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Title: Overview: Where is trust visible / self-moderation allowed?
Post by: chenille on January 19, 2019, 11:43:02 PM
In my topic about self-moderation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094358.msg49107964#msg49107964) the question occured in which sections it's possible to start such threads (or where it's not possible). I've also added a part about trust and noted where trust ratings (trust scores) are visible when you visit a normal thread in the corresponding section.

I did a bit research and here is my result:

CategoryBoardSub-boardSub-boardself-moderated?trust visible?
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BitcoinBitcoin DiscussionYesNo
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BitcoinBitcoin DiscussionLegalYesNo
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BitcoinBitcoin DiscussionPressYesNo
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BitcoinBitcoin DiscussionMeetupsYesNo
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BitcoinBitcoin DiscussionImportant Announcementsonly posts for admins allowedNo
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BitcoinDevelopment & Technical DiscussionYesNo
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BitcoinDevelopment & Technical DiscussionAlternative clientsYesNo
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BitcoinDevelopment & Technical DiscussionAlternative clientsElectrumYesNo
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BitcoinDevelopment & Technical DiscussionAlternative clientsBitcoin Wallet for AndroidYesNo
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BitcoinDevelopment & Technical DiscussionAlternative clientsBitcoinJYesNo
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BitcoinDevelopment & Technical DiscussionAlternative clientsArmoryYesNo
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BitcoinDevelopment & Technical DiscussionAlternative clientsMyceliumYesNo
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BitcoinMiningYesYes
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BitcoinMiningMining supportYesYes
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BitcoinMiningPoolsYesYes
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BitcoinMiningMining software (miners)YesYes
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BitcoinMiningHardwareYesYes
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BitcoinMiningHardwareGroup buysYesYes
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BitcoinMiningMining speculationYesYes
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BitcoinBitcoin Technical SupportYesNo
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BitcoinProject DevelopmentYesNo
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EconomyEconomicsYesNo
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EconomyEconomicsSpeculationYesNo
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EconomyMarketplaceYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceGoodsYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceGoodsComputer hardwareYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceGoodsDigital GoodsYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceGoodsCollectiblesYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceServicesYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceCurrency exchangeYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceGamblingYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceGamblingGames and roundsYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceGamblingInvestor-based gamesYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceGamblingGambling discussionYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceLendingYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceLendingLong-term offersYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceSecuritiesYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceAuctionsNoYes
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EconomyMarketplaceService AnnouncementsYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceService AnnouncementsMicro EarningsYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceService DiscussionYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceService DiscussionWeb WalletsYesYes
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EconomyMarketplaceService DiscussionExchangesYesYes
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EconomyTrading DiscussionYesYes
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EconomyTrading DiscussionScam AccusationsNoYes
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EconomyTrading DiscussionScam AccusationsInvestigationsNoYes
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EconomyTrading DiscussionReputationYesYes
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OtherMetaNoNo
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OtherMetaNew forum softwareNoNo
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OtherMetaBitcoin wikiNoNo
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OtherPolitics & SocietyYesNo
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OtherBeginners & HelpYesNo
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OtherOff-topicYesNo
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OtherSerious discussionYesNo
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OtherSerious discussionIvory TowerYesNo
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OtherArchivalNoNo
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesAltcoin DiscussionYesYes
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesAnnouncements (Altcoins)YesYes
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesAnnouncements (Altcoins)Tokens (Altcoins)YesYes
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesMining (Altcoins)YesYes
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesMining (Altcoins)Pools (Altcoins)YesYes
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesMarketplace (Altcoins)YesYes
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesMarketplace (Altcoins)Service Announcements (Altcoins)YesYes
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesMarketplace (Altcoins)Service Discussion (Altcoins)YesYes
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesMarketplace (Altcoins)Bounties (Altcoins)YesYes
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Alternate cryptocurrenciesSpeculation (Altcoins)YesYes

Date: January 20, 2019



The changes of the trust system can have some influence about where it's allowed to do self-moderation, especially if there is too much abuse and I've added the date to my table to show when I've noted it. I'm also open to a discussion if we need some changes.


Title: Re: Overview: Where is trust visible / self-moderation allowed?
Post by: S_Therapist on January 20, 2019, 03:21:25 AM
Nicely presented. Appreciated.


Title: Re: Overview: Where is trust visible / self-moderation allowed?
Post by: JusticeForYou on January 20, 2019, 03:42:18 AM
Good Work!

Your listed data could help many new people here to learn in which sections self moderation can be used and also which sections show the trust level below the profile.



I would suggest you to modify the data by adding the local boards and there restrictions of self moderation and about the trust visibility.


Title: Re: Overview: Where is trust visible / self-moderation allowed?
Post by: TryNinja on January 20, 2019, 03:44:35 AM
I think this is somewhat a good list, but I don't think it justifies a big thread like this.

Putting like this is enough and more simple (IMO):

Self-moderated everywhere except Auctions, Scam Accusations, Meta and Archival.
Trust visible on Mining, Marketplace and Alternate cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: Overview: Where is trust visible / self-moderation allowed?
Post by: Ispep on January 20, 2019, 06:15:29 AM
Makes absolute sense this way,would definitely be concise and a long table would actually not have been needed
The OP quite rightly put work into drawing all this out,but to me it's a rather unnecessary one, just as Tryninja points out.
But whichever way,nice work OP, at least you're doing something to educate others in here,and such efforts are highly always appreciated


Title: Re: Overview: Where is trust visible / self-moderation allowed?
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on January 20, 2019, 08:34:11 AM
Nice work mate,  don't forget to inform them that they can now see stats of delete normal and merited post which will help determine if the self-moderate topic is worth commenting on. In theymos words;
In the "This is a self-moderated topic" warning, stats will now be printed about how many posts have been deleted if any posts have been deleted. The stats start now, not the beginning of time, and they are cached for quite some time. If any of the deleted posts had any merit before they were deleted, then this whole stat block will be printed in bold.


As of current we can't see the records but only the stats of the deleted posts but hoping in near future the links will be made available. So we can see the post deleted and know those abusing the privilege of self-moderating their topic and maybe get a ban from using the feature.


Title: Re: Overview: Where is trust visible / self-moderation allowed?
Post by: chenille on January 20, 2019, 06:52:23 PM
I would suggest you to modify the data by adding the local boards and there restrictions of self moderation and about the trust visibility.
At first, I thought about it, but the list would be very long and very much work. In addition, I don't know if it will bring much value in Meta, it's better something to be stickied in the local boards if the have many child boards. If someone from the local boards is planning to work it out, I would link it in my OP.

If someone is interested you can copy my code:
Code:
[table]
[tr][td][b]Category[/b][/td][td][b]Board[/b][/td] [td][b]Sub-board[/b][/td] [td][b]Sub-board[/b][/td] [td][b]self-moderated?[/b][/td] [td][b]trust visible?[/b][/td][/tr]

[tr][td]________________________[/td][td]_______________________________[/td] [td]_____________________________[/td] [td]________________________[/td] [td]__________________________[/td][td]__________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]...[/td][td]...[/td] [td]...[/td] [td]...[/td] [td]Yes/No[/td] [td]Yes/No[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]________________________[/td][td]_______________________________[/td] [td]_____________________________[/td] [td]________________________[/td] [td]__________________________[/td][td]__________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]...[/td][td]...[/td] [td]...[/td] [td]...[/td] [td]Yes/No[/td] [td]Yes/No[/td][/tr]
[/table]

CategoryBoardSub-boardSub-boardself-moderated?trust visible?
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
............Yes/NoYes/No
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
............Yes/NoYes/No



I think this is somewhat a good list, but I don't think it justifies a big thread like this.

Putting like this is enough and more simple (IMO):

Self-moderated everywhere except Auctions, Scam Accusations, Meta and Archival.
Trust visible on Mining, Marketplace and Alternate cryptocurrencies. +Trading discussion
Yes, I noticed also that some parts are very similar, but now we have also a structure of the forum. If someone needs it, he can just copy it for reference.

But I agree, your version is clearer to understand. I just noticed the similarity when the most work was already done.
I've added +Trading discussion to your list for visible trust.



Nice work mate,  don't forget to inform them that they can now see stats of delete normal and merited post which will help determine if the self-moderate topic is worth commenting on. In theymos words;
In the "This is a self-moderated topic" warning, stats will now be printed about how many posts have been deleted if any posts have been deleted. The stats start now, not the beginning of time, and they are cached for quite some time. If any of the deleted posts had any merit before they were deleted, then this whole stat block will be printed in bold.


As of current we can't see the records but only the stats of the deleted posts but hoping in near future the links will be made available. So we can see the post deleted and know those abusing the privilege of self-moderating their topic and maybe get a ban from using the feature.
I like his decision very much. There is a large number of scammers trying to abuse self-moderation for their purpose. If the new function can prevent it, that would be very positive.