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Hi,

I've built a simple card game called Three card monte aka find the lady where you try to pick the black card among 3 cards. If you win you double your satoshis. The game is playable only with lightning and only for 1000 satoshis per bet.

It's provably fair, details can be found on the site under "Fair" menu. You can immediately withdraw your winnings to your lightning wallet if you want.

https://kriptode.com/tcm/play.html

feedback & questions welcome.

New game!

Duck Hunt with Lightning.
https://kriptode.com/lnhunt/index.html

It's simple a clone of DuckHuntJS where you pay to play the game and then win your satoshis back (possibly more). Withdraw anytime.

Feel free to contact me if any issues/comments.

Website will be updated regularly with more games.
https://kriptode.com

Hello OP. I opened the link of the new game and it is the first time that i visit your website as well. When I click the link it directs me to a window that I have to pay without even seeing what this game is about. When i close this window all I see is a black screen. I would advise you to insert a video of pictures of the game that will let us know what it will look like and what experience is going to give us.

Personally, I won't pay up in front for something that will not be of my preference eventually without getting the idea of what it will follow.

that's fair, thanks for taking the time to tell me.

I added a screenshot in the background so people can tell. And I assumed everyone knows what a duck hunt arcade game is but I shouldn't have  ???

I knew that game because I already play that game in the past although there is no money involved in the game. Yes, I see the screenshot in the background, and I think people will see something new inside the game and I think they can be curious because the game now uses bitcoin for playing. I see that there are 4 more games on your website because I click one by one of the games, but I don't try to play.

as much I like the new games , especially provably fair and simple to appear
a game with a what, 16% + house edge, is just not going to make it nowadays
gamblers are spoiled with 1% provably fair games and trusted, eastablished casinos
your site is new and you would need some promos to get people to play  and even then I highly doubt it would be popular at all
 

Besides three cards monte i have recently see it was found other games such as duck hunt or scratch & win and usually before deposit and play at particular sites i was testing them by faucet or demo game but unfortunately i didn't see these features on your casinos and seems i have to deposit first at least 1000 satoshi before play

It would be a lot better If you let people to deposit their satoshis first and play with smaller amounts later. That's how most casinos operate nowadays. Asking for satoshis straight away to play the game is not a good idea.

It is same logic behind scratch game,shell game and three card monte. It will be better to add balance feature to gambling site instead of asking money for every  bet and later sending back winnings instantly to same address. I am looking for games without house edge which covered with fixed commission after every game session and if possible, please add no zero roulette to site.

Right on point. Asking even a small amount from potential players is not really a good idea to start with. A lot of starting casinos either have free plays or faucets to try their services.

Website is looking not bad, but I think, that you should reduce minimum bet, maybe for 500 satoshi at least.

all excellent advice from everyone. you are right, this is just a simple website to test out Lightning network and I'm not trying to compete with big casinos. But my games are provably fair and the house edge is small at %5.

I do need to implement a free test play + play from balance + configurable bets.

Are you sure that the HE is 5% only and winning chance is 45% like stated on your FAQ?
How is it possible to have 45% winning chance on 1 winning card out of 3? I'm not good in math but based on my logic it should have lower winning chance than 45%.

This is weird actually and first time to encounter this, like I'll just click the card and you will be ask to deposit 1k satoshis, otherwise you didn't even know if you win or what. OP should reconsider the free game or faucet or no one will be interested in.

I know this just a small time game but who knows, right? If he just upgrade to a whole new level, not to mention the site needs an upgrade.

I think 500 satoshi or lower could help in exposing your website to the gambling industry as your sole aim is not to compete with the larger gambling casinos. Also, your house edge is pretty much high compare to others with lower edge around the forum.

I checked the site.
Would you like to provide some more information regarding the site like how much is your bankroll etc ?
Though i see many neutral feedbacks of your site here but still want some users to confirm that your site pays.
Moreover the house edge is pretty high comparing to other casinos

Well it is really good to say our part and put something that we think is part that can make the site great, But I think OP is just trying to fix things in his part and would want the opinion of certain members here in the forum, And actually I selected your post because I think it is a good thing to put faucets so players can try out their services or putting a free trial or a mode that let players play a simulation play that will allow them to test your sites or games I think some players if they enjoy your game they will have a stimulation to try it out and bet for it, Well that is just my opinion with the matter and I really think that most of your games are catchy and very easy to understand that is why there is no need for tutorials to play it, But certain people would surely want freebies in playing at your site.

I'm also wondering more details and information about the site, It seems good site and well designed and also its use lightning payment which it's so cool, because most of gamblers want to deposit and withdraw so fast and they don't want to wait for the confirmations.
Anyway, I will wait for new updates, else everything is pretty good.

Wait, its 1 out of 3 cards that's the black card isnt it? But you only double your money when you find it? Seems kinda unfair isnt it? If it was 2 cards and lets say you make 1900 satoshis when I bet 1000. Thats fair. As theres a House Edge. I mean, why would I chose your game over Dice where theres a smaller house edge and its basically the slightly complex version of the same thing. Your game is basically me trying to win 2x but betting on just 33 out of 100 numbers instead of 49.5. Tell me if there's something I'm missing here.

Agreed, payment expectancy in a very short time period isn't the mistake of common people. It is that simple, and lightening network will provide the fastest payout on winnings. Till date every gambling sites provides with faster settlement on winnings into the inbuilt wallet.

First some good news, with some support from our good friends at Bitlum.io;

We have a new deal where everyone who downloads & activates the Lightning Web Wallet through this link http://bit.ly/2VaDQMC (http://bit.ly/2VaDQMC) gets $0.10 in Bitcoins (which is around 2500 satoshis currently). So this will give more than 2 free plays at TCM. And you can even use it on other games/services at https://kriptode.com (https://kriptode.com)

Regarding the %45 odds on a game where you pick 1 of 3 cards:
- The winning/losing is decided based on served seed prior to picking the card with provably fair calculations. The game result is revealed as black card if you won and red card if you lost.

I can share that for all the games and services on kriptode.com, we paid over 1.5 million satoshis until now :) It's an honest and very small operation. We read all the feedback and try to be always responsive via email, twitter and here.

I understand that, its a small operation and you don't want to compete with other casinos. It is good to see that this website provides provably fair games, which is my top priority when trying a new casino. You don't need to add a faucet to the casino but, the option to add bitcoin to the wallet and play from it is pretty much needed. Hope you would understand the difficulty in sending small amounts every time we bet.

That's nice, hearing partnership and giving promotional way to enjoy the game would be something that can attract new players to try it on
and see test your games, good adjustment from your part is needed in order to cater players opinions where the business will start being more
stronger if you able to satisfied your players.

Best of luck and to you business and more updates to come buds.

I will give it a try, I was planning to start using a lightning wallet ( I didn't use it before) and this look like a good opportunity.
I see more and more people switching to the lightning network.
Is it possible to make a deposit before starting the game, I mean can I deposit more than 1000 Satoshis to my account and use it from there?

Not yet but this will be in the next update. You'll be able to deposit first and then play from balance.

You are right. Thanks for the feedback and kind words. I'll be improving these things over time starting with deposit + fast play from balance. You can check the blackjack game (not provably fair but also not rigged) which is 1000 satoshi deposit and then 100 sats per play which is really fast.
https://kriptode.com/blackjack/index.html (https://kriptode.com/blackjack/index.html)

If you can make it work, your casino will be the first among the lightning enabled casinos.

There are hundreds of casino which do what the others do but leading us to use a new tech is completely different.

A few years later, people will remember you as the person who took the risk of implementing a new technology instead of copy/pasting an old one.

Good luck.

From what I understand the game works as 50% chance to win with a proper house edge (I think 5% is still a lot) and not 1 in 3 chance. You do see three cards on the screen but you do not have 1 in 3 card chance, the game mechanics work as in you get %50 chance of winning (so you have 1.5 cards in 3 cards chance to make it clear) and whatever you choose is a flip toss so if what you select comes than you win and the graphics of the game is just for show, not for real results.

It is at least clears up the bad odds (which I still think is a high house edge but not as bad as we assumed) but it still requires a lot more explaining, many people believed there was a 1 in 3 chance to win on a 50% profit without you explaining it, so you have to make it clearer for everyone that plays.

I just don't get it as if i deposits 1000Sat, i would have to pay more tx fee so even if i win, it will not be a 2x Win.




I think its fixed now. I see the big Green interface with a card in the middle.

When players use Bitlum online Bitcoin Lightning Network wallet - they are included in advanced crypto technologies and also receive a free bonus, the player can play this bonus in only 4 games now. I hope the number of games on the site will increase soon  :)

But from the start, every game like this will never have 1/3 chance right because the odds as well and because of this make really huge house edge as well. But somehow people do like the challenge as well to think they double their coin easily on this kind of site. And btw about the Lightning, is it been stable already? Cause I heard there is still unbalance yet

I have no idea what you mean by "every game like this will never have 1/3 chance right because the odds as well", I am not a native English speaker but I think that sentence is a bit off or my English is not good enough to understand what you mean.

All I meant is the game "looks" 1/3 chance but in reality the graphics are just fake, its really 50% chance of winning (well 47.5% if I am not calculating wrong) so what you see is just extra animation for revealing what you won or lost. Otherwise it could have been a simple "won/lost" and that would have been enough. That three card addition to the game is just making people mistake if its 50% chance or 33% chance and seriously useless.

Just to make the game look good they made it more complicated. They should have done it with some other graphics or made it 33% chance with better odds.

I heard this from other people as well so maybe I'll just lower the odds to around %32 and make it so that you triple your bet. It might be easier, instead of just explaining all the time :)

Lightning is quite stable, I've been experimenting since last year and these days I almost never have a failed payment. And from thousands of my daily payments, maybe 1-2 fail. And there are nice wallets, bitcoin on-chain to lightning exchanges. And it's improving very fast as well.

I just pushed a new update with the deposit option. So you can deposit some satoshis to your onsite balance over lightning and use it to repeatedly play. Let me know any issues and keep in mind website is still in beta so do not keep large amounts!

Here's a gif that shows how it works.
https://twitter.com/citlayik/status/1100358651380973568

It is stable of course from the first time I heard of that they are improving it really fast because like you said it is left on 2 fail but the problem is how about if on that 1-2 fail payment and it is a big money and it is gone without a trace? How are you going to fix that thing? You cant say that there is because the lightning blockchain is not stable yet right? This must be secure from simple things like that, many of them will not take this as a consideration right now

In this Mainnet lightning network stores https://lightningnetworkstores.com/ (https://lightningnetworkstores.com/) also are listed several games: Lightning Roulette, Lightning Casino, Lightning Slot Machine, Lightning Spin, MicroBet, etc. Gambling is and probably will always be one of the best use cases of bitcoin  :)

Some misunderstandings there.

1- Lightning Network is not a blockchain, it's a 2nd layer, payment channel network on top of Bitcoin's blockchain. Basically you lock up some bitcoins in a payment channel with another Lightning Node and bitcoins can go back & forth between you and partner node.

2- Payment failing in Lightning does not mean funds will be lost. If payment fails to route over the payment channels, then you will still have the bitcoins in your node. Your node will automatically try again and again until it finds a path to the target node.

3- Only potential cause for losing funds could be corrupt DB, disk failure that can not be recovered but you can manage those with backing up your Lightning folder. Or if you use mobile wallet, they already provide backups to Google Drive etc.

More info can be found: http://ion.radar.tech (http://ion.radar.tech)

Also there is no harm in adding a faucet to the casino.
This will give people chance to first test the site before actually depositing the money.

I agree , many people are afraid to make a Deposit , they want to first look at the honesty of the project and then invest them or not

Yes, we need to have some proof that this is a legit site and also, try adding a faucet. But, is using bitcoin from a normal bitcoin address sending funds to a lightning network address of bitcoin could be possible?

why are you going to pay more for your tx fee? use lightning wallet to send money to this site. maybe you are still thinking of the regular bitcoin tx fee. this is the advantage of using the lightning network, you can send and receive as low as 1 sat



faucet would be a nice feature for those who want to try the game first
sending from a normal btc addy is not possible. use lightning wallet so your tx will go thru

They use lightning network so that you won't pay be paying regular price of the transaction fee as low as possible. Having faucet would also be a good idea to have even though we can only earn bits of bitcoin but it is helpful enough for small amount expenses that you may use to pay or play.

Yeah I agree to this you should have a faucet for us who wants to try it before getting into it.
I also think that you really should consider the deposit so we could choose how much we would bet and of course to lessen the transaction fee.
Just imagine how much transaction fee we would pay for every bet and the time we would put to open a new tab for our wallet every time we would play.

I believe faucet on LN will never work because it will be abused more than we are using it right now. Why? Because with LN money can be transfer using a very little amount of fee and if you compare it with a normal blockchain of course it is not profitable and that is why most of them does not use it. If you use it then it will be more and more abuser to come and withdraw it easily because a super low fee. So I do not suggest to put some faucet on any LN games based

For those of you asking for a faucet I have good news :)

I launched another service on my website https://kriptode.com (https://kriptode.com) that pays out satoshis based on social media tasks, it's called Sats for Likes: https://kriptode.com/satsforlikes/index.html (https://kriptode.com/satsforlikes/index.html)

The idea is you go to the site and check for active tasks, for example a ❤️ means you can like the tweet in the link with your twitter account and click "check" on the website and you will automatically have up to 2000 satoshis in your site balance.

You can withdraw immediately by clicking on "balance". And remember all deposits/transfers on my site are only through Lightning Network so no TX fees! Only 1-2 satoshi routing fees but most of the time even those are 0.

Wallets that support Lightning Network: bluewallet.io (http://bluewallet.io), wallet of satoshi, lightning-wallet.com (http://lightning-wallet.com), https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fr.acinq.eclair.wallet.mainnet2 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fr.acinq.eclair.wallet.mainnet2)

Or if you don't want to withdraw you can immediately switch to one of my other games on the site and play from balance.

Good thing that you are still making some updates on your site and this would remove those doubts above from some other members of this forum when it comes to legitimacy.

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I'll try to play LN hunt later on which do really reminds me when i was a child playing duck hunt in my own family computer. ;D

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About that Sats for Likes, which is way more better to earn more sats that fauceting.Good thing for those who do like to earn some pennies.