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People will sell off coins here at the end of the year to claim a big loss on their taxes.  But we need more than that.  We need bad news.  We need negative press stories.  We need security flaws to be "discovered", even if they don't really exist.

And why do we need this?

To get the prices down so I can buy in cheap to several coins, and then let them ride to BIG PROFITS on the next market cycle upswing!

Gotta get that dolla dolla bill, yo!  :)

that a bit selfish .
the price is low now , if keep crashing they may not recover .

Not today Satan, not today.
Nor tomorrow.


BTW. In 50% understood your joke. In 25% understood your mental condition. In 24.5% I suggest to buy 1000000 dogeoshi to feel like a millionaire. Big profits.


Big show.

https://i.imgur.com/ocCHZFI.png

Just wondering on where that .5% go?  :-\ :'(

Due to bad market condition maybe he's brain is already done with such decline and now he do likes for more. haha

Do you want to drive the prices more as it is now? do your part of buying already and just see if the market will go better or not for the next weeks. It is said that the large players are already doing their part and has bought a lot during these times.

He isn't negative to the market, he wants to see the price more negative so he can take advantage and fill all of his bags before the great recovery comes.

You wrote positive forecast. But some ICO projects can absolutely die after their tokens go down and people earn 0.

What a dumb mindset and ideas if you really meant it. You can really see that you are in no way a supporter and is only after the part where you "can earn"

You seem to be blinded by the idea that it will soar up high no matter what happens, let me tell you that its not. Too much price crash is really bad as it may take a long time for it recover or worse, may never be able to. Hell, a proven security flaw could lose almost everyone's trust. Even a misleading report about it regardless of whether its proven or not could still have a huge effect especially to non-bitcoin users 'cause a lot of them are close minded who doesn't even bother digging info before believing something.

it looks like a very risky way, so what do you do when you get coins at cheap prices? Will it be easy to revive the market like what you say "and then let them ride to BIG PROFITS on the next market cycle upswing!"?

It is the utmost desire of every individual who is doing anything related to crypto currency. But I think amount of such type of persons have increased so much that no one is ready to buy. This trend is in trend from last few months. Some are selling to reduce their losses. Everyone have their own theory to sale and buy as well. We must work together for the betterment of crypto market.

We already got a lo of bad press already that drives the market price down. And by the way, this is a free market so anything goes. So its going to be difficult to collude with others for the purpose of crashing the price not unless you're a big fat whale swimming in the crypto sea. But I doubt so please stop with this non-sense idea of yours.

 
i don't think that's a big factor. the IRS caps deducted capital losses at $3000 so this would only be relevant for very small fish.


all you need is for bitcoin's bear market to continue. that will guarantee more blood in the alt markets. ;)

Why do you want that, I think there are a lot of people who want to grow now because they feel hopeless about the declining market conditions.

taking advantage of market stress where many traders panicked to sell, then he only needed to buy a cheap coin to fill their crypto warehouse. it is ironic and I will not be provoked, crypto still has a future and I will hold it back until the value improves

Interesting way of thinking but the market isn't working according to someone's wishes. No one hasn't such power to rule the market in the way it's convenient for him at the moment but you have to adjust to the conditions on the market and act accordingly.
I think the price is already low enough and how you will use this and have profit in the future it's up to you.

All of the investors and the market itself don't need to adjust for you, you should be the one who adjust  :-\. You know what, it can still be considered okay (IMO) to wish for a big dip in order to buy more and get much profits when the right time comes because I understand that investors got a natural trait of being greedy (it's hypocritical to deny it) but encouraging others to create bad news or FUDs? A big NO, it was too much.

Are you aware that your greed eats you? You're toxicated dude.

So everything was getting on well until you used the word ‘I’ and that shows how selfish you are. Your type are the ones that don’t deserve anything from this, cause all you think is yourself, but I won’t blame you though, yes we all need money but don’t act selfish. I won’t be surprised if you’re the one disappointed at last.

let's hope that doesn't happen at all. a recession like this is very stressful. I think that it should recover and come back to normal)now papeterie coins you have and then soon, they suddenly grow up and be rich)

Well, i know no one will listen to you since every traders/investors have their own strategies when it comes to cryptomarket and I know they know how to ride the market trend. You don’t need to encourage everyone to go with you, just wait for the market to dump itself because it will always happen. Pump and dump will be the trend for the next coming years, so prepare some money for that. Keep on trusting cryptomarket, keep on investing and great rewards will come soon.

There is no need to do anything like that, I understand your desire to buy coins for a cheap price but the market is already very cheap if you cannot afford to buy coins even when the market is this cheap then your problem is not the price of the coins your problem is the low capital that you are holding and you need to work to try to get more of it before it is too late.

It seems interesting, but I don't think you can manage the market, and I don't think everyone will have thoughts like you.

I did not know that, I mean, people invest in bitcoin, but when the end of the year do they sell their bitcoins to buy Christmas things? this does not make sense to me, it does not make sense because people should have money to cover their expenses in real life and let their bitcoin make a profit


We have this every day.



"  buy in cheap  "?

How will you know if the price is  cheap?

Everyone have different set of mind so some peoples are work hard because of bearish trend is interesting to buy more crypto in low cost. I believe right traders are active in this market because most of the altcoins are make good profit in daily trading and I hope again we will not see this bearish market.

YOU are a God damn genius brother and dont mind those bitterhat calls you greedy and selfish lol

But i love your idea since this is the job of those spreading Fud’s and misinformation regarding to the right position of market,thats why many are riding the fake news and the next day prices will dump drastically so many of those can buy in cheaper prices.

Wanna be with you when time that this things happen,so i am surely becom a millionaire

He's simply sounding like a noob and I believe no one will be able to convincing all the people to sell off for whatever reasons. I am must be one of them I am a firmly holder of bitcoin regardless of whatever negative uses will be around. It is possible for me because I am believing in to the futures of bitcoin so whatever things will be happening today will be wiped out and bitcoin will stand bigger in coming years. I'm very much confident about that.

That is the point. Some people always want to time travel so that they can be achieving easily what they actually dreaming all the day time. They will never understand the real facts of our day to day life too.

He just wants us to work as one but the truth is we can't because no matter what we do there is always someone that will stay on the other side. So, let's just make what is right in it and let the other follow what you have been doing since almost everyone is like following only what is the given way to them. The market is always unpredictable no matter what we do to it.

Before it's too late? :D

Nobody should be worried about that right now. We've got lots of time to accumulate for the next bubble. The recent crash pushed any possibility of a bull market back by many months. Now the market needs to absorb all the new supply at these levels (supply from bagholders at $6,000+) before a reversal and uptrend will take place. My speculation is that we'll enter a bull market in 2020 and the next parabolic run will occur in 2021.

Over-crashing the market will lead to people leaving for good. No-one wants to be involved in an investment where you lose 90% of your money which is exactly what happen this year. Confidence is needed now or it could be lost forever

Why would we want to crash all coins that is what I wonder. I mean what could we gain from crashing all coins. Even if assuming we are all against crypto, lets assume we are all wanting the bad to happen to crypto currencies, we hate them, what could we get from crashing them?

I mean we need to hold a lot of short futures in order to even profit from the crashing of all coins to begin with and that's one part of crypto community that is keeping the community alive. Short futures are part of stock markets as well and they have been dropping insanely these last few weeks but they have been going higher in the past decade since the 2008 so that means we could learn to live with short futures as well. No matter where you look it from there is no point of profiting from the crashing of all coins.

I pray some of us has the kind of mind you have and not the current kind of complaining we are having when cryptocurrencies market goes down. Dumping is an opportunity to buy from the current holders and that makes bitcoin or coins to go around all of us.

We have a long time for that to happen that is true but raising capital to invest in the market is not a simple or easy thing, it takes years to raise enough capital if you have many obligations like a mortgage or a family that depends on you, so it is better to begin to save our money with a sense of urgency even if it could take years for the market to recover so we can get as much bitcoin as possible.

Some like to save "in socks", others like to save through long-term investments in real estate or in gold, and others like to risky saving by investing in cryptocurrencies. Everyone decides what he want to do with his savings. I think that the prices of all cryptocurrencies in 2018 have fallen so much that the risk of loss has dropped to a minimum. So if you decide to invest, this is probably the best moment.

Hoping bitcoin price crash again through negative news is not good because for me to be honest if the price crash again then how many people will buy more bitcoin because some people only talk while the price down even some of them don't dare to buy bitcoin even quit from crypto world and for me don't expect bitcoin price lower than the current price because it cause people sell their bitcoin and not buying

That type of logic will not help bitcoin at all. You can get bitcoin to drop to 1 dollar each and buy as much as you can in order to profit but when the price drops to 1 dollar it doesn't mean it will recover right away, maybe it will keep continue going down ? Maybe it will stay there for a long time ?

There are coins that used to be 35+ dollars (like nano) which are about 1 dollars right now, that is about x30+ profit if you are willing to risk, go buy some nano and wait for it to go back to all time high prices, bitcoin is only x5 away from all time high prices whereas nano is x30 away and you can make so much profit, a small $3000 investment to nano would yield over 100 thousand dollars if it goes back to all time high. Why do we not do it ? Because, nothing suggests it will go back there anytime soon. Same applies with this logic.

Don't be negative here. This year is the year that all of us need to be positive for out sake so we can earn more money. Nobody can lost and nobody can be negative for this moments I hope. So we can earn more money again. We need to rise the all coins because if that continue  they have chances even our favorite altcoins will die soon and everyone will be suffer I think because we lose for sure are investment here so be smart everyone.

If people want to be negative about the future of cryptocurrencies let them we will see who was right in a few years, what you need to do is to concentrate in what you believe will happen and take the necessary actions to make your visions about your future a reality, so if you think there is a chance bitcoin will skyrocket again then get bitcoin and hold it until that happens.

Theres nothing wrong about complaining because we are not investors . we dont like the dip because we cant earn a profit and we cant earn a bigger posible profit if the market stays this way   .

Anyway , majority of the population that join cryptos  are mainly consist of sellers  and they are already doing their own ways to crash the price   . so theres no need to worry guys  .

When Bitcoin goes up, OP will go all FOMO :P

As we can see the price is not what most of people expected. Even if there are bad news most of people will hold their coins even if the price goes down. I suggest to buy now when is still cheap most of  coins and hold for the next bull run or for the next 5,10x grow and get a nice profit.

it looks very cruel, but I would be happy the price will go down by itself until mid-year, so just waiting for the time to come, that's all and you don't need to do anything

We're way pass December now and I didn't see any significant drop until now so I think it safe to say that OP failed on his plans. Spreading FUD this way won't work as it is not enough to influence the market as well as even if you have a group that can off load 100 BTC it is not enough for it to influence the market maybe one exchange but not all of it. Panic selling starts when I whale off loads their holdings and of course the weak hands will follow the wave so groups like this on big market cap coins won't work. Maybe if you are working on a shitcoin you can short that trash.

Exactly, I guess the weak hands had left already and what's left in whales or speculators and really know how to play this game. Right now, it seems that we have touch the bottom already, as support around the $3500-$3600 is strong.

We even have news about a hack exchange, or even the Bitcoin ETF proposal by SolidX withdrawn and still the price didn't move negatively, the price is even on the green right now. I guess FUD isn't working as it used to be.

Wow, I had no idea the SolidX application was withdrawn. You're right, the price didn't react at all to the news. I'm not sure if that means the market had already given up all expectations of approval (probably) or if the lack of reaction to bad news means the bear market is done (probably not).

This is what VanEck had to say on Marketwatch earlier today:

Mate, be careful of what you say and tell because if we do that or if we will establish an organization or we will work together to change or manage the market with our own a decision to benefit us is most likely "manipulation". In bad cases, we would be able to be punished by the law if we do that since it can be considered as manipulation. But I can tell as well that we would not be able to that and we will just end up losing our capitals together.

There is no law we have to take against the price manipulators so its not a crime to do. :D

But doing that is not much easier too,you need some billions to make some changes in the price chart and you may get losses if you are not buying back at the right time.

I agree that we all have to sell and crash the prices of all altcoins.Why?Because they are useless.
But I'm not gonna do this just because you want to make some money out of pump&dump shit. ;D
Go find another "get rich quick" scheme.

Looking at the current state of the market this is the cheapest price you can invest in bitcoin, you can have a fantasy about getting the coins at really cheap rates but for that you need to built your own time machine :P . It all depends upon how much you are willing to invest to get these big profits and how you are planning to cash out. ;D

I can't say that all altcoins are useless

For example, personally, I find Litecoin quite useful, even if for only "pump&dump shit". Kidding aside, if Bitcoin is to become something, it will most certainly have to do with a store of value. But a good store of value can't be a good means of payment at the same time as these things are mutually exclusive to a great degree. So we need an altcoin which would work as a means of payment with Bitcoin being a store of value. And this is where Litecoin fits in perfectly, without any kidding

I believe this as well, many are still expecting the price to crash even further but most of the weak hands already sold their coins, most of those which remain in the market will not sell their coins no matter what happens, so it is difficult to push the price down when people not only will not sell their coins but could buy the coins of the few weak hands remaining.

Bitcoin is a unique phenomenon, and those who really understand what it is this, - they do only one thing - they continue to accumulate its reserves and increase the size of their deposits for whatever it costs them. All existing manipulations and speculations regarding Bitcoin are all created artificially in order to maximally rock the boat in which we all sit in order to get people to sell coins. Anyone who understands this - refers to all this very calmly.

without asking for bad news, FUD has often happened since 2018, but every FUD bitcoin volume remains stable, I guess. if you want to buy, you can buy it now and don't need to expect bad news anymore. it's been 1 year, the price of bitcoin and crypto is gloomy and it's recovering time.

OP is one of those people that would crash the price and then wouldn't buy due to fear of his own FUD.

@OP: Price is as cheap as you are going to see.... choo choo