them. They are usually very busy. These experts can tell you accurate knowledge, such as what can't be invested and what can be invested, but it is difficult to meet experts.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: forked human on December 12, 2018, 08:14:04 AM
investment does have a high risk, but if we are afraid of risk, we will never advance or get profits, indeed in this case we need to ask those who are experts, but we also have to have principles.
You are right that without risk there is no any way to get the success and to become rich in the future we have to invest in the cryptocurrencies but there are a lot of projects in which we really need the assistance of the expert traders and investors that which project have a high potential.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: bellaayu on December 12, 2018, 08:42:05 AM
Before investing, you must learn from experienced people and you also have to be diligent in reading news about crypto. Investment is not allowed when the price of the coin is pumping but is waiting for the price of the coin to drop the price. And like now, the coin crypto market is decreasing and this is a good time to buy coins.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: SwiggHeart on December 12, 2018, 08:51:25 AM
Before investing, you must learn from experienced people and you also have to be diligent in reading news about crypto. Investment is not allowed when the price of the coin is pumping but is waiting for the price of the coin to drop the price. And like now, the coin crypto market is decreasing and this is a good time to buy coins.
I'm not sure if it was a good idea if you learn from an experienced people since they are usually charge you for the knowledge of their past experience.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: vigos on December 12, 2018, 08:51:46 AM
All investments are accompanied by risks, but I think many new altcoins are still suitable for short-term investments, and at least many potential new altcoins can have independent prices when entering the exchange!


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: cudora on December 12, 2018, 09:40:11 AM
There is no crypto expert that can predict the price movement. Just find some great coins and invest in them, but do not forget to make a great investigation before taking part in any project, otherwise you will lose a lot of money.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: aalborg on December 12, 2018, 09:44:41 AM
There is no experts in crypto. All predictions made by experts usually doesn't happen.
Most of them predicted 30 k for bitcoin by the end of 2018,but no one predicted 3 k, you know.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: malading on December 12, 2018, 09:56:45 AM
You don't need to talk to an expert because you can't find an expert who is willing to help you. You only need to read the contents of the forum carefully to learn a lot. You can learn a lot of opinions when you find some well-known accounts.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Hanebel on December 12, 2018, 02:19:10 PM
There is no experts in crypto. All predictions made by experts usually doesn't happen.
Most of them predicted 30 k for bitcoin by the end of 2018,but no one predicted 3 k, you know.
This is a funny reality though. Even those pioneering here can't say what the exact thing to happen, they can only predict but not a guarantee to make it happen. Again, as I have often advised, be the specialist of yourself.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: avonka on December 12, 2018, 11:30:40 PM
You can listen to crypto specialists but the only responsible for your funds is you, specialist do not care for it. The best thing you can do is to study the market and learn about it as much as you can and make your own research and investment decisions.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: CryptoGosu on December 12, 2018, 11:51:27 PM
Now there are a lot of fake experts who want to teach you how to invest. I don’t trust these experts. I think that it’s better to study what you want to invest in.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Klausi on December 12, 2018, 11:55:13 PM
Don't trust an anonymous person whom you known at the internet world, because you can't be sure he's a legit or a scammer. The better way to do it, is to seek advices from person who meet personally and your long time friend who you can depend on. That's an assurance for us before we invest and you should do it personally and don't let other people handle your funds all alone, because if you let somebody took over your asset you might be losing control over it.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: SlimShadyMmp on December 12, 2018, 11:55:47 PM
Is actually trading and is basically taking advantage of some perspective when they buy high and market goes low then you just buy that low i think Obviously thats how market works so I think the best thing is learn it yourself and hang that specialist thing aside I wouldn't help


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: valnd on December 12, 2018, 11:58:17 PM
Yeah, you might be right but the question is in this space there is really s specialist? maybe you could tell us the specialist, 


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: judyrob on December 13, 2018, 02:54:46 AM
at least consult or seek reference can give you an idea and knowledge before investing. that is a lot of which falls directly and get in on the crypto because of results and no matter about the risks and how about strategy. This makes a lot of weak hands and ends up harming themselves on crypto.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: alan2here on December 13, 2018, 02:59:20 AM
Don't trust an anonymous person whom you known at the internet world, because you can't be sure he's a legit or a scammer. The better way to do it, is to seek advices from person who meet personally and your long time friend who you can depend on. That's an assurance for us before we invest and you should do it personally and don't let other people handle your funds all alone, because if you let somebody took over your asset you might be losing control over it.
Seeking advice from the experts is very difficult because the rate of meeting is very low. I believe that we should search online and learn from online lectures that will give us more knowledge. If you feel confident in that person, then you should set up a meeting because they are sure to lead you in this market.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: emezh10 on December 13, 2018, 03:21:15 AM
And who could be that specialist be? Sad to say that people pretending to be specialist or advisers and they are there just to earn money for themselves. Better still if we will make a research of our own because it is our own money that hangs in the balance.

  Crypto Market investment have some degree of risk. With the Market Volatilty everything should be taken into account.. Yes, you may consult some on Crypto, but the more important thing one possible investors should do.. Know the limit of investment,  invest only what you can afford to loss if the price value drops.Learn the in's and out of the crypto market, choose which coin you would buy for investment, the market status, fundamentals, market history,  and stability. All of this should be consider before coming up for a sound mind decision to put your investment.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: coinsycrip09 on December 13, 2018, 03:31:07 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
indeed it is a beginner's fault, they do not want to ask or learn about the risks we will receive after becoming part of crypto users. that's why many people are poor because they invest in crypto.

the end result they blamed crypto and complained to everyone. i think they have to learn more.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: kakade on December 13, 2018, 03:35:16 AM
Learning from experienced people, in my opinion, is very important especially if you want to invest. Good investment certainly requires the ability and knowledge to bring you a successful investment. Try to talk to people who have experience and then you also have to make your own decisions.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: legendbtc on December 13, 2018, 03:46:46 AM
It is very good idea to learn from the experts because without knowing knowledge it is impossible to understand the technical words. So always try to learn something before progressing any thing which will always lead us in positive direction.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Kelvinikke on December 13, 2018, 03:52:33 AM
haha...to some extent i would agree with  you but on the other part i would not because sometimes it is good to listen to all these crypto analysts that are in the crypto community but even they could go wrong. So what do you do? I suggest you research into your own investment plans and strategies so that you don't suffer any huge loss.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: indobitcoin.tk on December 13, 2018, 04:01:06 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
indeed it is a beginner's fault, they do not want to ask or learn about the risks we will receive after becoming part of crypto users. that's why many people are poor because they invest in crypto.

the end result they blamed crypto and complained to everyone. i think they have to learn more.
may indeed be wrong if they don't want to ask the expert in crypto. but perhaps they also have reasons like it's hard finding that can be fully trusted because the field is full of crypto mystery. Sometimes there are indeed who can help but not least also the plunges.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: bezzler on December 13, 2018, 04:06:05 AM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
Indeed, in crypto world we need to gain as much information as possible before we make an investment, also we need to perform many investigation on the project that we wish to make an investment on.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: celot on December 13, 2018, 04:11:14 AM
Before investing your money at ICO investment project you have keep asking many information at many people have joined first, ask what the mission and goal of ICO investment, you have keep your investment is safety with higher price after listing at the exchange market.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: @rt27 on December 13, 2018, 04:39:54 AM
Even you won't ask question to many people still there are some ways to teach yourselves how to invest properly in the right ICO. Through reading white paper, reading others experiences from scam project providing the reasons why and how is always good learning. Meaning reading is vital to teach yourselves to invest in the right one.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: TVTVI on December 30, 2018, 03:20:02 PM
Don't trust an anonymous person whom you known at the internet world, because you can't be sure he's a legit or a scammer. The better way to do it, is to seek advices from person who meet personally and your long time friend who you can depend on. That's an assurance for us before we invest and you should do it personally and don't let other people handle your funds all alone, because if you let somebody took over your asset you might be losing control over it.
Seeking advice from the experts is very difficult because the rate of meeting is very low. I believe that we should search online and learn from online lectures that will give us more knowledge. If you feel confident in that person, then you should set up a meeting because they are sure to lead you in this market.
I have selected predictive results from market analysts and KOLs. But the exact probability is only 50%. I learned the lesson of refining knowledge and making my own perspective. Experience yourself is the best expert you have


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Bittalk12 on December 30, 2018, 03:27:10 PM
You are right. Before investing, it always recommended for newbies to consult someone who is familiar with this type of industry or to any investment businesses. We should never just look on the positive side of earning but we also have to keep in mind the possible losses or risk we will be facing in times of unexpected or uncontrollable scenarios that may bring down the market. We should seek for help of advice to someone who are familiar enough how crypto investment works before putting your bets.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: raitsuk on December 30, 2018, 03:29:11 PM
That is good move to ask specialist prior investing, but we also need to make our own digging about any information regarding the coins that we wish to invest, and looking for the perfect time to invest.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: plr on December 30, 2018, 03:35:19 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.

Unfortunately some of these experts are bag holders of coins and of course, they will promote those coins that they are holding, and besides so many experts advice has failed, better just read on investors opinion and experienced here not necessarily experts.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Sab11 on December 30, 2018, 03:41:37 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
yeah with crypto specialist you can save your self and your money, but instead of rely your self in specialist make your self inform on how things work in crypto investing gain more knowledge so you can stand on your self.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: tisumagic on December 30, 2018, 03:44:38 PM
Yeah, you might be right but the question is in this space there is really s specialist? maybe you could tell us the specialist, 
maybe what they call specialist people here is someone who has a level of popularity and can influence market prices. and for fellow members here I am still not sure if they are specialist


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Script3d on December 30, 2018, 03:48:39 PM
you should probably avoid people that's calling themselves specialist because such thing doesn't exist on this platform, individuals can do research instead of going to this "crypto specialist" you'll only have yourself to blame if you lose money.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: odranoel on December 30, 2018, 04:09:57 PM
Very good decision to do before investing is to speak to a specialist. In a simple way or another research and study first can be a big help too. Do make yourself ready and knowledgeable enough to do such investing circumstances and the like to avoid you in any problem and trouble.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Jaggi90 on December 30, 2018, 04:36:29 PM
Half knowledge is very dangerous thing. Of course, one should consult the expert as they know the market fluctuations deeply and they also know the loopholes. Without consulting them , one can get a very huge loss in their investment.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: rasulibragimavic on December 30, 2018, 05:13:04 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
If you have such a person then of course you need to consult with him but it is not necessary that he would make the final decision for you. As in the case of failure money will lose you. Good and profitable investment to you.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: mickey_miner on December 30, 2018, 11:14:13 PM
Good advice, but unfortunately many people do not have such an opportunity and they have to learn from their mistakes and lose their money.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: HappyCaptain on December 30, 2018, 11:32:47 PM
it is really good idea to approach some expert before investing on any projects especially here on cryptospace because almost 90% of ICO turn out to be a scam after the token sale, always make a research first and take some advice from a friend who have vast knowledge in crypto.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: samcrypto on December 30, 2018, 11:35:41 PM
Its good to seek for the advice of the specialist in terms of investing/trading but for me you don’t have to since there are so many ways to learn more about cryptocurrency, you just need to work hard and know how to be patience. Learning might not be easy but if you keep on doing that you will be rewarded later on when you enter in the market.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: sonicwave on December 30, 2018, 11:56:14 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
Yes, I think it's right, but if you have no one to talk to and find out his opinion, what is better to buy and whether to do it, in this case, analyze the information in telegram chats. There are a lot of people who know about cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Shatterlean22 on December 31, 2018, 02:06:05 AM
Specialists only care about there pocket and nothing else ,if I were a newbie I would prefer knowing how to do research on my own yet I will make some mistakes and that's the only way to learn


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: bagikoin on December 31, 2018, 04:10:20 AM
not all specialists can give good results. even many specialists who eventually becomes a cheat to make everyone else wrong in taking decisions. Crypto research with his own analysis would be better than simply rely on the specialist only. become a specialist for yourself would be better than relying on other people.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: luthvie on December 31, 2018, 04:12:58 AM
absolutely right, before you think to invest in some bussiness, especially in crypto, you better speak to specialist first, before you wasted your money.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: glendall on December 31, 2018, 04:38:10 AM
yeah, that is an important thing to do before investing,
for beginners who know crypto, consulting a longer or senior is an important thing that must be done, we can see that it is indeed so that we do not invest incorrectly and minimize losses.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: sekop on December 31, 2018, 04:59:56 AM
This step is also good for you to do before making a deeper decision. Provided you can discuss the discussion with the right person. People who have had a lot of experience and can overcome their failure well. Give limits to your discussion, not to discuss the private data of your account and wallet.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Commitments on December 31, 2018, 05:30:39 AM
we have asking at many people and investor about some altcoin or ICO project to make investment, always ask how to get profit with some altcoin and could be profitable by investing at ICO.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: VaLeRaaa on December 31, 2018, 05:32:03 PM
Of course, a conversation with a specialist will not hurt, as a consultation. But! Look at how many specialists and professionals made a mistake over the past year (Understand and study the market and its movements, understand and study the project. It’s still the decision to make only yourself. As well as responsibility for the loss of funds just for you. So is your profit only.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: NomanBD on December 31, 2018, 05:34:35 PM
Before investing only first read their whitepaper, roadmap and update. Specialist could be wrong but you experience is enough for you.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: universal3ee on December 31, 2018, 05:37:59 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.

Yes i believe speaking to a specialist before you want to invest in anything is a good way to start your investment. However i think the most important thing is that as an investor yourself either you leave it to a professional to handle your portfolio or you should learn the stuffs that you are investing in.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Jpti on December 31, 2018, 05:46:55 PM
Yes it is wise idea to talk with crypto experts or the ones having knowledge about cryptocurrency before going to invest in it. I have seen many investors who have suffered bit loss (even at a time when the market had gone up) without crypto knowledge. I am one of them as well. So consult with friends, crypto experts beforehand, and only then take own decision.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: trickyriky on January 02, 2019, 01:45:54 PM
Very good decision to do before investing is to speak to a specialist. In a simple way or another research and study first can be a big help too. Do make yourself ready and knowledgeable enough to do such investing circumstances and the like to avoid you in any problem and trouble.

I do not know personally any crypto specialists. Therefore, I trust myself. This Forum also helps me a lot in choosing this or that decision. Many guys here are very helpful people ready to prompt you various things.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: coinbirds on January 04, 2019, 09:30:31 AM
The best adviser who will give you the best advice is you.
Spend some time studying the market and make your own independent decision.
All the experts out there have their own interest and it is not necessarily your interest.
Listen to them, but decide independently.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Jackrodwell on January 13, 2019, 07:09:01 PM
many young folks go on see a pump. fomo and buy in thinking they will be rich. before investing try to speak to someone knows about investing.  maybe they can talk u out of it. save ur self a few thousands perhaps.  not all investing grow on trees not even crypto.
Your point make sense,because there is a say that if you want follow a road is good you ask those have passed the road,advice will go along way to know wat is best and the decision to take in investing.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: chairmanMao on January 14, 2019, 08:44:39 AM
This is a very good idea, but we are often difficult to find an expert. Expert time is usually precious. But you can find some high quality content learning in the forum. Knowledge is very important for investment.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: Felic43 on January 14, 2019, 09:58:29 AM
I don't think it necessary to consult a specialist before you invest, it good when you know about the coin you are investing in and you will know about the coin through reading of there whitepaper


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: shirackjs on January 14, 2019, 10:03:36 AM
IMO, you have to research and analyse the project before investing. It will be better than asking others or some specialists. There are many self-proclaim crypto analysts around, you have to be careful in asking investment advice.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: corrado25 on January 14, 2019, 10:10:40 AM
It is necessary to decide whether to invest or not to invest it solely by its head and do not trust it to any youtub experts.In fact, now the number of new projects is much lower than a year ago. I would recommend that you still pay attention to those projects that came out a year or two ago and are still alive and evolving.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: 10BTCaDay on January 14, 2019, 10:13:36 AM
IMO, you have to research and analyse the project before investing. It will be better than asking others or some specialists. There are many self-proclaim crypto analysts around, you have to be careful in asking investment advice.
if a person does not know how research projects by himself, then the way is better for him to choose an expert and consult with him otherwise a higher chance to make a mistake


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: coaprotet on January 14, 2019, 10:19:28 AM
I think the market has proven that there is no crypto experts or specialists that can predict the market movements. There were so much predictions and 99 percent of them were false and people have lost a lot of money.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: maculeth on January 15, 2019, 12:42:42 AM
theories often miss, because the crypto market fluctuations are very extreme. You only need investment and hodl for the long term, then you will get a profit within the period of your coin / token.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: tonibyuzen on January 17, 2019, 10:23:35 AM
That should be obvious. If you want to become an investor, do not do it on the wave of popularity, when the rate is constantly growing and spurs you, you probably make a lot of mistakes. Study the market, study the coin, find out the easiest way to buy cryptocurrency, how to store it, on which wallet, how to protect your investment. These are the things you need to understand before you jump on a bus without knowing where it is going.


Title: Re: before investing speak to a specialist
Post by: anehh on January 17, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
it is true that it is better before investing we must understand what we will invest and how price movements occur so that we can make a profit and avoid the risk of loss. There are many ways to be able to learn to understand an investment that we will do, including asking those who have understood well about an investment or we can also learn through the internet and other social media that we are currently very easy to access. Never make an investment if we do not understand it and are only tempted to a big profit without us knowing the risk of loss in it, because if we do it, then we are likely to experience a loss from an investment we do.