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Title: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Strangerinthenight on January 19, 2019, 01:10:24 AM
I apologize for my bad english

Why hide Satoshi, see how Buterin climbs out of the skin for the sake of hype dancing at all events, and this is when the cryptocurrency hype has already gone, and Satoshi was quietly initially when he was not needed by anyone with his technology, and all the more so because the goal is declared noble as it is very strange and atypical if dark goals are not pursued, let's think about what they can be:

1) Satoshi initially owns an incredibly huge amount of bitcoins so he has no reason to shine himself, although this option is most likely wrong because initially it was unlikely that he could know for sure that his bitcoin would unwind, so I guess the second option is likely.

2) Someone could have developed this technology for the initial purpose of a scam; therefore, it became widely known because if some programmer alone did everything without serious support, then this technology would still not be known to almost anyone, and here suddenly made and immediately went to spread, it is likely that very large campaigns or individuals were initially invested in the development with the aim of further profit.

3) Satoshi is a “man in uniform” and the technology was developed by a “Big Brother” to bring to light of God’s payments between criminal elements by first forcing them to believe in the ideas of “anonymity” and “decentralization”, and in fact, they need to see that where and when paid and no "bank secrecy" is now a hindrance. Possible backdoors of this technology are incomprehensible, it is quite possible that there are hidden software features to reset the wallet and this information is quite calmly spread almost instantly to all computers, no one picks up and the meaning of decentralization in this case is zero since criminal changes occur in the archives on all computers follower.

4) The goal may seem the most delusional, alarmist. Cryptocurrencies are developed and introduced again with the support of “Big Brother” with the aim of replacing the main world currency in discrediting it, namely the very hyperinflation of the dollar (I do not believe in it), that is, when the national currency falls people goes to Bitcoin since Bitcoin in the heads of ordinary people are untied from the state, and the country's economy is not bled from the hyperlittering dollar.

This is how I see the possible reasons why Satoshi very carefully preserves his anonymity for a large number of years, if he were a simple person with good intentions, then sooner or later his mood would change like all people and he would come to light, but this is why it didn’t happen in ten years, so I’m most inclined to think that Mr. Satoshi with his Bitcoin is a Big Brother creation. "

Let's think together why Satoshi so zealously guards his anonymity for a large number of years.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Inosend on January 19, 2019, 02:30:56 AM
It is simple and clear, our government do not associate nor support anything that benefits the masses so they'd definitely go after satoshi so I think that's the more reason for the anonymity


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: pooya87 on January 19, 2019, 02:36:49 AM
you shouldn't compare Satoshi with people such as Buterin because while Satoshi created bitcoin to change the world, they created their altcoins to make money (change their own life by getting rich). that is why they keep advertising their coin.

Let's think together why Satoshi so zealously guards his anonymity for a large number of years.

are YOU a zealot? or maybe a scammer? because that is my conclusion of your post, anybody who is not revealing his or her identity must have an evil intention and you didn't reveal your identity here either!

to answer your question about why Satoshi has never revealed his identity, it is because it wouldn't make a difference. why would you want to know it anyways? why do you care? bitcoin is a decentralized system that doesn't have an "owner" unlike all these centralized shitcoins. knowing who Satoshi is, can lead to that mentality of centralizing it to one person and looking up to him for every decision.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Chibongvdg on January 19, 2019, 02:48:50 AM
He had the option of staying anonymous and used it, and it turned out to be great. That's what we should do when it's possible and the opposite has no pros good enough to overweigh the cons.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Baofeng on January 19, 2019, 03:02:37 AM
This is just another conspiracy theory. We have heard similar stories before, but up to this day no one has come forward with their proofs that bitcoin is a creation of "Big Brother" or some higher authorities.

Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3, read his post and appreciate it instead of coming up with this non-sense conspiracy.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Strangerinthenight on January 19, 2019, 03:21:45 AM
I'm just trying to get to the truth. I never believe in the altruism of people when it comes to big money.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Strangerinthenight on January 19, 2019, 03:26:56 AM
are YOU a zealot? or maybe a scammer? because that is my conclusion of your post, anybody who is not revealing his or her identity must have an evil intention and you didn't reveal your identity here either!
If I created something good, then of course I would not be silent about it, but I would like to get a bit of fame.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: gentlemand on January 19, 2019, 07:32:03 PM
Staying anonymous and walking away is the second best thing he could possibly have done after creating it.

It doesn't matter if Big Brother created it. Big Brother has zero control over it. It's in the hands of its users.

And no one should give a shit what you think about it.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Mr.Ease on January 19, 2019, 07:40:23 PM
I'm from the camp that believes "Satoshi" is a pseudonym for the group that created Bitcoin.

I also believe that the "Satoshi" wallet is locked forever... Otherwise, something would have been moved over the years. Honestly, those funds could have been used to further the project, or marketing, or giveaways, or anything... But instead it's being used for nothing.

With that said, I think the initial group made the decision to launch Bitcoin under an anonymous name due to the possibility of legal backlash coming from a number of countries...

Think about it - would you want to be the face on the New currency looking to disrupt a 100trillion global market?
I'm sure there are plenty of bankers out there willing to crowdfund a hitman to "Take care" of this New technology.

But, being that it's anonymous. What is anybody going to do? Governments can do anything.

Instead, I would assume the initial group who created bitcoin were also the first users to mine it. Anyone who mined that first year would have thousands of Bitcoins...


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: pixie85 on January 19, 2019, 08:12:18 PM
There's a chance Satoshi could be dead. There were hurricanes and tsunamis in Asia in the year when he disappeared and many people disappeared and their bodies were never found. Even if he is alive and hiding it's good for him. He could become a target of extortions and blackmails if he suddenly came out and proved to be the founder.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Strangerinthenight on January 20, 2019, 02:05:24 AM
Bitcoin=Globalization

The “big brother” is committed to globalization, the single world currency bitcoin is a big step in this direction, "Big brother" always has access to the database, which stores all transactions that have ever occurred, and all the data of all ever-existing wallets, absolutely nothing to hide, think about it.

And just think about the fact that now the number of miners has started to decline very much and that moment when a government of a very powerful country will be able to do 50 percent of the computing power in its hands and then write everything is gone, this state will control absolutely all cryptocurrency , and you will not even know about it.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Attacker_has_a_lot_of_computing_power

and it is possible that it was originally supposed that when the last bitcoin miners were extracted the miners would disappear and it would be possible for the government to create a computer center that would provide 50 percent of the computing power, this is a simple and ingenious solution. The fact that there is a final date of production of the last Bitcoin initially assumes that all the miners will leave and some other structure will take their place, it is quite possible that this will be a single state structure.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: joniboini on January 20, 2019, 03:13:58 AM
And just think about the fact that now the number of miners has started to decline very much and that moment when a government of a very powerful country will be able to do 50 percent of the computing power in its hands and then write everything is gone, this state will control absolutely all cryptocurrency , and you will not even know about it.

The solution is simple: change of algorithm.

and it is possible that it was originally supposed that when the last bitcoin miners were extracted the miners would disappear and it would be possible for the government to create a computer center that would provide 50 percent of the computing power, this is a simple and ingenious solution. The fact that there is a final date of production of the last Bitcoin initially assumes that all the miners will leave and some other structure will take their place, it is quite possible that this will be a single state structure.

Miners won't disappear, they'll get transaction fees. I don't know how much you understand Bitcoin but at this moment, a single state structure already exists. It's called fiat.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: romero121 on January 20, 2019, 03:20:50 AM
As one of the user stated whether it is created by big brother, or a team of people and being anonymous doesn't disturb the community. Also being anonymous and control in the hands of the common people is the key factor for its succes. Apart from this, when there is money flow, it won't get terminated in the short or long term. A sustained growth will continue to take place. With bitcoin the growth is taking place in large scale with mass adoption of bitcoin realizing the true need of cryptocurrency as well the effective functioning of the blockchain technology which is a marvel to the world.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Strangerinthenight on January 20, 2019, 03:36:01 AM
I don't know how much you understand Bitcoin but at this moment, a single state structure already exists. It's called fiat.
But if hyperinflation of the dollar happens with a loss of confidence in it, then Bitcoin can replace the dollar (fiat) at the request of the government, as I wrote in the fourth paragraph

4) The goal may seem the most delusional, alarmist. Cryptocurrencies are developed and introduced again with the support of “Big Brother” with the aim of replacing the main world currency in discrediting it, namely the very hyperinflation of the dollar (I do not believe in it), that is, when the national currency falls people goes to Bitcoin since Bitcoin in the heads of ordinary people are untied from the state, and the country's economy is not bled from the hyperlittering dollar.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: cellard on January 20, 2019, 03:52:34 AM
You don't need to create a some big grand conspiracy around satoshi's anonymity.

Bitcoin in it's nature goes against the status quo at it's highest expression: money and control of such. It was rather obvious that TPTB would go against the creator. Look at all the previous attempts at stateless money = they all got shut down because they weren't decentralized networks. In sum, if satoshi was smart enough to create Bitcoin, he was smart enough to understand the fact that he must not reveal himself ever.

This doesn't invalidate TPTB theory tho, it could be that "satoshi" is some kind of very influential group that for some reason released Bitcoin, however it cannot be any state, since Bitcoin gives access to stateless money, the question is: who would be interested in trojan-horsing all existing states?


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Pursuer on January 20, 2019, 05:34:44 AM
I think you are trying too hard to come up with a theory mainly because you are overthinking it since you have a hard time believing that someone may exist in the world who isn't creating a "currency" to become famous or become rich. possibly you have been comparing bitcoin too much with altcoins (hence the comparison of Satoshi with Vitalik in your first statement). but you have to realize that Satoshi didn't have the same motivations as the nowadays' altcoin developers. he created bitcoin mainly to change the world. not for fame, and not for riches.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Kakmakr on January 20, 2019, 06:19:43 AM
This is no big secret. Gavin was working with Satoshi at the time and then Gavin visited a government agency and reported this to Satoshi and he freaked out, because it is illegal for someone to create their own private currency. Satoshi might even have thought that Gavin was an agent for the government, so he just quickly exited the scene, before he got caught.

Satoshi's technology was going against big corporations like Banks that are working with governments, so he got spooked.  ;)


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: arakosta on January 20, 2019, 06:43:19 AM
I think the fact that Satoshi remained anonymous throughout the process of creating Bitcoin and then vanishing shortly after has been one of the best things that happened to Bitcoin.
Cryptocurrency is all about decentralization, having a face associated with the coin, being on TV , holding talks and advertising Bitcoin like we saw being done with other coins, just makes it seem more like someone running a business and not the "People's coin" that lured so many of us in at the beginning.
It may be true that Satoshi stayed anonymous because of him being a target for some government agencies, or any other theories you guys have mentioned, but I am personally not very interested in why he did it, I am just glad he did.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Upgrade00 on January 20, 2019, 06:49:27 AM
I have the theory that because bitcoin was designed to be decentralized and unregulated, the presence of the creator(s) would mean they would exert a certain degree of sway over investors, and would have to choose to discuss the reality or what everyone wants to hear.
Satoshi distancing himself from the technology allows it to be fully in the control of the community.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Indrawan77 on January 20, 2019, 07:03:09 AM
Well I don't like the negativity of this thread, I think we should be grateful that Satoshi created this currency to make us free from the government grasp, bitcoin was created to eliminate third party so we can have faster and more convenient transaction, I don't see bitcoin as the scam product, it's the people that used bitcoin for criminal things, bitcoin is just a medium and never intended to be created to do bad things


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Strangerinthenight on January 20, 2019, 08:35:49 AM
Well I don't like the negativity of this thread, I think we should be grateful that Satoshi created this currency to make us free from the government grasp, bitcoin was created to eliminate third party so we can have faster and more convenient transaction, I don't see bitcoin as the scam product, it's the people that used bitcoin for criminal things, bitcoin is just a medium and never intended to be created to do bad things
People need to think and analyze everything, if they stop doing this, they will turn into brainless sheep.

And I do not believe that someone simple could create alone and, most importantly, successfully promote new money to the people. Intuition tells me that everything is not so simple.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Daniel91 on January 20, 2019, 11:29:48 AM
We can't answer such question, only Satoshi can.
We can just guess and really we had so many different topics on this forum with similar questions.
I know that people are very curious about him and his idea behind bitcoin but we all should accept that we will never know all facts and truth about Satoshi.
So, why we just can't accept it and move on with our lives?
For me is more important Bitcoin and vision behind it.
BItcoin belong to all of us and we are all part of the future.
So, enjoy the ride! :)



Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: NellaKharisma on January 20, 2019, 11:56:23 AM
This is not the type of question, everyone will answer with many possibilities. Even if Satoshi is present, it will not make an agreement to increase the block transaction greater than 1MB. Logically, Satoshi is the founder of bitcoin who deserves to be called the hero of data transparency.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: BestSSS on January 20, 2019, 02:36:15 PM
What do you think? I would also not want to have a huge amount of money in my accounts to be a public figure that everyone is watching.
The chance that you just kidnap, will learn the keys to your wallets increases many times!
A person lives a quiet life without thinking about anything and he likes it. So why tell the world about yourself I do not understand.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Reid on January 20, 2019, 03:14:17 PM
Does it really matter?!
Is it really that important to go way beyond those kind of research just so to say he aint really doing it for the good reason?

I dont think it is that much important anymore. Bitcoin is established by now and all we have to do is used it. Why meddle with the past when you could create a better future if merchants starts transacting using BTC. Right?



Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: codegnome on January 20, 2019, 03:32:08 PM
Staying anonymous and walking away is the second best thing he could possibly have done after creating it.

It doesn't matter if Big Brother created it. Big Brother has zero control over it. It's in the hands of its users.

And no one should give a shit what you think about it.

I would not be sure if only the community manages the whole situation around the Bitcoin project. At the moment, it seems that full power belongs to the community. However, what would happen if the BTC price grew to $100k (or even more) and at this point it would turn out that someone has access to Satoshi's wallets and starts selling everything? It would be a total catastrophe of all cryptocurrencies, total and irreversible destruction of the entire market.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Xardasim on January 20, 2019, 06:09:37 PM
Satoshi's existence will not change anything. Perhaps his disappearance has helped Bitcoin evolve as it is now. In my opinion he ran away from the pressure that could be imposed on him. Because what was created is seen as a future even after 10 years. It may be related to the amount of BTC in his account, but no one knew that the price would reach 20k.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: BurgerCash on January 20, 2019, 08:23:03 PM
Because even if you think that the belief that you'll become a government target after inventing a way to decrease their power over individuals is exaggerated - being popular quite frankly sucks.
Beyond high school, you prefer to be in incognito mode, not followed by annoying journalists, giving interviews where every single word of yours gets twisted, being followed on streets, photographed by strangers, receiving weird looks in supermarkets. So even if you think that the other reasons sound far-fetched, many people, especially introverts, would simply not enjoy being famous.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: CryptoToxicAvenger on January 20, 2019, 08:59:24 PM
I think he had his reasons for staying anonymous. But it is unlikely that he did it out of evil intentions. Many of us also prefer to remain anonymous and there is nothing wrong with that. I think Satoshi knew what he was doing.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: reynald70 on January 21, 2019, 06:39:36 AM
We won't know the real reason for Satoshi's anonymity anyway. Your assumptions have a place to be, too, but I think Satoshi had no malice.
Yes, I think Satoshi Nakamoto intends to hide his identity at any time, because he knows that Bitcoin will be of high value in the future, he might be a good person, so he doesn't want to be famous and he just wants to hide.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: imstillthebest on January 21, 2019, 07:05:27 AM
We won't know the real reason for Satoshi's anonymity anyway. Your assumptions have a place to be, too, but I think Satoshi had no malice.
Yes, I think Satoshi Nakamoto intends to hide his identity at any time, because he knows that Bitcoin will be of high value in the future, he might be a good person, so he doesn't want to be famous and he just wants to hide.

if he is really a good person then why hide ? he will only give confusion and questions to us if he will be living this way .  

cryptos were created to have an anonymous feature and this is also the reason on why the founder wont  expose himself to the public in order to give respect to his creations  .

Does it really matter?!
Is it really that important to go way beyond those kind of research
I dont think it is that much important anymore. Bitcoin is established by now

yes it does really matter because this isnt a simple currency  . cryptos are verry controversial and we need to dig its past in order to unravel its mysteries . bitcoin is establish now but it can do more better if satoshi is out and will explain it to the media . cryptos can gain an easy reputation that way .


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Artemis3 on January 21, 2019, 10:55:42 PM
He/she/they chose to be anonymous, and they left a gift that changed human history.
The simple answer is: Because he/she/they could, and decided to do so.
Whoever made it doesn't matter, the genie is out of the bottle, and the world changed, and will keep changing, because we are only witnessing the very beginning. Sooner than later, we are going to be paid and pay with bitcoin, without any exchanging. Then we would have advanced as civilization.

Fiat currencies will become a thing of the past, and perhaps some failed schools of economy that depend on perpetual inflation and debt...


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: BitcoinFX on January 23, 2019, 06:46:11 PM
You don't need to create a some big grand conspiracy around satoshi's anonymity.

Bitcoin in it's nature goes against the status quo at it's highest expression: money and control of such. It was rather obvious that TPTB would go against the creator. Look at all the previous attempts at stateless money = they all got shut down because they weren't decentralized networks. In sum, if satoshi was smart enough to create Bitcoin, he was smart enough to understand the fact that he must not reveal himself ever.

This doesn't invalidate TPTB theory tho, it could be that "satoshi" is some kind of very influential group that for some reason released Bitcoin, however it cannot be any state, since Bitcoin gives access to stateless money, the question is: who would be interested in trojan-horsing all existing states?

Satoshi knew the potential risks in regards to Bitcoin creation. The USA (as well as many other nation states) have 'rules' on the creation of currency in competition to FIAT (for example) ...

- http://www.communitycurrencieslaw.org/currency-laws/
(Note: not definitively digital cash, so I will try to post another example later, however, you will all get the gist.)

The best way I can explain this is that when Satoshi talked about E-cash he/she/they were not only referring to Digital Currency ...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_currency

... but to the fate of 'e-gold' / DGC companies, which tried to back themselves with physical Gold and/or centralized certification models.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_gold_currency

Bitcoin is basically a decentralized DGC P2P network, where the 'intrinsic' (gold-like) backing is via the cryptography, math, finite supply and the electrical cost of production (plus any equipment / overheads) i.e. a rarity and scarcity value proposition and at the same time being 'money'.

- https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/quotes/government/

..."Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own."... - Satoshi Nakamoto - 2008-11-07

A statement that remains true today.

...

Cryptonomicon
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptonomicon


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: shield132 on January 23, 2019, 07:03:38 PM
you shouldn't compare Satoshi with people such as Buterin because while Satoshi created bitcoin to change the world, they created their altcoins to make money (change their own life by getting rich). that is why they keep advertising their coin.

Let's think together why Satoshi so zealously guards his anonymity for a large number of years.

are YOU a zealot? or maybe a scammer? because that is my conclusion of your post, anybody who is not revealing his or her identity must have an evil intention and you didn't reveal your identity here either!

to answer your question about why Satoshi has never revealed his identity, it is because it wouldn't make a difference. why would you want to know it anyways? why do you care? bitcoin is a decentralized system that doesn't have an "owner" unlike all these centralized shitcoins. knowing who Satoshi is, can lead to that mentality of centralizing it to one person and looking up to him for every decision.
Maybe we don't have to compare but also at the same time if satoshi ownes a lot of bitcoin (980K claimed), so id that's true, then it absolutely means his target was profit too. Well, doesn't matter because this coin is great and revolutionary. The reason why he didn't reveal his identity (if satoshi is really a person and not team) is his future plan. Popularity and attention can't always bring you good things, sometimes it's better to stay in shadow. It's not so hard to understand even if you are just simple human.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Morchid on January 23, 2019, 07:11:44 PM
I think it's his/her right if Satoshi prefers to remain anonymous. Some people don't like the fame and even more when you have billions in assets. When someone flaunts wealth they have more chances of falling victim of extortion, kidnappings, blackmail and more.  I see nothing wrong with Satoshis anonymity.  8)


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: bitbunnny on January 23, 2019, 07:21:32 PM
I think that reason is rather simpt, probably he likes privacy and doesn't want to be exposed to publicity. Probably he also owes a significant wealth in Bitcoin and we are aware this might bring certain risk if disclosed to public. Maybe there are some other reasons behind the decision to stay anonimous, like personal security, protection from politics and certain interest gropus. Reasons could be numerous and we should respect that and not speculate so much about his identity, it's really not so important.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Silberman on January 23, 2019, 10:36:20 PM
It is simple and clear, our government do not associate nor support anything that benefits the masses so they'd definitely go after satoshi so I think that's the more reason for the anonymity
This is most likely the correct answer if he gave away his identity it could have been possible for governments to try to kill bitcoin when it was born but since they did not know who created bitcoin they could not go after him, it is clear he never had any intention of revealing his identity since he took all the protections he could to hide it forever.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: FedorIzmailov on January 23, 2019, 10:47:01 PM
except that a group of people did it and they don’t want them to know, I don’t see more than other thoughts and theories. probably it was like that


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: harrison partch on January 23, 2019, 11:01:24 PM
Satoshi and Bitcoin are a part -- not a "small part", but still only a part -- of a much larger project. Satoshi is only one paw of an unseen cat. A cat with many, many paws. This thread is relevant: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5084077.0

Satoshi Nakamoto is Murat Pak.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: CryptoKush on January 23, 2019, 11:35:19 PM
I think that Satoshi wanted to remain anonymous because he did not want anyone to influence Bitcoin by influencing him. I also think that Satoshi was much calmer to remain anonymous. Satoshi got fame even while remaining anonymous.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: auntyjmary on January 24, 2019, 12:46:09 AM
Well I can't really tell if the above assumptions are true or false but one thing I know for sure is that with the current happenings in the world, I think it is better to stay anonymous if you are doing something worthwhile, it seems people don't like good revolution.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: cellard on January 24, 2019, 03:07:17 AM
This is no big secret. Gavin was working with Satoshi at the time and then Gavin visited a government agency and reported this to Satoshi and he freaked out, because it is illegal for someone to create their own private currency. Satoshi might even have thought that Gavin was an agent for the government, so he just quickly exited the scene, before he got caught.

Satoshi's technology was going against big corporations like Banks that are working with governments, so he got spooked.  ;)

I remember an interview with Gavin Andresen on video, and he jokingly said "maybe my visit to CIA had something to do with satoshi disappearing" and smiled. I never liked this guy, he is the type of guy that hides something. Maybe im being judgemental but given what we know I would bet on him being at an agent of sorts. What a coincidence that he ended up with the keys after convincing satoshi that he was a good guy enough to access to them (by keys I mean, alarm keys or message keys, I forgot how that was called).

Then he went on supporting fork after fork, then he went out supporting Craig Wright... what can I do but to think that he is dodgy? Too many ticks on all those boxes.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: BitcoinFX on January 24, 2019, 04:36:57 PM
Satoshi and Bitcoin are a part -- not a "small part", but still only a part -- of a much larger project. Satoshi is only one paw of an unseen cat. A cat with many, many paws. This thread is relevant: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5084077.0

Satoshi Nakamoto is Murat Pak.

Deos the Archillect concur ?  :D

...

P.S. It's grim up north ...
- https://youtu.be/MfSCrCpyUJ8


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Ucy on January 25, 2019, 12:39:55 PM
It is surprising really. It's baffling how an inventor who should be proud of his work would hide his identity. unless he knew Bitcoin was going to be a success and provoke the authority. 
So called incredible amounts of Bitcoin owned by him worth little then. He deserves it. Saving takes a lot sacrifice and discipline.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Dmitriy87 on January 29, 2019, 01:37:58 PM
There are a lot of reasons, it is cooler than being a president, this man made a smart revolution in the economy. For personal safety, it is better to hide, ve those who support and those who are against.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Dondisimo on February 04, 2019, 10:05:34 PM
I think this is closely related to the issue of security. If the hidden identity of the bitcoin developer, then no one can affect him or cause any harm. Therefore, Satoshi (whoever he was) made a very correct decision, hiding his real identity.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: bigbosma on February 04, 2019, 10:12:57 PM
Of course, the exact reasons we can only guess. But I think the main reason is that the hidden identity of the bitcoin creator has a positive effect on the decentralization of the currency he invented. Otherwise, bitcoin could be tied to the country of which the creator is a citizen.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: kucritt on February 05, 2019, 01:33:13 AM
i dont know why Sathosi Nakamoto keep his name anonymouse, i dont know about it, why he keep it anonymoouse, but i think there are a conspiracy about bitcoin, and the foiunfre satoshi nakamoto, but we dont know about the reality


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: denzkilim on February 05, 2019, 02:04:19 AM
you shouldn't compare Satoshi with people such as Buterin because while Satoshi created bitcoin to change the world, they created their altcoins to make money (change their own life by getting rich). that is why they keep advertising their coin.
You are correct bro, there is a huge difference between a person that wanted to change the world with their creations and ideas to a person that wanted to gain fame and money with a copied technology(added some few innovations). I do really give huge respect to the guy who started this all "Satoshi Nakamoto" 8)

Let's think together why Satoshi so zealously guards his anonymity for a large number of years.

are YOU a zealot? or maybe a scammer? because that is my conclusion of your post, anybody who is not revealing his or her identity must have an evil intention and you didn't reveal your identity here either!

to answer your question about why Satoshi has never revealed his identity, it is because it wouldn't make a difference. why would you want to know it anyways? why do you care? bitcoin is a decentralized system that doesn't have an "owner" unlike all these centralized shitcoins. knowing who Satoshi is, can lead to that mentality of centralizing it to one person and looking up to him for every decision.
There is a reason why the legendary Satoshi Nakamoto never revealed his identity and he is the one who knows about it. I think Satoshi Nakamoto is really a humble and down to earth person that doesn't want to brag about his creation and ideas that changed the world and maybe he doesn't want any kind of fame like a lot of people likes. Not all anonymous people are evil people with hidden agendas and it can be compared it to those people who donate their money for a cause without revealing their identity. But today anonymity in the crypto space is being abused by evildoers especially on ICO's just like what happened in 2017 where a lot of anonymous ICO teams turn out to be purely scam projects.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: iMark on February 05, 2019, 05:25:17 AM
I think that Satoshi wanted to remain anonymous because he did not want anyone to influence Bitcoin by influencing him. I also think that Satoshi was much calmer to remain anonymous. Satoshi got fame even while remaining anonymous.
Yeah of course there will be a lot of drama if Satoshi is really exposed, what he does will make the bitcoin market affected.
I think it's good if he stays anonymous. it will keep the market stable and not to shake


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Velkro on February 05, 2019, 05:27:48 AM
Why hide Satoshi,
Only common sense thing to do really.
Buterin is single power of ETH that can do rollback. Single point of failure i dont want that. He could be sued because someone lost money with his "invention". I wouldnt want that as Satoshi.
Bitcoin is better because satoshi did that.

Good enough already i could write about it for weeks.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: bitcoinisbest on February 05, 2019, 05:30:43 AM
I think that Satoshi wanted to remain anonymous because he did not want anyone to influence Bitcoin by influencing him. I also think that Satoshi was much calmer to remain anonymous. Satoshi got fame even while remaining anonymous.

If Satoshi is a person then has to be humble person because who would not like to have the fame and recognize by the world for blockchain technology. Inspite of several years now Satoshi still remain anonymous proves that just do your work and let it remain secret and world get the benefits from it.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: bitcampaign on February 05, 2019, 10:03:42 AM
I think it is also for the sake of their security as satoshi, I also think maybe for them it would not be safe to claim to be satoshi, we all know there are many people who claim to be satoshi even many who claim to be prophets, well all of that back to security for satoshi


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Jeborn on February 05, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
I think being anonymous is satoshi best play card. Someone focused on changing the world but not his personal gain. Satoshi could have literally claimed plaudits for the success of blockchain technology as a whole but the change the technology brings is more important.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: bdbabiak77 on February 05, 2019, 10:52:07 PM
Big Brother, as you say, created MK Ultra, the Hippy Movement, and dosed the Beatles and the Grateful Dead in university experiments. Read The Electric Kool-Aid Test. They were trying to come up with a chemical attack on Russians. Be that as it may, Big Brother often creates Frankensteins that leave his control. Even if Big Brother created it, it would just be another one of those things they did accidentally that got out of their control. It wouldn't have any bearing on how you would relate to bitcoin. Even though Big Brother created the Hippy Movement of the 60s, that wouldn't mean some 20 year old in the sixties shouldn't go to Woodstock to see Jimmy Hendrix play. Same thing.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Denton on February 05, 2019, 11:27:36 PM
I think Satoshi thought it through from the beginning. Perhaps he was not sure that bitcoin could become so popular, but the idea to keep anonymity came to his mind for a reason, I believe. Moreover, we don't even know it is one person or group. And maybe even Satoshi is already dead. In fact, it is very interesting, but apparently we will never know the secret of who is Satoshi Nakamoto.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: shoreno on February 06, 2019, 02:12:38 AM
I think that Satoshi wanted to remain anonymous because he did not want anyone to influence Bitcoin by influencing him. I also think that Satoshi was much calmer to remain anonymous. Satoshi got fame even while remaining anonymous.

If Satoshi is a person then has to be humble person because who would not like to have the fame and recognize by the world for blockchain technology. Inspite of several years now Satoshi still remain anonymous proves that just do your work and let it remain secret and world get the benefits from it.


i guess he hid not becuase he wants to look humble but he hid's because he know that people will hunt him down because of his creations . he create a currency that aims to be independent but i believe that many have hated this especially government's and bank's  . 

many reports on the past claims that that they are the real satoshi nakamoto  . dont know if that true but if it is , i dont think that it can affect the current market conditions  .


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Crypto24hrs on February 06, 2019, 07:56:15 AM
I am very sure that had Satoshi made himself known by now His soul would have been resting in peace, either by government forces,criminals or out of jealousy, tanks for his sense of anonymity.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: arkawa040 on February 06, 2019, 02:49:03 PM
In any case, there are consequences, for example, he could not know for sure how people will react to his new invention, someone got rich, and someone, on the contrary, I think he did a very reasonable thing that hid his identity, for someone the decentralized world is destructive.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: pawanjain on February 06, 2019, 03:00:28 PM
You forgot to add another possibility for his anonymity and that is him being dead or murdered or whatever it is.
What if he turned sick and wanted to spend his last days in solitary or with his family ?
What if someone big and dangerous came to know about his creation and murdered him so that he could not proceed with his plan ?
May be there might be another reason for him being dead  :'(


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: BitBustah on February 06, 2019, 03:04:38 PM
The US government already sent the other guy to prison that tried to make his own gold backed currency.  If Satoshi was public from the start he would of certainly ended up in jail for trying to counter fiat money.  I'm just assuming he lives in the United States since that is what most people believe.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Silberman on February 06, 2019, 09:52:34 PM
Well I can't really tell if the above assumptions are true or false but one thing I know for sure is that with the current happenings in the world, I think it is better to stay anonymous if you are doing something worthwhile, it seems people don't like good revolution.
With his invention satoshi was going to affect the governments and the banks which are incredibly powerful so if was him I would have done the same, if they knew his identity it is likely he will be already in jail but thanks to all the precautions he took it seems we will never know his identity unless he reveals that by himself but I will not count on that.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: creeps on February 06, 2019, 10:14:25 PM
You forgot to add another possibility for his anonymity and that is him being dead or murdered or whatever it is.
What if he turned sick and wanted to spend his last days in solitary or with his family ?
What if someone big and dangerous came to know about his creation and murdered him so that he could not proceed with his plan ?
May be there might be another reason for him being dead  :'(
All are possible the reason why Satoshi is still unknown, maybe he owns a lot and he can’t afford to out in the public for the security purposes. If satoshi came out, for sure it can hype the market again and maybe bitcoin can gain more trust from the public since people already know Satoshi. I hope for the good health of Satoshi, i know he’s still alive.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Oceat on February 06, 2019, 10:22:55 PM
It is simple and clear, our government do not associate nor support anything that benefits the masses so they'd definitely go after satoshi so I think that's the more reason for the anonymity
And i was thinking this too since the government really don't like "smart ass kiddo" and they always take control of everything. If someone knows Satoshi then my best guess is that they were all a group of geniuses who worked together to make a decentralized digital currency a.k.a. Bitcoin. I just don't know the real reason why Satoshi left the forum before Bitcoin has a price already.

If he's able to live now and tell us more about Bitcoin, i don't know what could be the price today.

 


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Dreamchaser21 on February 06, 2019, 10:46:26 PM
The US government already sent the other guy to prison that tried to make his own gold backed currency.  If Satoshi was public from the start he would of certainly ended up in jail for trying to counter fiat money.  I'm just assuming he lives in the United States since that is what most people believe.
Satoshi is just trying to protect his self from this kind of pressure from the government. It is good for him to be unknown than to face the problem of many insecure people to him. This is probably the best invention he ever had, I know he’s more than safe now as a billionaire.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: stortz on February 06, 2019, 10:55:27 PM
satoshi may remain anonymous
but one thing is for certain, you can rule out anyone claiming to be satoshi while not posting here under his user or validating a message using one of his addresses

also, just becomes someone worked or communicated with satoshi, does not mean that they know his identity

I'd like to point out as well that satoshi is 1 person and not some group like sometimes mentioned.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: mutrang23 on February 06, 2019, 11:41:13 PM
Satoshi is waiting for the peak of Bitcoin before appearing because he wants to look like a god blessing, everyone. Especially if he shows up, do you think terrorist groups will kidnap him to steal all of Bitcoin?


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: BurgerCash on February 07, 2019, 12:14:12 AM
He disappeared when Gavin talked to the CIA about bitcoin - which should give you a hint as to why he would like to stay anonymous. His riches make him a target, too.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: stupid_seb on February 07, 2019, 12:42:12 AM
Death from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis...

... or a Lawsuit in Australia...


I let you google that.






Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Ipwich on February 07, 2019, 04:36:28 AM
He disappeared when Gavin talked to the CIA about bitcoin - which should give you a hint as to why he would like to stay anonymous. His riches make him a target, too.
Most likely, but even if he is not target for a possible illegal offense, his money has significant increase right now and once a person is rich as hell, he will be vulnerable to the bad guys. With his holding now, I think he is the riches in the crypto. ( please correct if my understanding is wrong)


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: tbossmitche on February 07, 2019, 01:58:39 PM
I am of the opinion that the second scenario seems the most likely. The so called Satoshi Nakamoto will most likely have a huge stash of Bitcoin and would not want to call unnecessary attention to himself when he can surely enjoy in riches away from the limelight. If he were to reveal himself, he would most likely be a target for several anticorruption bodies who would hardly believe he came up with the technology for honest reasons. How about the possibility that the mysterious founder of blockchain technology is dead, we just might never know the truth about it all.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Kez1817 on February 07, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
Maybe there are reasons why Satoshi may wish to remain anonymous.Satoshi may simply want bitcoin to make it mark on it's own name and enjoy it's wealth. Also Satoshi wish to remain anonymous for it's own sake and safety. Because if Satoshi is not anonymous,it's most likely become a target of bad person because of it's wealth.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Silberman on February 12, 2019, 10:03:17 PM
Well I can't really tell if the above assumptions are true or false but one thing I know for sure is that with the current happenings in the world, I think it is better to stay anonymous if you are doing something worthwhile, it seems people don't like good revolution.
People have never liked revolutions they have always been forced in some way, look at the revolution that computers brought to the world, there were many people that resisted those chances and instead of adapting they blamed computers for their problems, something like that will happen to bitcoin as well but as long as we keep pushing forward they will have no option but to accept that things will change.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: kissme09 on February 12, 2019, 10:10:14 PM
The US government already sent the other guy to prison that tried to make his own gold backed currency.  If Satoshi was public from the start he would of certainly ended up in jail for trying to counter fiat money.  I'm just assuming he lives in the United States since that is what most people believe.
If he lives in the United States why does he get a nickname in Japanese? I believe he is Japanese and not a US person. Or maybe he is an otaku who likes famous manganese, so he takes the name Satoshi.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: Nolimitz84 on February 13, 2019, 12:04:38 AM
Why such topics are created right now, when bitcoin has some value.Why weren't you interested in Satoshi's anonymity before?Of course nothing can be ruled out,but it seems to me that Satoshi Nakamoto is just a fictional name.Behind the creation of bitcoin is a group of specialists who really work anonymously.I'm sure they don't even know each other in person.But their goals are transparent.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: OuterHeaven_ on February 13, 2019, 01:01:07 AM
I think he likes being unknown points to the fact that he's just trying to live life to the fullest without looking back even though he's recognized by millions creating a currency that could potentially change the future if it already hasn't.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: $anounimus$ on February 13, 2019, 03:07:30 AM
The US government already sent the other guy to prison that tried to make his own gold backed currency.  If Satoshi was public from the start he would of certainly ended up in jail for trying to counter fiat money.  I'm just assuming he lives in the United States since that is what most people believe.
Satoshi is just trying to protect his self from this kind of pressure from the government. It is good for him to be unknown than to face the problem of many insecure people to him. This is probably the best invention he ever had, I know he’s more than safe now as a billionaire.
That's right, if Satoshi Nakamoto gives his identity and many people know who the mastermind behind the founder of Bitcoin, it seems that it will only make the price of bitcoin easy to manipulate and certainly Satoshi Nakamoto's life will not calm down, it is better to remain anonymous and leave nothing who knows who is actually satoshi nakamoto.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: traderethereum on February 13, 2019, 05:45:56 AM
We don't know what his reason to stay anonymous, but for me, if we are connected with internet, I think it's better to stay anonymous because the internet is too dangerous for us to reveal our identity to the public. We don't know what they want with our identity, so I will be as Satoshi to stay anonymous. Besides that, Satoshi works on many projects (I believe that he did something with other things, so he needs to stay anonymous). It is our job to protect ourselves from anything because this is our life.


Title: Re: The reasons for Satoshi's anonymity?
Post by: shesheboy on February 13, 2019, 07:24:04 AM
That's right, if Satoshi Nakamoto gives his identity and many people know who the mastermind behind the founder of Bitcoin, it seems that it will only make the price of bitcoin easy to manipulate and certainly Satoshi Nakamoto's life will not calm down, it is better to remain anonymous and leave nothing who knows who is actually satoshi nakamoto.

bitcoin is already maniputable and it will be the same even if satoshi reveal himself but i agree that his life couldnt be calm down because he might be recieving threats .  

Why such topics are created right now, when bitcoin has some value.Why weren't you interested in Satoshi's anonymity before?

this topic isnt new .  it is already been discussed for a few times before when bitcoin is not yet popular  . its normal because people are also curious about the real identity of satoshi nakamoto  .

but it seems to me that Satoshi Nakamoto is just a fictional name

we dont confirm it yet . some says it is a code name of popular brands today . some says satoshi is a group of people  .