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I was always a huge Bitcoin person. Maybe owned a few Litecoin. Than 2017 came and I was into NEO, Ethereum, Cardano, etc. I’m a HODLER not a trader.

I saw the value of my NEO drop from 1BTC ats peak to .25BTC now.
same with all my other altcoins. Some are worthless. Others still are worth .1 BTC. .2 BTC.  This bothers me way more than the USD loss.

So I’m thinking it’s time to start to face the facts and retain whatever satoshis are left by trading most of them back to Bitcoin.

Any thoughts on this? I bought 100 NEO at $14 saw it go to $200 than down to $8.

I’m a Bitcoin guy at heart. And it kills me to see all the Satoshi losses.

If you are saying you have bought em all when it was $14 and saw it gone to the $200 and why don't you sell all of your portfolios? NEO has No. future consider there is a bunch of competitors and it's not worth anymore to hold. Lack of pump and volatility

Plenty of projects are undervalued in this market. You're better off switching your garbage out for these ones and potentially earn BTC profit while price of Bitcoin is increasing in potential bill market. If you've already lost a majority of BTC value you'll probably have a hard time chasing riches if you pit it all back into Bitcoin

Well, you are not alone of this misery but most of us really suffered great losses of this bearish market but still i suggest that we continue to hold and be patience as what is the point of selling it low right now. Hopefully the ETF products will be approve soon as i believed that it will attract millions of investments triggering the bullish run.

You said youre a holder not a trader then you must hold it for more years not 1 or 2, crypto is in bearish mode right now so better holding your btc, 2020 next year is bitcoin halving it will have an impact of course in price either up or down depends on the market and demand but Im sure next year we can see a new status of market I hope for a bullish one.

The crypto market is undervalued in both USD and BTC. If you want to maximize BTC value I would think about holding your altcoins for some more time and wait for the market to rise.

You know that altcoins are even riskier investments than Bitcoin. They fluctuate more and wider. And they have a much higher chance to drop to 0.
I don't say your portfolio is bad. I don't know. But if you are bitcoiner at hearth maybe you should have kept most of your money into Bitcoin.

Also, you know that huge amounts of money have gone out of crypto market. This clearly means that the altcoins have dropped too. A lot.
I don't want to "sell" you false promises. But in the same way we expect (sooner or later) money come back into Bitcoin, many expect the money back into the whole crypto market. And then some of the altcoins will recover not only against Dollar, against Bitcoin too. Just I can't tell which of the altcoins.

This is a quite bad time to sell, whatever crypto you sell, but also some altcoins may not recover at all. It's hard to decide which to keep and which to sell and it's solely your decision.

I don't know if this will always be true, but it has been true since the beginning of crypto: BTC doesn't rise as much as alts in a bull market and alts don't retain as much value in a bear market. If you think the bear market is bottomed out and you trade alts for BTC based on its performance, based on past markets you'll be making a mistake as the BTC you bought won't rise as much in the bull market. The smartest/luckiest people in the room sold for cash and are either buying alts now or avoiding the market entirely, not trading their alts for BTC. Also, it's a good time to hedge if you are long BTC given you are getting more bang for your buck and there's no guarantee (in fact there's a lot of doubt) that BTC will be One-Coin-To-Rule-Them-All.

The other part of this is what coins you are holding: if the outlook for the coins you are holding hasn't changed or has gotten better, there's no logical reason to sell as the price isn't correlated to future performance, just the mood of the market. If the coins look like total  shit, they were probably shit when you bought and the hype cycle reeled you into buying. I know it's tough to ignore or stifle emotions when it comes to money, but you'll have better performance if you do. As the saying goes, "be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy."

Hmmm,seems like theres a contradiction on what is your heart felt and whats your action

You are a Bitcoin Guy at Heart but you had purchased large amount of altcoins and hold them for quite some times?

So where is the bitcoin heart there?

You have been holding for more than a year now,and you had this feeling of losing the whole 2018 and not you are asking if you need to convert all of you folios to bitcoin?

For me this is a stupid idea because those coins you have mentioned(and maybe those others in your folio)are good altcoins and has a good potential ps,though this dip market has been hard for all of the crypto coins so better stay holding for atleast another year,after all YOU ARE A HOLDER AND NOT A TRADER right.?

Really hard to give financial advise, but if you're a Bitcoin guy by heart then why you stick with a lot of altcoins though? They are high risk because of the "pump-and-dump" practice, even riskier than bitcoin. And you know that there's some correlation about the price of bitcoin and altcoin. So obviously when bitcoin falls, altcoins suffers more, so I just hope that it's not too late for you (dumping altcoins will give you big losses at this time) to go back to bitcoin market. So I can't really tell what's the best thing to do in your situation right now.

Unless a coin (each looked at seperately) develops to the point that it is used without the need to go through BTC, things won't change much.

Which coin has a purpose, IF it has a real life purpose, is up to you to decide (my SUBJECTIVE view is that atleast 90% have 0 real purpose).

Because, again IMHO, only those that have real life purpose (other than "we can buy stuff with it") are truly worth hodling.

But that's just me.


Oh, and...when you invest subjectively small enough amounts, just like if you go out and buy 5 drinks and forget about it, you will NOT react to ANY price change, because you invested what you consider lost already and you have faith in the technology/plans of a certain coin you invested in.


EDIT: I have 5 different coins, 1 main and 4 "shitcoins" in who I don't expect nothing really :D  I bought almost 2 years ago and haven't felt sad at ANY point, even though all coins were like 1000% higher than now.
I invested a small amount and I don't care. Main coin is far from it's potential and the rest...if it happens, happens.
I truly believe when you make correct steps, you don't react to anything and keep a sane mind.

All holders experience the same fate as you, but stopping and selling low is a rushed choice. It's best to remain a holder at least until 2019 ends, I think in 2019 there will be an opportunity to recover.

Your buy at 14 USD / NEO was great at the time, but you have to ask yourself, why not cash at least some of them out at 100 USD or 200 USD. Are these digital currencies so precious to you that

10x ++ gains are not enough to part with at least some of them ?.. In the history of all financial activity, anything that gains 50-100x or above is bound fluctuate back, before making a new move,

it's Investing / Trading / Money Management 101 to take some partial profits at those spectacular levels...

I'm sorry about your situation, many have the same problem, there are only two ways to solve 1) fix the losses and try to win back by starting to trade more actively 2) continue to keep on but at the same time making additional bitcoin to increase profits with growth.

You will make another mistake. One was trading Bitcoin for alts in 2017 and another will be trading alts for Bitcoin in 2019. If you are a trader and not holder then you should do the opposite. Buy alts now and buy bitcoin in 2021.

At least it looks like you're holding some legit projects rather than some random shitcoins. We're in a bear market, so chances of seeing your alts increase in satoshi value are low, especially to 2017 levels. My advice would to hold them for the long-term, there's no reason to dump them at such low prices right now. Since you're a hodler, you can be patient enough to wait for the next altcoin cycle to hit market so your alts can increase in value to convert them to btc.

We just need to accept the situation of the market, all the ALtcoins are directly tied to Bitcoin, we need a total deviation from this if the market want to grow, it is very disturbing that BTC drag Altcoins up and down with it. We are all fan of BTC but for now we have seen that Bitcoin can not work in isolation and we need new tech

I have plenty of shitcoins.
ZClassic
Bitcoin Private
Bitdegree
Vertcoin

But the vast bulk of what I own is BTC, LTC, ETH, ADA.

TODAY I swapped my 100 NEO for .22 BTC. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH of that one. In 2017 NEO was “The one.” The Chinese Ethereum. But now there is NEO, and Ethereum, Cardano, EOS...I mean how many protocols do we need? Da Hongfei barely tweets about NEO anymore. No one really discusses NEO.

I WILL probably end up being wrong. But as each day grows I feel more and more like a Bitcoin maximalist. The best doesn’t always win. A lot of times. It’s the first.

Look at it this way as an alternative line of thinking: which is more likely to happen, BTC going to 100k USD from here, or NEO retesting its all time highs of 200 USD from here,

either of these events would give you approximately identical returns, you can bet on whichever one you think is more likely to happen first...

One thing is for sure here, you were getting involved with your emotion. And yeah, i do agree with you because sometimes it's hard to see that Bitcoin keeps falling and falling for the entire year. We haven't seen some positive changes now, i guess there will be no bullish this year though it is just a first quarter. We will see something in the next quarter so as of now we should've hold whatever left to us.

It is hard to get the highest returns from a portfolio with many altcoins and always good to keep a core position in bitcoin at all times.

Not selling to USD. Just converting to Bitcoin. I was INTENSLY into NEO in 2017...back the. They were the alternative to ethereum. Now there is cardano. And eos. And so many others. They can all survive and be valuable. Bitcoin really has a strong foothold. I’ll cut my losses in bitcoin. But not fiat, I care less about that.

Honestly...Bitcoin to 100K. Neo...May recovery. But I just don’t see what kind of catalyst will get it to $200. So much competition in the protocol space. Da Hongfei seems a little distant from the project.

If it drops again to $5 or lower I’ll buy some back.

Your emotion and your stinginess is killing you my friend, this is easy to say but not easy to do, and guess what, your situation now just happen to me now, LOL
I witness my assets increase 5x and i let it down without selling any, this is very sad of me. Now i know that knowledge is very expensive :(

People are saying this time and time again - when we have a bear market BTC is slower to drop, when we have a bull market BTC is slower to moon.
So it's always smart to have lots of FIAT during bears, this will see you jump in Satoshi value.

From the beginning, you should ask your self first until when are you going to hold those and what is your target price to sell it for a profit. If you dont have a goal while holding those altcoins then you are only wasting your time and missing thousands of opportunities a year. I was a holder before and also experienced the same so if I were you, those altcoins you are holding got a potential so you better hold it then target a specific price to sell it instead of panic selling those where in return, it will give you more losses and suffering when peak season returns.

you're not alone losing money with this condition of the market, well this is crypto so risky to invest just move on keep hold your crypto I know it will take long to recover, why don't you buy more at these price it seems we are now in the bottom, sell them when you earn profit.

Before exchanging BTC for other coins, you need to make a plan. If not, then you will be guided only by feelings. This is most likely a way to lose.
It's too late now to talk about it.
If you exchange back the remaining funds in BTC, according to Murphy's Law, growth will begin. It is also useful to remember that if BTC go up, alts rise faster. This gives you a great chance to recover your investment in case of a bull run.

The issue is that you applied the same strategy you were applying in bitcoin to altcoins, if I buy any altcoin I always have a price in my head that when reached will make me to get out of the market, just look at your investment in NEO you invested at the perfect time and you still got losses because you did not had an exit strategy, even if it was something as simple as if I double my money I will sell, you will be enjoying profits instead of losses.

Not sure I'd trade Ethereum back for Bitcoin this year but the other assets possibly although there's still value in some of those alternatives from a long term perspective so it's really up to whether you think Bitcoin will outperform them in the time period you plan to have them in your portfolio

Choosing good altcoins that will outperform bitcoin and can be held long term is not easy. Next bull run will reveal what coins are still the winners to keep.

NEO has one unique quality that makes it very attractive to investors and that is the ability to basically stake without leaving your wallet open. Anyone who is holding NEO will get GAS tokens for free, and both are available on binance. NEO can pump because it supports many programming languages which attracts more developers

It has become a very natural thing if there is a price movement because cryptocurrency manipulation often occurs so that you have to be careful when you want to buy a cryptocurrency and must be prepared with the risk of loss or fortunately only you can determine it.

I'm not sure what you are doing is right, but there is no other way out for you. To tolerate is infinitely impossible, and even more so to expect that there will be an instant growth. Therefore, reinvestment is the right thing to do.

In any case, we must take into account the fact that, due to the current state of the cryptocurrency market, most of our assets have depreciated and will not return to any indicators that we expect. I compare you projects that were born in 2016 and which appeared this year, I can say that they had different conditions for development.

If you analyze the entire cryptocurrency market, despite the conditions you are talking about, all the coins have fallen in price by more than 300% lately. I do not think that in the near future we will be able to see a return to the 2017 level.

Put it back to bitcoin and don't have a second thought about this. I committed a mistake too for purchasing an altcoin and now it's dropping low and I don't think that the choice I've made will recover. It's sad to see that the value of my portfolio drops every each other day but that's the matter that I should accept for now. We'll never grow to this market if won't experience such lows, I'm a HODLER and I have few regrets but I'm willing to wait for that awaited bull run.

It's best to try to forget it and don't look at the price at this time. It will make you tired and think a lot of things, I have been like you and I have been stressed for nearly a month, finally my choice is to have a main job outside and try to forget it

Me too. I enjoyed the alt ride for a while, made profits here and there, and some coins even made 2x several times, but the problem for me was investing in ICOs. Chose the best ones, took my time to research, and yet ended up with poor ICOs, whereas others I knew invested in hype like EOS and made money.

Taught me a great big lesson that alts are just a gamble in the end. Bitcoin is where the true value will always be.

Whenever you buy any crypto, set a target value at which you will sell it. As none of us know exactly what maximum price that crypto will reach. HODLing a Cryptocurrency for an indefinite period of time is not good especially when it's at ATH. Buy at Dip and Sell when its high.

Seriously, i understand how it is for you to see your holding get to a very high price without you selling and then it goes down. It's a very frustrating thing, I face experienced it before and wouldn't want to again. Even though you're a believer, but you still need to have something to show for your investments.  Best is to forget about it, learn your lessons and know how to strike next time.

The coins that we have listed are quite good promising projects, I think that you do not need to fuss and try to exchange them back for Bitcoin. You just have to wait a while and everything will come back to normal, do not panic and do not do any short-sighted actions. Otherwise you will lose potential profit.