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Economy => Economics => Topic started by: skilo on March 10, 2014, 04:58:09 PM



Title: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: skilo on March 10, 2014, 04:58:09 PM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: protokol on March 10, 2014, 05:41:48 PM
The Swiss franc is pretty strong, compared to most other currencies atm, as it's purchasing power is pretty stable against the other big currencies.
Someone I know works for a financial firm in Zurich, and he's very happy to be paid in CHF.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: keithers on March 10, 2014, 06:13:35 PM
Yeah it's definitely not the USD


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 10, 2014, 06:58:49 PM
The Swiss franc is pretty strong, compared to most other currencies atm, as it's purchasing power is pretty stable against the other big currencies.
Someone I know works for a financial firm in Zurich, and he's very happy to be paid in CHF.

It is tied to the Euro now.  Central bank policy.  CHF strength is history.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: bitcasino on March 10, 2014, 07:29:27 PM
Yuan


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: drsnuggles on March 10, 2014, 07:41:06 PM
If you define "strong fiat" by: a low public (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt), external (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt), private and commerial debt, you'll end up with a "third-world" looking list.

If you define "strong fiat" by: used by a lot of people, it will be the USD.

Obviously, both methods fail. We might consider a fiat currency as strong if it has a stable percentage of money growth, which ideally should be 0.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: E.exchanger on March 10, 2014, 09:21:30 PM
EURO is the most strongest currency i would and if you are asking about the worth in conversion then its kuwati riyal( correct me if iam wrong) which cost somewhat around 3.55usd per riyal.  :)


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: skilo on March 10, 2014, 11:12:26 PM
If you define "strong fiat" by: a low public (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt), external (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt), private and commerial debt, you'll end up with a "third-world" looking list.

If you define "strong fiat" by: used by a lot of people, it will be the USD.

Obviously, both methods fail. We might consider a fiat currency as strong if it has a stable percentage of money growth, which ideally should be 0.

I mean as far as purchasing power goes, If you wanted to cash out some Bitcoin what would be the best currency to cash out in?


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 10, 2014, 11:21:40 PM
Yuan

PBOC is inflating it massively.  Declining even against USD now.

Any currency managed by a central bank tends to zero.  All the currencies are now managed by central banks.  They will all go to zero. 
If you want to save via currency markets, save by capitalizing a swap with positive carry.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: skilo on March 10, 2014, 11:23:32 PM
Yuan

PBOC is inflating it massively.  Declining even against USD now.

Any currency managed by a central bank tends to zero.  All the currencies are now managed by central banks.  They will all go to zero. 
If you want to save via currency markets, save by capitalizing a swap with positive carry.

Or just put all of your money into Bitcoin?


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: joshua3m on March 10, 2014, 11:40:19 PM
as probably every currency can be manipulated by Rothschild family then there isn't any which can be the strongest one...




Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 11, 2014, 03:38:16 AM
The Swiss franc is currently pegged to the Euro, but if things get really bad/worse in Greece again it will be interesting to keep an eye on how the EU tries to keep it all together.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: byronbb on March 11, 2014, 03:41:14 AM
Norwegian Krone. Not kidding.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/02/07/norways-currency-stronger-than-ever/


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: ning on March 11, 2014, 04:20:39 AM
If you define "strong fiat" by: a low public (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt), external (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt), private and commerial debt, you'll end up with a "third-world" looking list.

If you define "strong fiat" by: used by a lot of people, it will be the USD.

Obviously, both methods fail. We might consider a fiat currency as strong if it has a stable percentage of money growth, which ideally should be 0.

I mean as far as purchasing power goes, If you wanted to cash out some Bitcoin what would be the best currency to cash out in?

Fiat currencies are meant/designed to be inflated and spent, so you might just want to cash out in whatever currency that is accepted locally, because you are going to spend it ;)


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 11, 2014, 04:23:19 AM
The Norwegian krone set another record last year in terms of sheer strength, compared to other foreign currencies. That makes Norway even more expensive than normal for visitors from abroad and poses problems for Norwegian exporters, while Norwegian residents themselves can save thousands on overseas shopping trips and holidays.


Norwegian Krone. Not kidding.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/02/07/norways-currency-stronger-than-ever/


Thanks for the link.
Is Norway 'uber-socialist' like Sweden?


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: F-bernanke on March 11, 2014, 05:40:17 AM
The Norwegian krone set another record last year in terms of sheer strength, compared to other foreign currencies. That makes Norway even more expensive than normal for visitors from abroad and poses problems for Norwegian exporters, while Norwegian residents themselves can save thousands on overseas shopping trips and holidays.


Norwegian Krone. Not kidding.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/02/07/norways-currency-stronger-than-ever/


Thanks for the link.
Is Norway 'uber-socialist' like Sweden?

Yes, they are bat shit insane, but they have lots of natural resources.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Lethn on March 11, 2014, 09:56:44 AM
No paper money will survive the current hyperinflation, you might have government surviving it if they have a budget surplus and they manage things well but otherwise things are going to go to hell for most people.

+1 for Norway, just about any government with natural resources at its disposal and a budget surplus will have a strong currency, but paper money itself is going to vanish, I think you could also add Russia to the list as well for that reason but fiat currencies in general are being propped up, as quite a few people have said on this forum, they've been propped up with guns.

China is still doing well and knows how to manage an economy but again, paper money is going to fail them, especially since they've bought up so many U.S bonds.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: BitOnyx on March 11, 2014, 10:06:45 AM
Euro as always, even if it fall, there is many banks that want it high and nice, much more then USD.

CHF is down for very long time now.

Krone is interesting. I never even took a look on it, but for sure it should stay stable.

Yuan is yuan, too heavily controlled by state. Even citizens of issuing state don't want to use it.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Nerazzura on March 11, 2014, 01:18:37 PM
is that GBP?
sounds very expensive to buy it


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: protokol on March 11, 2014, 02:05:57 PM
The Swiss franc is pretty strong, compared to most other currencies atm, as it's purchasing power is pretty stable against the other big currencies.
Someone I know works for a financial firm in Zurich, and he's very happy to be paid in CHF.

It is tied to the Euro now.  Central bank policy.  CHF strength is history.


Interesting, I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Predatorian on March 11, 2014, 02:29:59 PM
Euro atm is very strong.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: btctrada on March 11, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
$AUD!


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 11, 2014, 11:40:50 PM
$AUD!

RBA is one of the central banks which is conducting a coordinated devaluation of their currencies.  RBA is even depreciating next to the USD, which is losing value faster than any time since the time when Nixon closed the gold window.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 11, 2014, 11:42:57 PM
The appearance of strength in a currency is meaningless when it is compared to other fiat currencies which are also being devalued aggressively.  Look at commodity prices valued in the currency in question if you want to know whether it is appreciating or depreciating.  If it buys less stuff now than before, then it is depreciating.  But remember to adjust for the commodity cycle, which is rather long.



Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: FalconFly on March 12, 2014, 05:18:07 AM
IMHO comparing FIAT currencies looking for a champion is like looking at suiciders in freefall off a bridge - and checking which ones are a few feet behind the others.
Technically, the trailers die later and may be a better bet compared to the others ahead - but their share the same fate.

The only thing that seems to differ is the point on the time/decay curve they're on.

CHF is a strong player in the death race, but infected with the same cancer. Still, looks better running than the others, even despite that fixed Euro peg concrete ball attached to its leg.
(since 80% of swiss revenue comes from the finance sector, the next cycle of financial instability just around the corner can quickly change all that, however)

IMHO only the next iteration of currencies (after the next reset that usually occurs roughly every ~70-80 years and which currently is overdue) might have some decades of relative stability. Depends on how the reset occurs, though (might not go peaceful, mass redistribution of wealth never really does). Will be quite a ride to say the least.

The Chinese are very actively preparing the Yuan/Renmimbi for the next cycle (AFAIK the only nation who openly does it) - but who knows if they are really capable to manage it as they plan to. They gobble up every ton of gold they can get their hands on and openly advised their population to do the same.
Some other nations at least attempt to repatriate their abroad gold holdings which were in complete hibernation for over 50 years, which is a clear sign of them preparing as well, just in a more covert way.
The US seems happy with frantically trying to keep foreign gold holdings or invading other nations to *cough* "take theirs into safer custody". Other than that they're just preparing by transforming domestic law enforment into a full-scale riot-control military, getting ten thousands of drones for 24/7 domestic surveillance, massively boosting their intelligence apparatus and hastily completing internment camps on US soil scheduled to be operated by the US army (which tells me they expect their transition to be a pure sh*tstorm).


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Sindelar1938 on March 12, 2014, 06:12:11 AM
Might just be the Euro for the next few years... ;)


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: TonyT on March 12, 2014, 06:17:44 AM
Yeah it's definitely not the USD

Actually the strongest fiat currency is indeed the US dollar, the de facto reserve currency of the world.  If it was not the strongest, it would buy a lot less than it does now.  This is well known to economists.

TonyT


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: GigaCoin on March 12, 2014, 11:47:38 AM
$AUD!

That's a myth, even when AUD was at its peak in the last 4 years or so the cost of living was skyrocketing at a hyper rate, inflation was rampant in Australia yet the Analysts and experts kept claiming how strong the AUD is, ignoring the fact purchasing power of AUD is very poor.

Just because a currency may appear strong against other currencies doesn't mean its a strong and stable one.

True measure of a stable currency imo is its purchasing power and v low inflation rate.

What good does it do for a person if his local currency goes up in value against other currencies but food and living prices go up every week. That scenario only benefits forex speculators


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: skilo on March 12, 2014, 01:54:28 PM
IMHO comparing FIAT currencies looking for a champion is like looking at suiciders in freefall off a bridge - and checking which ones are a few feet behind the others.
Technically, the trailers die later and may be a better bet compared to the others ahead - but their share the same fate.

The only thing that seems to differ is the point on the time/decay curve they're on.

CHF is a strong player in the death race, but infected with the same cancer. Still, looks better running than the others, even despite that fixed Euro peg concrete ball attached to its leg.
(since 80% of swiss revenue comes from the finance sector, the next cycle of financial instability just around the corner can quickly change all that, however)

IMHO only the next iteration of currencies (after the next reset that usually occurs roughly every ~70-80 years and which currently is overdue) might have some decades of relative stability. Depends on how the reset occurs, though (might not go peaceful, mass redistribution of wealth never really does). Will be quite a ride to say the least.

The Chinese are very actively preparing the Yuan/Renmimbi for the next cycle (AFAIK the only nation who openly does it) - but who knows if they are really capable to manage it as they plan to. They gobble up every ton of gold they can get their hands on and openly advised their population to do the same.
Some other nations at least attempt to repatriate their abroad gold holdings which were in complete hibernation for over 50 years, which is a clear sign of them preparing as well, just in a more covert way.
The US seems happy with frantically trying to keep foreign gold holdings or invading other nations to *cough* "take theirs into safer custody". Other than that they're just preparing by transforming domestic law enforment into a full-scale riot-control military, getting ten thousands of drones for 24/7 domestic surveillance, massively boosting their intelligence apparatus and hastily completing internment camps on US soil scheduled to be operated by the US army (which tells me they expect their transition to be a pure sh*tstorm).

But if the USD goes away then what will the government replace it with? Maybe another fiat currency backed by the gold reserves? Or maybe a fiat currency backed by a crypto algorythm like bitcoin?

Or maybe better yet we adopt the venus project mindset and switch to a resource based economy with no money at all.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Dalmar on March 12, 2014, 02:52:46 PM
There's not much of a difference between the euro and usd. They fluctuate in rather predictable patterns against each other (1.2 to 1.5 range for years now).


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: madsquirrel on March 12, 2014, 05:09:07 PM
I think that GBP is the strongest as well as USD!
Actually it's YE$, the three most powerful fiat in the world but not is seems like GBP is less volatile and have a real power


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 12, 2014, 05:44:02 PM
But if the USD goes away then what will the government replace it with?
You ask this on a Bitcoin forum?

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Maybe another fiat currency backed by the gold reserves?
If the USD fails, it is probably a failure for the global fiat project.  It seems likely to spell a practical end to sovereign fiat currency.  After the Weimar explosion, Marks were backed by gold, out of political necessity.  No one would use fiat again without exchangability. It seems very unlikely there would be a fractional gold currency after a fiat failure.  It also seems unlikely to be helpful to the US economy to issue a full-reserve paper currency, given the volume of offshore claims.  And as for hard currency, what gold?  The gold leased out through JPM?  The German gold we won't return?  The gold we sold to China?

A dollar hyperinflation will end in either a centralized or a decentralized global crypto currency system.  There is a decentralized one in place which works, albeit it needs work to scale up. 




Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: skilo on March 12, 2014, 10:01:25 PM
But if the USD goes away then what will the government replace it with?
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You ask this on a Bitcoin forum?

I don't see the government replacing fiat with Bitcoin so whats with that smart ass remark?  >:(



Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: FalconFly on March 13, 2014, 12:36:00 AM
But if the USD goes away then what will the government replace it with? Maybe another fiat currency backed by the gold reserves? Or maybe a fiat currency backed by a crypto algorythm like bitcoin?

Or maybe better yet we adopt the venus project mindset and switch to a resource based economy with no money at all.

I don't think the USD will go away... It'll simply hyperinflate at some point. All it takes is other nations leaving the agreed script & dump US debt on the market, the FED can only absorb so much within a timeframe; plus, the US dollar circle jerk would then be 100% complete and the farce obvious to anyone, leading to further deteriorating trust in it.
Before that point is reached, as I stated above, the US has detailled plans to "contain" the issue of unsatisfied citizens affected by it.
Against non-compiling nations, the US military or CIA always gave some "motivation" (think Iraq, which started selling oil for Euros instead of the US Dollar; or Lybia, which planned to launch an african union currency using a gold-backed Dinar. Where he can afford it, Uncle Sam really acts pissy in those cases and puts a quick stop to that.)

After all, I can hardly imagine the US accepting a Chinese yuan or international Renmimbi as domestic currency, although it (and others) will likely be used on the black markets.
Think Zimbabwe, Belarus or Venezuela, these are good and recent/current examples of how things can work out in the endgame.

But China is the only country getting away with bypassing the US Dollar (lost count, they got like 20+ nations which agreed trading using their local currencies in favor of the US Dollar, the chinese economic dominance, military and nuclear arsenal were the key factors that allowed them doing that).


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 13, 2014, 05:24:15 PM
But if the USD goes away then what will the government replace it with?
You ask this on a Bitcoin forum?

I don't see the government replacing fiat with Bitcoin so whats with that smart ass remark?  >:(

Perhaps I assume too much.  I don't see the government replacing fiat with Bitcoin either.  I see the market replacing fiat with Bitcoin.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: leopard2 on March 13, 2014, 11:00:21 PM
CHF

without pegging it to the EUR at 0.83 CHF/EUR (which led to a huge real estate bubble), it would be 2 CHF/EUR or more and certainly over 2 CHF/USD


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Carlton Banks on March 13, 2014, 11:48:04 PM
I don't think the USD will go away... It'll simply hyperinflate at some point. All it takes is other nations leaving the agreed script & dump US debt on the market, the FED can only absorb so much within a timeframe; plus, the US dollar circle jerk would then be 100% complete and the farce obvious to anyone, leading to further deteriorating trust in it.
Before that point is reached, as I stated above, the US has detailled plans to "contain" the issue of unsatisfied citizens affected by it.
Against non-compiling nations, the US military or CIA always gave some "motivation" (think Iraq, which started selling oil for Euros instead of the US Dollar; or Lybia, which planned to launch an african union currency using a gold-backed Dinar. Where he can afford it, Uncle Sam really acts pissy in those cases and puts a quick stop to that.)

One way or another, the US finds a place to export their inflation to. The people at the Federal Reserve and US Treasury must really cheer economic collapses, natural disasters and foreign wars (whether they're provoked by or involving the US or not). Because the IMF or World Bank will always turn up at the wreckage, with a loan offer that nobody can refuse. Banksters is about right.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: verdun2003 on March 14, 2014, 04:09:09 PM
If you look at the strongest currencies, they're the one from the oil rich middle eastern countries:
http://www.foxnews24x7.com/2013/04/10-most-expensive-currency-in-world.html



Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: skilo on March 14, 2014, 04:38:44 PM
If you look at the strongest currencies, they're the one from the oil rich middle eastern countries:
http://www.foxnews24x7.com/2013/04/10-most-expensive-currency-in-world.html



This is probably true but given the fact that technology is always improving soon gas powered cars will become a thing of the past and when that happens those oil rich countries are going to be poor as dirt with absolutely nothing of value to export.

Pretty much any way you slice it fiat paper money backed by nothing is not going to last forever.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: cysive on March 16, 2014, 07:26:27 AM
Yuan

PBOC is inflating it massively.  Declining even against USD now.

Any currency managed by a central bank tends to zero.  All the currencies are now managed by central banks.  They will all go to zero.  
If you want to save via currency markets, save by capitalizing a swap with positive carry.

Why would you just not buy gold (or something else precious) with it? If you exchange it for a currency you would get a taxable cap gain. Purchasing gold would not trigger a cap gain -- at least not a traceable one.



Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on March 16, 2014, 07:44:43 AM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.

Purchasing power after inflation has been decreasing for quite some time
Federal Reserve and Fractional Reserves are not very helpful either
http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/purchasing-power-of-the-us-dollar-1913-to-2013_517962b78ea3c_w1500.jpg


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Tjopper on March 16, 2014, 10:57:38 AM
EUR is currently the strongest (BIG) currency.

All the other Central banks are printing there currency like "mad cows" atm.
Central bank of Europe isnt joining in this ponzi scheme created by all other central Banks.

However Super Mario may eventually start printing too, he was trying to show his balls lately.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: lemier on March 16, 2014, 06:59:15 PM
USD as it is widely spread and I think there is no country that doesn't accept USD.
Also I think that UK pounds are less volatile so it's strong fiat currency


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Yunus on March 16, 2014, 07:03:16 PM
Hey,

This new book might be an interesting read: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21598651-new-book-examines-worlds-love-hate-relationship-dollar-once-and

Author makes the case that there is really no alternative to the US dollar just yet (of course he doesn't discuss virtual currencies  ;))

Yunus


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: FalconFly on March 16, 2014, 09:42:35 PM
EUR is currently the strongest (BIG) currency.

All the other Central banks are printing there currency like "mad cows" atm.
Central bank of Europe isnt joining in this ponzi scheme created by all other central Banks.

However Super Mario may eventually start printing too, he was trying to show his balls lately.

Well, the Euro runs an actual inflation (not the fake government stats) anywhere between 3% and 5%, well beyond their 2% target, alongside a 0.25% central bank interest rate.
So in a sense, it shares exactly the same fate like the USD and similar currencies.

As the ECB usually goes into offensive mode near ~1.35$/Euro and into overdrive printing at about 1.37$/Euro, they just debase enough to keep pace with all the other main suicidal FIAT currencies.

All it takes for the Euro to nosedive would be some of the bigger PIIGS run into inabilities to pay their debt, which is as certain as the amen in a church. So far, Super Mario's "extend & pretend" policy of empty words & promises worked more or less. Still, nothing but kicking the can down the road. And we're not even talking all the Euro-denominated unfunded liabilities...
As soon as some real stress hits the Euro, one nation will leave it, many will soon follow.

Seeing Germany at the "core of stability" in the Euro area (collateral lender and backstop of last resort), note that Deutsche Bank is levered like 1:65 already and is one of the most dangerous (failprone) banks on the planet. Our german insurers already ran into serious trouble due to ZIRP and are (as we speak) cutting back on their customer payouts for the very first time in many decades. Similar financial institutions are likely to follow, including pension funds.

Nothing is fixed in Europe, we're just a few years further back on the timeline as more troubled nations. But we're on exactly the same track. Most older Germans view the Euro as the political Monopoly paper it really is, plus they remember the Deutsche Mark (and miss it) too well. Most people of Europe never wanted the Euro, it was put in place by the bankers using their unelected talking heads in Brussels.

In short : it cannot survive.

PS.
The way I see it, most of the FIAT planet had its first encounter with the debt-black-hole in 2008. The only reason TPTB still exist and operate were their central banks going into overdrive on all engines to avoid crossing the event horizon.
However, this merely brought us into an elliptic orbit around that black hole and it won't let go. Right now (as we speak), after a period of seemingly calm flight, we're already headed right back into it, possibly making the next pass already this year. And with every iteration, the stress on the whole corrupt, debt-overloaded system will increase, until it simply breaks apart in a great, colorful show of cascading structural failures.
It's mathematically unavoidable if all the nations stay their course - being owned by their central banks, that's what they're programmed to do, keeping the sheeple calm right until impact.

Since years, those who were able to count 1+1 and had enough braincells and ability to prepare, were and are actively doing so.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 17, 2014, 07:13:09 AM
Of all the FX majors, I think NOK is strongest.  Short EUR against NOK.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Joshuar on March 17, 2014, 12:24:51 PM
The Swiss franc is pretty strong, compared to most other currencies atm, as it's purchasing power is pretty stable against the other big currencies.
Someone I know works for a financial firm in Zurich, and he's very happy to be paid in CHF.

It is tied to the Euro now.  Central bank policy.  CHF strength is history.


Interesting, I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for the info.

Neither was I, delightful info there.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on March 17, 2014, 08:12:12 PM
Thinking about it I will say the Chinese
They have a nice stockpile of gold missing gold and a lot of resource inputs that back up the currency
The Chinese are also in a position to tentatively bring a gold standard and become the worlds reserve currency of the US and has accumulated a few bitcoins  so they have a lot of potential.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: passionsurf on March 17, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
EURO is the most strongest currency i would and if you are asking about the worth in conversion then its kuwati riyal( correct me if iam wrong) which cost somewhat around 3.55usd per riyal.  :)

Definitely the Euro


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: passionsurf on March 17, 2014, 10:42:07 PM
Of all the FX majors, I think NOK is strongest.  Short EUR against NOK.

Except for the fact that the Eur/Nok has risen from 7.40 to 8.40 over the last year. That tells me the Euro is much stronger:

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=EURNOK%3DX+Interactive#symbol=;range=2y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=;


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Dr Bloggood on March 21, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
EUR is currently the strongest (BIG) currency.

All the other Central banks are printing there currency like "mad cows" atm.
Central bank of Europe isnt joining in this ponzi scheme created by all other central Banks.

However Super Mario may eventually start printing too, he was trying to show his balls lately.

Well, the Euro runs an actual inflation (not the fake government stats) anywhere between 3% and 5%, well beyond their 2% target, alongside a 0.25% central bank interest rate.
So in a sense, it shares exactly the same fate like the USD and similar currencies.

As the ECB usually goes into offensive mode near ~1.35$/Euro and into overdrive printing at about 1.37$/Euro, they just debase enough to keep pace with all the other main suicidal FIAT currencies.

All it takes for the Euro to nosedive would be some of the bigger PIIGS run into inabilities to pay their debt, which is as certain as the amen in a church. So far, Super Mario's "extend & pretend" policy of empty words & promises worked more or less. Still, nothing but kicking the can down the road. And we're not even talking all the Euro-denominated unfunded liabilities...
As soon as some real stress hits the Euro, one nation will leave it, many will soon follow.

Seeing Germany at the "core of stability" in the Euro area (collateral lender and backstop of last resort), note that Deutsche Bank is levered like 1:65 already and is one of the most dangerous (failprone) banks on the planet. Our german insurers already ran into serious trouble due to ZIRP and are (as we speak) cutting back on their customer payouts for the very first time in many decades. Similar financial institutions are likely to follow, including pension funds.

Nothing is fixed in Europe, we're just a few years further back on the timeline as more troubled nations. But we're on exactly the same track. Most older Germans view the Euro as the political Monopoly paper it really is, plus they remember the Deutsche Mark (and miss it) too well. Most people of Europe never wanted the Euro, it was put in place by the bankers using their unelected talking heads in Brussels.

In short : it cannot survive.

PS.
The way I see it, most of the FIAT planet had its first encounter with the debt-black-hole in 2008. The only reason TPTB still exist and operate were their central banks going into overdrive on all engines to avoid crossing the event horizon.
However, this merely brought us into an elliptic orbit around that black hole and it won't let go. Right now (as we speak), after a period of seemingly calm flight, we're already headed right back into it, possibly making the next pass already this year. And with every iteration, the stress on the whole corrupt, debt-overloaded system will increase, until it simply breaks apart in a great, colorful show of cascading structural failures.
It's mathematically unavoidable if all the nations stay their course - being owned by their central banks, that's what they're programmed to do, keeping the sheeple calm right until impact.

Since years, those who were able to count 1+1 and had enough braincells and ability to prepare, were and are actively doing so.

Very good post!

Yes, everybody who is in Europe and has their eyes open can see that we are on exactly the same part. But I'm happy we are not printing full-speed at the moment, one becomes modest over time...

How long do you think it will take to fall apart?

If the US or Chinese economy tanks, it will take the world economy with it, so we probably won't have to wait that long... it's all linked...

Can you tell me if Europe is even printing anything at the moment and if yes, how they do it? I'm not clear about that.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Dr.Zaius on March 21, 2014, 02:01:03 PM
Even with it's immense problems, the euro has outperformed the dollar dramatically.

Europe still has real industry and is the leading producer of high value goods. As an example Emilia Romagna in Italy out produces NYC by multiples despite having 1/2 the population.

It is impossible for the ECB to fight against a strengthening euro against USD, they would have to close down half of German industry. The eurozone as a whole has generally balanced trade. Imports ~ Exports

American dollar has caught a bid namely from the shale oil and gas.

There is no strong fiat currency, they generally fluctuate amongst themselves in a given range.

Paper fiat will gain value over the next few years, as bad debts continuing wrecking bank balance sheets. Hyperinflation as most on here are convinced of, is next to impossible in a credit driven monetary system.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: skivrmt on March 21, 2014, 07:05:17 PM
EURO is the most strongest currency i would and if you are asking about the worth in conversion then its kuwati riyal( correct me if iam wrong) which cost somewhat around 3.55usd per riyal.  :)

Definitely the Euro

Strong is too much of a vague word to describe currency.  The Swiss Franc if it wasn't peg would be one of the strongest in the world but far that is somewhat easily trades.  Norway and Kuwait also have very strong currencies but are thinly traded (relatively).  Yuan is pegged and manipulated too much.  Euro will fail at some point, too much difference in economies between southern and northern Europe.  The USD is the most widely used and is backed by the highest GDP that isn't pegged to anything.  So which is strongest?! :)


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 21, 2014, 08:30:11 PM
Of all the FX majors, I think NOK is strongest.  Short EUR against NOK.

Except for the fact that the Eur/Nok has risen from 7.40 to 8.40 over the last year. That tells me the Euro is much stronger:

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=EURNOK%3DX+Interactive#symbol=;range=2y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=;

That tells you it WAS stronger, not that it IS stronger.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: CurbsideProphet on March 21, 2014, 08:57:52 PM
EUR is currently the strongest (BIG) currency.

All the other Central banks are printing there currency like "mad cows" atm.
Central bank of Europe isnt joining in this ponzi scheme created by all other central Banks.

However Super Mario may eventually start printing too, he was trying to show his balls lately.


Hahaha the Euro?  You have got to be kidding me.  Europe isn't a ponzi scheme?  That's why they let in serial defaulters like Greece, Italy, etc.?  They're called PIIGS for a reason and countries like Germany have to constantly bail them out in order to keep the Euro from collapsing.  What is it 17+ sovereign nations with totally different laws under one currency?  Yeah there's some real strength there  ::)


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Kokomoka on March 21, 2014, 09:38:05 PM
The Kuwaiti Dinar (not Riyal) is the worlds highest valued fiat currency unit. However, it is pegged to the US dollar.

In fact, a large mcdonalds fish fillet meal is 1.45 KWD, (Kuwaiti Dinar)

Source: I live in Kuwait above a McDonalds


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: softron on March 22, 2014, 10:37:30 AM
The Euro


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: toxique on March 22, 2014, 12:10:10 PM
there is no obvious answer to this question because there is no one strongest fiat currency in the world


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Dr Bloggood on March 22, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
Hyperinflation as most on here are convinced of, is next to impossible in a credit driven monetary system.

Why do you think that?


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Tjopper on March 22, 2014, 03:16:03 PM
EUR is currently the strongest (BIG) currency.

All the other Central banks are printing there currency like "mad cows" atm.
Central bank of Europe isnt joining in this ponzi scheme created by all other central Banks.

However Super Mario may eventually start printing too, he was trying to show his balls lately.

Well, the Euro runs an actual inflation (not the fake government stats) anywhere between 3% and 5%, well beyond their 2% target, alongside a 0.25% central bank interest rate.
So in a sense, it shares exactly the same fate like the USD and similar currencies.

As the ECB usually goes into offensive mode near ~1.35$/Euro and into overdrive printing at about 1.37$/Euro, they just debase enough to keep pace with all the other main suicidal FIAT currencies.

All it takes for the Euro to nosedive would be some of the bigger PIIGS run into inabilities to pay their debt, which is as certain as the amen in a church. So far, Super Mario's "extend & pretend" policy of empty words & promises worked more or less. Still, nothing but kicking the can down the road. And we're not even talking all the Euro-denominated unfunded liabilities...
As soon as some real stress hits the Euro, one nation will leave it, many will soon follow.

Seeing Germany at the "core of stability" in the Euro area (collateral lender and backstop of last resort), note that Deutsche Bank is levered like 1:65 already and is one of the most dangerous (failprone) banks on the planet. Our german insurers already ran into serious trouble due to ZIRP and are (as we speak) cutting back on their customer payouts for the very first time in many decades. Similar financial institutions are likely to follow, including pension funds.

Nothing is fixed in Europe, we're just a few years further back on the timeline as more troubled nations. But we're on exactly the same track. Most older Germans view the Euro as the political Monopoly paper it really is, plus they remember the Deutsche Mark (and miss it) too well. Most people of Europe never wanted the Euro, it was put in place by the bankers using their unelected talking heads in Brussels.

In short : it cannot survive.

PS.
The way I see it, most of the FIAT planet had its first encounter with the debt-black-hole in 2008. The only reason TPTB still exist and operate were their central banks going into overdrive on all engines to avoid crossing the event horizon.
However, this merely brought us into an elliptic orbit around that black hole and it won't let go. Right now (as we speak), after a period of seemingly calm flight, we're already headed right back into it, possibly making the next pass already this year. And with every iteration, the stress on the whole corrupt, debt-overloaded system will increase, until it simply breaks apart in a great, colorful show of cascading structural failures.
It's mathematically unavoidable if all the nations stay their course - being owned by their central banks, that's what they're programmed to do, keeping the sheeple calm right until impact.

Since years, those who were able to count 1+1 and had enough braincells and ability to prepare, were and are actively doing so.

I totally agree with you, and I want to thank you for explaining my point clearer. Maybe I should have said that in my opinion the EUR is the strongest of the WEAK currencies.
at the end it's all about who wins the current currency war, or who may the first to grow a brain.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Tjopper on March 22, 2014, 03:22:18 PM
EUR is currently the strongest (BIG) currency.

All the other Central banks are printing there currency like "mad cows" atm.
Central bank of Europe isnt joining in this ponzi scheme created by all other central Banks.

However Super Mario may eventually start printing too, he was trying to show his balls lately.


Hahaha the Euro?  You have got to be kidding me.  Europe isn't a ponzi scheme?  That's why they let in serial defaulters like Greece, Italy, etc.?  They're called PIIGS for a reason and countries like Germany have to constantly bail them out in order to keep the Euro from collapsing.  What is it 17+ sovereign nations with totally different laws under one currency?  Yeah there's some real strength there  ::)

Like the USA has the same laws in al states and China isn't devided with seperate rulings in different regions :(.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Sat0shiSlot on March 22, 2014, 03:37:20 PM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.

USD might still be the most overvalued currency there is so you could say it's the "strongest" even though it lost a lot over the recent years.

The fact that all big fiats are being mishandled hides the relative fall of them all. Say the EUR wouldn't have been mishandled to such an extreme, it would have been worth at least a couple of dollars now.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: 5thStreetResearch on March 22, 2014, 06:57:25 PM
Would have to say the Swiss Franc


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 22, 2014, 07:24:02 PM
Would have to say the Swiss Franc

Since it is pegged to the Euro, how can it be stronger than the Euro?


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Bonam on March 22, 2014, 07:25:38 PM
What is meant by strongest?

If you could hold only one fiat currency, which one would it be? To me that'd be USD, cause it is the most widely used and accepted.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: aminorex on March 22, 2014, 07:28:35 PM
What is meant by strongest?

If you could hold only one fiat currency, which one would it be? To me that'd be USD, cause it is the most widely used and accepted.

Almost all portfolios are over-exposed to USD, in the MPT sense.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: CurbsideProphet on March 23, 2014, 12:44:49 AM
EUR is currently the strongest (BIG) currency.

All the other Central banks are printing there currency like "mad cows" atm.
Central bank of Europe isnt joining in this ponzi scheme created by all other central Banks.

However Super Mario may eventually start printing too, he was trying to show his balls lately.


Hahaha the Euro?  You have got to be kidding me.  Europe isn't a ponzi scheme?  That's why they let in serial defaulters like Greece, Italy, etc.?  They're called PIIGS for a reason and countries like Germany have to constantly bail them out in order to keep the Euro from collapsing.  What is it 17+ sovereign nations with totally different laws under one currency?  Yeah there's some real strength there  ::)

Like the USA has the same laws in al states and China isn't devided with seperate rulings in different regions :(.


Uh yeah Federal laws apply to all states, stupid.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: waldox on March 24, 2014, 10:29:14 PM
yuan

its been suppressed by china to own the export market

once they lift the suppression, yuan will increase in value


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on March 27, 2014, 07:57:23 AM
yuan

its been suppressed by china to own the export market

once they lift the suppression, yuan will increase in value

If they ever make a gold standard which they may be able to build the financial system to do so then we will have an interesting time seeing if it becomes the next reserve currency post US dollar
Or one of a basket depending on what countries the others trade with


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: btcfundsorg on March 27, 2014, 08:32:53 AM
CHF and HKD of course


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: reckoner on March 28, 2014, 10:57:44 PM
yuan could be if china wanted to


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: H0USE on January 10, 2018, 08:02:31 AM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.
I think Kuwaiti dinar is the most valuable currency when we are talking about purchasing power and its stability. Moreover its stronger than USD and Euro which are most often considered as strongest currencies on global level.1 Kuwaiti dinar is equal to almost $3.5 so you can think its power.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: HinfinityQ on January 10, 2018, 08:21:19 AM
The US Dollars is still number one fiat in the world and EUR/USD is still the most tradable forex we have today,
Hopefully Bitcoin will grow more and we can achieve it if we fix some of the major hindrance we all experiencing up to this day
But nonetheless BTC/USD is the most tradable instrument we have today


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: ricardobs on January 11, 2018, 12:38:13 PM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.
I think Kuwaiti dinar is the most valuable currency when we are talking about purchasing power and its stability. Moreover its stronger than USD and Euro which are most often considered as strongest currencies on global level.1 Kuwaiti dinar is equal to almost $3.5 so you can think its power.
Having the highest value doesn’t make it the strongest currency in the world. I believe the strongest currency in the world is the US dollar, followed Pounds Sterling and Euro. And for those commenting that the Chinese Yuan can become the strongest if it wants to, you will all have to think twice.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: francojon on January 11, 2018, 01:02:09 PM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.

I would not necessarily say that the USD is the strongest currency, it frequently gets printed in excess for political reasons. I would say that the Euro is a more seriously managed fiat at this point.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: cryptoalfs76 on January 11, 2018, 01:31:13 PM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.

As far as i know the strongest and highest value of fiat currency in the world today is the pound money,because when we convert it to my own phil currency  its mostly cost 1pound to 68php.but the most popular currency that we mostly used is the us dollar,especially in cryptocurrency world.USD  is the famous fiat currency that we always used and found  in trading platform site when we doing a trading investment and not other currencies name we found especially in transacting bitcoin or altcoins only the USD name we always seen.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: worle1bm on January 11, 2018, 02:53:48 PM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.
Although people thought that USD and Euro are highest and strongest currencies but if we talk about purchasing power then kuwaiti dinar of kuwait is the strongest currency which is almost equal to $3.5 so you can imagine it's strength. But most used currency still is USD which makes it more popular and ahead of other currencies.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Finestream on January 11, 2018, 04:13:09 PM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.
Although people thought that USD and Euro are highest and strongest currencies but if we talk about purchasing power then kuwaiti dinar of kuwait is the strongest currency which is almost equal to $3.5 so you can imagine it's strength. But most used currency still is USD which makes it more popular and ahead of other currencies.
Yes its the kuwaiti dinar of kuwait that first comes in my mind only by then followed by euro and usd.But most people talk often about usd and its more importance compared to all fiat currencies.Maybe usd is the most popular fiat currency and that kuwaiti dinar is not so familiar with the mass even if he top the most purchasing power from all of the fiat currencies from different countries.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: DMiracle1 on January 11, 2018, 05:24:53 PM
By my research, it seems to me that Kuwaiti dinar is the highest valued currency in the world today. Why? First of all, it is a fixed rate currency, so it maintains its high value without being directly affected by market supply/demand. It is the central bank which has decided to peg the Dinar to the US dollar. Kuwait has nearly 10% of the world's oil reserves. Petroleum accounts for nearly half of GDP and it also accounts for 95% of export revenues and government income. Kuwait has a well-developed banking system (that can actually maintain this fixed rate).


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: hitrawal91 on January 11, 2018, 06:36:39 PM
It seems the USD buys less and less each day, I wonder how other currencies are going compaired to USD.

The strength of the FIAT currency all depends on the Capital assets which the particular government is holding against their having Liabilities. USD is having the almost 13 billion of DEBTS and still, you can say that USD is the strongest FIAT currency because of HIGH PERCENTAGE OF FOREIGN TRADE.

Yes you have heard it right it is the FOREIGN TRADE percentage which will tell the truth behind the countries Economy and the currency market whether who is ruling the market and who is having the high strength. USD is having almost 90% of foreign trade and the next comes EUR and the third spot goes to GBP, and then japanese YEN, swiss franc CHF, CAD(canadian dollar), AUD(Australian dollar) respectively. Hope it helps you.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: kaysersoze on January 11, 2018, 08:06:09 PM
US dollar will always be the most strongest fiar currency only because the US and the federal reserve have an incontrollable power at the moment, that is the reason of why almost all the governments and reserves are based on US dollar + their own gold.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: jeluhtajem on January 22, 2018, 03:47:21 PM
The current highest currency is the Kuwaiti currency, which is DINAR
which is short with the name KWD
1KWD equivalent to 3.31 USD


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: sizzle729 on January 22, 2018, 04:29:53 PM
The strongest fiat currency in the world today will be Kuwaiti Dinar if  we will base it in foreign exchange,  since  1 KWD = $3.33 as of  now
But, if we base it in acceptance, the strongest and popular is the USD, since it is accepted for most international transactions throughout the world.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: Maheshkumar_Hrangkhawl on January 22, 2018, 04:43:55 PM
I would say that the United States Dollar is the strongest fiat currency, without any doubt. It is considered as the world reserve currency, and most of the international trade is conducted using this particular currency.


Title: Re: What is the strongest fiat currency in the world today?
Post by: gabmen on January 22, 2018, 05:14:49 PM
The current highest currency is the Kuwaiti currency, which is DINAR
which is short with the name KWD
1KWD equivalent to 3.31 USD


Dude you'rr talking about the value, the strongest still is the dollar and would probably remain so for a long time. Currencies base their in usd and a usd crash would most likely cause pandemonium on not only the us but the global market. And i think the dinar that has the higest value is the bahrain dinar not the kuwaiti