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Title: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: randallflagg on January 17, 2019, 11:08:12 PM
I found this article quite thought provoking: https://medium.com/cryptolinks/cryptocurrency-market-where-are-all-the-women-7a1c2e62c0df

I had never put much thought into it before, but Blockchain is a very male dominated industry. I don't see that as a problem per se, but I wouldn't be surprised if women found entering the space intimidating/have a lot of barriers to entry.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: hatshepsut93 on January 17, 2019, 11:27:27 PM
I found this article quite thought provoking: https://medium.com/cryptolinks/cryptocurrency-market-where-are-all-the-women-7a1c2e62c0df

I had never put much thought into it before, but Blockchain is a very male dominated industry. I don't see that as a problem per se, but I wouldn't be surprised if women found entering the space intimidating/have a lot of barriers to entry.

Ah, yes, the classic argument that if women are underrepresented, it's because males are conspiring against them. Maybe there's also barely any female plumbers or garbage collectors because males don't want females to enter those industries?

Here's a good article that tries to explain why there's fewer women programmers than man programmers: https://quillette.com/2018/06/19/why-women-dont-code/

If you want a tl;dr, the article says that women have different interests than men, they don't choose careers in tech because they don't like it, not because they feel intimidated.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: BurgerCash on January 17, 2019, 11:31:12 PM
I found this article quite thought provoking: https://medium.com/cryptolinks/cryptocurrency-market-where-are-all-the-women-7a1c2e62c0df

I had never put much thought into it before, but Blockchain is a very male dominated industry. I don't see that as a problem per se, but I wouldn't be surprised if women found entering the space intimidating/have a lot of barriers to entry.
Crypto is a land of reckless gamblers and risk takers and unless you actually believe men and women are the same biologically, there's nothing surprising in seeing a land where entering requires a pinch of recklessness to be men-dominated


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: odolvlobo on January 18, 2019, 06:05:58 AM
I had never put much thought into it before, but Blockchain is a very male dominated industry. I don't see that as a problem per se, but I wouldn't be surprised if women found entering the space intimidating/have a lot of barriers to entry.

The blockchain industry is tiny. I don't think there is a good reason for any women to feel intimidated, nor do I think there are any real "barriers to entry". It wouldn't take many women at all to dominate the industry and if there are any barriers, there is no reason why they can't just go around them.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: Kakmakr on January 18, 2019, 06:12:25 AM
The Testosterone fuelled domain of Males in the Bitcoin world, will push women to the back. Men will bump chests and compare penis sizes, while women would silently do their thing in the background.

We saw this with the recent Bitcoin Cash fiasco where Roger Ver and CW were challenging each other for the Alpha male spot in the Bitcoin Cash fork. Women simply do not like that kind of thing and would prefer to avoid these kinds of scenarios.  :P

There are loads of women that avoid the limelight, but they are very successful investors and traders.  ;)


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: figmentofmyass on January 18, 2019, 06:34:50 AM
If you want a tl;dr, the article says that women have different interests than men, they don't choose careers in tech because they don't like it, not because they feel intimidated.

i think that's correct to an extent, but it's probably more complicated than that. for years, i've seen incessant complaints from women about the misogynist culture of silicon valley and the tech industry in general. i don't think it's fair to just write them off, especially as things like this (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/technology/women-entrepreneurs-speak-out-sexual-harassment.html) become so prevalent. with crypto being a small subset of the tech industry, it seems prudent to at least acknowledge the possibility that it's more complex than "boys and girls like different things".


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: target on January 18, 2019, 07:31:13 AM

There are developer teams that had some women on them. Though their job is completely not into blockchain but still we can consider them to be in the blockchain industry as they know how the technology works already. Some are in the marketing industry but working to promote the project. They wouldn't be working with a team which the project they know nothing at all. I haven't seen a project that is complete for women though like pregnancy related project or something like that.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: kelz1 on January 18, 2019, 07:34:18 AM
I wouldn't call crypto under represented by women, it is the entire IT industry where females are missing. On the other hand, you can say males are under represented im the beauty and fashion industry, but that is life


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: bitfocus on January 18, 2019, 11:40:55 AM
Notable Women of Crypto
 https://medium.com/coinbundle/notable-women-of-crypto-cee437464f92


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: kryptqnick on January 18, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
I found this article quite thought provoking: https://medium.com/cryptolinks/cryptocurrency-market-where-are-all-the-women-7a1c2e62c0df

I had never put much thought into it before, but Blockchain is a very male dominated industry. I don't see that as a problem per se, but I wouldn't be surprised if women found entering the space intimidating/have a lot of barriers to entry.
I read the article and I didn't think it was about difficulties for females, but rather about females being well-represented in financial industry and thus giving preference to Ripple. As for your point about the barriers for women to join the tech sphere, I'd say that while there indeed seems to be equal opportunity for men and women to receive required education, the main problem is gender stereotypes. Since childhood, we develop ideas on which professions are more  suitable for males or females. While being actually meaningless, these stereotypes that are actively supported by educational materials (not in well-developed countries, of course, but it's really true for Post-Soviet countries) and public opinion. Women are not choosing that track themselves, because they don't think it's what a women should do. If we fight these stereotypes and encourage everyone to pursue professions by personal interests and skills rather than sex, the problem will be solved pretty fast.
It is a bit offensive, though, that in communication people usually presuppose that they are talking to men. I am female, for example, but when I worked from the company's account on an ICO project as communications manager, people mainly addressed me as 'Sir'.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: Marbelli on January 18, 2019, 11:58:07 AM
just this activity is not for women's mentality and it seems to me that this explains a lot of things


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: stompix on January 18, 2019, 05:16:06 PM
I had never put much thought into it before, but Blockchain is a very male dominated industry. I don't see that as a problem per se, but I wouldn't be surprised if women found entering the space intimidating/have a lot of barriers to entry.

Yeah, so are a lot of other industries.
And yet, apart from all the swj snowflakes nobody has really a problem with it.
Apart maybe from the guys investing in yahoo.../sarcasm

This 50:50 is so damn stupid.
I never heard of a company trying to achieve a male ratio of 50% and obvious mathematics tell us that for every company where are more male workers there must be a company with more female.
Unless we're all misogynist and say that ...you know...

Women are not choosing that track themselves, because they don't think it's what a women should do. If we fight these stereotypes and encourage everyone to pursue professions by personal interests and skills rather than sex, the problem will be solved pretty fast.

Why is this considered a "problem"?
What major flaw in our civilization we will resolve with this?


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: CryptoToxicAvenger on January 18, 2019, 09:05:27 PM
I think there are also a lot of women in this technology. Of course the number of men prevails, but still a lot of women too. But on the other hand, as far as money is concerned, it is more of a male sphere. Now the priorities have changed a little and women also tend to build a career and earn money. And in such an area as cryptocurrencies there is no restriction on gender. And it very cool.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: kryptqnick on January 19, 2019, 10:34:50 AM
Women are not choosing that track themselves, because they don't think it's what a women should do. If we fight these stereotypes and encourage everyone to pursue professions by personal interests and skills rather than sex, the problem will be solved pretty fast.

Why is this considered a "problem"?
What major flaw in our civilization we will resolve with this?
Females are about 50% of humanity. They can also accomplish things, come up with new ideas and make a difference in the world. Once they are involved in such areas just as much as men, productivity might increase. And also, this is just what's fair. One could also ask in the 60s why it is a problem that black people are not allowed to receive good education and work on highly intellectual jobs. The major flaw we resolve is injustice, first of all. All of humans deserve to have a choice and to decide freely what they want to do with their life, rather than do what's expected from them.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: stompix on January 19, 2019, 02:49:53 PM

Females are about 50% of humanity. They can also accomplish things, come up with new ideas and make a difference in the world. Once they are involved in such areas just as much as men, productivity might increase. And also, this is just what's fair. One could also ask in the 60s why it is a problem that black people are not allowed to receive good education and work on highly intellectual jobs.

And who is preventing them?
Don't bring in the racial argument and stuff from half a century ago

Who is preventing women from becoming leaders of IT companies...like yahoo... ::) Is there a law? No!

What is worse is that we are on the point of requiring each company to hire at least 50% female but there is no such requirement for males. This is gender equality?

The major flaw we resolve is injustice, first of all.

What injustice?

All of humans deserve to have a choice and to decide freely what they want to do with their life, rather than do what's expected from them.

Yeah right, I want to be an astronaut. This doesn't mean NASA is forced to hire me.
Second, since I am free to do with my life whatever I want, why do you force me to hire a female and not a male?


Pretty funny how all this social justice that promotes freedom of choice is the first that starts drawing rules and forcing people to do things against their will.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: kryptqnick on January 19, 2019, 06:08:28 PM
Don't bring in the racial argument and stuff from half a century ago

Who is preventing women from becoming leaders of IT companies...like yahoo... ::) Is there a law? No!

What is worse is that we are on the point of requiring each company to hire at least 50% female but there is no such requirement for males. This is gender equality?

The major flaw we resolve is injustice, first of all.

What injustice?

All of humans deserve to have a choice and to decide freely what they want to do with their life, rather than do what's expected from them.

Yeah right, I want to be an astronaut. This doesn't mean NASA is forced to hire me.
Second, since I am free to do with my life whatever I want, why do you force me to hire a female and not a male?


Pretty funny how all this social justice that promotes freedom of choice is the first that starts drawing rules and forcing people to do things against their will.

I think that the racial argument is pretty relevant here. As for gender quotas - I know that it doesn't seem right and males can suffer from it, but that's called positive action and so far there is no better alternative, perhaps. I think that some less strict policies can be adopted, though. Like webinars on tech stuff for teenage girls. Look, you're probably talking about countries like the US where this gender equality thing is probably already misused by women for personal purposes. I, on the other hand, am fro Ukraine, and believe me that while there is no law that forbids women to enter some spheres, most of employers feel justified in not hiring women simply because some day the latter might take a maternity leave or because they think that women are not able to be good workers even if their qualifications say otherwise.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: geminiboy on January 19, 2019, 07:14:48 PM
The Testosterone fuelled domain of Males in the Bitcoin world, will push women to the back. Men will bump chests and compare penis sizes, while women would silently do their thing in the background.

We saw this with the recent Bitcoin Cash fiasco where Roger Ver and CW were challenging each other for the Alpha male spot in the Bitcoin Cash fork. Women simply do not like that kind of thing and would prefer to avoid these kinds of scenarios.  :P

There are loads of women that avoid the limelight, but they are very successful investors and traders.  ;)
behind the success of women in trading and investing are women smarter and more careful than men, men should learn from the way they play


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: pixie85 on January 19, 2019, 07:34:29 PM
Is this article shilling for ripple? I don't understand why among all the coins compared there's no Bitcoin but there are shitcoins like XRP and BCH and the title suggests that we are comparing the number of women in cryptocurrencies. Why would you ignore the most popular one and talk about a token that isn't even a cryptocurrency?

I don't find it strange that there's not a lot of women in crypto. There's also much less female mechanics, much less female soldiers, much less female hackers. And it doesn't mean they are worse at it because one of the best hackers in the world was a woman! They somehow aren't drawn to some aspects of life just like men aren't drawn as much to dancing and teaching young children. Go to any primary school and the vast majority of teachers will be female.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: gentlemand on January 19, 2019, 07:41:35 PM
If you want a tl;dr, the article says that women have different interests than men, they don't choose careers in tech because they don't like it, not because they feel intimidated.

i think that's correct to an extent, but it's probably more complicated than that. for years, i've seen incessant complaints from women about the misogynist culture of silicon valley and the tech industry in general. i don't think it's fair to just write them off, especially as things like this (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/technology/women-entrepreneurs-speak-out-sexual-harassment.html) become so prevalent. with crypto being a small subset of the tech industry, it seems prudent to at least acknowledge the possibility that it's more complex than "boys and girls like different things".

I think that's valid. It doesn't count for adoption though. No one cares who is buying, selling or using it and you never have to interact with anyone else while doing it.

Tech noodling and suicidal risk are much more prominent in the male psyche. That's how it's always been and always will be.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: Ultimist on January 19, 2019, 10:55:54 PM
I think it's not about bullying, it's that women are often interested in something else. Perhaps they may find this area difficult and therefore they are doing something else. Men are the predominant number, but women too much, I think.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: Horas1976 on January 20, 2019, 07:18:45 AM
Sometimes women are more observant but male logic is higher than women. Here we play to get high logic and advanced technology so that with extensive knowledge to bring women into crypto and coding.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: stompix on January 20, 2019, 01:32:46 PM
I think that the racial argument is pretty relevant here.

Since you're from Ukraine and I'm also from east Europe I want to say that we're probably the last ones who should talk about racial stuff since we have less than 0.0000.. god knows how many people from other races in our country. (don't bring in the Tatars)

As for gender quotas - I know that it doesn't seem right and males can suffer from it, but that's called positive action and so far there is no better alternative, perhaps.

So the better alternative is to let the other half suffer...really? really?

I think that some less strict policies can be adopted, though.
Like webinars on tech stuff for teenage girls.
I, on the other hand, am fro Ukraine, and believe me that while there is no law that forbids women to enter some spheres, most of employers feel justified in not hiring women simply because some day the latter might take a maternity leave or because they think that women are not able to be good workers even if their qualifications say otherwise.

That is exactly what I was talking about.
There is no discrimination happening, it's simply a matter of choice for the good of a company.

If you're going to force me in new business to

Hire 50/50 female male, hire only young people that never worked before, hire 10% people with disabilities and stuff like that when one two years have passed and I finally have a real workforce maybe half of the females might be on maternal leave...Will the state come and give a law that will specify that my company will never go bankrupt and will they pay me all the losses? Nope. I have to hire new people, train them, and then after two years again show them the door and welcome all the female employees back, time in which maybe I have to retrain them since in the IT world things change from month to month not year to year.

It's easy to look at it from outside, but when you run a business it's a different picture.




Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: maldini on January 20, 2019, 02:26:53 PM
Because women are more likely to be technology users, not technology developers. Just a small example, a smarthphone can be used by everyone, but when there is damage, the repairman is a man. This proves that the average woman is only a user


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: alrose on January 20, 2019, 07:10:28 PM
Unless people on cryptocurrency/blockchain space is sexist, the only barrier is themselves. If they feel intimidated, they could stay anonymous with DEX or P2P trading.

As for gender quotas - I know that it doesn't seem right and males can suffer from it, but that's called positive action and so far there is no better alternative, perhaps.

I think you meant good intention, not good action. The good action would be recruit someone based on their skill & experience, not their identity (gender, race, nationality, etc.)
I agree. Everything depends on the person’s skills and experience.No difference man is either woman.I think for the success of any company there is no difference what gender their employees will be, the main thing is to have success in achieving the goals of the company.


Title: Re: Snapshot of the Crypto Market: Where are all of the women?
Post by: gentlemand on January 20, 2019, 07:37:47 PM
Sometimes women are more observant but male logic is higher than women. Here we play to get high logic and advanced technology so that with extensive knowledge to bring women into crypto and coding.

If you were logical you would wait for crypto to iron out all the shit it's stirred up and then start using it. Getting in at a very early stage is the opposite of logical. You're choosing to follow intuition and hope. It might look logical in retrospect if it's a success but so does everything else.