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Thread posted early to gather feedback.
I'm open to any questions / criticism you have for us!
Thank you.

You say "All games are provably fair, with no house involved."

To where do players send their Bitcoins?

Hello.
No house involved meaning you are not betting against the house.
The two modes (Coinflip and jackpot) are against other players.
Coinflip being a game you create or join, with an equal match and 50/50 odds against the other player.

There's an account system on the site itself, With your deposit address etc.
All games have the Hash visible at the start of the round or flip, Showing independence of the results vs player, etc.

You can view more details here :
https://imgur.com/a/QNFlAFb
(For both coinflip and jackpot)

To who send players the bets? To the house?

It's all player vs player based.
Kevin creates a coinflip game for 500,000 Bits (0.5 BTC)
Luke joins him, The coinflip plays out, Winner is revealed (All Predetermined upon game creation with the Server Key, Client key, and roll (Being 0 or 1) Generated then)
Roll and Server key are kept hidden until winner is reveled to player, You can check the hash given at the start though to show it was not changed and the round result is correct etc.

For new games, its good not to go for the PvP way. First, gather some player to play against house and then go PvP.

As it's PvP only, It's of utter most importance I'm able to capture enough players in the first few days of launch to establish a constant player stream for both jackpot and coinflip.
I'd rather maintain 100% PVP, as that's the overall goal and premises of this site.
Our first week or two of launch there may be special promotional additions such as 0% commission during that time, etc.

I asked to who the players send their Bitcoins? And not how the game technically runs.

My apologies.
You're sending them to your unique deposit address generated to your account.
After 1 confirmation BTC is credited to your account in bits form, which is now playable in any of the game modes and or withdrawal-able.

Who is the wallet holder?

We're the holder. Cold storage will be on hardware wallet once needed, Hot wallet provided by us.

Just to add,
We launched a Discord server.
Will post development updates / 1 on 1 community support + feedback here.
https://discord.gg/k9wrZdR

I have to agree with this, it is indeed hard to manage a PvP based game because it is hard to get active players. We have seen many similar PvP games before but most of them were failed to survive. It is the main homework for owner of PvP based game site on how to attract players to stay on the site. If it is just a common coinflip with no other features, I'm worrying that it will be the same as the previous failed PvP sites. But I wish you the best luck to run the site.

Understandably so, It's my main priority other then development of the site itself to do so. Being PvP only, it's of my best interest to make sure there's a constant feed of players at any given time for games.
I've got big plans for the website though and I'm not capturing the coinflip sub niche of gambling sites only, many unique features and an overall amazing user experience is our goal.
Also will be heavily community oriented , with many social features such as a global chat .

You are the wallet holder and you taking a 0.25% house edge = "with no house involved"?

Is there also no operator involved?

There's a different between house edge, and commission.
In principle, they work the same, however,
it's inappropriate to call it a house edge, when the results of your games are not skewed to win "0.25%" less, or playing against the house.

Yes, I do agree on this. PvP games was never meant to attract people because it needs more player to create the hype, mean while gambler are more likely to have something faster and easier so as much as I can say, most players will avoid this for sure. May be for testing, this might work but I do not think people will stay for that long on PvP based games

Is there also no operator involved?

Operator as in house? Correct.
There's no investment ability as we don't have a bankroll.
The "bankroll" could be defined as the funds held in user deposit, however there's no limit to a winning amount, as long as someone would be willing to match X coinflip or play in a jackpot.

Also let me specify fees a little bit more.
We've got slightly varied fees to encourage higher stake games.

Games over 1BTC = 0.25% Commission / Fee
Games under 1BTC = 1% Commission / Fee
(Applies to both Jackpot and Coinflip, if the pot exceeds 1BTC or the Coinflip exceeds 1BTC per side)

As last discord "giveaway" shows site is scam.
Be aware.

What? We did the giveaway and followed through.
3/5 Users were paid, as 2 were bots (The server had about 40 clear bots added to it which I had to ban)

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f96e75b1a0cf217b3de1beaf1049d9d9533179aa5f6294aa751804727505680d

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/163dfa4b554dcd50ab3d54e9f8b9947aca03e94734a29e96b205bbac59b2d3ce

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/7437a6b59bb6a9215eabae94bb4411a99461dff22c558317e95f10b6e01e754b

Of course.
This is a "red flag" of Scam attempt (but it's not exactly).
I have zero tolerance (or maybe negative?) for your site before launching.

I think that 1 month away from discord giveaway without launching + negative responce + NOT fully paid giveaway (if paid) is negative trust.

Or, maybe, 3 people with member+ rank can confirm giveaway?

and bad news:
As you don't have a bankroll: maybe you haven't enought funds even for paying giveaway worth 5$ ?

So, I said all. I leave this thread.
I hope there will be no stupid people who will deposit in this site in future.

Don't you feel that it is too early to have a thread here even before having your website with full set up.
This kind of ignorance will definitely impact your future reputation as many people here are known for remembering the old events more accurately.

May I know the reason why you have not yet focusing in bringing up your site even after almost one month of time after starting this topic. Please state your hurdles, this community may help you up to the level we are able to do.

I don't think that this will work.

P2P mean you will need a huge player pool to meet every single player needs 24/7. Or you will need to run bot players for this. I don't like slow games or games I need to wait something to happen like another player.

Launching is a huge priority at the moment.
I've got two developers working on the site currently,
My main developer has had issues moving, switching computers, and general delays such as.
The second developer can't continue his work until the other is available and online.
Due to this, I've had delays in releasing the site as it's not completely finished.

I don't think it's too early for a thread as I do like to read the feedback and take things from it.
I understand a lot of people here don't think PVP can succeed, but I know from personal experience and just general asking around, a lot of people are interested in a BTC PVP site, but as many pointed out a big challenge will be to make sure there's a constant stream of players to maintain open games.

I don't have funds to give way $5?
I just showed the transactions of paying out the winners, I can show you the Discord chat logs if it's that much of a concern.

Stating I don't have a bankroll does not mean I myself don't have necessary funds.

Bankroll is in the context for the site, not my own personal money.

Bankroll would mean there's a limited max potential earning amount,
however that's not the case here.
If you want to win 50 BTC, you could deposit 50, make a coinflip, and wait for a player to join or vice versa. As long as you are able to be matched, you will be able to win more.
Same thing with jackpot, except it's different odds based proportionately on your bet size.

Will announce the signature campaign and bug bounty closer to launch!

That's a good plan to improve your gambling industry. Being into the gambling industry always requires continued promotion. Now planning for a signature campaign will surely increase the user community increase. As of now pvp is much trending among more youngsters. In this regard this will add more user to the gambling websites.

This is indeed a great thing to have or may be I must say that it is a must thing to have in order to promote some new site and OP already in a right path to walk. Anyway about this PvP based game, are you sure that it is really trending among players? Because as I can say that it is really opposite to what market says, pvp based games has less attractive, even for poker, they do not do much this lately

PVP is not getting bigger in youth because of some trend. PVP is the only way we can make sure house is not rigged (well not rigged but there is always house edge) and when you play against others no matter who wins house always makes money from the rake which means they have no reason to temper with the results and that makes it incredibly fair game by logic.

For example, in poker why would any house care who wins the pot as long as the house gets its rake ? Similar method, that is why PVP is getting more and more famous and young people are always the first ones to get into any technology. Look at any new website like facebook, instagram, whatsapp and so forth, first young people get into it, than real kids (10-15 years old) gets into it and than old people get into it (take a look at facebook). That's the whole reason.

I agree with you here. PVP essentially is one of the most "fair" gambling methods in that sense, as long as the operator shows predetermined hashes for every round in which can be verified, etc.
PVP Gambling games were extremely popular with CSGO , and since that's died I've yet to see it transpired correctly across Bitcoin platforms, which is what I'm aiming to achieve.

Will be hosting a pretty big bits giveaway upon launch for all new people who sign up!
Thread will be updated for Launch :)

Unfortunately launch has been delayed due to issues with development further.
Will keep all posted as we approach launch, however I'm sorry to announce it's unknown at the moment.

PVP games are fair that is why gamblers shows interest playing such games. But, if there is not enough players then, it will get boring and people would lose interest over time. I have seen many pvp gambling platforms fail due to less player support. Moreover, the launch of this website getting really long. You should have created this thread after launching the website. This clearly shows that you cant deliver what is offered on time.

Is there a certainty that it will come back ? The last message seems a bit pessimistic and confused me a bit and I am sure it confused a lot of others as well. It sounded like maybe it could be gone for good, the way it is worded like its unknown for now. Is it unknown for the ETA to comeback or is it unknown for a comeback at all ?

This website was one of the leading casinos for pvp play and I was hoping you guys would add more pvp games into the roster making it a pvp gambling haven for all of us so it would be sad to see it going. Would love to get a clear answer about if its gone for now and need to wait until it relaunches or should we give up hope on a return forever ?

I hope you guys figure out the coding issue and comeback quickly because you are sorely missed and I wanted to let you know that.

We're definitely still actively pursuing this and the main goal is to launch a well tested and polished product.
At the moment there's been a few delays as it's not up to par with what we're ready to release.

The launch has been delayed longer then we'd all like, however I can assure you the final delivered product will be worth it :)

Better do the necessary things before launching again. Are you going to test your platform internally? Or are you open for test bugs from the community?

We're doing both. At the moment internal tests are being done, among a smaller QA testing group for such.
Bug bounty will be public and ongoing for as long as we are up.

It is great to hear you guys coming back, I hope you will have a long and lasting business with this that will eventually enable us to play pvp games all the time, not just one or two but eventually reach to hundreds of games we can play against each other.

Do not really worry about the time because ETA is as important as your marketing budget, you can be gone for years and as soon as you return back and give people some money to play (as in faucet) or signature campaigns or marketing in a different way and spend money to be on public's eye again, all of those people who left will comeback and some more.

Hence, ETA could be years and you will still be fine, do not try to rush these things since rushing and making a half product is worse than slow but steady development. Slow could be fixed with marketing but half product can't. Which we can clearly see you already know since you are taking your time and doing best you can.

Kind of agree with you, but after all they really need to have someone to test the site as well, besides their QA there are still tons of idea that would be coming out just from players so it would be good if it is ready to release again then OP should put their ears on what players suggesting to make the site better. Hope that it will be back soon and make a great comeback after take times

That's the goal. At launch we'll have 3 game-modes :
- Jackpot
- Coinflip
- Rock Paper Scissors

I'm currently testing the waters for other PVP game modes, however these seem to be what most are familiar with, and relatively non linguistic .
Will keep everyone updated when we're ready for official launch.
Suggestions are always welcome and appreciated!

Oh! Oh!!, if we are suggesting the games than I would like to suggest couple of games. First of all there used to be this tv show where people basically lined up their "soldiers" and select 5 of them and one by one both of their soldiers.

Now the idea is that you select 5 basically rock paper scissors type of "soldiers" one beats the other and so forth and there is a chance of draw as well, you pick 5 of them and the other person picks 5 of them and whoever reaches to 3 wins. I don't know the name but that would be suuuuper fun.

Another one would be chess and backgammon, those are really cool games as well and could be pvp, chess is widely loved by millions of people around the world and I have never seen a crypto betting on chess. I can't really think of anything else right now but will sure to comeback and write if I can figure out more games.

Hi! What news? Good luck to all.

No news! OP is last active since March 12,2019 and the site shows this one.

http://i64.tinypic.com/33bmvwh.png

I have seen a similar PVP site that had you gamble with rock paper scissors I liked that idea but people did not want to play it.
The fact that you need to do extra steps to do the gambling does not help.
Also a coin flip is not a very engaging PVP aspect I hope you will add more games in the future that are pvp but also have a little more engagement with the user.

the site I remember was called action-gamble it is gone now RIP

The launching of his site has been taking so long.
Introduced last year and up until now, you can't get a glimpse of it.
I hope the team has added some new games aside from those 2 mentioned.

Forum account is inactive just like what i said.Tried to go into their discord group and its really silent. Among 202 members there are only 22 online and their last announcement was made
Last January 4,2014.
You can look up here that they are adding some previews and new games like  PVP Rock Paper Scissors. https://discordapp.com/channels/521578662873661440/523608047751528492

Hey, we're actively working on the site still and launching very soon.
Completely redone back-end and front end which is why the delay took so long.
We want to make sure the site is up to the community standards, as well as our own internally.
Thanks!