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Most people are here complaining about the dip in crypto and asking when the market is going to recover, yet they are the same people busily dumping all their holdings hard on exchanges. Who should continue holding and stabilize the market for you? Don't be a selfish investor.

Basically they are dumping their coin and then blame the crypto market if that was not their fault and this is such a hypocrite person. They should continue to hold theirself from dumping their tokens. But remember there was a lot of greedy person in the market.

that's right, to be honest they will be provocateurs to trigger other people to panic and follow their steps to dump their assets. therefore do not be affected whatever they shout and stick to our own beliefs.

it is every one choice to hold or to sell their coins , we can not blame any body to dump their coins. what if they hold their coins and market still dumps. so it is totally their decision. Other thing is if they sell their coin and market goes green that is also their loss. I believe holders will get benefit of their holdings as i am sure every one will be back in the market soon.

That is all about free will to do whatsoever the person think is right to do that doesn't disregarded the rules of the land. As far as k know, the motto that I  remembered was "don't trust anybody."  To be honest, now I think that it is also including the strategy of individuals to do whatsoever they think profitable for their own good. Even we speak curses, harsh works, still we cannot deny the fact that this is not about unified strategy but this is about individual strategy base on their own understanding of what is right. Blaming others of dumping the price cannot help you.

You are right,many are contributing to the fall in price of these coins by dumping as a result of panic and fear,and some are just trying to manipulate the market.

Personally, I really do not subscribe to the idea of blaming people for not decking to hold their coins. It's really their choice whether or not to hold their coins. If they hold their coins and the market goes completely red, that wouldn't be funny either. So, it's their decision, actually.

There is so much fud that they think it is going to die, but bitcoin is here for the long term and a bull run can be very fast. They will regret selling when the price jumps 50% in one week

I have never felt contributing to the current fall in prices.
I have never sold tokens at low prices or under ICO prices. so I don't feel like building a market

the problem is that most people behave like parasites and just don't care about anything else but their own small profit... just waiting for someone else to do the thinking and working for you...
they are so dumb that they even hurt themselves, selling really bellow the real value

In order for the cryptocurrency market to recover, there must be a large inflow of funds to drive investor enthusiasm.

I agree we contribute to the unstable position of the market by doing so many things wrongly.
Like spreading fud and unfounded rumours about the market.
Panic dumping our coins at a miserable low price far beyond the rate we bought even, thereby causing unnecessary price rift and dump from others.

Yes, not only we need it to recover the price. We also need it to make a healthy improvement for the future,
a few months ago, Bitcoin was traded at $20.000. For a new investor, they thought it was an expensive thing while it does not have any usability at all.
but now it is totally different, people might think we are killing the market. but the fact is, we are trying to keep it healthy by pushing the price and attracting new investors.
we can not survive if the demand is decreasing, and I believe this is one of many reasons why we pushed the price down this much,

I think the cryptocurrency market is getting worse for two reasons!
1. Price control! Whales can attract investors by raising prices, and then they sell encryption, causing many investors to join the loss!
2. Fraud! Many investors went bankrupt because of the ICO scam!

Investors and bounty hunters are killing this market by participating in scam projects. They are too lazy to check anything, to read the whitepaper or to research the team members. They just want profit and it does not matter what ICO/coin to support.

You can not decide for people when to sell their coins, especially as you don't manage their portfolio for them. Everyone has a motive for investing in crypto and none is wrong since it's their money. If anyone decides to capitulate at this time, they shouldn't be blamed because in the end no one will share their loses with them. Investments like you should mentioned shouldn't be done with sentiments and emotions. This is a free entry and exit market, at least that's why we're all here.

Yes that’s true fact people that are making this bear market worst are does that are dumping there coins the are the ones killing the market to.

I think we that are into cryptocurrency are the ones killing ourself most especially the fake people that are all over looking for there fellow members to scam which is now making newbies calling cryptocurrency a scam platform and its making them hard to understand it. 

Haha, so true. Everyone giving messages of HODL and yet market keeps going down. That just means people want others to HODL, so they themselves can cash out.

i keep my coins and certainly not dump them into this market. selling now would not be the best idea. i want the prices rise again and therefore i do not participate in the dump.

The ones killing the market are opportunistic investors who don't give a damn about cryptocurrency but the profits from it. They blew everything up in the first place and now are leaving in herds and herds and there's no reason why they should not. This market no longer proves attractive to them. So yeah it's just the 'for profit only' guys that we should blame. There's still a lot of believers though.

Majority of People here and any investment industry are emotionally driven they cannot stand to see they are losing money that they dumped their coin to cut their losses, we cannot blame the market is sliding continuously and only those who invested what they can afford to lose are not dumping or a great believer that BITCOIN WILL ALWAYS COMES BACK.

yes you are right, sometimes I am surprised by this situation they complain about a market that is always down. but they also continue to throw tokens to the market.

This is like an irony, one way to make the market better is to stop selling and holding. the more people who do this the faster the market rises.

Unfortunately it never happen. people prefer to sell crypto at the bear market. too many people panic right now. so it's difficult to make the market recover.

impatience that makes them afraid and throws away lots of coins in the crypto market, in fact they only want a minimum of losses so they are busy asking questions in various media.

Sell buy cut lost holding etc is a personal decision of each other because each person has own strategy for seeking profit. We can not blame anyone because we can't control other people to do something we want. People selling or dumping market necessarily have their own plan and will look foolish when we follow the people/whales without analysis in the beginning.

We are killing the market ourselves, and yet we are not

sometimes in crypto currency, it is better to dump a token than for the token to dump on you
with this present bearish market, some tokes will fall below 1 gwei and never rise again.

So either selfish or not, be smart.

I think that those people who dump their coins now is killing the crypto market , especially they are a "big bags" . If no one will sell , then price won't dump anymore . The problem is that a very large number of cryptocurrencies are owned by traders and exchanges and it is they who crush the market with sales. Ordinary investors can not affect this ...

I think I can reason well along with the OP. Such people will never change. Go to the telegram groups of ICOs and you would also see such act to be very common. They will dump and still come back to complain. Some of them have made up their minds not to hold again.

We are the reason why the market has been dropping,
We are the one's who is responsible for the price we are the one who is putting the demand in the market.

You cannot blame these people, they invested money in their coin, it is rational for them to seek profit and sell their holding at the sign of it.  They were lured to investment by the promise of these projects for the possible profit, so holders should not be blame alone here.  You cannot take profit if you hold your coin, no?  In some point you have to sell it.  Marketing and development is under the responsibility of the project owner.  They should have a concrete plan on how to mitigate value depreciation of their coins.  I see some project do this by implementing bonuses when holding their token.  At least they are making an effort to prevent holders in dumping their coin.

Make sense. I myself have somehow yelled because of these dumping but there were times I myself have to dump and it's not only me. And yes, I realized that's a very selfish attitude.

Everyone.

Let them complain and do what they want, it is their money after all so don't mind them if they keep on asking and yet they are dumping their own tokens.

Theoretically, the price of a coin depends on supply and demand, but one should not forget that the market of crypto-currencies can be manipulated by “whales”, which can affect the price of bitcoin and, accordingly, the market situation in general. therefore, small investors and tokens holders cannot drastically change the situation on the market.Personally, my opinion.

It is not the small investors who bring the market into this situation, but rather whales. Realizing the amount of sales installed. They caused the market to come to this.

If we support each other to give positive things in the world of cryptocurrency. I'm sure good things will emerge and prices will continue to improve.

Fair point. Some of those who complains about "manipulators", "bears", or "whales" are also panic sellers. I do not think these so called manipulators/bears/whales can bring the market down if we do not panic sellers.

that's something else that I don't understand much about the community, they complain that the market is dying and they're doing nothing to recover it, and they go and dump all their coins just get them out of the exchange, and if at least they switch to BTC or ETH to make hodl or trade, but they'll probably sell them.

This question makes sense but how about the small investor? Do you think they will be ready to bear the loss if he/she have bought coins for a reasonable price? Not at all small investors come here only in the intention to make some profit. If the market is red they will hodl for sure. The thing is big whales playing a vital role here. Think about it If you are not a FUD.

I think the most contributing to the fall of the market today is the pope, those who play a role.
we here only small fish food for them, but I also agree with your opinion. if people are not selfish selling all assets only for their small profits. I think the market will improve a little. and does not worsen this situation.

It's actually advice into the void. Many holders of the cryptocurrency won't read it. Investors come from the idea of making a profit or keeping some of their assets, so they are always selfish because they risk their savings.

there are many reasons for the current fall in the value of cryptocurrency, one of them as you mentioned here. In addition to the existence of whale, panic investors and coin holders / tokens, the strategies of large capital people, also the increasing number of tokens popping up and not being matched by investor interest.
this is only one of them. However, hopefully the invitation not to panic can reduce the crypto fall a little.

This is basic economics. The current supply in the market is far higher than the demand meaning there is bound to be a continuous drop in prices.  Unless there is fresh funds coming into the system to help shore up the capitalization, this bearish market conditions may endure longer than first thought.

This is indeed making sense. We are really contributing to the market downfall with our actions especially to those qho are selling due to panic which makes the price of a crypto to fall even more. Many investors are also not participating at this moment resulting for the projects to more likely fail due to lack of investors. So maybe, we should start it from ourselves.

Many people just panic and start selling everything. But such people have already left the market probably. Stayed only believers. In any case, everyone has the right to dispose of their investments. We do not have enough money to influence the market.

I agree with the author. we must now invest money in the cryptocurrency market but not exactly sell our assets

Most of them are weak hands and having doubts to whether sell or hold then when they read FOMO NEWS in the internet they will start selling and blaming their losses to crypto.

Maybe they did this because forced, considering the cryptocurrency market had been bearish for almost 1 year. Although there are many investors who dump all their holding, but if the market is bullish it does not have an impact. To prove this you can see the chart in the previous year.

Small investors do not sell cryptocurrency but believe in its future.

Now fraudsters and administrators of ICO projects sell cryptocurrency.

When they run out of cryptocurrency, the market will recover

Looking at the comments and disparate statements made in the last couple of months by the members of this forum, I believe that we have great impact on the price as well. Support is important, no matter if it is some new and anonymous coin or BTC.

I do not think that we are killing the market because we believe in it and how we can, and we support it

In any case, ordinary investors do not have a lot of coins deposited on crypto exchange markets, so they cannot significantly affect the price of any top capitalized crypto currency. For example, look at the Bitcoin Rich List. Millions BTC coins are concentrated on dozens of Bitcoin addresses. They are really "whales". If these large coin holders start selling a huge amount of their coins or token, the markets will crash drastically. Therefore I do not think that we (ordinary traders) are killing crypto exchange markets ourselves, because our overall amount of coins is small compared to the funds of "whales". I advice to buy promising coins and sell coins on high levels, gaining profits at any time.

One of the factors affecting the not so good market this year is the investors thay just entered crytocurrency for a single reason that this is a profitable ventures. They just put their money and then let it grow without any consideration to the technology and projects in line. They just care about their profits. This is the effect of the hype last year. Now, at least this year, probably most of them will learn their lessons.

that's ironic but that's how it happened, even though they knew that their actions really made the crypto value go down but they did it anyway because maybe they sold some of their coins to be able to survive up to bullrun because as we know it's very difficult to make money when the market is still like now

This is very true, most people are eager to see the market at a normal price even though they themselves make it crumble

Of course, we ourselves are doing this as well, as we are being led to fake news that the cryptocurrency has come to an end

You are absolutely correct about your point and i think you won't blame those people because they have lost a whole lot out of their asset, i think the space needs some great news to attract more investors into the space for the market to recover.

We have to accept the reality, you can control the market, the thing you only can do is protect your investment.

May be you had a point that some people here cryptocurrency space are also the ones killing it. But, the down market is caused by a lot of factors, and you're reason is only one of them. Single handedly pointing to these situation would not kill the market. However, we can do our small share of solutions to make the market back to its normal state.

Many people are hodling their coins but not to that point of taking so long sometime it need more effort and patience. Most of them weren't able to survive and given up the commitment due to need of money even though they're losing much. However when price started to recover back, buying back is the other options for them.

Well this market is free, open for everyone so its going to be difficult to say others to stop dumping their tokens or coins and I wouldn't call them a selfish investors themselves. It is what it is, others buy in dip, but majority sell their tokens to get a reward. The market will recover itself, we might point fingers to others specially the whales, but with no central authority who manages everything, you can do anything you want here, just saying. What we need is something positive that will make the investors pour their money again.

The market is killing massive panic, it is always present in people, and if we consider that for some people such moments for the first time, there is nothing surprising.

In any market, some people hold their investment and some people selling their investment and its uninviteable. Anybody have their own decision and thats why market always fluctuating. If supply and demand equal, i think market price will stable but we know that in this bear market, most people panic and selling their coin at cheap price.

I don't blame those dumping now because it is very obvious they had the intention that crypto is a "get-rich-quick" investment. Perhaps they failed to learn the fundamental concepts of how Bitcoin and the market has survived up to date. Some of the early adopters of Bitcoin during the era of the creation of BTC had to hold for years before seeing the all time hit in 2017. Why then are contemporary investors looking forward to make riches in just some few weeks to months after joining crypto investment?

robably, but if you've chosen to hold, it doesn't matter what the short term holds. Even though I wish I sold at the top, selling now would be foolish unless you are in truly dead projects.

Yes, we kill the market ourselves, but this is due to the manipulation of large players in the capital market

I dont sell and neither i blame somebody else for this market , its obvious that Crypto can't go just up all the time and same goes for everything else in life . Im not worried if Crypto will drop to 1 million marketcap , because i invested what i can afford to lose . Crypto / blockchain is really new and have really big potential to grow big

People are panicking because they don't want to lose more money. The price dump is creating a ladder effect, the further the prices fall, the more people panic. Only experienced crypto trader or investor knows what is going around the market. Just keep holding.

I think we should start a campaign that will educate other people and help them to understand more about the market and its behavior. We cannot blame those people who decided to dump their coins or tokens because they are doing decisions depending on their needs and feelings. Instead, we should explain to them the results of their actions and decisions.

may indeed indirectly many of the investors who made the condition became progressively worse. but it also did not escape the crypto that is in poor condition as well. plus a lot of decision making to the detriment of the market and ultimately this makes all conditions become increasingly falling.

In a cryptocurrency, everyone can act in their own way, as it seems to him most beneficial for the preservation and enhancement of their coins and tokens. Therefore, I do not think that it is worth blaming someone that he does not keep his cryptocurrency. This is the same market as other markets. If we deliberately keep the cryptocurrency and thus artificially raise its price, the same thing will happen that we see after December last year, when after a sharp rise in the price of bitcoin the market still stagnates after the price decreases by 70 - 90 percent .

Its a bit dilema situation, its true that if we keep on selling then we contribute to the falling of crypto but each investors got the limit before they cutloss or take profit, so we only could suggest them to hold and keep on attracting more investors, if the investors see an opportunity to make profit they surely will hold and buy more, but this long bear market makes us difficult to convince anyone

If people continue to sell their coins in panic, prices will continue to fall. Helping can only if people hold their coins and begin to stock up on cheap coins. At the moment this might be the best thing that can help the crypto market.

That needs a strong ad and I think with the current situation of crypto is not possible. You can only wait for the market price to recover and persuade them to come together again from the beginning, but now the fear is covering the market and no one will help you out :'(

Well, this is a trade. Many say one thing and do another. Everyone wants to re-buy cheaper.

Who want to lose their hard-earned money without making a profit? Yes they know how crypto works, if the situation doesn't make you favour it is far better to hodl. We cannot blame the hodlers to sell the coins for a better market, even they are believing the value may go up oneday.

By right they can only blame themselves for dumping what they have and contribute to the bear market, but they are also human and human have fear also when they see the market drop everyday they are afraid maybe the next day their entire portfolio is being wiped out.

There may be a community of all investors and then they try to reduce this market. And maybe they aim so that many people sell coins so the market falls. And if the price is below, they only buy more coins with large amounts. So the market will slowly increase again.

It is not a bad thing to cause panic. In fact, investors and capitalists want to see it all. Only when speculators abandon the cryptocurrency market will they take off, and whales won't make too many people make money.

there are few investor and the lack of demand make the price drop. when price drops there are always that panic as a result they sell there coins and others will follow.

That's a clear case of shooting yourself in the leg cause the complains are everywhere and they are same people saying the market is down yet they dump which is very bad

I equate that with the fear of loss and panic in the market, smart people buy and stupid people sell, in my opinion. The market will not always fall if you are in a drawdown, it is better to buy coins than to lose money by fixing losses.

Common misconceptions of those who so called investors, they always follow news and that results to a certain directions, when the market is pumping more fomo's are investing money and when the market fells fuds will show up and shaken weak holders to sell out, the problem will just continue until
another pumped showed up and repeat itself.

Fraud ICOs are killing the market. People are tired of loses and nobody wants to invest in something, because this year was very unprofitable. I think we need to wait for the better market situation to see the better picture.

Crypto has always been about free market with supply and demand determining the price. If you believe in some project or product just be happy you can get a good price right now because people act like sheep.

That is for sure! Basic truth is that as we have two sides to the market which is the bullish and the bearish face, whereas we also have different categories of people in the market, which includes those who are busy selling at loss, those who are packing at the bottom and accumulating as much as possible, those who have been able to sell at the peak and now looking for a right moment to buy the bottom, and then those who are simply waiting patiently and holding to the future and possible long term increase in value. We cannot kill a market that has great value, but one thing is that our own actions will depict whether we are killing our own future in the market or not.

People that are investing in fraud projects and hunters that are promoting such projects are also responsible for the current market situation. It is too difficult to investigate a project? They are just too lazy to check the project before investing.

as well as many bounty hunters do not analyze the projects. they don’t even upset for their time spent on scam advertising

I think the decline in cryptocurrencies is closely related to everyone, because each of us has a different amount of crypto, but we all choose to sell them to protect our own interests!

Well, one thing for those who have been holding their coins is simply based on the fact that they do not have any other choice anymore than to just hold, knowing that to be selling now is not even the point for anyone who is smart. One way or the other, we will always get to have people who end up panicking for no reason at all, and then people who are smart enough to see the market right now as an opportunity. It happens in every market, so one way, I would not say people are responsible for killing the market, but the truth is that people are basically responsible for killing their own pockets if they sell at loss in the long run.

It is a domino effect, and it's human instinct to save whatever you can save, especially when the trend keeps on, only die-hard investors who are comfortable even if they lose all their investment, but there are only a few people who are doing this and many people are selling their stocks even at 50% lost.

I think not everyone here is killing the marker. For example I am a long term investor and I encouraged all of my friends to not sell in times like this.

Most people do not have so many assets to conduct a serious manipulation of the market, only those who work with a large number of coins have this opportunity!

Like many, I was bought in January, when there was great excitement in the market. To sell for me now is meaningless - let it fall to zero if it comes to that, anyway, the loss is so huge now, there won't be much difference.  ;D And, I think, for many the situation is the same. Honestly, I do not know how long this artificial lowering will last, but I think the bottom is very close. Need to buy now.  ;)

I think panic sellers are also responsible for the current market situation. They are making the situation even more worst. However, we cannot blame them, some people choose to cut their losses and buy the dip just to average their investment cost. If you have the capacity to hold, just hold.

Cryptocurrency works with the demand and supply principle so if we really want our tokens to have value, then the best thing to do is to hold and motivate others to also hold.

And shouldn't the market be stable even in such a situation? It turns out that now there is a real value of coins, and not overvalued due to demand. Then what kind of ideal market can we talk about when no one is engaged in improving their product, and is only waiting for recognition and high prices.

How does "holding" increase demand? It potentially only decreases supply. The fact is a lot of these coins and tokens, I'd say 90% of them, offer no real utility and only exist because from 2014-2017 crypto was the next big thing. They are ideas marketed to people looking to cash in on the whole crypto craze without any long-term goals or will to follow through with them.

Do not assume that this is what the market ended. I think there are people who like the market going down like last time. From there they (probably the organizers) are slowly buying into the BTC and altcoin they see potential

We already killed this market, it will take a very long time to recover. Vitalik said that the 1000x days are over. I certainly disagree if bitcoin goes sub 1,000$ (unlikely) there will be more chances to have 1000x returns. The people who have bought massive amounts of bitcoin in the early days and are dumping, those are the people that are guilty. I believe that people who bought bitcoin in 2017-2018 are still holding.

Blame the fake holders from the early days. Most of the people in this forum have sold this year, the bitcointalk forum donation address has spend 8,000 BTC :D
I thought that this forum was made for true holders? LOL

We are also keeping the market alive ourselves as well. Crypto markets are not something that is regulated or controlled by any one power. Which means there is nothing that backs up crypto prices neither. When bitcoin worth $20k at its height it was there because people believed the price should be like that and we valued each bitcoin that much.

When bitcoin drops to 3 thousand dollars it is not because outside affects, it is because people with bitcoin sold their bitcoins and there was not enough buyers which means we killed it ourselves. Whatever happens to any crypto currency price ever, it happens because the market (meaning us) decide to make that. There are no government regulations on the price, no one will go to jail for manipulation bitcoin prices. Hence we do kill the market but we also keep it alive at the same time.

First of all, coinmarketcap is killing crypto, as it lists and publishes every type of information, without elementary filter.
And afterwards, published infos are not relevant and therefore changes the real look of this/that project.

I think patience is the key to investment. I have experienced a bearish market in 2014. Many investors are out and they buy back that coins at a fairly high price. So, you can see the market will be a recovery next year. But the current situation is not suitable for long-term investment, wait until the market confirms to bull run.

In a sense, we are since we jsut dump the coins as long as the list exist. we just throw it out. resulting to cheaper price leaving the investors poorly judgement about the market with its ICO and result low investments level and I think ICO teams should strictly supervise the distribution by stricter KYC.

As for me, I am not sure that the usual guys like we are could kill the market. The whales are the biggest players. They have the largest part of the crypto, and they can affect the prices on the market.

Now all buy and sell with a small profit. No holders. That's why we don't see growth. People themselves to blame that there is no growth. Come back!

Dumping has always been one of the key causes of drop in coin prices so if we all continue to hold and no one is dumping, I believe it is going to have a positive impact on the market.

Market of cryptocurrency is always depending on the people of the world.
If we will be having a bullrun or bearseason it is on the peoples hands.
Remember that the price in the market dictates by the demand of the people. if it fall then there are no demands!

I am think my holding strategy dont killing market.
Market kill peoples who have big amount of moneys, they dumping price on centr exchanges and then rebuy it on otc

we cannot blame those who throw away their coins when the market is broken like this because all have rights and that is their own choice, if indeed hold makes the market return good it does take a long time. it doesn't matter if they also want to secure their funds so they don't suffer fatal losses. we don't have to blame others as much as this.

We are doing so by investing in fraud project. If every investor would very carefully check each project, there would not be any fraud ICO, because people would never invest in projects without a great whitepaper and a working product.

Well said! I agree with every word) If we want crypto market to stay alive, develop and prosper then we must help it! And all we can do is buy and hodl)) That's as simple as that. They say the market rewards those who are patient. So be patient, hold your crypto assets until the moon starts) And become rich when the new highs will be reached!))

Selling your coins with loss or dumping it is legit. It is the free choice of the market participants what they do with their coins.
The price is declining not because dumping but because lack of demand.

You can not force a person to hold their assets when he urgently needs money. I am sure that now there are enough investors who hold a lot of coins and are waiting for the market to recover.

And why then the market. People sell their project assets and reinvest in the market by supporting other projects. The fall of the market is not connected with the fact that people sell their coins after entering the stock exchange.