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Title: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: TMAN on January 18, 2019, 06:28:39 AM
After the Russian debacle I have spent some time translating other local sections and I feel that many of them deserve more representation on DT-2, but this poses a problem as I can't do this myself.

What I am proposing here is people putting forwards members who local communities trust and respect,  so I can evaluate and enlist help of other DT-1 Members to check out the candidates..

A few things to take into account

No I am not adding just anyone
They must of been on the forum for 2 years plus
They must have a custom trust-list
They must of tagged 100+ accounts before today
They must be able to demonstrate knowledge of how the forum works
They must of gained 50 merits.


Currently this is an idea that may fall flat on its face, but I figure its worth a go to try to help the local sections as they do need more representation on DT and there has to be some worthy candidates in sections that have thousands and thousands of posts.

Self modded for obvious reasons, anyone with less than 100 activity is going to have posts removed as well.



Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: asche on January 18, 2019, 08:47:01 AM
They must of been on the forum for 2 years plus
Your post, your rules, but why?


They must of tagged 100+ accounts before today
They must of gained 50 merits. [/b]

*have/ ;)

I'd be happy to participate in your initiative if relevant people stand out, even if I wouldn't be worthy of DT2 myself depend on your first criteria :)


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: TMAN on January 18, 2019, 08:52:18 AM
They must of been on the forum for 2 years plus
Your post, your rules, but why?

arbitrary amount of time I felt was fair.

They must of tagged 100+ accounts before today
They must of gained 50 merits. [/b]

*have/ ;)

Yes - being corrected by a pedant who's English isn't even his 1st language ;)

I'd be happy to participate in your initiative if relevant people stand out, even if I wouldn't be worthy of DT2 myself depend on your first criteria :)

You can be the exception fella


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: asche on January 18, 2019, 08:58:59 AM
arbitrary amount of time I felt was fair.

Totally get that, I was just curious how you ended up with that duration.
Let me explain. On the french board most users aren't active after 2 years seniority. They usually left for the english section only, or left completely because the local sections are quite "small" when you speak only little english, or don't understand it at all.

Maybe you will come to reconsider depending on what will be posted in this thread.

Looking forward to see who will speak up :)


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: TMAN on January 18, 2019, 09:01:28 AM
~snip~

Fair points bud, changed the criteria to see who comes forward - lets get some candidates 1st and worry about more stringent criteria once some have come forwards


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: The Cryptovator on January 18, 2019, 10:44:45 AM
Since you are going to add totally new people's from local board then I will suggest add one more criteria,
Rank should be Sr. Member or above.
Below Sr. Member from local board isn't going to helpful. Whoever can't earned at least 250 merit even from local board then how he will help forum to keep clean. However it's just my opinion. Totally depend on you who will be on your trust list.


Although you will not find even on current criteria, because very less people's bother to leave feedback before new DT implementation.


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: asche on January 18, 2019, 10:52:49 AM
Since you are going to add totally new people's from local board then I will suggest add one more criteria,
Rank should be Sr. Member or above.
Below Sr. Member from local board isn't going to helpful. Whoever can't earned at least 250 merit even from local board then how he will help forum to keep clean. However it's just my opinion. Totally depend on you who will be on your trust list.


Although you will not find even on current criteria, because very less people's bother to leave feedback before new DT implementation.

The merit rule is already there and it is 50.i don't see how earning a lot of merits is relevant to issue feedbacks.
Merit is not relevant to sound judgment. At least not in such amount.

The point of new dt ist to be less elitist, not more.


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: TMAN on January 18, 2019, 11:56:26 AM
The point of new dt ist to be less elitist, not more.

im having to trust someone I don't know for the benefit of the forum - I cant leave it more open than this, if I get no applicants in a few days then I will have to shut this down, 50 merits in a year is only 1 a week, anyone with anything half decent to say should be able to acquire this surely.


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: asche on January 18, 2019, 12:14:30 PM
im having to trust someone I don't know for the benefit of the forum - I cant leave it more open than this, if I get no applicants in a few days then I will have to shut this down, 50 merits in a year is only 1 a week, anyone with anything half decent to say should be able to acquire this surely.

50 is 100% doable. I was commenting on coolcryptovator's message that was saying "at least Sr Member". That's 250 if you arrived in 2018.


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: roycilik on January 18, 2019, 06:46:50 PM
A few things to take into account

No I am not adding just anyone
They must of been on the forum for 2 years plus
They must have a custom trust-list
They must of tagged 100+ accounts before today
They must be able to demonstrate knowledge of how the forum works
They must of gained 50 merits.


Good idea, but I can't submit an application for my local board, because I don't have tagged 100+ :D
when I found a member who breaks the rules(i.e: hardcore spammer, copy paste/plagiarism, merit abuse) I only report by PM to DT Members(marlboroza (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736) *very fast responds) or local moderator, IMO: my trust feedback will not effect because I'm not a DT Member
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048166.msg46892627#msg46892627
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088702.msg49123340#msg49123340

I have a suggest : it's better to consider the candidates with local moderators too, I think the local mod know members who are communities trust and respect in their local board.

bpip.org (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=roycilik)
~~
because very less people's bother to leave feedback before new DT implementation.
Like me :D


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: asche on January 18, 2019, 06:50:27 PM
I only report by PM to DT Members

That kinda shows you don't get what the Trust Network is about. Getting someone tagged by DT is fine and all, but not everyone uses DT. IF you really spend some of your time looking for and tagging abusers, you could be a valuable addition to DT.

I wonder why you didn't tag users before reporting them...

Edit: Also theymos don't like people getting tagged for merit abuse FYI


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: roycilik on January 18, 2019, 07:20:11 PM
~~

That kinda shows you don't get what the Trust Network is about. Getting someone tagged by DT is fine and all, but not everyone uses DT.
That's my mistake :)
Thanks for suggestion

IF you really spend some of your time looking for and tagging abusers, you could be a valuable addition to DT.

I wonder why you didn't tag users before reporting them...
They (DT and Mod) are the most wiser than me, IMO
I always discuss with our local mod when I found abusers :)


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: TMAN on January 18, 2019, 07:33:10 PM
Hey Roy, thanks for the interest but as said above please spend some time in meta understanding the trust system, then be active with tags and please use references, if you could make the notes in English as well it would help me out, I’ll check back on how you are doing in a month buddy


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: Lauda on January 18, 2019, 07:37:16 PM
Good idea, but I can't submit an application for my local board, because I don't have tagged 100+ :D
when I found a member who breaks the rules(i.e: hardcore spammer, copy paste/plagiarism, merit abuse) I only report by PM to DT Members(marlboroza (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736) *very fast responds) or local moderator, IMO: my trust feedback will not effect because I'm not a DT Member
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048166.msg46892627#msg46892627
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088702.msg49123340#msg49123340
You need to start tagging yourself (regardless of your status) so others can assess your judgement. As it standsnow you're not DT material.


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: roycilik on January 18, 2019, 08:09:58 PM
Hey Roy, thanks for the interest but as said above please spend some time in meta understanding the trust system, then be active with tags and please use references, if you could make the notes in English as well it would help me out, I’ll check back on how you are doing in a month buddy
Thanks for your feedback ;)


You need to start tagging yourself (regardless of your status) so others can assess your judgement. As it standsnow you're not DT material.
Thanks...
This is my first-time interaction with "GrumpyKitty" :D
and yes I'm not DT material (https://masbadar.wordpress.com/2017/01/07/16-jenis-material-untuk-konstruksi-bangunan-yang-arsitek-harus-ketahui/) :v


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: Lauda on January 18, 2019, 08:12:11 PM
Thanks...
This is my first-time interaction with "GrumpyKitty" :D
Be cautious. My underground aliases are also Psycho Bitch and  Catbat.

and yes I'm not DT material (https://masbadar.wordpress.com/2017/01/07/16-jenis-material-untuk-konstruksi-bangunan-yang-arsitek-harus-ketahui/) :v
I am not clicking on this. :D


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: roycilik on January 18, 2019, 08:31:57 PM
Thanks...
This is my first-time interaction with "GrumpyKitty" :D
Be cautious. My underground aliases are also Psycho Bitch and  Catbat.
That's is not a big problem for me :v
my biggest problem is when I have 50 missed calls from my wife  ;D ;D ;D

material (https://masbadar.wordpress.com/2017/01/07/16-jenis-material-untuk-konstruksi-bangunan-yang-arsitek-harus-ketahui/) :v
I am not clicking on this. :D
You will never clicking on that, because I'm not on your trust list :D
maybe next time :v


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: Weezenhofnar on January 19, 2019, 08:16:35 AM
Op, on the Portuguese local thread you should check the user sabotag3x (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=846936).

Is extremely active and respected on the Portuguese language community. He contributes to the improvement of that local thread and of the forum in general.

He is also engaged on the fight against scammers and abusers of the forum.

take a look, may be he is what you are looking for.




Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: TMAN on January 19, 2019, 08:26:43 AM
Op, on the Portuguese local thread you should check the user sabotag3x (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=846936).

Is extremely active and respected on the Portuguese language community. He contributes to the improvement of that local thread and of the forum in general.

He is also engaged on the fight against scammers and abusers of the forum.

take a look, may be he is what you are looking for.




Ping him this thread, bring him in here to chat


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: asche on January 19, 2019, 08:48:10 AM
you should check the user sabotag3x (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=846936).

Only 9 sent feedbacks however.


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: TMAN on January 19, 2019, 08:53:04 AM
you should check the user sabotag3x (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=846936).

Only 9 sent feedbacks however.

That’s why I want him in here, well if he wants to


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: Slow death on January 19, 2019, 09:10:14 AM
you should check the user sabotag3x (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=846936).

Only 9 sent feedbacks however.

That’s why I want him in here, well if he wants to

I'm from mozambique and my main language is Portuguese, so I'll tell you what I think of the portuguese local section:

The guys from the local Portuguese section are hardly going to leave negative feedback to scammers because they have a very different culture. They think more about making money and are very moderate in making judgment against other people



Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: asche on January 19, 2019, 09:16:01 AM
in making judgment against other people

So portuguese will scam other people if they can make a buck this way?

Judgment =/= Trust.


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: Slow death on January 19, 2019, 09:32:37 AM
So portuguese will scam other people if they can make a buck this way?

they may know X project is scam, so they'll just ignore ( will not create an ANN thread in the Scam Accusations section and will not leave negative feedback ). look at how many scam ICOs are reported and how many guys in the local Portuguese section report Scam ICOs









Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: sabotag3x on January 19, 2019, 04:09:55 PM
Hello there,

First of all, I don't fit the criterias.. I tried to create my custom trust-list this week however isn't easy, you add one guy (DT0) and have to remove a lot of users (DT1-2)..

Our community is small, there's like 30 active users at its maximum, it's hard to see scammers, sometimes we find a translator doing a crap job however @Lauda always tagged them quickly..

And now @Adriano (local mod) is on DT2, so I think it's enough.



So portuguese will scam other people if they can make a buck this way?

they may know X project is scam, so they'll just ignore ( will not create an ANN thread in the Scam Accusations section and will not leave negative feedback ). look at how many scam ICOs are reported and how many guys in the local Portuguese section report Scam ICOs


It's hard to judge, there's different types of scam.. eg: you can create an ICO and send 1k ETH to the smart contract address and tell that you already raised 1k when you just sent 1k ETH to yourself.. Isnt it a scam? I don't know, maybe you can have a good product behind that shady behavior..

There's projects with a crap product, eg: we'll sell dust to aliens.. well, the employees will receive their salaries until the money runs out.. Is it a scam? I don't know, maybe you just have a bad product..

Some projects have a lot of red flags and they surprise you.. It's hard to judge.. You have to waste a lot of time and sometimes you can't tell if the project is legit or not..

As a translator, if the project is a scam then you'll be scammed too because you'll waste your time/energy for nothing..


I used to spend time checking ICOs..

Hello Lauda,

Can you please take a look on this ICO? looks like a scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2157244.0
"1500 ETH contributed so far": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2157244.msg23105730#msg23105730
However don't match with the contract address values: https://etherscan.io/address/0x4830EDC293142F8Af4eE5AE26109Adb72A3D2dA8


What's the deal with this ICO? Anyone got more info?

They raised over 1500 ETH already, but there is radio silence for almost 2 weeks now... nothing is happening on their Facebook, Twitter, Slack and the threads here....

I hope that things will work out positive, but i got a bad feeling about this one.


The ANN thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2157244.0)
The Bounty Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2158705.0)



more:
no updates, dev does not respond, the Spreadsheet is not updated :( what happened??

Well, no hard feelings....but i think they left the building....or they are really really busy... but there are 0 replies. 0 on slack, social media, nothing....

I am afraid of the worst...
Send to cryptodevil and/or open thread in Scam Accusations.



Hello Lauda, can you please review this ICO/devs? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1865997.300

First time(11/05 maybe) they raised an really small amount on 1st day and postponed the start date and now they raised 500 BTC in one day without escrow or any address to check.  ::)

Thank you!
Hello.

Tagged both accounts. Very shady behavior and it is a high risk situation.

Sincerely,
Lauda

Hello again; now they put some ETH transactions from 48-60 days ago and the ICO just started few days ago, looks like 100% scam.

Important! Public addresses of crowdsale:
The address received as is, we are ready to confirm ownership
https://etherscan.io/address/0x06057678d4a5d678306aa263c71bed1c4d45ae1c (https://etherscan.io/address/0x06057678d4a5d678306aa263c71bed1c4d45ae1c)

List  (updating) of individual transactions of participants:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/105MfwtLCxfT0IZ9NiGx267ljBUDymPCVALVrBscuqSM/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/105MfwtLCxfT0IZ9NiGx267ljBUDymPCVALVrBscuqSM/edit?usp=sharing)


Also, we will upload the list of other addresses to join the smart contract.

Thank you for your patience.

::) ::) ::) Posted. Will report to some other DT members. You should archive that post and the sheet (as they may alter it).




Yeah, sometimes we have to go beyond..

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/23/n1k1H.png

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/02/technology/virtual-currency-arrest-centra.html



Thanks for your words @Weezenhofnar


Title: Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list
Post by: Lauda on January 19, 2019, 10:05:36 PM
Hello there,
First of all, I don't fit the criterias.. I tried to create my custom trust-list this week however isn't easy, you add one guy (DT0) and have to remove a lot of users (DT1-2)..

Our community is small, there's like 30 active users at its maximum, it's hard to see scammers, sometimes we find a translator doing a crap job however @Lauda always tagged them quickly..
And now @Adriano (local mod) is on DT2, so I think it's enough.
-snip-
Well, if he is active enough and you people are satisfied with him as a community then that is sufficient[1]. We really should not be uncessarily expanding an already large DT list IMO.

[1] If/when this changes, then you should probably come back here. Thanks for the numerous reports; I've ran out of things to tag for ATM. :D