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 I just discovered that I am a new DT2 member. As one can tell from viewing my trust page, I'm not very experienced in giving out trust comments. Any pointers from experienced DT members would be helpful. With the recent changes to how default trust members are selected, many more may find themselves in my position, and could use the tips.

   For my first question, is it cool to give positive trust for transactions that I am not personally involved in? I don't want to come off as being a strictly negative Nancy. Quite frankly, I haven't engaged in any P2P on this forum since I am not a very trusting person.





Edit: In case anyone needs clarification on my self moderation of this thread. Here are the general rules.
1) If you wish to discuss the merits of the new way DT1 members are selected, please use one of the several threads already opened in meta.
2) If you wish to appeal any feedback that I may have given to your own account, it's probably best to open a new thread. We may discuss it here since getting constructive criticism is part of the learning process; however, if I take your critique and basically tell you to go fly a kite, it may be best for you to "take it outside."
3) If you wish to discuss my worthiness of being on dt2 or anyone's worthiness of being a default trust member, please open your own thread.
4) If you want to ask your own questions on how to give good trust feedback, please go right ahead. This doesn't have to be all about me. Unsolicited advise is also welcome. I certainly can't be expected to come up with all the good questions and answers.

Why would you give a feedback to a user who you didn't have a transaction with?

Unless and until the person scammed, or did questionable things that might warrant a negative, you don't really have to give feedback to any said user.

Congratulations on making on DT2, nae the Cult of Laura. Fwiw, you don't need to have any P2P interactions on this forum to give out trust, so long as you have the right mindset and be a nice bitch to Laura and follow her orders, you'll do just fine.

How does that transaction make you trust the person? Perhaps if you had an example it would be easier to advise.

Generally speaking though - there is no need for affirmative action here. There is no positive (or negative) quota so whatever you feel needs to be conveyed to the community as (un)trustworthy - that's what you do. If that makes you a negative Nancy then it's more a reflection of the shitty state of this forum than your personal character.

Yes, in my opinion.
You can give positive feedback to someone without any need for their to be any related trade at all..
Look at The Pharmacist's positive feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487418) from DT.. Whole bunch of them with no trades..

I also think that just because you are on DT does not mean that you have to tag every scam you see, or any. Don't feel pressured to leave any feedback that you don't want to..

What I had understand about DT2 member is,the persons who are trusted by the DT1 members based on your trust ratings given earlier.SO if you are on DT2 means you already giving valid feedback to the other people,so just keep what you are doing no need for any new effort.

Just my 2 cents. :)

I was thinking that it would be nice to give positive feedback for people who pay back their loans. However, I read the sticky about the confidence game, so I'll just leave it alone.


I hope that membership in this cult does not bring about the expectation of being invited over for dinner. A cat just can't be trusted around my two guinea pigs. I don't want any misunderstanding that coy is on the menu.



OK, I'll just do what I think is right. I'm grateful for the opportunity to help out the community the best way that I can.  :)


Thanks for pointing this out. I may not go out and start writing glowing reviews to my favorite bticointalk users at this time. However, if the mood strikes me, I may in the future.

Good job. It's nice to see the trust network expand. You already seem to be doing fine by taking it seriously and welcoming feedback.


The only advice I'd say is not all feedback needs to be positive or negative. You can leave neutral, it still shows up under trusted feedback just doesn't do anything to the trust score. It a good way to get your point across about the user, that you don't feel necessarily warrant a green or red trust score.

Yes, I already left neutral trust on the alleged bought/stolen account mentioned in this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096906.msg49220607#msg49220607 I do believe that people should be given a heads up, but the person launching the complaint doesn't exactly have a pristine reputation and the supporting evidence was less than lackluster.

Congrats.... and welcome on DT network.
First I want say you have to more careful about your positive feedback rather than negative feedback. Positive feedback could misuse. I don't see any poin, why you should bother to leave feedback if you are not involved with any transaction or you are not on risk. You can leave your positive feedback who is really touted to you. For example, if you want to leave positive feedback to theymos then there no need made any transaction. Because you trust him personally. Its different case. Same like you can trust LoyceV or suchmoon for any reason. Its fine to leave them positive feedback. But just repaid for loan and you are not involved with it should not leave positive feedback. But if you are lender and if really you think borrower is trusted then you can leave positive feedback. Like you can see my feedback, Darkstar was on risk of 0.03BTC with me due to drop collateral price. But I returned his loan as well. Hope you understand about it. (It's all my opinion only, may be other DT will not agree with it).

Regarding negative feedback you can follow old DT members who are handling scam/abuse. No one forcing you leave negative or positive feedback. I was leaving feedback even I wasn't on DT.

In my opinion you have to investigate and use reference for negative feedback. Just don't tag if someone made scam post.

Doesn't matter who are laughing, I have read that thread and replied as well and that's why I follow The Pharmacist quote.

It hurts when you are the only one don't get any response from thread creator. :'(

In some cases, it's appropriate to leave positive trust without a transaction, just like there are cases in which a transaction doesn't justify positive trust.
I actually did this recently, see my Sent feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=459836):
I had been planning this feedback for a few months, since I first saw his games. This gave me time to reconsider (which I didn't), so after observing him pay the prize twice, I left positive feedback.

However: I think leaving positive trust to "balance" your "negative Nancy" is not the right reason. Considering the number of accounts on this forum, it's very easy to find more scammers than trusted users.

You've already left Reference links with your trusts, I can only encourage you to keep doing that. It's a bit more work, and gives your feedback more meaning.

Just a thought: I now use my alt account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1903546) for transactions that don't justify DT-feedback.
You may be interested in read LoyceV's reputation thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4826180.0) for more discussion on the subject.

     The reason that I didn't respond to your original post is that your theory on why I have been added to some people's trusts lists is likely not true. If you click on my trust, you will discover that my trust feedbacks are quite limited at this point and even more limited a few days ago. (Like I think that I had two trust feedbacks.) My selection likely had more to do with my regular post history and possibly my conduct as a merit source. Whatever the reasons, I am greatful for the opportunity to help bitcointalk become an even better platform with my small contributions.
     Furthermore, the purpose of this thread is not to discuss my worthiness as a new DT2 member. I'm just wanting to get some advise from the veterans. Also, since there are now 50 DT1 members, I suspect there are now many new DT2 trust members that can benefit from asking questions and getting advise as well.

I don't know how it works out before but I have seen Blazed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=134378) hand out positive trust not because they have done a transaction between each other but solely because of their reputation as a scam buster. They have received trust not based on their transaction but I think its the same thing to members having a good record for positive and successful transactions.
 
mexxer-2's positive feedback from Blazed

hilariousandco's positive feedback from Blazed

So I guessed back then its safe to hand out positive trust to people who have been known doing good work to the community or at least known in the community on his successful deals even without you dealing with him directly. Its surely a way to hand out your appreciation on what he is doing in the forum.

I have left 1,845 negative trust ratings for profiles I am not personally involved with.

You don't need to be scammed to recognize a scammer.

OK, this is probably a dumb question. I currently have 2 DT1 members who have trusted me. How many other DT1 would need to distrust me in order to be kicked out of DT2, completely? I think the answer is 3, but I'm uncertain. I also realize that I'm excluded if both of the DT1 members are excluded by more peers than included. Correct? (Naturally, I'm out if both of the DT1 members remove me from the list.)

3, assuming that no other members include you.

Correct.

Although I have suggested above before final implementation of DT1 list, I will bother again to Since I am on DT1 list and you are on my list also. To be honest my vote was for you also, and I was expecting you will become DT1, that was the reason I have added you on my list. Personally I believe that you are fair enough regarding judgement since you are one of merit source. And you know the current situation of forum. You can use your experience where you have to tag and where you have to leave positive feedback. In case you are much confuse on any case then you are free to open thread on Reputation to asked opinions of other DT members. Like LoyceV did sometimes. Feel free to PM me if you need any help, I will try my best as much as possible.  

Don't worry, I believe you will not abuse DT power. And who know what will change on next month. May be your both DT1 will remove from DT1 list  ;D . Hope I will see you on DT1 by the next month.

I recently ended up sending 2 neg and 1 neutral trust comment for this person.
Andrey123 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=902395)

Am I being a little over the top? Please advise.

No, but you could compile it into 1 or 2 ratings in total. There's no need to bloat it like that when the actions occured in a very short time span.

I would suggest not handing out positive feedbacks very liberally when you're on DT2.  That's something I learned, because by doing so you're going to be turning that member's trust green and you don't want to do that unless you're sure that person isn't going to use the trust to scam someone or otherwise misuse it.  That's something all of us know happens here, especially with all the account sales going on.

Other than that, just try to use good judgement when leaving any feedback, and be prepared for a barrage of PMs when you tag anyone.  Try to be thick-skinned if you aren't already, and don't misuse your position.  Those are the best words of advice I can think of for you or any of the new DT members.  

These are some crazy-ass changes, but I think they'll work out eventually.

I would just shrug shit like that off, because it's going to happen.  Also, leave reference links to your feedbacks as much as you can--without a valid reference link (or explanation in the feedback itself), the feedback is kind of iffy.

May be you can check my trust feedback and leave them the same trust if you are convinced with the references.

In that case or similar other case, I don't think you should left 3 feedback for each reason on the same date. You can combined all and just write on single comment. No need to send 3 feedback on same date. If the user attempt to scam again after few day or tomorrow then you can leave again. And as
The Pharmacist said try to use reference link especially once you leave negative.

Hey everybody. If I have a new "fan" sending me PMs, will I be able to ignore them by adding their name on my ignore list?

Never mind, I figured it out.  :)

For anyone else that wants to know, just select profile; then select personal message option, then just add your new "friend" to the ignore list.

it is very warming to see threads regarding people asking for feedback and guidelines on DT - much more progressive than the old draconian system and "what I say goes" attitude

     I'm a little curious about something. I have not engaged in any transactions using this forum. Therefore, I don't have any positive trust feedback that is trusted and wouldn't expect to have any. However, this zero trust appears to put my effectiveness at a disadvantage. If I find a member, who happens to be on DT1 or DT2, definitely doing something questionable and give them negative feedback, chances are pretty good that I will get retaliatory feedback. My trust score will then be red, and my reputation will be marred. I gather that I should just stand up and do what is right in that case and hope others agree and banish the person from the DT list next month. Correct?

It does not put you at a disadvantage when giving out negative ratings, no.

Correct. However, the chances that you will act alone against a DT member that does deserve negative feedback are very slim now. Usually you'd open a thread (if none exists) first to get inform others and get input first.

Thank you for the guidance. Without mentioning names at this point, there is one particular member that I have in mind. I guess that I better revisit my trust list and do the needed adjustment, since it's clear that if this member is coming to my mind, they have no business being on my list.

Since you're admittedly not trading then your score isn't going to matter much anyway. Abusive feedback would likely get countered and yes, banishment for the abuser is also a possibility.

Don't hold back because of someone's DT status. There is a bit of a quandary though if that person is your "sponsor" but in this particular case I'm not planning to do anything shady to put you in that situation ;)

Fortunately, I have two sponsors.  ;) However, the last time that I had a major disagreement with you was back in 2015, and you ended up helping me change my mind. (ie Bitstone.)

FML this DT1 expansion is eroding my control over my minions, how am I supposed to get to the hollowed-out volcano status?

Actually it's a good point. You're not really safe in DT2 unless you're included by 2-3 DT1 members and not just because you'd want to get into a fight with one of them but also because one of them could get kicked out by Russian rebels or smth.

Always glad to be of assistance.

Be honest for once suchmoony. Given the ever growing size of the Cult of Lauda, you are not really safe unless you have 10-15 inclusions. :D

I don't know why you are to much worried about tag some one if there is really something wrong. If there is nothing scam or abuse related then you should not leave feedback just for that you don't like them. If you don't like see someone on DT then reply on meta post and explain why you don't like. Probably he will be excluded by DT1 members. If you found something wrong about DT1 or DT2 then it would be better to open a thread on reputation so other DT will check the case.


On the other hand positive feedback is not required to fight with scammer. Even when I was not on DT I was fight with scammer and DT as well. If you fight legal way then you don't need to worry. Although you get tag, there will be counter tag by other DT. So don't worry during fight with obvious scammer.

To be honest most of old DT1 don't like inclusion new members. You can check trust list. Although I am included by 6 DT1 but there is only 1 is old. It's true I don't know much of them and they also don't know me. I have spent most of time on reputation and scam accusation. So usually most of conversation with suchmoon, Marlboroza,vod, LoyceV and The Pharmacist. Except this 5 I don't know much other since you was remove and Lutpin is inactive. So basically who don't know me they will never add. I am not expecting I will be on DT next month Lol..

     I was under the impression that suchmoon was one of the main disciples of the Cult of Lauda. I guess that I have much more to learn.

Most of them weren't exactly active and still have some very odd/inactive people on their lists.

Oh, but he is. He's just a bit confused sometimes.  :P