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 I would know if it is possible to send BTC without a transaction fee regardless of theoretically or practicall..

as far I know, that;s impossible.

as far as I know it won't happen, we need miners to move assets from one address to another, or what we call transactions. and the simple logic, miners (as couriers) will not provide their services for free, because they also need money to carry out their services. so the concept is the same as human life in general, we cannot survive / run a transaction without other people, in this case a fee

There used to be hosted wallets like Xapo that paid the fee for you. Most wallets that give you control over your keys won't have a zero fee option. If you had a wallet with full fee control such as the Bitcoin Core wallet I'll guess miners would ignore the transaction out of principle if nothing else.

It's not impossible, just unlikely. It seems the higher the priority of a tx the higher the chance of a zero fee tx being taken by a miner.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=982822.msg10742793#msg10742793

http://bitcoinfees.com

It won't happen, it's the same as you asking "is it possible for BTC without Miner?". But personally, you can get a free transaction fee (maybe the fee will be charged to someone else).
https://www.luno.com/help/en/articles/11000049799-how-do-i-send-bitcoin-for-free

I don't know whether this method is still valid and is it really safe. If you are curious, you should experiment with your friend who has a Luno account.
But regardless of free transaction fees, this is not really free, you will be charged non-crypto fees such as internet fees or sms fees.

No, It's impossible that bitcoin sending transaction is free you need to pay fee so that miners will do your transaction and to secured and fast your transaction.

no, the cost for sending BTC is because the fee is usually for network fees, regardless of where you use the wallet, since I knew BTC, I have never found a wallet that can provide transactions without fees

Show some courtesy on them too ;D let the exchanges get few for their work.

as far as I know, bitcoin shipping can't be free, of course there are costs for the transaction. so if shipping is free, there are certainly many who make transactions, and it's free, I don't think it's possible.

It used to be possible to send btc with 0 fees. (2012 2015 and before)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CigiFZmWgAAEqbq.png
https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/731872416629202945

I am not sure about this but the reason why we can't do that anymore is probably miners don't accept these transactions. You can still set your fee to sub satoshi levels and it'll get a confirmation though. Surprisingly they still accept those.

It will require more time to send if you prefer lower fess than the normal. I try it a year ago and I regret it because I end up using website that hasten the process of verification but will cost higher fees than the standard. In the end, I pay more because I want to save more by cutting back the miner's fee.

If we're talking on chain transactions it's possible on bitcoinfees (https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/) it shows there's a few that got confirmed. I haven't done a transaction without any fee before but I think child pays for parent could work.
 
Not reccommended this is just an alternative way to send BTC. Give the private keys to the receiver and let them claim the coins.

The best way to transact without fees atm is to do it off chain.

Yes it's possible before around 2016 and below. I've experienced that and its was the reason why I like bitcoin but now that it has grown and though there's a fee, it's not really that much and a cent won't hurt us.

Now if you'll try to send bitcoin without a fee, its likely that your transaction will be stuck.

This, really, will be an interesting thing to do. But how does one get a transaction done off chain. Do you mind sharing this perspective?

On a company like Coinbase's own internal ledger between their customers. Someone here suggested sending someone else a private key to restore in their own wallet so ownership changes without moving the coin. That is of course possible but not advisable.

that is immposible i think, its because the transaction fee need the miner fees, as far i know about cryptocurrency, blockchain and bitcoin transaction, the fee is never be 0, so i think it immposible

In the early stages of bitcoins back in 2009 it was possible to send bitcoins without any transaction charges but now it is not possible to send bitcoins without any transactions charges but the transaction charges is low than any other fiat transactions all over the world, don't expect anything for free. The transactions  charges keeps on increasing  after 2-3 years as there is halving which makes it difficult for the miners to mine bitcoins and they need to generate more electric sources for mining bitcoins.

Just like some other members mentioned, it is not impossible per se, but miners will probably never get to this transaction, since the more you pay, the faster the transaction is confirmed. If you set zero transaction fee, I think there's still a chance that your transaction will be confirmed when the network is not very busy. Moreover, there are ways to sort of notify miners that your transaction is stuck. I am not sure about their effectiveness, but it's worth trying. If you set a fee that is significantly smaller than recommended, it can take months before the transaction gets confirmed. A friend of mine had this problem, but a couple of months later bitcoins were sent.

Till there is another party sharing the private key then it is risky and as you said not advisable...

I can confirm that. I remember i tested it twice and it went successful, in 2015 +/- 2016. The first time the delay wasn't that much. The second time I had to wait 24 hours tho. After 2016, I remember i tested it without success. The miners tend to neglect those transactions with 0 profit for them.
Imagine everyone sending bitcoin without fees, this will kill POW concept especially when BTC number per block and price drop.

Yes it's certainly possible - just set up a large mining farm, include all your "no fee" transactions in the block you are trying to solve, and when you solve it they will all be confirmed. But don't count on any "for profit" miners confirming your transactions - chances are overwhelming it will sit out there unprocessed until it expires.

The blockchain is not built to run in that way lol.
The fee will always be there because your transaction needs to be recorded on the decentralized ledger always.

If you look closely, blocks aren't always full. If you time your transactions correctly, have a decent bit of coinage to go with them, your transaction has a higher chance to be included in the next block if it isn't considered dust. On the other hand, each miner is different and thus each miner decides for itself how much its block space is worth, so even if all the conditions are great, miners can still ignore your zero fee transaction even if there is plenty enough block space available.

It's all about incentive in the end. The more often miners confirm zero fee transactions, the more incentive there is for people to send them. The less often miners confirm zero fee transactions, the less incentive there is for people to send them. That's why the number of confirmed zero fee transactions has been tanking hard.

No never it is totally impossible to send btc withount any fee. Because blockchain technology need some small amounts of fees for transaction on bitcoin. But you can send bitcoin without fee to personal email address if sender and receiver are both use same wallet. This is the only ine way to send bitcoin without fee. But must use same wallet for sending without fee. Otherwise it is imposdible to send without fees.

Thank you.

I think there is no chance for that because for each and every bitcoin transaction we have to pay transaction fees. Every traders need some profits so definitely they collect some fees for the transaction. But the transaction fees differ from one exchange to another. In some exchanges the transaction fees is very low but in some exchanges it's very high. We have to select the right exchange.

I guess it is not quite possible. But it has a chance. You may send your BTC with only 1 satoshi. Transaction will be done but it probably take a long time.

But it is really cheapest money transffer. For example you can try send 1 million from your bank to another bank. But there will be a high transaction fee. How much Bitcoin you want to send, fee is always same. Why are you wondering this fee thing?

I don't think miners want to do it for free. Payable amount is not much and I have never heard that any transaction fees are approved without payment.
You should negotiate with traders in your local. You can decide what conditions will be by mutual agreement.

Is is not possible for sending BTC without any transaction fee. Because blockchain need some minimum  transaction fee.

I thought the free transactions was only applicable for transactions that was done between Xapo account holders and not applicable to any on-chain transactions.  ::)  The reason why these transactions was free, was because it was off-chain and done on Xapo's internal ledger system.

Interesting, I never knew Xapo paid for the miners fees too.  ??? I guess they covered those fees with the other fees they charge for the debit card and subscription fees?

It could be possible one day in the unlikely event that someone is able to invent perpetual energy so we can have thousands of fee free miners using free electricity. Otherwise no

It is impossible to send Btc without any transaction fee for now i believed ,but as we go along , I guess time would come that we could send any crypto without transaction fee. Let me tell you this, if you sent 1btc or 0.001btc with the same amount of 0.1usd trans fee, with that very small amount of TF aren't you happy with that? 0.1usd TF are almost FREE.

How can you aspect that the blockchain technology will allow you to use their services without any service charge?
Miner have a "fee" for which they mine. Without incentive even you'll not invest in Bitcoin. Yes, if you are holding Bitcoin in "Coinbase" , than you can transfer them in another "Coinbase" account using email transfer that is totally free of cost.
Transaction fee vary exchange to exchange. I can recommend you some exchanges that will allow you to transfer you bitcoins with a small charge.
No.1. Bittrex
2. Idex
3. Hotbit

there are also other wallets that offers zero fees as long as you have the same wallet and i heard that there is a crypto that has a zero fee ?  not really sure if its real because i havent tried it  , what im talking about is xrb . by the way , the exchange that you mentioned above are verry popular and for sure they dont have a cheap fee compared to other exchange that isnt really famous  .  about the fees , i agree that it isnt possible to send btc without fee to random addresses or wallets because your transaction wont be processed  .

we already experienced a longer processing time whenever we send a btc with low to median fee ,  how much more if we send a btc with zero fees ?

Never heard if we can send btc without paying transaction fees but i also would like to find the way if we can?

Found this by simple google search>in order to do so you need to to full fill these three requirements:
*The transaction only sends coins to one address, plus the return of change. (No more than two 'out' scripts.)
*The transaction doesn't need to gather a large number of small transaction outputs. (You are spending funds you received in a sensible way, not as a large number of micro-transactions.)
*The funds are stable. That is, you aren't spending funds you recently received.

I don’t use the word “never” very often (unless we’re discussing my loyalty to my favorite sports teams) but I don’t think BTC will be able to survive in its ecosystem without transaction fees.
Without miners, there is no BTC.  Miners will always want to be paid for their work. 
Nice sentiment but very unlikely. 

it is possible in testnet3

Not only a fee as much as I know. In some countries, you have to pay extra commission in order to make your money to be accepted to legal system. To make fee rates less and not to pay extra commission in some countries would be greate and these improvements let massive use of cryptocurrencies.

When you make transactions in bitcoins, you pay a fee to the people who mine it, if there is no fee and the transaction can not be confirmed. So as far as I know it is impossible to send bitcoins without commission.

I've seen a lot of wrong answers, and a lot of right (but incomplete) answers. So i'll try to give a complete answer this time :)

1) It IS possible to create a transaction with 0 fee... But the developers of a lot of modern wallets edited the functions of their programs so 0 fee transactions can not be created... If you want to create a 0 fee transaction, you can do it using the createrawtransaction command of bitcoin core (either from the cli or from the debug window), you can also use the electrum console... There might be other wallets that still allow 0 fee transactions to be generated, but bitcoin core and electrum are the wallets i've actually used for creating 0 fee transactions. Do be carefull here: there is a difference between CREATING a 0 fee transaction (which is easy) and getting the 0 fee transaction BROADCASTED to the network (which is hard).

2) the first main problem AFTER you created a 0 fee transaction is getting it relayed... A transaction will ONLY have a chance of ending up in a block IF it ends up in the mempool of the node of a miner first. A lot of nodes have a minimum relay fee, but if i'm not mistaking, a node owner CAN still modify the minimum relay fee and set a custom parameter so there is no minimum relay fee... The problem is that most nodes do have a minimum relay fee, so won't relay your transaction, so the odds of a 0 fee transaction ending up in the mempool of a mining node is small

3) the second main problem is that a miner has no incentive to add a 0 fee transaction. Historically high priority 0 fee transactions were added to blocks by the miners, but i don't think nowadays miners still honour high priority transactions

You could send transaction with 1 Satoshi as fees (ie. Literally nothing) but as you know miners get incentivized by block reward+transaction fees, it won't be picked by miners at all.

jes that is possible, if you use "bitcoin certificates" on a bitcoin holding bank, and transact bitcoin to another user of a "bitcoin holding bank"

the banks never transact the bitcoins, they simply change, the amounts of bitcoins in personal ownership.

"Bitcoin holding bank"? I guess an online wallet, or exchange?

These are offchain, OP is asking about onchain tx's.

Surely it's possible but I guess it's useless since no miner is going to broadcast you transaction to the network. Anyway, nowadays the fees can be as low as 1 satoshi per byte and that's more than enough for you transaction to be confirmed. So you don't have to pay more than 200-300 satoshi around 0.01$, you won't even notice it.
In past there were a few wallets were you could make as many transactions as you want because they would pay all your fees. But since fee increased in last years and more people were accessing those wallets, many of them stopped paying fees for their users. There could still be wallets that offer this service but they are either new wallets or scams.

Exactly!

My post was not talking about web wallets that do not give you access to your keys and just use a central hot wallet while credting user's account balances in a (relational) database.
Such an online wallet is just 1 single wallet to the outside world, no matter how many accounts exist on their service.

I don't care if an online wallet does not charge a fee to update 2 records in their private database... This is completely beside the point... As a matter of fact, i'd recommand everybody to stop using online wallets

You can technically do it, but its unlikely it will ever get relayed, as most nodes will drop them.
I think Bitcoin Core v18 will finally allow in the ui to specify 0.1 sat/B, we will see.
Curiously right now TX fees went up a bit, I wonder why?

Checking think when I have to sent Bitcoin transaction coinbase to another coinbase account.then totally fee without we can transactions bitcoin.it is the good proof I have,but related to the coinbase mail. Actually now absolutely need to fee with transaction for the coinbase and anyone wallet. but exchanger to exchange need claim fee to our transaction process.but I know exchanger do it allow as the lower fee.

Miners need their share, that is why paying fees is necessary. I know many users don't like fees but on the other hand everyone in the chain should get their share and I think this is fair. But today fees are really not high and you have the option to control them so there is no reason to complain, at my opinion. And nothing is completely free, so isn't the using Bitcoin either.

This is possible on the lightning network.
Yes you will be sending BTC, and you can do this on the lightning network.

It will require a fee to get your BTC in and out of the Lightning network, but once you open a payment channel, you can perform many transactions with no of very very little fee.

This is possible but if we are living in 2016 when websites like xapo, coinbase supports fees for transactions. But now we live in 2019, and this is no longer happening, and there is no longer this developer supporting this. I believe you will not be able to find it and do not worry because the current fee for transactions is not too high ~ $ 2 per transaction.

If Greg Maxwell says it's possible, that's good enough for me. However it is a three year or more year old comment so perhaps many things have changed.

Coinbase Pro/Gdax also paid outgoing fees though I presume that will have stopped a long time back too. I wonder how much in total Xapo and Coinbase swallowed in network fees for their punters overall. Other than guarding the funds of their rich friends I'm not really sure what Xapo does any more.

Without fee, your transaction will be never get confirm.
It's similiar when you're using WU to send money globally without the fee, the process can't be done !

It's life so they must get paid to get it done !

Yes you are correct without pay any fees will not be confirmed as a transaction you can definitely pay something for that to transact your Bitcoin to other it is also one of the good way to convey yourself as what we are doing.

No, it is not possible to send Bitcoin without a transaction fees. No miner will do that for you.

If you are a coinbase user, you could send Bitcoin to another coinbase user for free using the email as address.

no you cant :/

I'll just quote my previous post here :
It seems like a lot of people here still doesn't know what off-chain transactions are but it usually works between two wallets of the same kind usually 3rd party wallets like Coinbase and Xapo have off-chain transactions. The transfer is also done in-app or their website just like any normal transfer just make sure the address you are sending at is an address from the same wallet you have. Also if you have some local wallet providers existing in your country then for sure they are offering off-chain transactions as well.

It's impossible to sending btc without a transaction fee. Bitcoin Miner can reduce your transaction fee or if you want to delay your transaction  but its impossible to any miner success your transaction without fee

Well I don't think it's possible to complete a bitcoin transcation with out transactions fee.
Like the name implies transcation fee that it's part of the whole system

Bitcoin technology itself does not allow us to remove transaction fees as miners will not be able to earn

Of course, it is possible. Bitcoin will be $1m when your tx done! :)

Even in the smallest amount of sending bitcoin, you will need some fees to pay your transactions.
This is actually benefiting for us, because the fees will stay same without regarding your transaction amount, even the big amount still need only small fee.

Zero fee is impossible, except you close with your recipient and give him your  private key that contain amount of bitcoin that you want to send. Maybe no fee because he only need to open that private key in a wallet.

it's true that the problem in some markets will always be to charge a fee if you do a bitcoin transaction, and even then it has become a market requirement

It's technically possible, so why don't we try it?

I can try and send 0.00001 to somebody here with no fee and let's see how long it will take, of course if the transaction happens I'd expect it sent back to me with no fee attached.

Most likely scenario is that the transaction will never go through and the funds will remain in my wallet.

Any takers?

that's not possible mate. Almost all blockchain networks take a transaction fee for transactions that are broadcast unto the network and later confirmed on the blockchain by the miners.

you need to do 2 things for a 0 fee transaction to work:
1. convince the bitcoin nodes on this decentralized network to change their rules so that they accept 0 fee transactions which is not going to happen since nearly all of them run bitcoin core and the default setting doesn't allow that.
2. convince the miners to include 0 fee transactions in blocks that they find which I don't think they would mind since most of the times blocks have extra free space and they don't have to do anything but they too are running nodes with settings that rejects 0 fee transactions.

well, as far as I know, the smaller the fee you pay for 1 transaction, the longer you will wait for the transaction. well, it's not impossible, but it will be very long. it's better to pay a small fee than a long wait.

Literally it is possible but you need to wait forever for your transaction to be done,I don't know why people were much cared about the transaction fee of bitcoin since the transaction can be done 1sat/byte with the current situation and it will cost you about $0.05 only per transaction.

It use to be possible though before but I don't think it's anymore. Lately miner wants to make more of their gain because of what they are inputting in like electricity and machines maintenance. There are two ways;  you follow the stipulated transactions fee or reduce it to your own preferred Satoshi. If the Satoshi is way too small, you will have to wait for a very long time for the coin to reach it destination.

For everybody saying it can't be done:


You can use any online transaction decoder, like (for example) https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/decodetx/ and verify that
1) the transaction has 0 fee
2) the transaction is signed

However, if you ever want this transaction to end up in a block, you'll need to find a mining node that:
1) still accepts 0 fee transactions
2) includes those transactions into the block the miner is trying to solve

I guess those miners should still exist, but i don't think they'll be easy to find tough...

BTW: if you're a pool operator, don't include this transaction as a favour, it's just spending an unspent output to fund exactly the same address, so it's a moot transaction

I am positive that nothing is FREE nowadays so I think it still has.

My years of experience with bitcoin, I don't think making a transaction without a very transaction fee isn't possible and visible but in the nearest future, maybe that can be possible nobody knows.

Yes it is theoretically possible. And I sent many times bitcoins for free in the past but it was very long ago  ;) .
It depends only on the pool if the server accept transactions with 0 fee and if it find a block it is done . Anyway I think it does not work nowadays .

Its not possible to carry out transactions on the blockchain ecosystem without paying for transaction fee. What you should know is that that which is called "transactions fee" is just a few paid to the miners to be able to mine the cryptocurrency .

impossible, as long as I transact digitally there is still no free service in the transaction. Fee is very important in speeding up transactions in bitcoin, isn't the bitcoin fee still fairly low,

I look at Google and found that this can be possible in some ways. But they recommend to send a small amount. In short it is unnecessary.
The other way is GDAX. As far as I have read, they will charge your transaction fee in return of your ID. But it is just a waste of time.

Yes it is not possible to send BTC without transaction fee. Transaction fee is few percent and it stays same for small amount as well as huge. Transaction fee is required for speeding up the process and also it used as paying to Miners of the crypto currencies.

No, it's not possible. The fees are the economic incentive to maintain the network and reach the distributed consensus. Fees are necessary.

That's totally impossible. You simply cannot give it from hand to hand to skip the fee just like in the case of fiat. For bitcoin you must to use didderent services that provide the transaction and you need to pay for that.

It used to be possible as you can see in the next transaction.


https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e2bf2818fb85834cb507a835e43eea579513b2bbf821f17b4e8d916023774137

But nowadays wallets don't allow it, even the bitcoin core gives a warning if the fee is too low.

It is not possible as it serve as a gas to travel the bitcoin to other wallets.
The is the cost to pay the miners for the transaction.

Though i know i have same answer like other that is not the real point why i post here.

I just wonder if that will happen that people dont need to pay for the transaction.
Will it happen very soon?

as long as I know it is not possible to send BTC without fees ... they also need money ... every transaction must have costs

If you've read the recent replies you already know the answer to your question. It won't happen because there's no point in mining bitcoin transactions that has no fee. If miners starts putting 0 fee transactions in every block that they mine it would just encourage more users to make 0 fee transaction and they can spam the blockchain without spending a satoshi. When the network gets spammed for a very long time fees can become very expensive.

Miners just survive from our fees, that is why it should for any transactions.  If we want easy and quick transfer then we should have to pay more satoshi than of usual fees we do to be priorities. People should have to think about it rather than of complaining for fees that they collected.

I think not, it really would be so slow that I have not tried, but remember that the fee is to maintain the network and pay the miners to verify your spending and record it, so it does not make much sense if it is eliminated, since the deterioration of equipment and other expenses generated from mining bitcoin, have to be paid by the community that uses it.

Sorry i don't want to hurt your feelings to offend you? I tell you frankly n0thing exchange can allowed bitcoin transer without transaction fees.( in short it is impossible and nothing stupid exchange can allowing your ideas).

That's  was impossible that sending coins without transfer fee because just it like remittances  that need to pay transaction or we called transfer fee so if you like it or not you need to pay or else you can't transfer you coins. But you have choice for the low fee if you want to transfer but low fee choose the turtle transfer that is to slow transferring or it is almost 1 to 2 days sometimes 3 days but it is low fee.

No, you have to pay for the fees in order for that transaction to be approved. How can you expect not to pay fees when it is business? And I think this is not a charity that everything is free. Anyway, the fees are very low so nothing to worry about you can compute it and decide whether to send it or not.

Miners are the ones responsible for verifying every transaction in bitcoin blockchain. Thus, it is not possible to have free transaction. Unless, bitcoin developers would create a set of rules for this matter. Though, it is not the case as.of now since there is a lot of bitcoin remained unmined.

In that transaction we can see how long you need to receive, it's around 2 days. But I still can't believe that transaction can succeed in 2 days without fees. Like a something strange and I don't know about that.

Moreover, the fees that are too low can cause your transaction to crash, this has happened a long time ago and I personally also experienced it at that time because I was too low in placing fees. So in my opinion it is impossible for us to be able to make transactions without fees.

As far as possible bitcoin transfer without transactions fees is impossible. But coinbase to coinbase bitcoin transfer fees is very low in amounts.

Well you can try it for yourself and see how it works out. My guess is: Not very well. ;) Transaction fees are what keeps our whole ecosystem healthy. No transaction fees... no miners to verify transactions.

If markets, it is different problem. They charge fees because they need money to maintain their site, so we still can use their site with confident and no problem happen to them. But maybe in above i only said there is a way to send bitcoin to other person without transaction fee.

Right, every time you make transaction in bitcoin and not only bitcoin also other business they have transaction fee and this is not free, cause it make your transaction become safe secured and make it fast. Your fee in your transaction it use to pay the miners and other maintenance charges.

Nope this can't happen, good question though but it can't be free transactions around here and don't think of the miners being greedy about this because they are just doing their jobs, once transactions are being connected they will take out a very small portion depending also with the amount of BTC that you have sent

  No,it is impossible because miners needs a payment that's why every bitcoin transaction has a transaction fee that we need to pay. There is no thanks for today,all need fees for every transaction not only in bitcoin even in other cryptocurrency.

This is one of those threads where i feel i'm taking one step foreward and two steps back...

I've tried explaining (twice), but the thread keeps getting filled by people that post their feelings about the subject unhindered by any knowledge on the topic that's being discussed.

Please read this post before mumbling false claims in this thread

• It is true that most wallets (and especially the gui versions) have disabled the feature to create 0 fee transactions
• It is true that most node implementations reject 0 fee transactions (especially if they're setup using their default config)
• It is true that most miners won't include 0 fee transactions into the blocks they're trying to solve

HOWEVER

There is nothing in the bitcoin protocol stopping anybody from creating 0 fee transactions, broadcasting them, relaying them, including them in VALID blocks! It's not because the software implementations removed the option from their menu's that the protocol changed in a way that would make 0 fee transactions invalid.

IF you know what you're doing, AND you know a miner that would still accept 0 fee transactions, you WOULD be able to get a 0 fee transaction into a block (given that the miner got lucky and found a valid block header).
Offcourse, this is not the standard way of doing things, sure it's not possible if you stick to using the gui of most of the wallets and try to broadcast the transaction to a couple random nodes, that does not mean the protocol no longer allows this...

As a matter of fact, only 1 page ago in this very thread, i proved that a 0 fee transaction could still be generated... I suppose most of the people posting garbage after this post had no idear what i was posting, since they only saw a sequence of ascii characters without realising it was in fact a valid, signed transaction they were looking at:
Offcourse, i don't know any nodes that have no minimum relay fee (even my own nodes have a minimum relay fee, and i'm not about to change this), nor do i know a big mining pool operator that still accepts 0 fee transactions, so getting this transaction into a valid block is very hard, but NOT impossible!

Sure possible, all major exchanges don't take any commission, so just store your btc there

Yeah how would you expect the miners, who basically make transactions work, make money to sustain what they're doing. And it'll be difficult to find any alternatives for them given mining's requirements.

Are you serious?It seems like you want to buy an item from a grocery store that is tax exempted huh?
Will never happen buddy that is more than impossible to become reality

sigh...   :'(

4 posts ago, i did my very best to give a non-technical, but complete answer to all those people spreading incorrect information... But it seems like people don't even read the last couple of posts before they start blurting out misinformation...

Unless somebody starts a serious, to-the-point discussion in this thread, i'm giving up... This will be my last reply in this thread (unless, as i've said before, serious posters start posting here). EDIT: i couldn't help myself... People just blurt out whatever nonsense comes to their minds, so i simply had to reply to a couple posts

I'll take even one more step back from the technical crypto-related discussion, and simplify even more... Bare with me, this is going to take a certain level of imagination.

Imagine you are a photo editor and you make a living watermarking images with some text. You get payed if the image you watermarked is published in a newspaper.
It's a very simple world you live in, there are only 2 photo editors available:

• microsoft paint, running on micro$oft windows... Very easy to use, no learning curve... That's why 99% of the photo editors use it
• Gimp, running on linux... Great program, but both the OS and the photo editing software have a bigger learning curve, that's why only 1% of the editors use it

One day, there is a communist attack in your world... Allmost all newspapers decide that red text can be linked to communism, so most of the newspapers in the world no longer print pictures that have a red text watermark on them.
Beecause micro$oft tries to shield it's users (they're not that tech savvy), they decide that all future versions of paint will no longer feature the color "red". It is now impossible to change any pixel into a red one, let alone put red text on an image. Gimp on the other hand, being an open source program, allows it's users the freedom to do whatever they want (no ban on the color red).

After a while, you visit a forum where photo editors congregate, and somebody asks if red text can still be added to a picture. 90% Of the posters immediately answer: "no". Some tech savvy posters start to mumble about technical possibility's but immediately point out that no newspaper will ever accept the image.

But the truth is: there is no law against red letters on an image, there are still photo viewers that show images (even with red letters), there is an image editor that still allows the color red (but it's not very user-friendly, since you need to install a different OS and learn how to use gimp). There are even a small amount of newspapers that don't correlate red text to the communist attacks, and they're willing to buy your images with red text watermarks if you would make them.
So, the answer to the question is: "YES", with a sidenote that you need some technical knowledge to do this, and you'll have a hard time finding a newspaper that's willing to publish your images... So if you'd just add blue letters to the image, it would make your life a lot easyer...

I know, the comparison of this imaginary world to 0 fee transactions isn't perfect, but to a certain degree, it is valid...
If you wish to know why, just look at my earlyer posts in this very topic...

A last remark: people don't seem to get some simple facts about fees.
When a miner finds a block header whose sha256d hash is under the current target, the block he found is valid. The first transaction in the block is the coinbase transaction, it usually funds one of the miner's addresses with a value of: 12.5 BTC + the sum of the fees of all transactions in the block.
If a miner would add no transactions, or all 0 fee transactions, he'd STILL get 12.5 BTC (untill the next block reward halving).

The sum of the fees is very small compared to the 12.5 BTC, so the difference to a miner is neglectible at this moment (i'm not talking about those spam-attack, bidding war, full blocks periods... At these periods, a miner might get significant income from mining fees, and at this point it would be unimaginable to get a 0 fee transaction into a block unless you pay a huge miner to increase the priority of your transaction in his mempool)

In times of blocks being incompletely filled, it would be perfectly possible to fill the blocks with 0 fee transactions IF (and only if) people would start running nodes that relayed 0 fee transactions, and miners would be willing to include them into blocks... The reason they're not doing this is probably because in a couple block halvings, they reward will be rather low, and they'll have to start depending on the fees to make a living... But like i said: this is in the far future, this is not happening right now... Right now, a miner choses not to include 0 fee transactions because 1) it doesn't give him any monetary incentive to do so and 2) because the default config he might be running is already configured not to accept 0 fee transactions.

So far, I have joined, and never transferred the BTC to the cost, if it is not possible, it will not be possible. It depends on how many you want to transfer

On the Blockchain Bitcoin , transaction fees are determined by free market forces. Free market forces mean that anyone is free to set their own transaction fees and send transactions. This is good, but it also involves disadvantages when the space is small. Where the Bitcoin blocks are only as large as 1 MB, which means they do not absorb a lot of transactions in total. On average, Bitcoin transactions are 230-250 bytes in size, which means that the 1MB mass can accommodate only 4194 to 4559 transactions.
if you want to make a transaction You must pay the fees and you control them. When you pay more fees, the conversion process will be faster

it is impossible to send transactions without any fees, but you can make it lower, the lower fees you pay, the slower transaction you will get

Not unless you’re a senior citizen, you can ask for some discount but in cryptoworld, transaction fees is everything. Honestly, there are some new exchange site who started with transaction free but in the long run they make a new rules that they will going to start collecting fees, so this mean at the end of the day, you still need to pay the fees.

Yeah, that's impossible all transaction have charges no one is able to make it free, specially in cryptocurrency. The transactions fee is really important they use it to pay for miners, tax and other expenses.

I think there must be transaction fees, however small because this is income in the business. If it's too big it will be very burdensome for users of bitcoin, and can result in high transaction costs. It is not competitive.
So in my opinion there must still be a transaction fee, but within a reasonable limit it means that it must be below the fee that the bank expects, because bitcoin transactions are peer to peer.

I agree. It is impossible because transaction fee is what you pay to process anything you have to send anywhere. Sometimes for fast transfer you have to used the maximum fee or if it is lower which you can wait longer to finish it. No transaction fee is like sending something online without internet connection, it won't happen.

it was possible, i really miss 0 sat/byte fees, you can still send it


1> create transaction using any raw transaction sign tool
2> put fee 0 sat/byte
3> relay it to nodes that accept 0 sat


Another way is it use CPFP

Sending is possible, but the reciever wont ever get those Bitcoins. Miners get rewards and the fees you send when sending Bitcoin. But when there is no fee, miners wont have profit on mining your transaction block and they will skip it and your Bitcoins will be lost  because your transaction wont get any confirmation.

if only that had happened it was good news. but the fact is that the btc transaction certainly costs money. because the shipping party certainly does not want to be free. so everything needs a fee, it can't be free.

There are some transaction that is not subject for the fees for example the wallet that I’m using right now, but most of the time it is subject for the fees because the developer needs money also so they can still run the business. The fees are very low sometimes and I know you can afford that.

As of now it is totally impossible. The fees are the amount paid to the miners. These miners are validating the transactions. Though, it is possible to have a free transaction only if developers would create a code that would not require miners. However,  this is far from reality as of now because bitcoin hasn't been mined fully.  There is a lot of reserved as of now.

Transaction fees are a vital part of a functioning BTC economy.

Every block mined comes with a gas fee which determines the speed and verification of the transaction made. Putting 0 as a transaction fee means no block is mined, hence no transaction can be made. Also, service providers which include the wallet developers and exchange developers earn from these transaction fees.

I don't think that it would be possible because the fess goes to the block mined and thats where the transaction is made like for example in local banks, some banks are collecting fees when you transfer money to other accounts that are not within your city or region.

Hmm, as far I know is impossible to send BTC without transaction fees. Every wallet you are using requires you to pay some amount of BTC for fees if have to do a transaction. Maybe you can decrease the transaction fees on some wallet like Bitcoin Core but it makes your transaction speed slower...

Wow... I had stepped away from this thread, and it derailed once again... I know i said i'd step away, but when faced with this much misinformation, i couldn't help myself and add yet another reply. I've read the last ~10 replies and tried to correct the errors.

From now on, i'm going to start putting people on ignore that post nonsense.

You're mixing up bitcoin and ethereum. Gas fee = Ethereum terminology
Next to this, creating a transaction with 0 fee has no effect on the miners, they'll mine empty blocks (only including the coinbase transaction) if they have to. Also, it's possible to make a transaction with 0 fee, as i've proved many times in this very thread. Wallet and exchange developers do NOT make money on the transaction fees, exchanges usually charge deposit, exchange and withdrawal fees, but that's usually completely offchain.

Nope... The user makes a transaction, broadcasts it to a node, which relays it to more nodes untill it reaches a node run by a miner. A miner just collects those transactions, verifies them (again) and adds them to the block he's trying to solve (at least, if it makes economical sense for him to do so... Blocksize is limited)

If you use the console of bitcoin core, you can do whatever you want (fee-wise). Even 0 fee



Nope... The fees are NOT payed to the developers. A miner can add the sum of the fees of all transactions he put in the block he's trying to solve to the current block reward funding his own address. The developers get nothing

It is not possible to do that.

I also got a payment transaction with 0 fees, the transaction made me wait a long time and finally confirmed by the network, maybe it was a few years ago and for now until later I think it won't be possible to do bitcoin transactions without fees

The chart you posted shows that it is technically possible to send a Bitcoin transaction with the output BTC amount which is equal to the input BTC amount. In fact, this possibility depends on the current number of pending transactions. Nowadays many people transfer BTC coins to each other, so miners tend to accept transactions with a high fee in the primary order.

Anyways, Bitcoin transaction fees are currently not very high as was the case in January 2018, so it is easy enough to pay such cheap commissions.

The answer is absolutely NO. And for now, we have to pay more and more transaction fees if we want the transaction to be processed timely.

The fee is quite used to the development of the bitcoin economy, but I think that a possible transaction is free of charge, but also miners receive a part of money. I mean, as long as the transactions are used, the fee will go along.

no, because transaction costs are the main benchmark for making transfers without transaction fees, the transaction will not work. And in my opinion the cost of bitcoin transactions is still fairly low, and not worrying so far.

I think it's impossible because every exchange or wallet need to get a fee because it's for development of that platform that's why we need pay a fee.

It will only be possible if yo are a miner. In which case you will select that transaction and mine it. I even doubt it but I think it will work because I kow that of eth which is possible to send without fee. The miners can do this with ease but there is no where in this crypto world that you are going to get a free transaction.

No, it can't be.  That's how really btc works but if you really insist to make a zero transaction fee then you need to shift your attention on other altcoin. They already exists and Nano is one of the most popular in the coinmarketcap.

It is likely to be practical, of course everyone wants it, but all transaction costs will speed up your transaction when you send BTC to the person closest to you, if we do not use transaction fees whether it will speed up your transaction, of course it will slow down your transaction and the miners don't get their opinion, if there are no withdrawal fees ....

it seems that it will not be possible because to do a bitcoin transaction it will go into the blockchain system and you need to pay the shipping costs for mining who have provided bitcoin for you, and the shipping costs are not too expensive so it doesn't become a big problem .

Whenever you make a transaction the transaction happens through series of block confirmations, so these happens through the miners and for every transaction they get a small fee. So, it isn't possible to make a transaction without a fee, but you can make a transaction without submitting fee. This won't gets confirmed forever. Exchanges support transaction within their services without fee.

Yes, you are right for that, there are no free transactions, because if the transaction you make is free, your transaction will never be done because there are no miners, therefore miners are held to speed up the transactions that you make.

I think that is impossible to send bitcoin without transaction fees, because transaction costs are taxes where we have to pay for using the service. withdraw from the exchange to the wallet must pay. impossible if send bitcoin free

It is practically impossible. Just as your car cannot move without fuel so also bitcoin need gas to fuel the transfer. This transaction fee is the amount that paid miners in order to aid transfer of your crypto asset. However since nobody have monopoly in cryptocurrency of cryptocurrencies, there will be opportunity for you to explore various transactions fee that is offer by many exchange platforms and this will allow you to go for the one that have the lowest transaction fee. Do not exchange reputation matters. any platform that intend to offer free transaction is not sustainable.

I think as long as there are transactions there must be costs to be paid, including the use of bitcoin. But it doesn't matter as long as the cost is cheap and doesn't burden the user, because one of the purposes of using bitcoin is to cut unnecessary costs for transaction efficiency.
In the future maybe the use of bitcoin does not have to have a fee, but now it cannot yet because the system has not been accepted by all parties.

This is not really possible bitcoin transaction fee needed because it is the miners fees.so if you want to transaction your bitcoin form others account then you have to pay the fee.but yes 2016 year have been possible to transaction bitcoin without cost fee.but now impossible,in fact it will can yes/no until year later.

Do you feel burdened with costs? None of the bitcoin transactions are sent for free for now, the cost function of the transaction is to create a machine to keep working. However, if you ask how to reduce transaction costs it only makes sense. ;)

I agree to all who says it won't be possible since in order to complete one bitcoin transaction, it should be pass through the miners and the miner would process and complete the transaction and there is minimal fee for that. To support miners electricsl expenses.

No mate, this is not posible. What is the point of miners then ? And without miners, how do you expect to send the funds or to receive them ? If you think bitcoin fee is to high for you, you should move to another coin wich has a smaller fee but don't you worry, you should see bitcoin fee in the bull run , that would definetly scare you.

Actually you can send BTC without using transaction fees, as long as you don't mind waiting for the next few days, chances are it will take three days, if for three days your funds don't show confirmation then your BTC will return to your wallet address, but most people preferring to use transaction fees rather than not using fees, because they don't want to wait too long, so I prefer to use transaction fees rather than not using them ..

although the use of cryptocurrency continues to be developed by scientists so that the holders can feel comfortable doing transactions without the costs that must be incurred I think that is not possible, because every transaction must require costs to be incurred

So far I have not seen any site or exchange offering this. We know everything in cryptocurrency is about money and its business. I think there might be some instances for this but as to have a really free transaction, it is quite impossible. Energy is wasted in mining so it is difficult to give it for free.

If theres No transaction fee on sending bitcoin to other wallet that's impossible to happened because all altcoins have a fee for Sending or Withdraw.

When sending bitcoin from your wallet to a receivers wallet there is normally a transcation fee or mining fee that must be paid before a transcation can be confirmed

I don't think this is possible. Remember that transaction fees go to blockchain mining which keeps the transaction in the network secured. So basically, it's the miners' reward for tracking and securing blockchain transactions. Even if the total mineable coins of bitcoin is mined, sending BTC without a fee would remain just a dream, as long as crypto is using blockchain to make transactions, especially now that the demand for the use of blockchain gets higher and higher each time.

Bitcoins are not controlled by any financial institution. Banks have nothing to do with this currency. And therefore, no intermediaries are required to conduct operations, and there is no one to pay a commission.

No one will be able to limit the amount of transfer or freeze your account. The only danger is the loss of a key from a bitcoin wallet. This is really a serious risk, since it is impossible to restore access to the wallet. Lost keys are lost forever.

Not possible. Why do you even want a feeless transaction? I thought the purpose of Bitcoin fee is to prevent spam/ddos.  It's not even for the  Miners as some suggest.
 The fees very negligible by the way. It saves the network from attacks

To do it individually it is not possible but if you use another sites services they can send your bitcoin and take on the transaction fee themself.
Some casino sites such as the sports books I use do not charge you to send bitcoin off their site.
I also use a wallet for exchange when I send bitcoin from their site they do not charge any sending fees too.

Absolutely not, transaction fee is what miners use in making transactions easier and swift for different parties. Without this it won't be possible for bitcoin to be sent out or in.

at no cost is something that is difficult to happen because we know that developments and technology all need costs and funding to access them and for that every need of funds

If we understand, those fees they collected are just for miners who did it and it is must in order to proceed the transactions we made. Fees are not so high and it we could set it into the lowest but it cause delays due cause the usually prioritize those transactions that have pay more satoshi's.
I will never make that hard if we would like to move it fast and quick transaction, the most important is it will never takes too long to wait before it confirmed.

transaction fees are the compensation for competitive computation of complex mathematical problems initiated via the transaction within the blockchain network and in this case the bitcoin  option. it gets really interesting and makes the transactions get processed and brings in many miners to cover for the numerous transactions that gets initiated on a daily basis.

You really cannot tell that there was no free transactions available earlier, most of the online wallets used to transfer funds for free without any fees before the transaction charges started increases because of the block limit and getting to a consensus took a really long time which made a lot of difference on how bitcoin is adapted since, now every online wallet does charge you fees for every transaction and nothing is free now, If you are using your own wallet then you can send transaction with very minimal fees, less than ten cents right now but without any fee is impossible if you are planning to send your coins :D.

As of now I don't have any incounter that there's no fee because most of in crypto have a fee if you do a transaction. And fee is the one thing they can use to develop their every platform.

I don't think it is possible, because the transaction fees serve to reward the miners' work, in addition to the emission of new bitcoins...

Yeah, fees are here to make this market more secure. Its hard for a developer to run their system if there is no profit at all and chances are, they will just close the project. So fees is good sometimes, and its more affordable compare to other financial institutions.

Yes, in order for a service to exist there some be some kind of compensation for it or it won't be online for too long unless someone rich who don't mind donating his/her money do it, in this case we talk about money of course. The worldwide compensation for services or products.

It just can't be done until society is perfect and money is not needed.

if in my opinion. sending bitcoin at no cost is very pleasant. but if in my opinion it's impossible, bro. send without fees. because. in the real world, every shipment in the form of money or goods is subject to a transfer fee. My expectation is that transfer fees will be cheaper than the current transfer fee

Always you pay transaction fees for transferring btc from one wallet to other wallet. Little bit of low or high. But must be pay fees.

But now I want to say about coinbase. Where they support transection btc Through coinbase email address. Where coinbase don't charge any fees for transection. And transection is instant. So I want to say it is the one way for transferring btc from one person to other without any fees. You can choose it. [ coinbase is an Exchange don't a wallet ] Thanks      

It's been a while since i last posted on this topic, but it filled with nonsense dribble once again... I guess no more than 25% of the posts in this topic make any sense (both gramatically and technically). Since newbies WILL be able to read this nonsense posted by higher ranking members, i have no choice but to set the record straight once in a while.

Everybody spreading false rumours in this thread will go straight to my ignore list from this point foreward...


The miner can add the sum of all fees of all transactions he puts in the block he's trying to solve to the coinbase transaction... So the fee IS for the miners (as some suggest).
At the moment, the fees are neglectible, however, about a year ago there were fees upward of 400 sat/byte.


Wot ???


Offchain transactions between two sportbook "wallets" *can* be free because they are offchain... It's just the sportsbook updating the balance of your account in their relational database. As long as they don't broadcast a transaction, they don't have to charge a fee. If they allow you to withdraw your winnings for free, they're the ones footing the bill... it has nothing to do with 0 fee transactions (which are technically possible, but very improbable).


On a technical level, there is no "in" or "out", just transactions spending unspent outputs from the utxo set, funding addresses so new unspent outputs can be created. A fee does not make it easyer for a miner to add your transaction to a block, it just gives the miner an incentive to do so.


If you use the command line interface of core, the console of electrum, coinb.in,... It's still possible to create 0 fee transactions... The trick is getting them broadcasted/relayed and finding a miner that's willing to add them to the block he's trying to solve.


Huh ??? So, because altcoins are using fees, bitcoins must be using fees? I don't follow that logic.
The fee does NOT pay the dev!

The fee does NOT pay the dev!

Once again: offchain transactions *can* be free since they're just an update in the relational database of the online wallet provider

I do not think it's possible to sent bitcoin without being charged a transaction fee.
But I do know that one can use the custom function to adjust the transfer fee .
You either reduce or increase the fee using the custom function if you want accelerated confirmation or so I hear.

It has never been happening, but i don't know if we can manage to send bitcoins without fee in the future.
Even sending coin which using Proof of Stake (PoS) algorithm, it still need fee, although only small fee.
But in cryptocurrency, you only have to pay small fee without regarding of how much you send the coins.

Not possible, we know that every transaction have allocated fee. Hopefully in  the future one company related in blockchain create a free transaction fee. But I think this will not happen, paying fee is going to who create the system.

Until now, there is no way you can send bitcoin without fee to spend.
Same with other altcoins. For example is Monero. When i use monero client in the desktop wallet, i tried to sending the coin with exact amount of my balance. The transaction was not occurred because there was not enough fee, and i must send the coin with amount below from my balance to reserve the fee.

There is no wallet without transaction fees. I think you'll still get a fee to guarantee all your privacy safely.

Also, transaction fees aren’t decided by the wallet. It’s decided by the network, by a whole lot of factors. It’s also optional, meaning you can choose to not pay a fee and run the risk of no miners wanting to put your transaction on a block because they won’t benefit from it.

From knowledge and personal experience, Sending to a cryptocurrency address is costly due to the blockchain mining fee, and can take a while especially when there is network congestion. Although there are claims that it could be free amidst other factors, I guess I'll have to do a thorough research on the possibilities before attempting it

For now there is no single Bitcoin transaction market that every transaction is free, at least there is a shipping gas cut, depending on the market rules itself in deduction,
so for those of you who want to transact Bitcoin you can choose a cheaper market in the transaction is up to you, many can be handled, I don't mention the market, you can search on Google. Or service forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0

There may not be zero transaction but there will be a lower transaction fee which depend on your time zone. Most at time, my transactions are based on my time zone UTC 6 PM then i enjoy minimal fee transaction at this particular period of time. You can enjoy this as well if you can check for your time zone.