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Crypto currency is suppose to turn the middle class into rich people why is that changing now? People got scared of crypto? It's easy money mix in with bankruptcy money. The future is in our hands. Don't be scared . If u know this forum exist , we will have lots of money come 3 years

I sort of agree that crypto currencies can redistribute wealth to the masses. Maybe not ultra-rich, but everyone has an "almost equal" playing field to earn something in the crypto space. No matter where you are in the world as all you need is access to internet.
The first crypto believers are already on top of the pyramid.

Not true at all. Crypto currency was not supposed to do anything with distributing riches.
It was supposed to be a open ledger to transfer value without intermediate.
But in real it's a way of making rich richer and poor poorer.

The printing of something that is considered of value is one of the core foundation of bitcoin.
Banks are not printing BTC but the miners, which are major corporations now.
This is the first time that this happened in history that, NOT the government and financial institutions, are printing or creating something of value.
If you were one of the early adopters last 2011 to 2013, then you are way way ahead of everyone.

crypto currency will be globalised in one day so it is common for all the users. But some peoples are wrongly understand the crypto technology so we should analyse our own is the right way because this is user friendly so all the users are ready to accept the crypto environment so all the class peoples are using this currency in future.

Not everything can happen, because without understanding and knowledge, this is a bad idea that will make someone go bankrupt. I understand what you mean, but they must have experience and maybe someone has to guide or teach them.

In investing in the crypto market, as in any investment, you can either fall or rise. But this market is more democratic, you can invest small amounts in many projects. I think that not only the middle class can rise, but any person, if he is not afraid of the unknown, and is willing to take the risk

Though in the actual fact,crypto is an opportunity to make some profit but is not to get rich rather is much more than that,crypto and blockchain was design to eliminate third party.

Hmm, you have got a very wrong narrative here OP. Crypto currency was never (and isn't) supposed to make anyone rich. There are no guarantees of any sorts that cryptos will keep on rising in terms of prices. Probably this article is perfect for you: https://www.coindesk.com/the-crypto-winter-is-here-and-we-only-have-ourselves-to-blame

This is the very wrong idea that everyone got them broke.

With the hope that it can turn them richer than ever made them fall for investing into the wrong coins. They guarantee profits and they are not settling with the other possibilities to their investors. Start thinking that crypto is for everyone but don't think that you'll ever be rich by just investing $1-$100 now overnight.

This is not necessarily true. Not every investor can become rich. It is very important to invest coins. It is difficult to earn profits in the cryptocurrency market. Perhaps only a good cryptocurrency market can make investors Make money.

Hmmm! I love people who only talk with proofs and evidence. Talking without proofs seems not to be genuine discussion base on my personal understanding, I don’t think there is any relationship between cryptocurrency and riches or wealth distribution. It’s just expected to be a kind of monetary network that doesn’t deal with hard copy and the blockchain making transaction a kind of transparent and open ledger. It’s a great innovations though

This is one of the most ridiculous statements I saw within the last 2 weeks.

This hope is very good. But investment is not without risk. If the coins you buy have no value, the future may disappear. Don't blindly invest in coins. Investment needs to be cautious. Making money and bankruptcy are all possible.

This is saddening that people only see cryptocurrency as a way to improve their finances. This is the main reason why it dumped so hard and is continuously dumping. This kind of thinking is hindering crypto's growth as a technology. Many people are greedy that they just wanted to gain financially, so whenever they hear negative things about it or see even small movement of price downward, they sell off in a rush, without even thinking what cryptocurrency could be 10, 20 years from now. I hope people may see that there's more to crypto than financial gains. In fact, it has many great features as a mode of payment. If only we can change this kind of mentality about crypto, it will reach its full potential, and we will all get what we want from it.

invest just liked gamble, u just can use ur extra money for investment  :)

Well, sort of. But there is also possibilities that higher class people will be downgraded into middle class. Knowing how cryptocurrency's current situation. We cannot really say that all of crypto investors are being successful in terms of trading, investing, etc.

There will be no rich class, many with a small profit immediately take off, there are enough problems with the market and volatility. All of this will most likely affect regress and not progress for investors.

this little flawed way of thinking is the exact reason why the altcoin market is a shitshow instead of being a market where we keep seeing innovations and alternative ways of using the greatest technology called blockchain technology!

people have been misled into thinking cryptocurrency is a way of making money and becoming rich and because of that we currently have pump and dump shitcoins instead  of having actual "Crypto-Currencies" and that is sad and that is why the altcoins are dying hard these days. people are simply dumping what they pumped before.

Please, learn more about what the speculation market is. Those early adopters and who have sold their coin at peak price can be considered as a winner on this market. You should learn more about the speculation market and you must try to re-consider about that. Pump and dump basically this thing was explaining a lot

I think also crypto is like kind of a gambling because it can turn people into rich but it can also make people poor.

Cryptocurrency is for everyone, it is not important you are middle class, rich or poor because in the cryptocurrency even the rich can fall into poverty and poor people can become rich, just how we act in crypto. this is only in my opinion

No, it doesn't. Who keeps on spreading these false things about bitcoin I have no idea. Bitcoin doesn't care if you are rich or poor or middle class, the purpose of bitcoin has nothing to do with bitcoin price. Crypto is not here to provide you money, it is not something that you buy right now and get rich later on, people are not making this ground breaking technology on blockchain so you can get a house, that is not how any of this works.

Crypto is here to shake the finance world from the core and make it more decentralized so that there is a finite amount of money and that would create a non-regulatable coin that would not be controlled by any central governmental power. The purpose is to create a coin for the people, not the middle class people, not the poor people but people in general which includes rich people as well. Learn what crypto is before you make suggestions about it.

Yes this can help to a middle class people which I think most number of people here in cryptoworld to become rich by means of joining bounty campaign or getting involve in trading of cryptocurrency .

you're wrong if you think so. from the start crypto did not promise profit. all need analysis to be able to produce something.

Thats not true crypto-investment is not just easy task to do! and the other you become rich thats not true! The crypto-currency is a highly volatile investment and associated with risk so dont take crypto-currency as and easy money it wasnt work that way.

in my opinion, crypto currencies can turn middle class people into rich people. but it depends on the extent to which people try, determination and consistency in getting it. moreover we can get income from crypto currencies whenever and wherever we are.

- Exactly, and what I see is that crypto only turns some middle-class people into wealthy people, most of the rest are just losing their properties to the crypto, crypto is really like gambling, winning and losing always only a very short distance. However, investors and many new people never understand this story, they just believe in rumors that crypto is a very easy opportunity to turn them into millionaires but if it can do that, everyone here has become a millionaire very early, the fact is that the news is fake, that's just a way to advertise crypto, it's not true

I think crypto is designed to help people manage their wealth independently. so, in such a way, there has to be no intermediaries in the process. This is the main reason for Bitcoin. It is decentralized tech. Meaning, no central entities involved into financial tasks. Only people have the freedom to make transactions and store their wealth freely.. I really see Gigzi project, actually running as an ICO, is the perfect fit for this goal.

* Decentralization
* Transparency
* Safety
* Speed

These qualities will definitely, financially, transform the middle class..

Why do people think that this is th emain way to get rich? Crypto from the first days was meaning like payment system and nothing more!

So far, I see that bygaty have become even richer, and the middle class has remained with a loss-making portfolio, so far those who caught a wave of take-off cryptocurrency are in the black!

not only rich, but there are many more benefits that can be obtained from crypto. yes right, we can get rich by being in this forum and participating in bounties and investing in crypto. other than that if crypto is used as a payment tool, it is also an advantage with a simple and fast transaction.

Well you're a fool if you really think crypto is supposed to work that way. It's only those lazy people looking for an easy and quick way to make money that believe that bs. In the first place, crypto was meant to make traditional transactions better and easier. Not to make anyone rich in a snap.

I would largely disagree with such conclusion because when that happened, it then mean that eradicating the middle class which then further widened the gap between the rich and the poor. I in all honesty don't think that is what bitcoin and crypto currency it's all about. Crypto is all about liberating people financially so far you can be open to it whether you belong to the poor class, middle class or the rich class of the society.

I don't think bitcoin was created to generate any kind of profit or wealth, it was simply created as a means of transference, that now people use it to speculate and trade is something else, but that's probably what's dragging the market down.

it's simple impossible that middle class become rich. Middle class will never disappear.

At least, some of us, that it will be able to make the right decision, can make some or a lot of money. Other, will lose..

I agree with you. Anything can happen here, getting a profit or getting a loss.
Everyone that has joined this cryptosphere needs to know this, so there will be no regret in the future. Just do the best and the best result will come to us :)

Not just the middle class, but even the poor can be made rich through cryptocurrency. Inasmuch as the person is well skilled and knows what he or she is doing. Cryptocurrency has got a great future ahead, i know this and that is why i am not scared. Very soon cryptocurrency will begin to take new form and the scam rate will definitely reduce and encourage more investors.

not everyone will have a lot of money. cryptocurrency market can gives money the same he can take them back. so do not try to find easy money. do everything carefully

This may have been originally intended, but now it's more like rich people are getting richer and poor people are getting poorer. The market is run by whales and so few of the middle class can become rich.

Do not agree with the statement that crypto will turn middle class into rich. Crypto has nothing to do with middle class. Crypto provides access to everybody and has potential to include more then 2 billion people out of finance system. Smart people will make profit no matter if they are  poor or rich. Of course the rich people has more possibilities to diversify their investments and for long holding and to manipulate the market.

This chance is not for many people, only a few people who believe in cryptocurrencies dare to invest at that moment.

Cryptocurrency basically will turn the intelligent people to become rich. When they become rich, they will turn the whole world in the cryptospace. What we need is people that will not just consider themselves but the whole world as one.

IMO, cryptocurrency does not promise such claim that it would make people rich. Individual on the crypto community should be the one to makework around crypto if he want to make money out of it.

This forum is just a medium where you can learn about crypto and it does not have any guarantee that it would make you rich either just being here.

I think lower class has also the possiblity to become in the upper class. If they join a bounty and gather too much token, they can invest it and slowly pave their way to the top until they reach the state of being rich through cryptocurrencies.

of course, this is because many of them are weak and not ready to hand condition crypto. When they're ready and have extensive views on crypto then the middle class will be able to become rich. But if you just hope the results and the results then it is natural when it is precisely among the medium-hard feel lucky on crypto.

I agree with this statement but at the same time it opens opportunity to others or those early adopters and its fine they came here first so that just take it as a reward for them.

If you think that Crypto must turn the middle class into a rich person. Even like that and I see that a rich person also have a lot of money in doing this business. But you also have to have the ability and hard work to get big profits. I am sure this life will be better because they work hard and work seriously.

    Some opinion would take your statemet. but the reality is investment is risky and a lot of things to learn into the ins and out of the crypto market investment. a lot of supposed investors losses their money because of the drops of the crypto market. they had panic reaction instead of patient into their coin investment. With the high vatility of the markey one should learn how to be patient and protect its investment. it is Still possible to gain some profits for a long term investment, market correction will follow aftet the drops, it is also dependent on the volume on investment on how you could earn a huge profits into crypto. small investment equals to small gain proportionate to the money or your amount of investment.Large money invest equals to large profits.

Yes, crypto is a place for every among both lower, middle and upper only process it is necessary to be able to get profit from crypto. In addition to this top class may be more get rich because they invest with large capital. but the middle class will also be able to feel the same things when actually willing to work on a lot of fields that exist in the crypto be it investment and entry in bounty campaign for example.

Many people are afraid of crypto because they are afraid of losing money. Many things happened in Crypto including hacking and many coins that failed. But if you want to get your dreams, of course, you have to take risks. Risk can be prevented, as long as we are always careful.

many of them invest in crypto using the wrong money, which is to use money for life and also savings that are still needed to be used on crypto and when crypto prices fall they become afraid, stressed because they need the money to continue their lives.
make an investment with lost money and it will be useful for the future, and when prices drop like this then it won't make you poor instantly

And yet bitcoin did as promise, many people who invested in early stages of crypto has tremendously gain a lot. Even if you do a survey here in the forum you'll find tons of people became rich from trusting and hodling bitcoin even when the price was low, even there were major crashes they continue to hodl until it reach 20000$ in 2017.

Not all the time that crypto can turn a middle class into higher class group of people, but sometimes can turn middle class into poorer class if they don't know how to handle cryptocurrency. It is all about how to handle risk and how to control patience, cryptocurrency is not for everyone and it is not intended for get-rich-quick scheme. It is intended for other form of transaction for convenient means unlike any other traditional business transaction process.

Because there are many people who say that cryptocurrency can make someone get rich overnight, some beginner traders then buy it but the results are not as expected, because they don't know clearly about cryptocurrency. In the end they were frustrated and sold all crypto assets at lowest prices. Maybe because of this factor that has made them down class from high class to middle class.

I think this is the time for a test of trust on cryptocurrency.
If we could build our trust on cryptocurrency, I'm sure the future of cryptocurrency will be even better.

Crypto currencies actually is not the tools to make someone rich, it was not created for investment, but people like to trade it because its valuable, bitcoin got a high volatility so it could be turning people become rich or become poor, previously there were a lot of people's life become better because of crypto but in this constant bear market a lot of people suffering because the price keep on dropping, but the possibility becoming rich still widely open, now is the time to buy and take profit in the future

It should be borne in mind that the cryptocurrency itself does not create wealth. She can only redistribute them. And this means that if someone for a certain amount becomes richer due to cryptocurrency, then someone should lose the same amount in it. However, all layers of our society who have successfully invested their money in cryptocurrency can become richer in it.

information about crypto is certainly a lot now, if you want to get rich in an instant, read the concrete information written by founding crypto. crypto is not that simple, a lot of science here, if you keep learning it, it will be easier for you to live in this world

yes cryptocurrency can change financial conditions to be very good and can make people become rich but cryptocurrency also has a very high risk because it can make you become poor so you should be careful when investing in cryptocurrency.

Exactly, cryptocurrency is open for everyone they do not have standards like rich, poor, or middle class. If l invest then I have to bear profit and loss as simple as that. I agree it will make super rich in a quick time but there is no standards that's my point.

It is changing because of the falling market, people are tired of the red market and if you have invested in any ICO science August, you have possible lost a lot of money. They are waiting for the better market to start investing and getting real profit.

This is the idea many people had when they decided to go into crypto. It's not a 'get rich quick' scheme, I agree it can make one very rich within a short time if understood very well and with patience. Most people lost their money because they believe investing in cryptocurrency would bring very huge returns not thinking about the ups and downs, fall and rise of price. Its a two way thing, crypto can change ones financial status for the better or worse. As well as it can make one stinkingly rich, it can also make one poor.

It would be nice if everyone here could be a millionaire thatnks to early investing into cryptocurrencies, but I think that it will not be as easy as we think.

People might be scared at cryptocurrency because of its price volatility or lack of knowledge how this thing works. The whales or the bankers are using all their power to manipulate the market and a possible investor's mind that cryptocurrency is dying or being use to scam people. An adoption will surely happen and cryptocurrency will be used as another medium of payment or type of investment that gives you higher return than what banks can offer. All we can do for now is to wait and observe the market. This is the best time to invest.

Who said crypto is for the get rich scheme , crypto was created to revolutionize the financial industry.  People got rekt because of this notion and when   they lost , they blame crypto as as scam investment.

So far, cryptocurrencies have made poorer those people who came here at the end of last year or early 2018.
Perhaps in the future, crypto will continue to grow, but it is unlikely that those who have lost their money in cryptocurrency at least once will invest their money in this market.

I am not sure about how rich i can be - you can make some mistakes and your wealth will disappear. But anyway i am happy to be in crypto and it is one of the best things which happened in my life.

Actually, I has a chance to turn the middle class into rich people but it depends on the value of coins you are holding. The bigger coins or tokens you have and when the price of Bitcoin in market will rise to a highest price then you are lucky because you can sell your coins in a bigger price. Become rich is depends on how you work in cryptocurrency because some are goes through investing to have a big profit.

Yes it is the feature of this market that it have made many people rich and in the beginning it not only made the middle class rich but it also provide a way to make the poor people to become rich who invested in the very beginning. There are many other ways which are making us rich we have not lose the heart.

How will we become rich if at the moment the interest in cryptocurrencies is very low?I see only how the rich turn into the middle class and not vice versa.

I do not think that the matter is in fear. People have chosen a strategy for the presentation. Each strategy is different. So everything will return to normal soon. Everyone understands that the cryptocurrency is promising and will continue to invest.

Crypto currency is not a magic that can turn a middle class into rich people surely. Cryptocurrency is risky and the prices are volatile. If cryptocurrency trading and investment is as easy as that, a lot of people would have not suffered in the recent crash.

well, it seems that middle class people would turn into rich on condition they are smart enough to understand how this technology works and how to play this game in general. then the tesult will be astonishing

yes you are right crypto is not magic that can change someone to get rich easily. if you want a lot of money then you have to do great things because it is a life formula in real life. and if you do things inappropriately, you can become poor for a short time

You seem to as stupid as your post. All these delusional thoughts won't bring you any good. First of all, who told you that crypto currencies were made to turn poor people rich? Crypto currencies were to bring financial freedom. Investing on it has its own risks. You might end up being poor if you take the wrong step. Secondly, this forum is not for making money. We are here to discuss with each other and learn something new everyday.

I agree that the future of cryptocurrencies, and we are now in this market. Many people came to the cryptocurrency market for a quick profit, and I think after such a fall, which we are now seeing, they will never come back here.

Rather, cryptocurrencies can help the poor move to the middle class. Or the middle class in the poor for those people who decided to risk everything and went all in. I can only sympathize with such people.

Crypto wasn't created to make people rich. The first cryptocurrency, Bitcoin, was created to cut out the banks and have another way to transfer money like value. Additionally, it was gonna be completely honest and transparent. And exactly like this Bitcoin indeed does function.

Bitcoin sort of just became this digital gold it was never originally gonna be.

Yes, it is a chance for middle class,so i believe there is a chance for me as well.
I am going to become rich person thanks to crypto currencies

there was no such condition. Those who managed to invest in cryptocurrencies first, became rich. The world is ruled by money, that is, it is logical to assume that rich people manage cryptocurrencies.

At first I thought you were joking, but it seems like you are serious?

I'm sorry, but you are definitely not fit for this and should get out now.

First off, since when was "crypto currency supposed to turn the middle class into rich people?"
Who even thinks something like that?
Did you actually think that there was some kind of promise or guarantee anywhere?
Also the plain fact that literally, it is impossible to take an entire class of people and make them rich, economics doesn't work like that.
It should be common sense.

If you still really think that crypto is some magic thing that will make you rich if you just wait it out, you will lose a lot of money.
You will lose money because your decisions are based on false hope and ignorance that doesn't match reality.

I think it happened, I already felt the profit from the cryptocurrency, my social status rose. two years ago I had nothing, but now I have 1 house and a sports motorcycle, all thanks to the cryptocurrency..  in my opinion, cryptocurrency have turned some people from poor to rich, and vice versa from rich to poor.

I agree with you Cryptocurrencies can make people rich. But for this they should also try. You can't get rich overnight, you have to work so you can get something.

Crypto currency is for all not only for rich since from the start the of the creator nakamoto satoshi
Their goal is to help poor people and country to waking up from the economy progress

Any financial instrument can help people become richer. You just have to use it skillfully. After all, our condition depends on ourselves. There are many ways of earning in crypto and everyone will be able to choose a suitable one for themselves.

there is no quick rich scheme my friend
if you want to be rich you have to discipline on your investments activity and invest only with your own risk
wich mean do your own research before investing on any investments opportunities my friend
i still believe crypto still become a good investments opportunities for long term  ;)

This is only if bitcoin will grow in the future. If it sinks to the bottom and does not grow, then no profits will not be seen.

No matter any existing class in crypto. as long as want to deepen crypto and trying then it will still be able to produce. many may be the middle class even recently prefer silent and resigned to waiting for a condition that occurs in crypto. This makes them difficult to grow and less on top class dared to take the risk.

That was when crypto was soaring that it could make the rich suddenly, but now with conditions like this it would be difficult to make rich people in a short time, like this crypto is rising and falling yesterday in a situation that is rising now in a down situation

keep dreaming until your dream can come true.
for everything to happen it takes a lot of patience and clearly crypto can make impossible things possible.

If your investment must be ready too, because investing can make money or lose money. Investment is usually uninsured by FDIC like a bank account, which means that there is the potential to lose money forever. Investment is the only way to keep up with inflation. I believe crypto will be recovery next year.

yes a lot of people who were initially poor could become rich with the existence of cryptocurrency this can help economic conditions of many people and can provide solutions to existing transaction problems.

Somewhat I agree, since I'm into Crypto it help financially, not to the point that I am rich but  I appreciate because a simple man has an opportunity to take part! People just need to be open minded.  ;D

I'm not sure of it, everybody can make use of any of the cryptocurrency. There is no categorization. cryptocurrency more owned by someone with a big capital investment, because we know the crypto also need large funds. but people from among medium-sized and can make use of crypto to trade and change their lives.

I don't thinks so, I have a lot of friends who used crypto but not rich or even has a good amount of capital too. They earn it on mining and bounty hunting for such a long interval of time, this means that even if there's a crypto whale, still the fishes ( crypto users ) around the ocean is much more bigger than the whale.

Cryptourrency have capacity to lift people out of poverty and lack and the more people get necessary cryptocurrency knowledge that can help them use cryptourrency to make wealth, the better they become financially!

I think we can earn a lot of money after 3 years. Right now, the only problem is everyone's worried. Those who are patient and who do not leave the market will win. I am waiting patiently. The market has fallen into a bad situation in the past. But then he recovered. Why don't he just pack up?

it's a personal responsibility to get rich.  if your market analysis hit the spot, then of course, the chances of compounding your investment will be very high.   also, it depends on the amount of money you will be staking.

I don't think that is the main idea of cryptocurrency. I believe that cryptocurrencies purposes is more than just making rich people.
I believe everything is about usability and simplicity of modern payment and investment system, that is what i think of cryptocurrency.

So what is the reason that you can said if cryptocurrency suppose to be used as a tool to make any middle class into reach people?
If that is the real reason behind cryptocurrency, then there is no point in using cryptocurrency anymore.

There is no guarantee whatsoever when you enter Cryptocurrency and it all depends on how you work. I feel that wealth is very difficult to achieve and everything depends on your capital. Many people lose money because they try to invest beyond their means. You have to try slowly so you get profit.

Are we rich already? No?

Back to work!

there's no guarantee that if all middle-class people here can get a lot of money and be able to get rich, it all depends on luck because when the market is like 2017, there are still many people complaining that they don't get a lot of money people who complain :D

I'm not rich ...
let's work :D

The essence of creating cryptocurrency is not in enriching anyone either in terms of money (although with the help of crypto-currencies, you can make a profit in different ways). We need to look more globally, since cryptocurrencies are primarily technologies that can improve our lives and show something new.

With the help of cryptocurrency, you can get incredibly rich, as it was in 2017–2018, and you can become poor, as it happens now.

This is an optimistic view. If it is pessimistic, then the cryptocurrency is turning the middle class into a poor person. In fact, I think this is a fact. The global economy has serious problems, but politicians are getting rid of this problem. The future middle class will disappear.

I think that you have some idealistic thoughts about cryptocurrency. It can only make rich people who are already rich .

This metaphor is a bit paranoid and has certain possibilities. Encrypted currency is the best way for investors to get rich, not just for the middle class. Moreover, cryptocurrency investment is not always profitable, and losses are also very common, especially during the downturn of the cryptocurrency market.

The Bitcointalk forum did give me a lot of help. Here, I found the first bounty work and got a reward. I am very grateful to Bitcointalk!

People will get rich of they know where they are investing at, regardless of the status of everyone. The rich might become richer or poor. The reason why people are successful in crypto is that they either take the risk or they just disciplined theirselves.

To get rich, work it hard and be wise in trading.

at the moment, it does not look like cryptocurrencies will make people rich. but i do not want to judge too hastily. maybe the turn will come eventually and the prices will rise again. i hope so.

Let's hope that this will happen, although to be honest, the current situation on the market is slightly discouraging!

actually the fear of most people arises when prices continue to fall and no longer dare to save a lot of coins in the present, and I myself believe that in the future there will be a change in a difficult situation into a comfortable situation.

In my opinion, actually cryptocurrency can indeed change someone from the middle class to get rich. but it does not rule out the opposite. it all depends on ourselves in living it.

I would like to believe in it. But now I look at the price of BTC $ 3500, and all hope goes away.

Cryptocurrency is supposed to involve everybody and to give access for those who are not involved in the financial system. And they are over 2 Billion. It is not supposed to make anybody rich or poor, this is not it`s purpose. Of course, some will become rich with crypto and some will become poor based on their activities on the market.

Crypto was never about that! And speculations were always about that! Cryptocurrency is and always was about releasing out of chains of banks and governments and financial freedom.
Speculators who saw potential in technology early got rich, but they are just as bad as governments, power hungry whores!